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Has already been brought to our attention, Bee, in this thread :

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...h-47992-4.html
# 78 by Lancsdave.

You really should read other threads. :dummy:

As for the bus station, will happen sooner or later.

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20 years will be fine :D

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As the weather is warm we have the door open which leaves us open to all the gossip at the bus stop :D

This has been the topic of conversation since Thrusday when the headline went on the billboard. Not one person has been complimentary about it's proposed new location. The general conscensus is that they want to use the market and not trail the shopping down to the end of Union St.

One older couple were so wound up about it this morning they suggested the council should be shot if they move it down there :D

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Oh the joys of power:D

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Am I missing something here? Surely, it's as important to site a bus station in a town centre just as much as the market, town hall or other facilities. The idea of siting it down the far end of Union St appears jaw-droppingly stupid to my simple way of thinking.

However, the difference between this council and the last one is that we actually have a few councillors who are members on here and who are prepared to comment about local issues. So, Bernard, Ken, Claytonender, pray enlighten us on the logic behind this!

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They should put the bus station on Broadway. Near the shops, near the Market.......it could just rejuvenate the place.
Put the flower baskets and street furniture in Peel Street.
Rip up that cheap and nasty surface that cost god knows how much to put down.......could be a plan.

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As predicted we don't see much of um these days Wyn;)

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The new bus station will look like this;
http://consult.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/por...ap?pointId=343

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There's no image attached to that link.

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Fixed the link G:);).

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Doubtful it will look like that.

That's an old image, when funding was to come from L.C.C., as part of the Pennine Reach scheme.

Which has thankfully been shelved.

The next images will probably be photographs of something fettled together in Lego.

;)

Personally I think the bus centre should be left at it's present site, which is central to the town.

Moving it has no benefits, only drawbacks.

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I can see another petition on the horizon :D

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Can't see owt happening in the near future, regardless of who says what in the media.:rolleyes:

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They could knock down the market, since if you take away the empty stalls, you could fit all the businesses in the space behind the Market Hall, and enlarge the bus station, to where it once was....before the 'improvements'.

What's a 'state-of-the-art' bus station?

Mono rail to Tesco's?

Moving pavements, taking you into the Arndale?

Covered in tin-foil?

An artist in residence, crocheting gonks, whilst announcing that the Huncoat bus is leaving from terminal four?

Personally I couldn't give two hoots what the bus station looks like, as long as it's clear where you have to queue, and the buses run on time.

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I think they mean a bus station which has those electronic boards which tell you when the next bus is going to arrive. Technology, it is prone to go wrong, fail...etc. The Card readers on Rossendale buses has been out of order for something in the region of a month now....supposed to be awaiting new software. Where is it coming from....China? (probably is....come to think of it)
I'm with you G. I want a bus station that is accessible and buses that run on time.

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Oh not another bloody petition:D

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Seemed to work quite well when I was a lad, thus the saying will meet thi ont deck tuneet:D

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when you were a lad,5 of the bus stops were on Melbourne Street, then they built bloody eastgate, things worked quite well up to "Progress":rolleyes:

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Progress....it doesn't mean improvement...it just means change, and not usually for the better.

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I was actually saying a similar thing to Mick when he was dossing in the shop this morning. They could move the market slightly, or even on to Broadway ( is that being retro ? :) ), I'm sure they could turn the existing Bus Station in to a more viable one. Might be better if it was actually used by buses instead of cars which blatantly ignore the No Entry signs

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Optimist ;)

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What about putting in front of the Town Hall?

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20 years wasn't a forecast, it was a request :D

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I disagree G, the current station is a danger to the public.

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do you actually go round there much ? The biggest danger to the public in that area is not the buses but the Mouldy Grange Maniacs

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as a bus station needs to be sited in a town center, please enlighten us all, as to why it is more dangerous were it is, than anywhere else central?:rolleyes:

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The funny thing is we see a lot of ambulances called to Peel St, we have often said one of them should be stationed there. As yet we have not seen an accident with a bus, it's always somebody falling over on the uneven pavements. I'm guessing they have flat pavements at the bottom of Union St so it's a lot safer :D

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Once the council get involved it will be a balls up no matter where they put it:rolleyes:;) Waste of money to resite it why not improve the existing site.Many moons ago i worked on taking down the old shelters , thought there would be a major refurb but all they basically did was replace the old stands with new ones:confused:

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I would guess they won't get funding unless they put it where LCC say, regardless of public opinion, and they will employ an outside consultant who has never been to accrington but is an expert on how we all think

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Yep that sounds about right,as with the market and town centre:rolleyes:

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Can anyone give valid reasons why the bus station should be re-sited?

Is the proposed site much larger? It doesn't look it.

Why can't the present bus station be refurbished, to state-of-the-art standards, if funds are miraculously available?

As for danger, I sometimes struggle walking, but slapped down Union Street to Lily Mae's recently, and it was very dangerous crossing the road down there, with cars whizzing round the roundabout.

Lily Mae's was lovely, but it won't be a regular haunt, being too much of a struggle getting there, and the distance from the market, and the usual town centre places I shop in.

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Cosmetically it would be good to have a new bus station. Would the money be well spent on building a new one ? Personally I think the millions it will cost would be better spent on revamping the town centre and the current site. Yes I'm biased but I really can't see how a new bus station built elsewhere would benefit the town. Mind you what do I know, I only have a business in the town and live here :D

Out of curioisty I wonder what Nelsons new 'interchange' has done for them, from what I've been told it hasn't made a jot of difference to the town

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Would a new bus station improve business no matter where it is?
Do people not shop in Accrington because the bus station is pants?
There are not many towns with free parking, do you think that helps?

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If they ever do resite the bus station, I can see taxi ranks taking their places on the Peel St site, & people will use taxis, rather than hike all the way down to the bottom of Union St, which to me is the daftest place possible for a bus station not just for accessability, but lack of space, that area isn't big enough for a decent car park, never mind a bus station. As for L.C.C., and their so called threat about funding if we don't have it their way, they haven't got the funding yet, call their bluff, they might have 2nd thoughts if they see their grand schemes might get scotched.
It would be easier to use the railway system, if we had a decent rail system, and not much further than Union St.
Bring back the Trams.
Retlaw

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1. Not convinced it would make any difference.

2. As somebody who doesn't use buses it's hard for me to answer. I can't for the life in me think that if I did use buses, the state of the bus station would put me off shopping anywhere unless it was some sort of no go area.

3. I think free parking does help, however I also think if a town is worth coming to shop in then even a small charge wouldn't put them off.

Wonder if we get more people by train because we have a shiny new station building ?

The town centre is general needs brightening up including the bus station. Unfortunatley the biggest blight on the town centre is the people that occupy it. I would rather see money spent re-locatiing the biggest blight and more policing to uphold an alchohol, drug and beggar ban

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thats bang on, but not too-sure about re-locating, to me thats just shifting the problem, whereas a machine gun would solve it completely. still waiting fer Bee to enlighten us also.

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Something else which local councillors seem very reluctant to comment on. Funny how they're falling over themselves to come on here and tell us when they've been successful in getting travellers moved on, but when it comes to more awkward problems like this, there's a deafening silence!

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I think if you can get off the bus and be right where the shops are, it is an advantage...because remember whatever you have bought has to be carried back to where you catch the bus...if you have to walk too far then you won't buy.
I know when we go out and about on the buses, we will sometimes avoid a purchase that is going to be either too heavy or too bulky when we have to walk a good way to get the bus.....so it is of benefit to have the buses centrally.

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That is well correct, just commented on yer blog about a similar thing.

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The bus station was reviewed a few years ago. Peel street was rejected by bus operators and engineers which led to a silly debate where the issue was lost. The previous Council scrapping the Public Transport Forum so a debate could be stopped.

It all flared at one Town Centre Board when the bus operators walked out citing a Council that would not listen or discuss.

My view then was to relocate along Charlie Browns stretch remodelling the derelict and old buildings. It was considered and rejected, reasons included too far away from Market/ broadway, uphill, site acquisition, not near the train station. The advantages included more than ample bays. Access to all arterial roads.

Any progress needs to be discussed and I believe the new Council has brought back the Transport Forum to discuss the merits properly with all interested parties in public.

IIRC Peel Street can only accommodate 11 stops? with other stops on Bank Street and Infant street with only 2 layover bays.

The kwick save car park has 14 bays and 4 layover bays. Still not enough of either. The ideal is 17 -20 bays and 5 or 6 layover bays IIRC. In other words like Peel Street too small. If I have the numbers wrong I am sorry but it is this is one issue.

The previous council entered a £50,000 art competition for Peel Street. I have heard suggestions that it will be turned into town centre carparking with anview that on market days any extra stalls (unlikely at mo) would occupy the space.

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The Market is dismal.......put the stalls inside the market hall and free up the space for a bus station.......or put the Market on Broadway and have the current market and the front of the Market hall for the bus station.
I am sure there must be better ways to deal with the problem than have the bus station all the way down Union Street....this will take trade further away from the town centre...although Tesco would probably like this better.

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So how many stops/bays can the Charlie Browns stretch accomodate? with possibly utilizing Infant Street?

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Seems a bit odd to me. I can stand outside my shop door at certain times during the day and not see 1 single bus waiting on Peel St. Where is the demand for all these bays and who is going to run the services :confused:

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Sod wasting dosh on idiot consultants, Margaret P, has just give yehs the answer fer nowt.;)

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I'm sure there will be someone on here in a minute Cashy who will tell me why this is a non starter.......but it would make sense to me(what the hell do I know?)

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from someone who uses the buses 99% of the time .. ok if i can sweet talk my brother or sisters to take me shopping i will do ... but most of the time im on the bus ... and i get off the bus .. kiosk for my fags, nosy into wilkies round the market for my sweeties and sometimes food and other stuff, wander over to M&S and the arndale ... and then sometimes have wander up peel street .. sometimes i cant be bothered to hike it up to tesco or over to morrisons as it is now .. due to i cant carry heavy loads of shopping .. so to me a bus station is better to be in the centre of town near the shops/market ... if they move it i can see me going the other way .. to rawtenstall .. and accy losing out ...

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Pleased can I have a brownie point too ? I touched on a similar idea in post #21, being a man of course I cut my words down to the minimum :D

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Jen, anyone with half a brain can work out that the bus station needs to be near the shopping centre to be effective. The ones who don't recognise this need are the ones who never travel by bus to do their shopping.

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Nah jen Accy gains if yeh sod off oer the "Rocker":D

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I've just changed my vote, move it to Union st :p

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Of course you can...it was a similar idea.......great minds think alike!
And I put something similar in post number 7

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Another problem i see that is connected to this issue is the buses themselves, when you go abroad to say,Spain the bus you travel on is clean air conditioned and is of the twenty first century not something that has Noah was ere written on the back of its seats.The laws on taxis are quite stringent if badly enforced ,but buses seem to be getting older and there seem to be more wrecks riding about, a new bus station would be a good thing if the vehicles using it didnt look as though they belonged in a museum and i think that would encourage more people to use the public transport system.

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couldn't think what the buses reminded me of, cheers walkinman, its like those in Malta.:D

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not now cashy ....:D:D:D

BBC News - Malta's colourful vintage buses bow out

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ok i aint been fer 20 yrs or so, but whilst rickety n dropping to bits, they were always spotless, can remember one i was on breaking down on a big hill/mountain n driver,shifting us from our seats n getting his tools out from underneath, 10 mins later the bus was running again. loved it n the maltezers.:D

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The Maltese ones are all privatly owned, like taxi's over here. Perhaps Max's taxi's are up to something...:D:D:D Apparantly up to the change in Malta, if it's yellow runs and you get a licence you are a one man bus company.:D

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Peel Street bus station is well located (for shops etc) but at times chaotic, sometimes buses have to double park when they stop in the stand sometimes in the middle of the road, and the road surface is terrible and can be hard to cross at times.

I would have liked to have seen a rail bus interchange like at Nelson. It woudn't have been that hard to do, where Tesco is, utilise one of the levels of the carpark into a bus station

Personally I would back a return of the tram. And extend the network through Hyndburn.

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I live in Rishton and travel by bus when I go out. I use a walking stick to get around, as I am unsteady on my feet. I can get to Blackburn easier than I can get to Accrington, as the buses are more frequent and reliable, and actually manage a lunchtime service. Have you tried catching a bus from Rishton to Accrington at lunchtime? The number 2 runs at 11.30 then nothing until 13.30 and the 241 hospital bus seems to make up its own timetable. They are my only two options, unless I get the 152 to the Hare and Hounds, then another bus to Accrington from there.

Going to Blackburn gives me a direct bus every half hour (approximately) with a reasonably straightforward journey and easy access to the Mall, Morrisons, etc. It's just a short walk to the bus stop and onto the 152 home.

The buses to Blackburn are usually easily accessible with my stick, the ones to Accrington are generally less accessible - particularly with the number 2 bus. The driver is patient and friendly, but the bus is old and in need of replacement, IMHO.

If I get to Accrington, then I find that lots of the shops are closed, and some of the streets are quite difficult to walk down, as my stick can hamper my progress. I am not particularly concerned as to the location of any proposed bus station site, as I am about the accessibility, and frequency of the buses. A state of the art bus station is of little use if the buses don't go my way, and I can't get in and out of the station, or on and off the buses, due to lack of access.

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Talking to some foreigners recently about this. Actually from Helmshore, and not regular visitors to Accrington.

They said the market hadn't been as good, or as vibrant, as when it was temporarily sited on Broadway, whilst they built Toy Town/Wilkinson's.

The market at the side of the Market Hall should be shifted, Thus freeing up any number of bays for buses. Just as it used to be.

God forbid, if the market once again thrives, doubtful though that is, after all the meddling 'improvements', then any extra stalls could be accommodated quite easily on Broadway.

Another bonus being that there would be less room for any (expensive) flash mob dancers to strut their feeble thing.

:rolleyes:

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Here is a watercolour painting of the old market hall showing the bus stands
it was done by the late Tony Butterworth a very close friend of mine who gave me this pic just before he died.
(he also did all the art work inside the now defunct sacred hearts church)

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Brilliant painting/photo!!! Thanks for sharing Mick

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The painting looks a lot better than the photo which is in a glass frame on the wall

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Um this post will be number 64 on this issue yet the only comment from the local politicos has come from the councils representative in London, if it had been last year at this time Mossy would probably have had 15 to 20 post on the subject, ya can say out ya want in opposition, mind ya I did say it would happen

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I have only been to Nelson a couple of times and I can't say I was impressed(couldn't have been or I would go more often)........and maybe their rail station is more central(I didn't even know they had one!)......but to build a rail/bus interchange would shift transport and the town centre even further away. (what I mean by that is transport would be further away and the town centre would probably shift in that direction...might take a decade or two)
A bad idea for town centre shops.......it is uphill too, so a bad idea for the elderly, the disabled and the mums with prams and toddlers.
The only concern that would benefit would be the Tesco Extra store.......which would please them no end I reckon.

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Nelson has a great rail/bus interchange which opened on 8 Dec 2008.

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sod nelson,please enlighten us about yer comment Post25, or are yeh avoiding the issue?:rolleyes:

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Yeah, because in or out of power, we've had sooooooo many Tory councillors posting on here.

Cllr. Moss might be building sandcastles with his wife at the moment. Enjoying their first holiday together for years.

;)

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You can't polish a turd.

I was mainly brought up in Brierfield but spent the majority of my adult life living in Nelson. It used to be a good place, very much like Accrington.
The new interchange doesn't make a jot of difference to the prosperity of the town, a point I made earlier about spending millions on a great big white elephant when the money could be better used.

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Ya but he's not the only Labour Councillor who was very vociferous on here when it suited them:rolleyes:

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so many times I have wanted to use that phrase, but have stopped myself.......feeling that it would be censored out...but it so true of so many situations.

John, Ken may have other fish to fry at the moment.
He has been on a lot less recently...that must mean he is either busy working for the residents of Rishton, or he has been advised to be careful what he says on a public forum.
We cannot castigate him without being party to the facts....or it may be as G says he is away having some well deserved R&R.

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Lovely picture Mick....aah, that takes me back!

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Quite right Margaret when your carrying the can instead of filling it you have to be a little more careful what you say on public forums ;)

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As opposed to Peter, Judith, and Nick.

Three Conservative councillors who made one or two posts, and who quickly scarpered, if our questions became too difficult for them to answer.

I'm sure Cllr. Moss will happily share his opinions, as he is want to do, just as soon as he's back from his jollies.

;)

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I have every confidence too. (I do hope Mancie reads this, and realises that Councillor Moss flies the red banner. Yes Mancie, it is called a balanced opinion......you can do that when you are neutral, but I guess you already know that, since you profess to be neutral too)

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I wouldn't worry, "Red Ken" will be along shortly no doubt as he's always struck me as being a straight up guy. Not likely to shy away from difficult subjects unlike some, when he's got opinions he doesn't hide them away he quite openly airs them.

I'd even go as far as saying I'd happily sit & have a pint with the fella & there ain't many politicians I'd say that about ;)

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Me too, as long as it was strong sweet tea. :)

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Would agree, he seems a regular sort of bloke and I look forward to hearing his views on the bus station and on other problems like the high number of pan handlers and other lowlifers in the town centre. However, he's certainly no red flag flyer and some of his views on political correctness, immigration, the EU, law and order etc must make regular leftwing socialists like some councillors on this forum tut with disapproval!

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Now if only we can arrange this for a match day at home, a couple of scoops & a visit to the Stanley, sure'n we'd put the world to rights ! :D

If sensible people sit down together & chat over Beers the World's a better place.

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I have invited him in the past (as I have around 50% of the Accyweb membership ;) ) but he doesn't seem interested in footy. Perhaps, he might come along with one of his colleagues like Graham and Bernard who are both regulars. :)

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I've made a few brews for Ken, and as you'd expect, he's great company.

Mind you, away from the political arena, so's Peter Britcliffe.

The only Accy Web member I wouldn't want to chat to is His Holiness, Pope Kevin Logan I.

He'd get a frothy coffee.

:s_spit:

:D

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Oh that so made me laugh Gary. There was me thinking you liked Kev the Rev( :D)

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:confused: Left wing and socialist :confused:

Who are they ?

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Bernard and Claytonender perhaps?

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The comment referencing Chavs. I get your point that it affects some discerning shoppers. What would you do though. Put gates up with fashion police on them?

I am glad the Transport forum is up and running then there can be a full and informed debate on the subject.

Trams. Looked at back in 2003. Another totally wasteful idea the Council invested in as the glossy brochures (East Lancs Economic Partnership) turned in to something no private company or public body would touch on costs to revenue grounds.

It was a metro, then a metro on railway lines, then a guided bus way then Pennine Reach. I'd like to know the cost of it all.

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I'm impressed with that idea, what a great tourist attraction :D

Actually it's not the way they dress thats the issue, it's the way they behave. Alchohol banning orders and somebody to uphold it would be a good start ;)

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fashion is neither here nor there, don't matter, drunks/alkies sat on benches in front of market hall, do matter, nobody seems to give a stuff in authority its a permanent fixture. that does put folk right off, have seen also heard many comments about this, think the local plod have forgot the town center exists.

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Don't think anyone's mentioned chavs in this particular thread? Chavs are a fact of life in most towns these days.

However there do seem to be a very high number of beggars and winos hanging round the town centre these days. Far more than there used to be.

Can the council not get together with the police to make Accrington a less welcoming place for these types? Introduce no-alcohol zones in the town centre and start taking steps against people who are trying to cadge money off members of the public going about their business?

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i was stopped 3 times last week fer money or fags, perhaps some don't want to upset saint Dorothy?:rolleyes:

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I think they should have a designated place to sit in their drunken stupors and abuse people. Westminster would be an ideal place, when it's on their doorsteps they might realise what we 'commoners' have to put up with

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Can't say there were any beggars years ago in Accy and was never any abuse.. but there were plenty of people drinking on the Broadway and deck on a Saturday afternoon (some members involved) :rolleyes:ll. I would'nt say they were alckies or winos but perhaps it's gone to far... or just that the lads who drank there in the 70's have got abit touchy in thier older years:D

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name these members?,i can have a pop at them also. though can remember not getting accosted fer dosh n fags back then as i passed. perhaps i look a soft touch these days.:D

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Well now.. not the sort to bandy any names about but I find it hard to believe that some members on here did not partake in a swift gobfull of cider outside Wollies on Broadway and maybe shared a can on the Deck early 70's ;) .. if not then I retract my accusations,:D

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always did my drinking in boozers from 14 yr old anyway,before that behind garages, not town center.was wed early 70s, so slowing down a bit, becoming a good boy.:D

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Not guilty, your honour. My Deck-sitting days were '66-'72 and any drinking money I had was spent in the Derby/Block/Pickwick. Anyway, there was always the chance that my Mum might walk past while she was out shopping and the thought of a tongue-lashing in front of the likes of Isaac and Florrie for spending my afternoons boozing was too embarrassing to think about! :D

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Ok .. I admit no members of Accyweb even sipped a drink on the broadway or deck in the late 70's..but I know I was there.:D

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they perhaps were young uns then mancie? but my point is i was never accosted by em fer fags n dosh, unlike these ******* now.;)

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Like I say never any beggars.. but to be honest when it comes to drinking on broadway and the deck it's nothing new.. was hapenning in the 70's and pretty heavy when the pubs shut from 3-5.. what is the difference now?

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Quite right.

It's nothing to do with fashion, chavs, or not having a great deal of money.

Most folks round here have never exactly been rolling in it.

It's the fact that Accrington has more than it's fair share of scum compared to similar sized towns, because every smack head, and alchy, can pop up to the free cash point machine at Maunday Model Village, spin some old yarn, hey presto, your next free fix.

Anyone who doesn't see this, is either totatally out of touch, or chooses not to see it.

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Thank you ....