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I'm a teacher, just wondered what peoples views on them were? Too many holidays? finish too early? Should be happy they have a job and not whinge about pensions???

What do we reckon?

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Oh dear that's aright can of worms that one, this was the most recent thread concerning teachers :-

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...eachers+strike

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thanks I'll give it a read, are there any other teachers here, I for one didn't strike with the pensions thing but hey ho... Thanks for the link i'll read some of the opinions.

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People teach because they weren't able to make a success in the world outside of academia.

Those than can, do.

Those that can't, teach.

:D

(I'm a professor, by the way.)

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What do you teach, if it's not too nosey a question?

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I'll be honest I do it for the early finishes and the ridiculous holidays... (thats a joke in case anyone from work comes on here)

I agree, I'm never going to make a perpetual motion machine or perfect nuclear fusion but I can do a damn good job of telling other people about it.

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I'm a Science teacher, I moved here 2 years ago with my fiance, I'm trying to get to know a few people on here and get to know the area a bit better.

How about your good self? you mentioned your a professor, whats your field?

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Crochet, as an art form.


:D

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I agree you are good at professing things -but please don't start going Wilde on us....:rolleyes:

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When I was at school, ( maybe even the one you now work at in it's previous existence :) ) I did have thoughts of becoming a teacher. On reflection I'm glad I didn't in this day and age, I have enough of a job putting up with the cockiness of my own without another 1,000 or so to send me nuts :D

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Don't believe a word Garinda says!;):)

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I'm only teasing.

Good teachers change lives.

Bad teachers ruin 'em.

I have great respect for those who can inspire their students to achieve their full potential.

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I think you're right to be glad -I've been teaching English as a foreign language for 20-odd years and i have come to the conclusion that i prefer teaching adults as a rule and, at a push, older teenagers as they start to become a bit more interesting as human beings....:D

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It is a very rewarding job, the best day being last thursday when the pupils get their results. Science is a great subject aswell, the pupils love blowing things up... It gets them engaged in the subject

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I know you are m'dear!!;)

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I tried blowing things up, all I got was the Scuffers banging on the door. :o

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go be a Science teacher, you can blow stuff up every day, I love it!!!

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x

Should read 'Do believe every word Garinda says.'

Must try harder.

0/1

:D

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Science?

The best subject anyone can have a grounding in, without a decent science teacher I probably wouldn't have had such a love of electronics that I have now.

Look at that one quick dismissal from me, a few sharp words from you and your first thread is up to post #16 already, all you needed was a boost!
:D

O.K. it was #16 last time I looked.

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I believe words have been equally sharp Less but we can agree to disagree if you wish

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I'd rather not disagree with anything I've said.
;)

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Didn't fancy all that classroom stuff so I joined the Army instead (all in the past now) but hell they let me loose with all kinds of stuff that blew things up & went bang, ah, happy days ! :D

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Sounds like fun... Not sure I could hack all the death that could happen in the army...

There are lots of hoops that need to be jumped through but like someone posted earlier its incredibly rewarding to be able to change young peoples lives

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That's my worst result ever -i do like a severe teacher though -you don't do corporal punishment do you by any chance G? I never ever got spanked at school......;):o:D

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No thats an unfortunate hoop we're not allowed to jump through

(not really pupils do not deserve to be hit or "spanked" at any point)

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I'd rather not either - don't want to risk being savaged!:D
(My comments are all in a good cause -how my replies is that already on this thread?);)

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Yes.

I'll happily administer a sound, virtual whuppin'.

Though be warned.

I don't know when to stop.

http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/61/114161/1/...W.whipping.gif



:rolleyes::D

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Thanks Garinda , I thoroughly enjoyed that....you can stop now though!:eek:

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Once again the subject of spanking kills a thread...

I could have predicted that from the start

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It isn't dead just getting a little heat rash!

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Then you might find some interest in this thread...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ass-11834.html

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Yes but it's started a lot more!

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I could have predicted you'd post that link...

i'll stop

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No staying power that's your trouble, ever considered being a teacher for a living?
The hours aren't great you don't have time to recover from driving to work before you have to head for home again but what the hey, it's not like you have to do anything in between, according to the papers they make the exams easier each year to compensate for your lack of interest.

:eek:

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thats an interesting point of view... ive read it and i'll ignore it.

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First sensible post tonight.

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You seem too intelligent to be a teacher. What went wrong?

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And those who can't teach, teach others how to teach.;)

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That is a very good explanation for our current low standards.

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'Students will not be allowed to enter teacher training in England if they fail basic numeracy and literacy tests three times, under tougher rules to raise teaching standards.'

'At present students are allowed to take unlimited re-sits while they train.'

'The Department for Education said one in 10 trainees takes the numeracy test more than three times, while the figure is one in 14 for the literacy test.'

BBC News - Literacy and numeracy tests toughened for new teachers

'The National Union of Teachers said it considered the tests "superfluous".'

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Hey ... me too (shouldn't there be two "f"s and one "s" in proffesor:confused:) ... and I got me more letters after my name than I have in it ... plus the two that go in front of it.:alright:

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No, a Professor of Crochet Art, still has one 'f', and a double 's', even t'otherside of the pond.

A place not unknown to change spellings, to make them easier, Your Honor.

Whoops...Your Honour.

professor - definition. American English definition of professor by Macmillan Dictionary

http://www.htmlforums.com/images/smilies/Judge.gif

:D

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Ok ... but I'm still having problems with "desert" and "dessert":confused: Which one do you eat, and which one do you invade?;) Maybe the new teacher on the block can help out ...

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I'm with Nancy Mitford on this one.

Dessert is very non-U.

Frenchifed, and frou-frou. Like serviette.

I have pudding.

Lots of them.

http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/manger/foretnoire.gif

:D

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Then I burp into my napkin.

:alright:

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My own spelling's atrocious, by the way.

I think it's because I read quite fast.

Details like spelling become a blur.

I have to spell-check spell-check.

:D

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well back in the day,i had some very good teachers mostly, just a couple of complete turds.

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Those literacy and numeracy tests aren't too challenging i'll be honest, I passed them first time up in Lancaster (even with my spelling). Spelling wise, I'm not and English teacher as many people have already pointed out to me.

In terms of teachers being "complete turds" then yes like any job theres always people you have worked with and do work with who are just not cut out to do the job.

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Well you never have before so why break an habit of a lifetime:D

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Hey thats my department lay off:D

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Ho sheesh there was me think a teacher with a sense of humour who can help me with my malapropisms, then you tell me your English is crap:eek: :eek:just can't get the staff these days:D

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well i can't help yeh, never heard of em.:eek:

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Ask Wyn he'll tell ya:D

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Sorry, I don't need to spell too well in Science I just draw pictures and point...

:)

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Um should have been a teacher, I'd have gone a long way:rolleyes:

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Yes ... but can you chew gum at the same time.

The only marketable skills I picked up in god-knows-how-many years at university were bar tending and cab driving:alright:

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Dick Sheridan can help you with the malapropisms ... or better still, Yogi Berra;)

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Quite a few of my old school classmates became teachers.
We have class reunions and the ones who have had teaching careers can be identified by the way they conduct conversations.
...They speak loud enough for the 'ones at the back' to hear, and announce facts rather than ask questions which would invite discussion.

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Ah, but you had to work your way through because the grant didn't really cover such luxuries as food and clothing.
It must be difficult to get a barman or taxi driver in University towns now that they borrow their way through. :)

Just hang on though, they are going to spend 30 years paying off that loan, when are they going to have any money to invest in pensions so that some future government can steal it away?
:confused:

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Attrocious you did that on purpous didn't you G, Just to put me to the test.:D
you are such a tease...

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Surely you mean "belch" into your "face towel" ...:rolleyes: xx

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Whoops :D
Atrocious | Define Atrocious at Dictionary.com

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Phew. Just checked, my atrocious was right.

Going to apply to teach spelling to teachers who teach English as a second language.

:D

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purpose ;)

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Purpose.

;)

:D

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I'm off.

Before my look breaks.

:D

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No wonder there's a wailing and gnashing of teeth when students miss out on a University place:rolleyes::D

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Should that be:-

Before my look brakes.

:)

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You win the prize!;)

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Is it a buck?

pairhappen it's a dickshunerry?

:cool:

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We never really answered Roadhousezamora's questions in the opening post.

My answers are 'mainly poor', 'yes', 'yes', 'yes' and 'not a lot'.

No teachers or ex teachers/academics are allowed to express an opinion.They're biased and their opinion doesn't matter.

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Especially if they're from our colonies-colonials aren't allowed opinions anyway.

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The bloke I see down at the Job centre originates from the colonies, I'm sick of them coming over here trying to find me work!
;)

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Urban Dictionary: attrocious

Languages are ever evolving - even Shakespeare allowed himself a little leeway in the spelling stakes or should that be mis-stakes?:rolleyes:

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Marroni ;)

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Teachers are all saints.
You can never have too many holidays.
The end of the working day can never come too soon.
These days probably yes - I don't know anybody who doesn't.:(

You could always apply for a teaching job in Dubai - great pay apparently, i know a couple of teachers who've just moved out there with their family, they're mid-40's and reckon they can retire in 5 yrs time -oh, and they get a free private education for their kids there too at an International school!

Downside - local laws are a bit different to here - don't even think of holding your wife's hand in public!;)

(NB the correct use of there, their and they're all in one sentence - Miss Bailey would be proud of me!):)

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Spoken like a true teacher- which I'm sure you said you were! Teaching English in Italy?
If so-1. Your opinion isn't allowed.
2. If you ARE an English teacher, I would hope you CAN use there,their and they're correctly. Otherwise heaven help the Italians.
If you're not a teacher then I apologise. However your vote still doesn't count because you didn't agree with me!

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I posted the thread cos I get grief off some people I know about basically not doing any work and how much of an easy lark teaching is. I disagree with this but yeah its probably not right to ask teachers if they get enough holidays or not...

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Question for teachers.

Concerning the annual increase of students' qualifications, and grades.

Have standards of education risen, or have examinations become easier, over the last thirty or so years?

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On second thought, after seeing how many trainee teachers have to retake the numeracy/literacy tests, whilst training, perhaps they aren't qualified to answer this.

The question is therefore opened up to everyone.

:rolleyes::D

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They have standards ??? :eek:

My mate asked if I'd help his youngest with some of her school work a while back, as he's not that academical himself & he's fine with it, after looking at a few odds & ends I couldn't see any consistency with the marking. The teacher would pick up some errors, yet in the same paragraph there were other glaring mistakes which went unchallenged. I asked about why they'd not been pointed out & corrected, "Oh, miss so&so, isn't bothered by that !" Come again ?

So the nippers in this class are heading out into the wider World, already at a disadvantage due to the lack of correction (ability ?) of teaching staff & the longer it goes on the more ingrained the mistakes become & it's then harder for the child to rectify their ways. :(

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It's astonishing, isn't it, how Darwins Theory of Evolution has gone into overdrive over the last 30 years? The exam results show that our teenagers brainpower, mental capacity and ability to learn have increased more in the last 30 years than they did in the last 100,000.
Yet the universities and employers still complain that far too many of them can't read,write or do maths properly. How can that be?
It's not fair to our children to encourage them to think they are academically gifted far above the reality when gifts they genuinely have are ignored.
Our education system, from the teachers up to the govermnent are guilty of deception on a massive scale.

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I've posted before that I think they've become easier.

Evidenced by doing both an O-level, then a G.C.S.E. in mathematics, separated by a twenty odd year gap.

I firmly believe that a pass in the old eleven-plus test equates to a lower class degree award today.

:rolleyes:

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Equal opportunities again.

Starts at sports day, with 'everyone's a winner'.

Ends when final examinations are awarded, and suprise, everyone's a genius.

:rolleyes:

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An interesting question. I haven't been involved in the public school system ... ("public school" doesn't mean what it does in the UK ... it refers to the government funded elementary, junior high, and high schools, grades kindergarten to 12) ... for several years now, but I do have some knowledge of the kind of student who is now arriving at university. Once again (and I know I have a bug up my ass about it), political correctness seems to be a culprit in the deterioration of standards of the kids who enter university. Kids are passed on from one grade to the next even if they don't pass. One doesn't want to hurt their feelings by making them feel inadequate ... making examinations easier is one way that the system deals with failure. So, what do we get in first year university? Semi-literates who will be allowed to struggle through university, and end up with a meaningless **** - poor degree.

Several years ago, when I allowed myself to be talked into teaching English 110 (entry level ... Beowulf to Virginia Woolfe) the irate parent of a failing idiot airhead bimbo (now that's a little politically incorrect) phoned me and told me that her daughter had to pass because she (the mother) had forked over thousands of dollars so that her daughter could go to university. I politely informed her that if her daughter wished to pass the course, she might try attending classes, doing the required assignments, and passing the mid-term exams. Neither mother nor daughter got the point.

Failure is always an option. Ironically, it is what makes us successful as a species ... failure and taking risks is what we are about. It's how we learn. Chasing a mammoth off the edge of a cliff is no doubt risky; but it sure beats the hell out of starving to extinction. Let's face the bitter truth; some folks are just not cut out for the academic route. Doesn't mean that they don't have opportunities: they could have a good life as a teacher or a tory politician.:rolleyes:;)

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I'm only starting my 5th year of teaching so can't comment brilliantly on the situation but from my experience there seems to be more pressure on teachers from the leadership teams at schools. Schools are desperate to do well in the league tables as well producing a score over 1000 for their value added. This has in my opinion forced teachers to focus completely on making sure the pupils pass the exam and to ignore what the teacher feels may benefit said pupil in the real world. This may also explain universities and employers complaining of pupils who are unable to think for themselves. Pupils are trained to pass exams and nothing more.

I will also say that the introduction of modular exams with sections of multiple choice answers makes it easy for me as a teacher to guarantee marks for my pupils along with coursework which is left to the classroom teachers to oversee, mark and submit.

I'm not sure what the emphasis was 30 years ago, if others could let me know i'd be interested to listen.

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See what you've done, Roadhouse. You've got us all worked up and we're all going to have to have an extra pill(or whatever our fancy).

A score of over 1000 for VALUE ADDED? You mean we can sell these kids? Is that £'s or euros?Dollars would be better, please. This is where it goes wrong, you say that as if it was part of the true purpose of education. You also are now a product of the system.(Not meant in a rude way).
30 years ago it was 'Those who can do, those who can't quickly and forcefully get told so and moved on'.Those who only JUST could(like me) were pushed, pursued,concentrated on to do their best and NOTHING was done to delude them or make it all seem easy.

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Hey, Eric, you're not bad for a colonial(i.e. I think you agree with me).
Your post' coming from an (ex?)academic, has more weight than that of we non-academics. But surely you're not saying even Canada has gone down the same road we have? I thought Canadians were realists with their feet firmly on the ground?

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I was recently asked to speak to an old lecturer's current students.

She said teaching now was awfully depressing, and she was glad to be retiring this year.

I was told that compared to when she taught me, and was able to nurture creativity and free thinking, her hands were tied by red tape and bureauracy.

It all seemed very sad.

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Well, here we go: "leadership teams":confused:, "league tables", "modular exams", "emphasis" ... just a bunch of jargon:mad: As Hamlet says: "Words, words, words." I realize that a lot of us olde fartes are into the ubi sunt thing, yearning for the golden years that probably weren't all that golden; but the education system we went through did its job ok. All you old Accy Grammar lads remember "Ben" Johnson, "Sam" Wignall, "Pug" Portno, "Jock" Bentley ... old fashioned doesn't come close to describing them. And they were more than a tad politically incorrect. But look what came out of that bastion of beatings and clips round the ear ... was poor John Wallwork terrified into failure? Did "Jock" Bentley brutally destroy John Virtue's creativity.:eek: We knew that it was up to us to succeed or fail. We were given both opportunities. I could have done a lot better at school. But I was, and still am, lazy. I like to take the easy route. I know that, and I knew it then. I didn't blame E. J. "Gobbin" Owen for my poor showing in Algebra ... I blame myself, took resposibility for my actions, or inaction.

But even though I consider much of my life to be a catalogue of missed and wasted opportunity, I still managed to struggle through to be Dr. Eric, B.Ed, B.A. (Hons., magnis cum honoribus), (Sask.), M.A., Ph.D (Queen's), Bar Tender, Cab Driver.:dancedog:

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It's been commented on before, how well educated more elderly people are.

Despite leaving school at fourteen, or younger, if you go back to our grandparents' generation.

Suggesting perhaps, that a more rounded academic education was successfully packed in to a shorter time frame.

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Now you've spoilt it, showing off like a colonial! Cab driver indeed.
Wouldnt mind being a bar tender, though.
I can run a longer list than that, but it wasn't easy and no-one ever tried to kid me it would be.
I didn't grow up thinking my genius hadn't been recognised or appreciated like some of the young ones are doing-that's unfair to them.

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You were sat in a class & were taught, given the relevant information to use & take on board, it was then down to the individual to assimilate & draw the required information to pass or fail any tests that were set.

Discipline was instilled & used as required by means available & allowed to the teaching staff with the backing of the parents. Disruption & insolence weren't tolerated or accepted, rules were adhered to or the consequences followed & all knew where they stood.

We had winners & losers, those that worked hard usually achieved those who didn't failed, that was quite simply the way life was, if you didn't want to end up on some factory/workshop floor doing low paid labour intensive work, then you bucked your ideas up & knuckled down, it really was that simple. To strive to achieve had a purpose & rewards, but today it appears immaterial, as the state will support you so why make an effort ?

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I was in one of the two 'thick classes', and proud of it.

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It's good to keep in mind that it wasn't just the school ... our parents, even in my dysfunctional set up, supported the schools and what went on in them. You didn't go home, whining that big, bad "Ben" Johnson had administered six of the very best on your ass ... well, not unless you wanted a backhander:eek: When the report card came home with Ben's infamous red lines all over it, the folks didn't blame the teachers for not stimulating their little darlings. They knew where the blame lay. They didn't complain about the teachers not doing their jobs.:alright:

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That is a comment I love, as well as being in charge of 3 apprentices officialy, making sure they got through their exams, also looking after the ones that so called 'tradesmen' had given up on, I have also helped many relatives to become Electronics engineers as well, one of the things I always did was correct their spelling, not because I had to, but it made it easier for the examiner.

It just happened to be that if I'm teaching them, why not make sure they have the maximum of the knowledge I have?

I had a bloody good Science teacher, if my report on an experiment didn't have a decent idea of the English language he made me do it again, now it seems, putting in the extra mile isn't what a teacher will do, it's what those of us lucky enough and keen enough have to show these young people can do. (After they have been through the school system).
:)

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Look at the bright side. At least he didn't write "don't spell too good.";)

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What people are saying tends to take on more significance when you read things like this :-

Teachers 'falsifying pupils' marks' to inflate school results - Telegraph

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Seems like it's about folks keeping their jobs. Teachers, school administrators, politicians, they all have a vested interest in high marks. Whether or not those marks are justified is irrelevant. And the kids? Now, they are smart enough to realize what is going down. They are smart; they clue in real quick. One thing that kids do when they go to school ... and you can all remember doing it ... is find out where the line is; how far they can go; how little they have to do to get by. The whole system needs to be re-thought ... it's downright busted and can't be tinkered with. In fact, I believe it's time to stop thinking of education as a "system".

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I do believe it was DaveinGermany who came up with one of the better descriptions of Canadians ... he said that we are so laid back, we are almost comatose.:alright: