Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 937464)

Oh, it won't make me ill...I don't actually have a problem with my blood pressure...well not that I know of anyway. I just get really angry that people who should not be able to take money from our pockets, will be allowed to do so with ease, if the EU has its way.

Politicians have taken the line of least resistance in respect of benefits as well as the EU.
It is time there was a radical overhaul of both.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 937472)

Bernard still hasn't explained how he would make the EU democratic...or for that matter how he would begin to deal with the corruption that exists in the EU.
No mention has been made of the fact that the EU hasn't had a budget signed off in 14 years(or it could be more).

I cannot see any positives.........maybe I should go to Specsavers.

Me happy forking out dosh????? Don't you know I am the original Yorkshire Scottish jew........the one who would cut a corran(currant) in two. :)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 937340)

Mancie, is that your opinion or have you got some evidence to back up that statement?
I am not being fly here,(or trying to score points...) I am just asking a question because I am interested.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 937496)

Well Thank you for taking the time to explain what you mean. It makes more sense now.
I'm not sure how the MEP system works...but you can't really expect ME to take action to come out of the EU.........that is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas.
The EU is a vast gravy train......and the MP's are dipping their bread in it!

As for HMG over here........I am not being apologist, but they have had a lot on their plate to deal with.......and I am pretty sure that DC and NC don't really see eye to eye on lots of things so internal wrangling take up time and energy.

Maybe they just moan and whinge because they don't know what to do to get us out of the carp(intended). Like the engineers rule 'When you don't know what to do.....walk fast and look worried'.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 937511)

Talking of the gravy train Margaret, can you remember...who tried twice to become the British PM. Since being rejected...he's gone on to...dip his bread in that very rich gravy train

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 937530)

Blimey, at first glance I thought you were talking about your little chum, Peter Britcliffe.

;):D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 937511)

Talking of the gravy train Margaret, can you remember the socialist welsh firebrand leader of the Labour Party who tried twice to become the British PM. Since being rejected in 1992 he's gone on to make a nice little fortune for himself and even draughted most of his family in to help him dip his bread in that very rich gravy train, more in keeping with a Tory Toff, that Mancie is always banging on about, seems there are just as many Labour Toffs these days, our Tony hasn't done too bad for himself either;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 937536)

The last time we had a poll on here you voted in favour of keeping economic ties with the E.U., are you still in favour of it?

Thirty six years ago, when the British public were last allowed a referendum, on whether we should remain members of the then Common Market, were you for, or against it back then?

Interesting with hindsight, how both Labour under Wilson, and the Conservatives, with new leader Thatcher at the helm, were both enthusiastic campaigners for remaining in the E.E.C. in 1975.

European Economic Community!

Remember that?

The name used the last time we were allowed a say if we wanted to be members of this trade alliance.

Before it silently turned into the centralised European governing monster, that it's become today.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 937538)

Yes John, I do remember Neil Kinnock and his wife Glenys....they were almost the Blairs of their time.....Tony and Cherie just took it to another level....don't they call them 'Champagne Socialists' definitely have absolutely nothing in common with the working class....they were, in every respect tories, but were badged up as new Labour.(should have been knew Labour, didn't like it, so changed it to almost Tory)