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Join the campaign to get the government to act. We'll be launching an epetition soon and a Facebook page. This week Channel 4 conducted an interview for their fact check page. This issue is gaining interest nationally since it was raised.

You can read what Channel 4 factcheck say about this 'perfect crime' that is destroying Britain's infrastructure and putting people at serious risk.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...ect-crime/8134

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Very interesting read that Graham, I hope something is done about it.

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There was one last week in Lincolnshire which plunged certain areas into darkness. Inconsiderate idiots:

Lincolnshire business owners disgusted by 'mindless' electricity cable thieves | This is Lincolnshire

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on the upside the majority of deaths and injuries mentioned are suffered by the crooks who try to steal from things such as active substations and power lines. ;)

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Its always puzzled me where these people get rid of their ill gotten gains, seeing there is always plenty of reports on these thefts (how do you explain where you got a manhole cover from:eek:)A clamp down on dodgy scrap metal dealers, may go a long way to sorting out this problem

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That is the real problem, simple as, if yeh can't sell em- pointless stealing em.:rolleyes:

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Ya rocket science it isn't cashy;)

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Dale Farm was a scrap yard in the early 60's and I doubt they were interested where scrap came from. Same thing is happening now with scrap being packaged in containers and sent abroad, often China.

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Graham, exactly what amendments are being proposed to the old Scrap Metal law of 1964? Or is it to be replaced completely? I suspect that simply outlawing the cash tranaction aspect will fall far short of stopping the trade in stolen metal (and stone, for that matter).

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One word TAXATION ;)

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Here is a link to the LT about cable theft in Burnley http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ine_in_Burnley

I am glad that somebody is taking this up. Metal thefts doesn't only affect big companies, it also affects law abiding householders as well.

My flat I share with my partner has been hit 3 times in 3 years by metal thieves stealing lead flashing.

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From Hansard
House of Commons Hansard Debates for 06 Sep 2011 (pt 0005)
Scroll to near bottom


I call on the Government to consider making the following changes. They should amend the Scrap Metal Dealers Act 1964. Instead of the current registration scheme, the UK needs a robust licensing regime, with scrap metal dealers paying a licence fee to fund the regulation of the licence. Property obtained through theft should be regarded as criminal assets; that would allow the provisions in the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 to apply. In line with alcohol licensing powers, police authorities should have the power to search and investigate all premises owned and operated by a scrap metal dealer, and to close scrap metal dealers where criminally obtained materials are discovered. We should restrict trade in scrap metals to cashless payments, and introduce a requirement that scrap metal must not be sold or processed until payments have been cleared. Photo identification and CCTV should be used to identify sellers of scrap and their vehicles. Magistrates should have powers to add licence restrictions and prevent closed yards from re-opening, and criminal gangs should be charged in a way that is proportionate to the consequences of the crime, not the scrap metal value. I ask the Minister to use all his efforts to ensure that something is done before it is too late.

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it is saying make new laws taxation petitions etc who would implement these as the tories say they are paying off 300,000 civil servants by 2015 which include police,ambulance,firemen ,taxmen etc:confused:

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How would this work for say a plumber who takes scrap into the scrap yard twice a year for a drink at christmas, he is now having to have photo id and bacs payments for a few quids worth of legitimate scrap.It seems to me that this is just a back door entrance for yet another tax where payments can be traced etc to gain revenue for hm government. This is another example of us being born free and taxed to death:rolleyes:

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Where is your caravan parked up, chummy? This is exactly the sort of comment we expect from our traveller friends - pay no taxes and get summat for nowt. It seems to me that most law abiding people - including plumbers - will be more than happy to see a few changes in the system in order to break the blight of metal theft.

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Every firm I ever work for did that WM. When I worked for Valley Refrigeration, we had a place called the graveyard where we dumped old commercial fridges and freezers, then twice a year we had a wrecking session and split the proceeding between everyone at the firm except the boss:D

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The idea is to clamp down on thieves not to penalise hard working tradesmen who are hard pressed enough

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So your idea is to let things stand as they are? Please give us a better idea to that of stopping cash transactions on scrap metal. And if not, why should this business be different than every other?

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Seems there is differant kinds of stealing. All depending on your outlook.
:D

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Lets face it, any amendment they make in parliament will probably be a law to replace all metal with plastic rather than take action against the scum that steal it.

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If for instance the pipe has been removed from a household where the plumber/builder has been working and deemed it to be obsolete tax will already have been paid when first purchased, so now you want the plumber/builder to be taxed on it again thats good "chummy". I pay more than enough tax unlike many others who pay none at all and never have and never will, the law abiding among us would be all to happy to see a change for the better in ILLEGAL scrap but it seems that again only the ones with a legitimate business would suffer having to pay for the few scumbags who abuse the system as it is.They tried the same with waste and brought in transfer licenses and all that mallarky.That worked didnt it fly tipping stopped at once and the local "tree surgeons , rubbish removal experts" rushed out to apply for theirs in droves;), so what makes you think that nerdowells and thieves will take any notice of this? I await your answer with baited breath "chummy".!!!!!

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Would not said pipe belong to householder? If he chooses to give it awat then fair enough, take it without asking is theft. :rolleyes:

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Not really as when replacing pipework or anything with new, quote will generally say remove replace and clear site, if you take out a window or a fireplace does the customer want it leaving in the house with the builder saying "thats yours you get rid of it":rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

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If its an old cast iron fireplace I just might be selling it on myself.

As for windows, we saved the leaded windows when the bay was replaced, we just let the fitters take the rubbish away.

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If i'm not mistaken part of the bill will be for removing any rubbish. :rolleyes:

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So by what your saying here a contractor removing anything from a job he is doing when the material is deemed obsolete or the homeowner makes no move to have them leave it for them, is stealing it. Just as the people BREAKING into substations, power compounds, rail yards and houses etc are stealing the scrap.I think you need to adjust your radar a little or summat because its nowhere near the same:confused:

Jeremy Vine discussing metal theft on radio 2 today, I wonder if Graham will be on?

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He was on BBC Regional News this morning

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TV news Dave, didn't watch the 3 hour show for once but didn't see him on 4 bulletins I watched:confused:

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this metal theft affects us all, rail users, home consumers, bronze plaques on memorials, any legitimate scrap seller should praise any effort to stop this plague of thefts, and any legitimate scrap dealer would welcome the no cash system. Could it be that the present system supports the evasion of duty.

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Some scrotes evn nicked the door from the postbox at the junction of Warwick Ave and Lancaster Ave Accy last week

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Was on the 3 hour show this morning , North West section at either the 7.25 or 7.55 one, can't remember which one I saw it on

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I watched it on the Parliament Channel. He presented his 10 Minute bill straight after 'Questions to the Attorney General’ at 1pm. The cameras caught a few other Labour back benchers shuffling in to 'bunch' alongside him, so as to make the chamber look busy. That only succeeded in making him look pretty silly. Reading from a prepared script (no surprise, as there was some detailed numerical stuff), he started off nervous and made a few errors but after that he was OK. So 7/10 for presentation.

When it came to the vote on the Bill, with about 50 in the chamber, there were no 'No's, so it goes on to the next stage when it pops up again in the house on the 20/January.

I can't forgive him for his referendum about face, but at least he might do something useful now amongst the dying embers of democracy.

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lets face it any law passed by government will only effect law abiding people and the criminals will find a way around the new laws if any.Not to worry though government will get teh extra tax from the honest people.

Crime goes up when times are hard and labor made times hard sure enough but camerons making them harder so expect it to get worse before better :mad:

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No one shuffled near me. There was some interest, slightly more the usual.

As a working class person who resides up Plantation Street I to find hard to swallow that you would kick ordinary struggling Accy families in the teeth when it is a fact that 95% of people don't give a toss about Europe but do care about jobs and the economy. As a WC person I'll say what I think, you are letting us down.

Cedar Stret/Hodder Street resident 23 years. Accy resident 45 years.

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And now a Miliband lacky

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Well done yesterday Graham, with highlighting, and adressing this issue.

But whilst you're currently online, and reading this thread, could you please find time to answer this question please?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-59650-16.html

Thanks.

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Your having a larff Rindi

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Sorry Graham but to me you have done exactly that yerself by saying one thing,then doing another! n i'd love yeh to provide evidence 95% of Hyndburn folk don't give a toss about that,cos i sure as hell aint seen it.

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No.

Not laughing.

He's stopped reading this thread now, and gone offline.

No worries.

No great hardship.

I'll carry on posting that question, in every thread he ever posts in, until the cows come home.

Or, until he has the decency to answer, what many people want to know.

Was going to post until 'he grows a pair'.

Though being a E.U.nuch, thought that might be too long a wait.

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Like all politicians Rindi they don't want to answer the difficult questions, they just bluster and talk of the subject hoping it will go away

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Well?

Where are these 'facts', to back up that statement?

We look forward to you providing actual evidence, which will prove it as being the truth.

I do hope it's not anymore of your meaningless politico-speak, you've so easily learned the language of.

A thousand jobs here, within ten years...perhaps. A thousand jobs there.

That sort of thing.

95%?

The evidence?

I hope to goodness you can actually come up with some.

Because with the meaningless waffle you've been posting on here recently, your credibility's heading towards zero.

The evidence...

Can't wait.

:rolleyes:

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I think that this patronising, pathetically faux humble, totally out of touch with what ordinary people really think, as opposed to your sycophantic party bro-chums, was actually your Gillian Duffy moment.

I did feel a little sorry for you, and thought you a bit naive, and it all being a bit of a struggle for you.

I was wrong.

Arrogance isn't naivety.

Good luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6vR0Na4hk

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Well hope away.

It ain't happenin'.

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Theres no hiding place;)

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Well there doesn't seem to be on here.

Perhaps the mythical '95% of people don't give a toss about Europe' in the rest of Hyndburn, will provide him with a little comforting sanctuary.

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Gari, lets have a poll of Accy Web users, to find the 95%, all who visit the thread must vote, the vote can be made compulsory, with a 1 month ban, if you don't vote on visting the page.

Retlaw

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Little tip.

People on here. Real people.

Not the '95% of people don't give a toss about Europe', who live in your head.

They're sick and fed up at being lied to, talked down to, and ignored by politicans, except in the run up to elections, of course.

Politicans who come on here, and use this forum only to preach their own propaganda, and who now think they aren't really getting the appreciation, that they think they deserve.

No childhood memories, no silly jokes, no tips for getting rust marks off lino.

Preach, preach, preach.

The same old lessons we are supposed to take notice of, and learn from, read from the party Bible.

Accy Web members got tired of local councillors doing this, and now they're scarcer than hen's teeth.

If that's all you're here to do, well...

I'm sure Accy Web will survive.

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We'll give him a day.

He's probably sat there, with his foot in his mouth, whilst banging his head slowly against the wall, of his ever so humble home.

Let him search, then provide the evidence, once he's stopped.

To prove he's telling the truth, and it isn't a lie.

A day.

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Graham, I would like to tell you(respectfully) that you are wrong if you think that 95% of people don't give a toss about Europe.....that view may be convenient for you, but it is not correct.
The biggest worries for the ordinary man/woman in the street are those around immigration and the EU.

I travel on buses and listen to conversations of ordinary people, and the constant topic of interest is the EU and the erosion of democracy....of not being in control of our own destiny....mainly because decisions which our government should be in control of are being dealt with from Brussels.

The EU wants closer political integration and closer financial integration...they see this being the solution to all the ills that currently beset the union, the British people do not want to become further entangled in the corrupt organisation that is Europe.......which currently seems at this moment to be ruled/directed by France and Germany.

How long will it be before Merkel and Sarkozy decide that we need a leader who is more in tune with the EU and nominates Nick Clegg(a dedicated europhile) as leader.
You are going to laugh and tell me that this cannot happen....won't happen. But I'm not so sure.

We, the people, did not get a chance to give our views....if we had, you would see that what you have said is not true.

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Graham, I have to say that when you were elected I expected you to do great things.
You know Accrington. The people are real to you, you have rubbed shoulders with them, joked with them, had a pint with them.

All I can say now is that I am very disappointed that you haven't lived up to expectations...not just mine, but those who you were elected to represent.
Maybe it is our fault...we expected too much.

Blessed is he who expects nothing - he will never know disappointment.

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Credit where credit's due though.

Well done.










Congratulations, in turning this into yet one more European Union thread.

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Echoes my own thoughts exactly.

I'm genuinely sad to say.

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Oh Dear. I appear to have upset the Honourable Member for Hyndburn and Haslingden. But I can’t in the least think why. Certainly, like most people on this forum I am fully aware of the direct and indirect financial costs of metal theft and of the unquantifiable distress caused by those criminal acts involving the destruction of war memorials and grave plaques. That is why I asked in post No 9 on this thread what exactly was being proposed in GJ’s bill, to which he gave a detailed reply in post No 13. In post No’s 16 & 19 I fully backed the outlawing of cash transactions in answer to a few subsequent posts defending the lamentable status quo.

Being aware that GJ was due to present his Private Members Bill before the House this week, I checked on the Commons timetable to find exactly when. The 10 minute period allocated for GJ’s bill was immediately after questions to the deputy PM and the Attorney General, so being unsure exactly how long those would last I tuned in to the BBC Parliament Channel at 11.30am. Clegg gave his usual waffle and that was followed by the AG and the Solicitor General mainly answering questions on the passports and border fiasco (this was at the same time as Brodie Clark was being grilled in a committee room, which was being shown live on BBC News 24).

The Commons chamber was certainly not anywhere near full for these questions. Upon completion at 1pm, there was a partial exodus from the chamber and GJ’s name was called by the speaker, where he had been sat on the opposition benches at the rear of the chamber. At that point, several of his labour colleagues rose from their previous seating position and went and sat directly next to him as he rose to begin his speech. This was clearly visible on the TV picture and this is what I referred to when I said they shuffled in beside him. This is of course, now the normal practice for an MP’s colleagues to group alongside him when a lengthy statement is in progress.


I stand by my marking of 7/10. I am not a GCSE or ‘A’ level marker so I don’t go in for grade inflation and summat for nowt. However, given that the highest mark I have given for a parliamentary speech is 9/10 (and that was when I was in the Strangers Gallery for the Saturday morning Falklands debate of 1982), and the average is 5/10, then I would have thought that GJ would have been relatively pleased. I certainly don’t give any allowance for inexperience which if I was to, would have made it an 8/10. But it’s not my marking that counts – it’s that of the House. There was not one call against the bill proceeding to the next stage. So congratulations on this point to GJ and we all trust it will go all the way to the Palace for Her Majesties signature and a new and much needed law for her noble realm.

But now things get really puzzling. Why would I want to kick ordinary struggling families in the teeth? When I’m not in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets - which on most scores is regarded as either the poorest or second poorest borough in the country - I’m back in Church, (which is not exactly the poshest part of Hyndburn) and when I’m there I stay in the same terraced house I was in as a resident new born 55 years ago.

Initially, I left Church for higher education in 1974; that was shortly after the UK had joined the EU. There was still plenty of jobs then – I spent several summers working at Ewbank, Arnolds and various other companies and it was never too difficult to get a job even though Accy was certainly not the most prosperous of towns. The intervening years, however – coinciding with our membership of the EEC/EU - have been an absolute economic and social disaster for Hyndburn. The vast majority of people, while they may not know the intricate details of the Lisbon or Maastricht treaties or the workings of the CAP are fully aware of the link between that membership and the borough’s decline and fall.

I am more than prepared – as are others on here – to have a serious debate with GJ about the costs, consequences and ‘benefits’ of our continuing membership of the EU. Anytime, Mr Jones. But in the interim, may I possibly suggest that you avoid posts such as your last which is no more than a silly little insult. I’ll tell you what – I’ll even give you a starter for the debate. I mentioned Arnolds earlier on. This company – now Express Gifts – is, I believe, the largest private employer in Hyndburn. When I worked there, the workforce – about 600 – was all British. Now half the workforce is Eastern European. That is entirely due to our membership of the EU and the Labour government’s decision to allow workers into the UK from the accession states (most of the rest of the EU said ‘no’ to ‘em). If you are truly concerned about jobs for the people of Hyndburn – especially the younger ones – then how can you defend this stupidity?

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Tealeaf, I am not your biggest fan, but that post is a cracker.
well said....you and me must be in the lowly 5% of folk who care about the EU and how it has wrecked the fabric of our nation, diluted out traditions and eaten into everything that we hold dear.
Alas Graham cannot see that....or perhaps more to the point, doesn't want to see it.

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That's because you've never met me.

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Yup ... great post Tealeaf:alright:

I just can't for the life of me see why the major political parties are so intent on keeping Britain in the EU:confused: If it's obvious to those of us in the New World (and to eighty ballsy tory backbenchers) that the monstrosity is coming apart at the seams, and threatening economies all over the world, why can't they see it? If the EU were an automobile, it would be hooked up to a tow truck and on the way to the wreckers. It's unworkable .... no amount of fixing or patching will make it work. Not even Red Green with a truck load of duct tape could fix it.:eek:

Are the 5% that give a flying whatsit about the referendum 100% accyweb members or is there a small percentage made up from the rest of Hyndburn?
I do find it difficult to guesstimate anything factual from figures that just seem to have been plucked from the air.
Is this all we can expect from now on? Or will our elected representatives actually realise that we and indeed the whole of Hyndburn may have been foolish enough to put them in charge but without a reasonable explanation for their actions, by heck i reckon we might just vote at the earliest opportunity to relieve them of this burdensome responsibility we seem to have placed on them.

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I don't think this will do you any favours, Garinda, sabotaging other threads on issues which people wish to discuss.

Perhaps, Graham may answer your published letter in The Observer tomorrow ? :D

Anyway, cows come home in the mornings, don't they .. to be milked ? Perhaps you should join them at times.. x

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Nor likely to.
It was still a very good post, though it hurts me to tell you.

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For those few poor souls who aren't in Graham Jonse's mythical 95% 'who don't give a toss about Europe', regardless of what happens to Hyndburn as a constituency, as a result of the Boundary Commission's meddling, I have it on very good authority that there will be a UKIP candidate(s) standing in this area at the next General Election.

Which will offer the remaining 5% an alternative candidate to vote for. If they feel the mainstream political parties no longer represent their own views.

It will be interesting how the maths add up, come election day.

:rolleyes:

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I know you won't believe me, but having met you both, if you two did ever meet, I know 100% you'd like old Teabag.

Trust me.

;):D

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G.....you know I trust you,but I think I will pass.....just this once.

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Margaret, new politicians going into parliament can be likened to banana's going into storage.
They go in Green, turn Yellow, and come out Bent.

Retlaw.

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And this may be hard to believe ... although Tealeaf has got on my nerves occasionally:rolleyes: ... if I ever decide to make the last trip over, he is def. on my list of folks I'd like to have a beer with. I'll even buy the first round:drunk:

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Without wanting to thread wander too much...he used to wind me in like a kipper on here, until I realised what he was doing, and denied him that pleasure.

He was nothing like I expected when I did meet him. Probably more so, than any other Accy Webber I've met.

He's actually a very, very nice person.

:eek:

Books/covers.

;)

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Make that another 100% T is one of the best,hard fer yeh to comprehend margaret, but do i bullshine?;)

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Don't waste your breath .... you know how bullheaded women are :hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall:

There ... a big wall and the North Atlantic should keep me safe.:alright:

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No Cashy...you don't...ever.
And Eric........I am not bull-headed........Moose headed........maybe:D

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I half expected this post to be signed off 'by Adrian Mole. Aged 13¾.'

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Just read Graham's post for the first time and absolutely stunned. I've become a bit disillusioned with him recently, but to duck out of answering a question by posting up his working class credentials is pathetic. You really have picked up the politicians' tricks of the trade very quickly, haven't you, Graham? :(

As for Mr T, I'm with the rest of the chaps, Margaret, he's a top geezer! :D

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Even worse ... but I'm glad to see the smilie .... I can pull down the wall (and sell all the rebar ... had to get metal in there) ... Unless I'm looking at the smile on the face of the tiger:eek: (My favorite "clean" Limerick.);)

Think it's time to quit while I'm ahead:D

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Give him a chance Wynonie.

Everyone might have to eat their words.

Graham might yet come up with the source of the evidence, to back up his statement, that 'it is a fact that 95% of people don't give a toss about Europe'.

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What a cracking post oh wise one:bow8::bow8::bow8::D

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The walls not big enough and the Atlantic not deep enough Eric:D

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Odd, really.

How basically it's the same old, same old, with regards to forum membership here.

Besides losing a few, and gaining a few, here and there.

Though in the past, when we had a Conservative run council, and a Labour government, there were always many accusations that there was a definite left-wing bias here on Accy Web.

Now, a short time later, we have a council under Labour control, and a Conservative led coalition government.

I haven't noticed an influx of political agitators on here.

As I said. Same old, same old.

Perhaps there's just been a shift in public opinion?

Which some are unable, or don't want to see.

As I said, odd, that.

:rolleyes:

Just think of him as a taller, extremly polite and very intelligent version of me and you'll have a good idea what he is like Margaret.

Ah, you haven't met me either, so that won't work will it?

It's time for you to put in an appearance @ this years Christmas meet.

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Less......I am not allowed out after dark. No I haven't got a curfew order against me.
So I think I will be missing,yet again.

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Less is the same Margaret only he has a curfew from dawn to dusk http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020122.gif

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Maybe that's why I can't go out after dark.

No, for some reason I am just not happy being out after dark...maybe it's my age.
Everything else seems to be put down to that.

Thanks to globel warming Jay, I can get a high barrier sun cream that allows me to prowl around town on the shadier days, though I do find it a tad uncomfortable when I'm sat in the railway surrounded by 50 or so flat screen T.V.'s, perhaps I need to search the internet for a barrier cream that will protect me from this terrible increase in EMF emmissions?

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Less, I thought it was only a stake to the heart, a bulb of Garlic or a silver bullet that threatened those who travel in the dark of the night, those with a thirst for the red stuff....no, not tomato sauce! Blood.
I thought you would be immune from those pesky waves.

Stakes don't work, I have a rare genetic disorder known as vampires breath that allows me to have garlic with everything & I am of an ancient breed thrust into a modern world, we were never designed to cope with anything more complicated than a wax candle, so, EMF is the devils spawn to me, (I'm not a hypochondriac it's me genes!).

By the way, silver bullets are for were-wolves.

Even those who are pure in heart
And say their prayers at night
Can become a wolf
When the wolfbane blooms
And the stars are shining bright.

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Well you live and learn.......I thought the silver bullet was anathema to all the devilish creatures that haunt the shadows.
I like the poem too.

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I just want to return to this one comment.

Maybe 'shuffle' was the wrong word; there may well be another word for this practise within the House of Commons. Possibly they call it flash mobbing or something similar. I don't know. Nevertheless, what happens is commonplace so I am not singling out GJ.

It is possible, of course, that Graham did not see the gentlemen shuffle up on his left because he would have been concentrating on his speech. However, I stand by my description of the the exodus from the chamber, empty green benchs and then members bunching up togeather alongside GJ.

You can judge for yourself:

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Pl...meetingId=9343

You need to drag the timer across until the time on the bottom right of the screen shows 1.25 (One hour 25 minutes into the session). You will see the winding up of the previuos debate, then the speaker calling GJ. Then watch what happens on his left hand side.

Anyway, you are the jury - reach your own verdict.

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Only goes up to 19-33 T on mine.:confused:

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Try 01.25.

My typo - I tried to correct it but got timed out.

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I have watched it and the benches the theLeft of GJ(right as we look at it) were empty...then three members appeared and sat down in this space......but certainly there appeared to be a sparse attendance.

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At 13.00 the Speaker of the house Mr Bercow told the MP's that they were pressed for time and had to move on GJ started his speech at 13.01

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It's near the 13-00 on mine If that helps.:)

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It's at 13 minutes in.

Well it says that when I watch it.

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It should be 1.25 because tuesday's session started at 11.34am and GJ stood at 1pm - 1hour 26 minutes later. Anyway, I'm showing 1.25 allowing for the previous winding up. I suspect we may be working on different systems. The important thing is that you can see what happens.

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I don't know what else you could call it, but a shuffle.

Unless it's animal magnetism in action, caught on film.

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Twas a little shuffle, G.J. did ok to me, shame many MPs dont seem to regard this as a problem,otherwise they would be present? perhaps those absent see fiddling as second nature?

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I think he did do OK. That's what I previously wrote. It's a shame the shuffle was caught on film - that was just unlucky - and maybe he was not aware of it, but that still does not justify his rant on here. He needs to calm down a little and accept the fun of the cut and thrust of civilised debate.

I suspect that the reason for the empty benches - despite all the recent media coverage on metal theft may be due to the fact that it was 1pm and some of his colleagues, being thirsty bunnies, needed to go down the pub.

GJ may be on another planet when it comes to public opinion on the EU, but he is perfectly right in what he is doing on metal theft (oh, and his work on the Toddy Curve, for that matter). The real question now is will the government give him & his colleagues sufficient parliamentary time through the second reading (20th January), through the committee stage and on to it's final reading? I don't know - I hope so. If there is sufficient cross-bench support then it should happen.

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PM MargaretR Less, sure she can help:D

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Back on topic -
a length of metal railings (about 5') has been stolen from opposite my home.

It was part of the fence which separates the roadside verge from the area of trees, and was on LCC property.

I didn't notice it had gone until my neighbour pointed it out to me. I don't/can't look out of my windows due to the scaffolding and plank walkways that went up over a week ago.

There are several lengths left yet to steal, and we expect them to go gradually. The wooded area will then be fully accessible as a dog toilet site.

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The next village to me in the East Riding has had 2 Kilometers of telephone cable stolen, and the whole village is now without Telephone or Internet access.How can someone steal 2 Kilometers of cable unless they have equipment to coil it up,lift it and carry it off?This suggests to me that the perpetrators are likely to be someone in the know ,like BT workers or Telephone engineers. And where do they dispose of the cable?There must be some dodgy scrap metal dealers around.Surely the Police can solve this? It cant be easy to carry 2 Kilometers of cable around, then find someone willing to buy it, with out someone seeing it.Whats the odds our police force never solve this case?Anyone willing to have a bet?

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Not me Jim