Originally Posted by Neil (Post 993979)

While he is high flying the local Labour party might put him up for election in St Andrews next time round. It will be an interesting election that one.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994044)

Well It would surprise me he's so far up himself, hes just a narcissist on an ego trip

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994045)

This, in reply to elections in St Andrews ward.

Think it through.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994048)

We aren't able to think for ourselves.

We have to leave it to those we elect, to do that for us.

As witnessed by Graham Jones, thinking a referendum about membership of the E.U. was beyond our understanding.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994051)

I feel sure you've played that record before.

John Prescott said something quite interesting on Question Time last Thursday about an EU referendum which it's pretty hard to deny being true - the whole country had the chance to speak out on EU membership at the last general election by voting for UKIP.

They didn't do terribly well.

I'm not against a referendum, sooner or later it's inevitable in my view, but we've long had the option.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994051)

I feel sure you've played that record before.

John Prescott said something quite interesting on Question Time last Thursday about an EU referendum which it's pretty hard to deny being true - the whole country had the chance to speak out on EU membership at the last general election by voting for UKIP.

They didn't do terribly well.

I'm not against a referendum, sooner or later it's inevitable in my view, but we've long had the option.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994059)

I have a spooky feeling they'll do slightly better at the next General Election.

Unless the mainstream parties wake up, and realise how important an issue this is for the vast majority of people.

They might decide to dangle a pre-election carrot, and promise of a referendum if elected.

Though I think the unable to think for themselves public, are wising up to those particular lies from our politicans.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994069)

Probably each post on here, made by those elected to think for us, equates to ten votes for a non-mainstream political party.

Keep 'em coming.

Please.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 994059)

I have a spooky feeling they'll do slightly better at the next General Election.

Unless the mainstream parties wake up, and realise how important an issue this is for the vast majority of people.

They might decide to dangle a pre-election carrot, and promise of a referendum if elected.

Though I think the unable to think for themselves public, are wising up to those particular lies from our politicans.

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994077)

Although I'm in complete agreement with your first three statements, you seem to have found another line to trot out about 'being unable to think for ourselves' as some form of sarcastic cleverness. I'm sure we'll hear this over and over and OVER in the vain hope that someone someday will laugh with you.

Try to grasp this - occasionally, we all have to admit that there are people out there who know more about certain subjects than we do. I'll freely admit that Graham Jones knows far more about the EU situation than I do.

Apparently you will not.

If you choose to berate someone for making a decision based on a more informed standpoint then that's your prerogative but for myself I will have a little faith on this occasion. We may not agree with decisions in Westminster but the only alternative is to keep asking different MPs until one day you find one who shares your view, which presumably is the 'correct' one.

I'm no great fan of the EU but I'm savvy enough to realise that pulling out is not a swift or painless process.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994080)

There is far more pain staying in for ordinary folk, but of course we've already been told that we don't matter anymore:mad:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994081)

When?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 994082)

Which plannet have you been on since May 2011 it certainly isn't plannet Earth thats for sure, whats this thread all about for a start!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 994087)

I don't ever recall being told that I don't matter anymore, that's all. I note that the Conservatives weren't exactly falling over themselves to vote in favour of it either. The subject isn't going to go away and sooner or later someone is going to have to deal with it properly but I come back to my point about referendums having to be done properly and an EU vote would involve some serious publicity to point out the facts.

Bring it on, I'm in favour in principle, but at the moment I suspect a lot of people would vote based on their 'knowledge' from the media and that is far from having the full facts.

You of all people should know this given your background.