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You'd have thought now that we're Hyndburn International Council, they'd have used the world stage to condemn the attrocious human rights abuses, carried out in other parts of the world.

Child slavery, the sexual exploitation of minors, the rights for female equality, the torture and killing of political opponents, in say....Pakistan.

Not a word.

So Far.

Perhaps they'll tackle the issue at the next full meeting of our Internationalist Council.

:rolleyes:

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Or easier still, he could just listen to what Graham Jones says.

After all, he does know best.

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And where do you think he gets this information to make judgements? Could it be the advisors with their own agenda? Could it be he is simply listening to EdM?.... he's spending a lot of time on the scrap metal issue and goings on at Ewood, he can't be everywhere?

Go do some research, have a look at the issues, he's wrong and he's let us down big style on this one

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I'm asking you first off, you said you had all the facts.

If you don't then that somewhat proves my point.

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He has a finely tuned, and very sharp political mind.

You only have to read a few of his old posts, to witness that.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...=2609658&pp=25

This is one of my own favourite examples, of this keen political intellect.

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Actually I said 'full' facts, and like I said in my previous post you are simply picking on one word in a fifty word rant.

Of course I don't have the 'full' facts or even 'all' the facts that would be ridiculous and presumptious. You are continually picking at one word in a cogent argument to deflect the fact that you are sheepishly following the party line without makiing a single argument against the bulk of my post.

Or to paraphrase your idol '95% of my comments are apparently inarguable'

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No, I'm just trying to make the point that on an EU referendum there would probably be a lot of people who claim to know their facts when in reality there are a few sizeable holes in their knowledge.

I am one of them.

I am all for a referendum but it would be dependent on all GB residents knowing everything they were voting on.

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Not having that argument either..how many people vote in a general election with those constraints? Anyone on here know the manifestos of the big 3? Do you Ken, honestly?

I really think that the majority of people should be asked 'in or out' based on their own interpretations, do your party political broadcasts, have your debates etc.. but for the love of mike, let the people speak on this one

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Agreed, but come on, it's a biggie.

Party politics aside, if we're going to have big referendums we should know EVERYTHING.

And I'm not talking about that silly AV vote in 2011 either....

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Even your little chum agreed a referendum would settle the E.U. membership question 'democratically'.

Before shortly voting to deny the people of Hyndburn their democratic right, to have a say whether we want membership, or not.

Something we've never, ever been asked as a people.

The E.U. didn't even exist, the last time we had a referendum, on whether we wanted continued economic ties with mainland Europe

The arguments, for, and against, would have happened later.

If democracy, rather than blind, party political loyalty had triumphed.

Pointless, mulling it over now.

Greater minds than your's, have decided the question for you.

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Yes we should, and in these days of instant research, communication etc.. we can find out for ourselves the pro's and con's of most arguments within an hour. Most politicians have still to realise that the majority can't be hoodwinked anymore by press clippings and hype.

Sorry that I appear argumentative but the AV vote was a good idea screwed up by the question and the timing, which I guess brings us full circle. :)

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I'm not totally sure but being a whip he can't join in the debate, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong;)

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In other words if Ed says jump Gramham ask how high;)

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Unfortunately that is the same across all flavours of politics isn't it?

The meek may inherit the Earth but until then, they had better all do as they are darned well told.

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Ya Less but if you notice this thread is entitled "Did Graham Jones do the right thing", not do all MPs do as they are told, and there was one person who didn't kowtow to the party rulers that was Ken Hargreaves, he was a true man of the people went to Westminster to represent the people of Hyndburn and was one of the very few Tory MPs who did not support the Community Charge (Poll Tax) because he knew it wasn't the right thing for the people who voted for him