It's not so smart to have a 'smart meter'
 

Would you like a cell phone mast in your home?
I expect you said 'no'.

If you have any suspicions that the radiation may cause health problems, then 'no' is the best answer.

What will you do when installation becomes compulsory?
Smart meters operate like cell phone masts.

BBC News - Smart meter savings 'uncertain' says audit office
"By 2020, every home in Britain will be fitted with a smart meter - a device that shows exactly how much gas and electricity is being used".

“Smart” Meters: More Radiation Than a Cell Tower | Stop Smart Meters!

If as you are trying to imply with your usually panic mongering methodology, that these meters as well as phone masts, (you didn't mention mains transformers or your favourite doom machine the microwave oven, how remiss of you), cause illness, then how come there haven't been large scale illnesses or even deaths amongst the engineers that work in close proximity to these devices in their normal working lives?

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Since you show no signs of sensitivity to others, it is unlikely that you will be sensitive to EMF radiation.
Unfortunately some people are, and the addition of yet more radiation in the home will cause more people to be affected.
The effect is cumulative.

Here is a report which details the effects of EMF on biological systems.
http://www.bioinitiative.org/freeacc...ocs/report.pdf
It does point that controlled EMF can be beneficial but -

"Electromagnetic fields are widely used in therapeutic medical applications. Proof of
effectiveness has been demonstrated in numerous clinical applications of low-intensity
ELF-EMF and RF-EMF, each treatment employing specific characteristics of frequency,
modulation and intensity to achieve its efficacy. On the other hand, higher levels of
EMFs encountered in the environment which are indiscriminately generated by
technologies of the 20th and 21st centuries may result in harm. EMF levels which are
allowable today under thermally-based public exposure standards do not take into
account these clear indications of the sensitivities of the human body to EMFs. If we are
to promulgate public exposure standards that are protective of public health, then this
body of evidence on healing with EMFs is of primary importance in developing
biologically-based public exposure standards.




I consider that installation of smart meters should be voluntary

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'EU targets require that at least 80% of homes have a smart meter fitted by 2020.'

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Sorry for interrupting, by the way.

I'm tied to my chair, with one of those evil Rothschilds pointing a gun to my head, forcing me to read threads I don't want to, against my will.

He's just gone for a wee.

I'd better go, I've just heard a flush.

;)

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.......;)

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Smells a bit fishy to me, why should it concern anybody in Belgium how supplies are metered, they won't reduce your usage, only an excuse to raise charges.
If utility Co's need to know how much you use, they should pay for the dammed meters.
While on the subject of charges, why should we pay line rental for telephones, I've paid enough in line rental to have my own private wire to Australia, why have we to pay for a bit of wire, when were not using it, as well as that, we are also charged 9p per call before we even speak.
Retlaw.

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I agree.

Why should the U.K. be forced to comply to binding legislation issued from Brussels?

As for safety...

I'm more inclined to believe information supplied by Which?, than the Prophetess of all things Doom and Gloom.

Are smart meters safe?

So far, there has been no medical evidence to suggest that smart meters are unsafe for people.
Smart meter roll out - Smart meters and energy monitors explained - Energy monitor reviews - Creating an energy saving home - Which? Energy

(It was next door, who flushed the bog. The evil Jewish financier's still in there.)

:eek:

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Remember when all the tobacco companies refused to believe that cigarettes caused any harm to humans?

It doesn't suit their purposes to have us believe that smart meters are dangerous.....that doesn't necessarily mean they are safe.

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Because we're part of the United States of Europe and we have to do as we're told. And despite the fact we don't want it, our political masters from David Cameron to Graham Jones think they know better than us and have seen fit to ignore our wishes. :mad:

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Agreed, but whist this change-over is being rolled out, forced by legislation issued by the E.U., there's not an awful lot you can do, it seems.

Well, other than to decide not to have gas or electricity supplied to your home.

Personally I've always found the information supplied by Which? to be fair, and impartial.

If Which? states that there's no medical evidence that smart meters are unsafe for people, I'd tend to believe it, until supplied with credible medical evidence proving otherwise.

In the great scheme of things I won't be losing too much sleep, worrying about any associated health scares if/when they come to fit them for me.

Happily I've learned from my great granny, who feared, and wouldn't have electricity in her home in the 1960's, worried it would kill her.

;):D

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For once, Margaret R is talking sense. If you have a meter, rip it out and chuck it in the bin. It is also important that you also dispose of other radioactive items within your household.Therefore with immeadiate effect, get rid of the following:

TV
Computer
Radio
Fridges
Freezers
Washing Machines
Hoovers
Clocks
Smoke Detectors (they're nasty - contain americium 241 - better to die quickly in a blaze than slowly roast to death)

This lot contain Uranium & Thorium, so make sure they go:

Plates
Teacups
Vases
Glassware
Carpets
Bath tubs
Bogs

Microwave Ovens (we already know about them)

And this lot contain a mixture of various radionuclides:

Potatos
Carrots
Swedes
Cabbage
Broccili
Cauliflower
All pulses

..so whiz them in the bin (but not your recycle one).

All tinned foods.

If you obey these few instructions, then you should have a happy and healthy life.

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We assess risks every day.

Just as we have since leaving the womb.

Both MargaretR and myself probably sit there, pondering those risks, whilst drawing on our fags, and our assessments draw different conclusions.

That's life.

:)

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Yes, of course we do.
I risk life and limb every day to cross the road with the tinlids...we minimise our risks by taking sensible precautions.

The scientists never agree on anything for more than a week at a time, so I would take whatever any publication tells me with a pinch of salt.(and that is probably bad for me as well)
After all, I am from the generation who ate mud, licked the paint on my cot(which probably contained lead) played with lead soldiers....had food cooked in aluminuim pans, climbed trees, played conkers, drank water out of a mill stream(that had fish frogs and tadpoles in it)..........and I'm still here!

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Thats perfectly true, yet some take great heed of these nutty reports,even when they change tack after awhile. "Sods Law"- eventually one of em will be correct.:rolleyes:

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Same.

Same school of thought.

Some dirt does you more good than harm.

Living in clinical isolation isn't wise.

Mithering (yourself to death), when there's little choice about something, could also be physically bad for our general health.

I will not risk my health by worrying too much, after having assesed the dangers of having new gas/electricity meters in my home. Especially as there is little, or no alternative from this happening.

Unless there is some credible evidence forthcoming, it probably won't be worth me spending much time fretting about it.

:)

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i used to have a microwave to defrost rats for my pet snake and thats about all they are fit for .When teh snake died teh microwave went to the tip before anyone could do something stupid like cook food in it or something ;)

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All these harmful things they keep coming out with.

That, and the world population rising all the time, at break neck speed.

I just can't fathom it.

:rolleyes:

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I just pretend to fill the kettle.

Your thousands of brews have all been made in the microwave.

;):D

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you mean that ping noise wasnt your pacemaker ? :confused:

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http://www.electricalpollution.com/d...2-09132007.pdf
"Chronic exposure to electric and magnetic fields
(EMF) may be hazardous to your health. The World
Health Organization (WHO) urges all member
countries to pass laws that would limit human
exposure to EMF. The WHO announcement resulted
from hundreds of studies published in credible
research journals throughout the world."

I know that total avoidance of EMF radiation is impossible.
Limitation of exposure is advisable.
That is why Smart Meters are bad news.
They, unlike some household appliances, are unecessary.
The meters we have are adequate for purpose.

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all meters shoudl be removed from all houses they dont need them seen as most of the bills are estimated..

lets put the shoe on teh other foot and have us estimate how much we think we owe them for a change :D

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Now,........that would really be good!

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When these new meters are rolled out, in accordance with E.U. regulations, I wonder what will happen to those customers who currently have pay as you go meters, and buy top-up cards?

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That's quite right Rindi why should we have to put up with all this crap from Brussels, maybe we could have a referendum on it:rolleyes:

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Ya I would certainly furnish them with an address to send the refund:D

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maybe they will finally stop been ripped off.

its distgusting that people who need to budget and pay upfront for their gas or electricity are charged almost twice as much as those who pay a bill.Not one of teh governments that have been in power has done a damn thing to stop the poor been blatantly ripped off.

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16,000 SSE customers could be in line for a refund as energy supplier admits meters are faulty | This is Money

Sorry for bumping a old thread but, are suppliers guilty of (indirect) manslaughter or a similar criminal charge?
By that, I mean all those vunrable elderly folk who have died because they was to frightened to turn their heating on, which it now turns out they was being over charged (ripped off) for. :(

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Where do you get the idea that anyone has died because they were frightened to use their heating because of these meters?
No mention of deaths caused directly or indirectly in the article you have linked to.
Perhaps it is just a little bit of 'over the top' speculation that has somehow crept into your thinking?
:confused:

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my brother has a device that shows how much electricity he is using im assuming its one of these smart meters

im going to make a point of taking a power drill each time i visit infact my phone could do with a charge so i may visit today

at least i will be able to see how much money im saving by using his electricity :D

mind you these devices are handy you can bill your kids and deduct from their pocket money what they use to charge laptops,tablets,phones and use on teh xbox:)

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That's probably just a device that monitors the meter & gives readings of current & recent consumption. I think a 'smart' meter actually delivers metering information directly back to the supplier thus eliminating the need for meter readers or consumers submitting their own meter readings.

I believe the current charging discrepancies are due to the meter clocks being incorrectly set so that 'Economy 7' was being charged at the full rate instead of a reduced rate?

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Mine isn't a meter, it's just a display, but I take a look before bed every night just to make sure everything's off. If it's showing more than 150Wh there's something other than the fridge, fish tank and the video recorder running. It's usually a light left on somewhere. Some things don't show up, like a PC monitor in standby.

As for old folk dying because they are scared of turning the heating on - I can see how that might happen. We're a comparatively young family with a decent enough household income (so not a fixed weekly pension), and we turn off the heating as early as possible and leave it as long as we can before turning it on.

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Yes, I can see that it might happen, because of expense.

This:-
However is based on what? Certainly nothing solid, mere speculation on the posters behalf.

:(

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We are on a fixed income.....and we are cautious with our heating. Saying that, last winter we used less but paid more. I am going to get some long johns for next winter.....at this rate we will be paying to have it switched off

Since the weather warmed up a bit the central heating has been turned off.....I hope it doesn't need to go back on until about the third week in November

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Perhaps it was a little "over the top speculation" on my behalf, however if one (I'm sure there would be more) old dear out of say the 20,000 (in the link below) was frightened enough to not put their heating on and died of hyperthermia, Would that then make them guilty of manslaughter etc (in your honest opinion)? I'm genuinely interested.

It's against the law for someone to be helped to die with dignity, but perfectly ok and legal for a government to engineer someones departure via hypothermia :(
The price increases we're seeing year on year are little comfort for the 3 million (you'll have to google the exact figures as I CBA ;)) pensioners spending more than say 10% of their income on fuel bills (some of which are not able to heat their home and have a hot meal on the same day) our government should be ashamed of treating our elderly in this way. :mad:


20,000 pensioners died from the cold last winter | UK | News | Daily Express

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I'm not worried about the arrival of smart meters. I've armed myself with orgone accumulators! They should keep me safe. ;)

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do they compliment a tinfoil hat or should i switch to a crash helmet lined with lead ?

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definitely the latter accyman.

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While it may be easy to dismiss critics as "tin foil hat" wearers :p, smart meters have a few real problems.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7L21XOC2wA

These company's don't give a toss about the elderly folk dying,I think most pensioners have 'paid their dues' and it should be up to our great country to care for them (perhaps raising the state pension would be a good start) and force these utility companies to give reduced rates to pensioners while their at it :(

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Restless is ready for a meter to be fitted.
http://findingdamo.files.wordpress.c...n-foil-hat.png

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"Smart meters will save only 2% on energy bills, say MPs,Installing the meters - which begins in earnest next year will cost £215 per household, or £10.6bn."

Smart meters will save only 2% on energy bills, say MPs - BBC News


Surely,the customer should get rewarded for having one, not charged :confused:
I suppose the energy companies will save a small fortune because they no longer need to send round the meter readers (I bet that went down well,because once these are rolled out most of them will be out of a job).

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I do not want nor will I be forced to have a smart meter.

They are not 100% compulsory despite what the suppliers say.

They are not 100% secure and blaggers can identify my usage patterns and when I am out.
They give out pulses all the time that can interfere with WIFI or my amateur radio equipment.

They will not save me any money at all, they will however save the leccy companies from needing to visit to read the meter, savings that will be unlikely to be passed on to me.

Smart meter - no ta.

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Neither will I be having one of these things.....British gas can shove them up their astrakhan coat!

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Your correct they can't 'force you' to have one, though, do you still have to pay the extra regardless?
I suppose it was the gov/EU idea to have nearly every house fitted with one by 2020.

They're just a expensive waste of time imo,plus they could be dangerous to my health due to the electromagnetic waves...


....No thanks!

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If you genuinely believe they could be detrimental to your health, may I suggest you also refuse to have, wifi, computers, tv's, electric mains and a whole sundry of other devices in your home, they all use and give off electromagnetic waves.

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Of course you may suggest that Less,I'm sure you'd be over the moon if I gave up my computer and wifi but, it's not going to happen though ;)

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I give not a hoot if you stay or go, however if you believe what you claimed, the solution to unhealthy living is in your hands.

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Just phoned my supplier to have a new meter fitted before they take me to court for access. No I am not some weird anti meter eco warrior, just kept forgetting to phone them. I said to her it's none one of those smart meters is it, she laughed and said no. Would appear lots of people are making sure the replacement is a normal one

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Truth is, your correct Less, there are many dangers including the things you listed,mobiles etc.
It is scientifically unacceptable to deny the weight of the evidence regarding the increase in cancer cases from folk that are exposed to high levels of RF/microwave radiation and if that increases due to smart meters being fitted....it's a "No thanks" from me.

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Just make sure they don't try sneak one in on the quite Neil.
It's only hearsay but, I've heard of cases were they have said that then turned up after fitting a smart meter :eek:

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If that was true then electrical and electronic engineers would be dropping like flies, somehow, we seem to survive with no significant reduction to our ranks caused by electromagnetic cancer, strange isn't it?

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Maybe your correct and I'm just fear-mongering :D

Like you say 'my health is in my hands' :)

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I am saying this without malice, yes, you probably are.
If it were true, the insurance companies would never allow people in the electrical business policies, they are always the first to react.
:)

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Im unsure if insurance companies would 'refuse' them policies,however, you rise a good point and it would certainly reflect in the amount they pay for them :).

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Don't worry it wont happen unless I want one

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Why am I not surprised at that Neil? :D

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I know they refuse policies, a fantastic wage offered for working in Iran, insurance wouldn't cover because of the disruption there, I can't blame them, I didn't fancy the job, they have no safety's on the doors of their microwave ovens.

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First let me address the implication that, you, electrical engineers would be "dropping like flies".....

It misses the fact that electromagnetic waves come in an infinite number of frequencies and power and different frequencies have different effects on health. No one would suggest it's OK to be exposed long term to X-rays on the basis farmers work outdoors and are exposed to sun all day. Both light and X-rays are electromagnetic waves. Also people who work in these industries, say X-Ray equipment, take precautions to not expose themselves to it. So similarly no one would argue it's OK to be exposed to X-rays in teh home because engineers who work on X-Ray equipment aren't dropping like flies. Engineers who work on gigahertz RF transmitting equipment ( phone masts, etc ) aren't stupid enough to stand next to these devices while they are switched on. That's probably why they aren't "dropping like flies".

As I'm sure yur we'll aware,It's not all related to frequency of course. given enough voltage and or power, even at 50Hz it can be unhealthy. You wouldn't live under transmission lines on pylons,for example, would you?.....


.....Secondly regarding the fact that a multitude of devices (microwaves) give off electromagnetic waves. Yes that's true, but most of it low level and low frequency and I'm not sure if they transmit at higher levels and frequencies like phones/'smart meters'/wifi etc (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Think of it like smog, physical pollution that you get in cities or old industrial areas. It's accumulative. People didn't drop like flies in these areas, but there is/was a more general level of malaise/ill health.
The level of electromagnetic pollution from Wifi/phones/smart meters is a whole different ball game than that which is given off by traditional electrical devices (but I'm sure you aware of this also).

If an endless stream of wagons started driving past your house pumping out diesel fumes you would be right to complain about it, but no one would suggest you should also ban a lower level of car traffic on the bases they pump out fumes as well.

I prefer to minimise myself from this electromagnetic smog wherever possible and suggest you do the same :D

In addition, Re smart meters, (to carry on my scaremongering ;)), 'I hear' they can be hacked (by burglars etc) to see if your at home :eek:

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Although the above is sort of correct, I and the rest of the engineers are not dying from being exposed so your dramatic post is a waste of space. As for being hacked, I've don't know and as you have only 'heard', neither do you.
The day I take advice from you about my working conditions is the day I throw myself onto a live 3 phase circuit, neither your input nor that action are to be considered by any sane person.
Talk about things you know about such as wandering through derelict buildings.

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Not surprised you put that Midland back in it's box. Who in their right mind would key the mic with the antenna 12" from their head pushed 4 watts RF power on the 11m band? :D

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dont tell me they have webcams lol

yeah i know they are probbably saying if your consumption on the meter shows nothing is been used then your not at home but if a burgular wants to take the chance someone is actually working nights and wants to wake up a guy built like a brick crap house then go for it lol and unless the dog has taken up online gaming while its owner is out they could get bit as well

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If they looked at our consumption when no one was home they would assume we had a house full. I think the house has a leccy leak somewhere

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Yep, according to our latest expert on all things conspiracy, you/we not only have a leak but an absolute tsunami of electrons dashing around causing harm even when we are out.

But as he says safety first eh? Let's err' on the side of caution and condemn everything without even the slightest whiff of proof.

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Damn, time to remove the crocodile clips then. ;)

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Many years ago when I was a young lad I witnessed one of those little boxes that make your meter go backwards. I can't remember where it was now, possibly one of those flats at Avenham Preston in the late 80's. As it was connected the disc slowed down then started spinning backwards faster than it was forward. The more load the faster it wound back.

No before anyone asks I have never lived in a flat in Preston.

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I'm not claiming to be a expert but,I can't see our local drug addicts/burgulars having the skills needed to hack smart meters when it would probably be easier just knocking on the door to see if anyone is home (just thought I'd throw it in the mix :D).

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when it comes to crime with technology in most instances teh smart people make the app that the simpletons click or press on their phones or tablets etc to commit the crime.

its a bit like the ps3 situation where as a very clever person broke the protection on the playstation but millions of people including the most simple brained merely pressed a button to hack their playstation.

i sleep odd hours so when awake at 3am one morning i heard someone trying the back patio door handle.He was clumbersome and probbably not too skilled which left me enough time to go to the loo / cup and provide him with a refreshing shower from the upstairs window.Im assuming he knew i was home after that :D

edit:

and that takes us back to health hazzards i guess

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Of course your no expert, you are a stirrer, jump to conclusions spread inexperience over the site then try to back peddle when you come to your form of senses.
Less walks away muttering, is the fool, REALLY worth answering maybe I should put it on ignore?

Re: It's not so smart to have a 'smart meter'
 

just out of curiosity how many people do you have on ignore

are we talking 1- 5 or could we run a sweepstake :D

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Never have, never intend to BUT.
That burn is taking me close.:o

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if you are been irritated by a bum i think blockage will only cause more problems

may i suggest

http://www.unilever.co.za/Images/Fis...m84-292858.gif

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Are you hinting that if I rub it on the irritation he will disappear?

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for that i think you require Vanish :)

or a hitman ?

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It won't work Less,don't believe him :D ....


Accyexplorer takes a moment whilst sitting on the platform of foolishness waiting for Less's train of incredible intelligence and amazing vocabulary.

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Somehow, I get the feeling I've said this before, 'what a creep', if I haven't then enjoy the sensation, because it is a meaningful statement.

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By the way, still nowt original, when, oh, when, are you going to stop copying the style of other posters and actually put something you've spent time thinking about?

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You will be able to stop screaming then:alright:

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Mine is being fitted in a couple of weeks, an ordinary meter with a isolation switch so I can get my consumer unit replaced at a later date.

Smart meter, smart motorways, smart my backside :p

IMO there are too many gadgets spitting out elecromagnetic crud for me, my steam engine doesnt do that :)

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Well rainbow, they do seem popular (even to you) and no matter how much you and others may object to them, I love em.

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You are fortunate if you aren't affected/afflicted with the sensitivity. Some people have deteriorating health due to exposure to the radiation.

I attach a link to an open letter written by a doctor who recognises the health problems the radiation causes.

Please be thankful that you are unaffected, and don't scorn those who are.

http://www.mcs-aware.org/images/reso...ining%20ES.pdf

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Oh Mag's, you can drag up anything to support either side of the discussion if you go trawling the web.
What shouldn't be allowed is peoples personal hysterical theories to be taken as proof that smart meters, Microwave ovens and many of the other modern day items that you avoid like the plague are all lethal or adverse to the overall health of humanity.
I won't suggest you start living in a cave like our ancient ancestors because you would only go to some weird and wonderful website and deliver proof that the rocks are giving off radiation and could be lethal, (all rocks give off radiation, but not ALL give off enough to stop mankind from improving on sheltering in trees).

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When inventions that you describe as 'progress' cause ill health, even for a few, they are not 'progress' at all - especially when existing systems are providing an adequate service/function.

Smart meters benefit only the fuel supply companies to the detriment of the consumers who happen to be sensitive to their emissions - however few people are affected.

So you appear to support the infliction of ill health on a few in the name of 'progress' which isn't progress at all.

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To post the above must mean your argument is getting weaker, weaker than any radiation emitted by a smart meter in fact.

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I my post if you replace 'however' with 'no matter how' my meaning is clearer.

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Your absolutely right, if only you had done that in the first place you would have converted me forever.

As it is I'll just put it down to more of your woolly headed conspiracy theorists propaganda, i.e. not gaining any logical ground (as if you could, logic rots your brain quicker than an analogue mobile phone), so attack the person with generalizations about how or what he cares about.

Weaker & weaker, becomes your wittering.


:o

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At one time asbestos and DDT were considered safe to use.
The people who campaigned against their use were 'conspiracy theorists' in their time.

As for searching the web for both sides of the argument, I have found a statement by a government minister advocating the virtues of asbestos - he happens to be in power in a country that produces it. Financial considerations always seem to outweigh the damage to health when considering 'progress'.

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Wow! I haven't seen 'All Our Yesterdays' for over 30 years but here we go again, using proof of one thing to back up the very weak arguments about another, Mags, you should be ashamed of yourself, even for you that was a poor quality post.

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You consider that any post you disagree with is 'poor quality', so your post in response adds nothing to the controversy.

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Wrong, I consider any post of 'poor quality' to be of 'poor quality' it's not my fault that they are the only type of post you and the hole digger are capable of posting.:eek:

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Each day we encounter hazards.......some people are affected by some hazards...some are not...which goes to show that each of us is unique and individual.
How we approach hazard and risks depends on how important what we need to do, is to us(as an individual).
I am allergic to penicillin...but Less, you may not be....indeed you may proclaim it to be a wonder drug which has saved your life......but for me it would be a killer.
It is about choice...and knowing ourselves.

We all have a fair idea of our tolerances....and base our lives on these...we make a choice as to the risks we are prepared to take and those which we are not.

The smart meters will not improve my life.......they will not reduce the cost of the energy that I use......the only people who will benefit from them are the energy suppliers.
I was not put on this earth to make life sweeter for them.....so until one of these smart meters is SO damn smart that it can do the cooking, the cleaning, and go out and bring in a living wage....I will decline the offer. That is my choice.

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Margaret P, I am not saying anything like the above which I suspect you already know.
I'm all for freedom of choice based on facts. Have a smart meter, don't have a smart meter your choice, what I can't stand however are the ones (of which I know you aren't one) that come on site and spread unproven conspiracy in some strange attempt to dissuade/frighten others from using them.
I realise you were trying to spread oil on stormy water, my water doesn't need it there isn't a ripple on my little pond caused by these rumour mongers. I will continue to use and work with what I know to be safe no matter how desperate they are to be proved right.

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oh dash......'sussed' again.
Yes you are right......and I know there will be no qualms for you as you work in the field of electronics and understand it far better than many of us.....however, as time goes by we learn things about humans and how things affect us......we still know pretty little about how the human brain works(!).......and what i was trying to put over(and seemingly failing) was that some things which cause no harm to some humans, may have the potentiall to affect others......in spite of what 'experts' tell us.

We have to let others make a choice about what they believe...and in essence you are agreeing with that.......but a healthy dose of scepticism does no harm.
Whatever others say, I think that most of us make our own minds up about things.

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Yes Margaret, I do understand SOME THINGS can have a detrimental effect on one person and not another, there are places when electricity is being used no human being should be present, we aren't talking domestic situations we are talking industrial, unfortunately those that gain a little knowledge exaggerate a combination of the two to cause misrest and misinformation for the gullible.

A smart meter is just that, similar devices doing different tasks are in use in just about every working environment in the world, people aren't dying because of it because the dangerous stuff is kept well away from unqualified people because they don't need it.

I'm not in need of a smart meter, I think it's over use of the technology, but if someone calls to fit one I won't give a monkies, however I see no need to spread stupid rumours about it being bad for my health, because it isn't.

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I have worked on high power radar and other systems for the major portion of my adult life. Yes, there is a danger to human life if safety rules/equipment are not used correctly. There is radiation from all electronic equipment and one must not forget the magnetic fields that are created around every cable/wire carrying electricity - even the kettle or hairdryer causes a magnetic field to be created.
The only way to escape these "threats to health/life" is to remain inside a Faraday Cage and have no electricity whatsoever inside that cage. What a life that would be:rolleyes:

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Canaries and budgies seem happy enough.

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Well no it wouldn't be a life, but if they can encourage others to suffer alongside them...

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Just out of curiosity, has it managed to kill you yet?

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Not quite but as it is just over 50 years since I worked on my first radar transmitter - that particular one did in fact kill one chap, cooked him from inside too out, it has been said that I do occasionally glow in the dark - usually after 4 or 5 doses of GlenMorange

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i cant get my head around these smart meters im way too busy trying to get my soul back out of the camera that stole it

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My favourite

As regards hacking a wireless signal to assess occupancy, it would never work in my house. The only time consumption is low is when I'm home alone, and I've turned off the lights, TVs and computer gear off that the kids left on when they exited the house.

As regards the health hazards of wireless links, once you accept that wireless data comms are there for convenience, all arguments (for and against) get diluted. We do a lot of stuff that generates unnecessary risk to our health, but we put up with it for convenience. We drive* instead of walking. We microwave processed food instead of cooking it fresh. We use insecticide instead of cultivating bug predators. Almost everything we do has a risk factor involved, and we consciously or subconsciously calculate the "return" on that risk.

I'd suggest to the people that are getting upset about the health effects of the miniscule radiation from smart meters should probably consider the health benefits to vulnerable people who no longer have to allow meter readers access to their home, specifically the fake ones with ulterior motives.

* You can't win with this one: I sometimes walk instead of driving, as it's inconvenient to get the car out, and just walking to Tesco generates risk.