Originally Posted by Eric (Post 952585)

Seriously??? ... ok, I'm prepared to listen to a balanced view of the holocaust; we are all sitting comfortably; or maybe we could start off with the Potato Famine, or the burning of witches:rolleyes: ... I think when you say "balance view", you mean "sanitized version" ... so the school cops out, and the kids yawn, go home, and, like Reece, get it off the tv. Of course, if they listen to CNN, or, god forbid, Fox "News" they will get the official right wing version .... not much balance there. Maybe if schools spent more time challenging kids (including "Failure is always an option".), and less time pussyfooting around what is going on in the world they would be way more effective.

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 952593)

No it's not all he said.
If your son watches the news he hopefully gets balanced, unbiased reporting of the facts with both sides explained. He can then make his own mind up, or at least see there are two sides.
Whereas you only appear to accept there is one side- the teachers.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 952603)

You can give background information though, as to why things most likely happened.

You certainly can with the holocaust.

It can be argued the political instability that followed the 1914-18 war, was an ideal breeding ground for extremism to spread it's cancerous growth.

Rarely is anything black, or white.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 952616)

I see your point. And I do agree that most things fall into "grey" ... it's in these grey areas that kids have to think ... I believe that, short of outright indoctrination, and no way was the teacher guilty of that, kids can form their own opinion. I prefer a little bias to sanitization.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 952600)

Should teachers be forced to teach, unobjectively, things they don't think to be true?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 952600)

Have pupils the right to withdraw themselves from the education system, if they don't want to hear what's being taught?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 952621)

So who the devil has ruined your pension? | Money | The Guardian suggest yeh have a sneck at that, was flagged up in 2004, the media were flagged up about it in the 90s, by many sources but in the main kept stum.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 952588)

As i said before in other threads, the reason the pension deficit is large, is cos of pension funds taking pension holidays fer many years, the reason they did that is cos they said the funds were too large. FACT. a fact i am well aware of, only a blinkered moron can fail to accept that fact.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 952666)

It does not only directly blame the government though does it? It list several reasons including people not paying into pension schemes for long enough and for living longer than projected. It also states people do not pay enough into pension pots so it backs up the governments current proposal for increased payments and work longer.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 952667)

I said earlier who is to blame, which is gross mismangement of pension funds simple as, the government are merely making those who were crapped on Pay, instead of the Guilty ones, it was a tory government who first let em get away wi it, n labour did sod all afterwards,:mad: n people are too dense to see it, so they listen to the sanitized version n blame the poor gets that are penalized, pathetic in my view.:(

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 952668)

I agree but who should pay to sort out all those mismanaged pension funds?

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 952585)

Seriously??? ... ok, I'm prepared to listen to a balanced view of the holocaust; we are all sitting comfortably; or maybe we could start off with the Potato Famine, or the burning of witches:rolleyes: ... I think when you say "balance view", you mean "sanitized version" ... so the school cops out, and the kids yawn, go home, and, like Reece, get it off the tv. Of course, if they listen to CNN, or, god forbid, Fox "News" they will get the official right wing version .... not much balance there. Maybe if schools spent more time challenging kids (including "Failure is always an option".), and less time pussyfooting around what is going on in the world they would be way more effective.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 952547)

I remember questioning everything I was told from the age of 6 on at school.

I have never voted the way my parents voted and my political opinions were only influenced by my Grand-mother who was the biggest anti-Thatcherite the planet has ever seen. I have letters from my Grandad in which he writes to me about her latest laments about that lady in the 1980's...

There was a wonderful documentary called Seven which took a group of youngsters of that age in the early 70's and followed their lives , filming them every 7 years. Fascinating stuff -the 7 yr old child was nearly always recogniseabe in the adult they became...

Originally Posted by sm_counsell (Post 952673)

Funny you should mention that programme, I was just talking about it yesterday. Can you remember the name of it as I'd like to do some research.
To get back to the thread, brainwashing ( on religion not politics!)= was on the curriculum at Paddock House. I've been left with a lot of scars! Here in Sicily,it appears to be a teacher's right to influence (politically ) her students and in some cases the various high schools are chosen because of their political leanings!