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Sydney school accused of stealing Christmas

Australia has always been considered a Christian country,albeit having the most diverse migration of people from all over the globe with their own religious views.But this school has kow towed to the minority at the expense of the other kids wanting to celebrate Christmas.The angry parent,I believe has got it right.......what are your thoughts?

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I thought the Aussies weren't the kind to give in to such ideas. :confused:

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Go and sling a boomerang through the head mistress's window, with a message written on it:

"Stick your multi-cultural chyte and your political correctness back down your dunny hole"

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I'm with Tealeaf on this one.

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thres a flaw with your plan.As it stands she wouldnt get to read the message ;)

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Send me a few Nori,s......they might do the trick.:)

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Point is, I don't believe the majority of muslims or the jews et al are at fault ... it's the pc nazis, those folks who, for some weird reason, assume that other cultures will be offended by our celebating Christmas:confused:

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Oh ... and Merry Christmas;):alright:

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The school is blaming just one teacher now, for this stupidity. because most of her class is made up of muslims.

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Think you've got that in one Eric, its like that in this country, most people from other religions don't give a monkeys about how we celebrate Christmas, its just the same numpties saying what other races might think and getting it horribly wrong, the problem is, by their actions they are helping to fuel racial prejudice, but the dummies just can't see it

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Agree with that..the only time I've ever had someone complain about Christmas was from a former boss... he was a jehovas witness.

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Anyway, here's an update on the Christmas story:

Digital Christmas Story

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Brilliant, Tealeaf, loved it.

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That was excellent Tealeaf. :D:D:D:D

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Very 'Xmas'. Very American. Very Funny!

VERY FUNNY BANNED BUD LIGHT COMMERCIAL - YouTube

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Brilliant that T

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Don't ya just love the Yanks:D

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Spot on, Jaysay. You only have to look at the number of Asian households throughout the borough that are displaying Christmas Trees to pooh-pooh the stupidity of such a philosophy. Reckon it's time we made adhering to PC policies a capital offence.

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Ya hang the stupid dogooders, that will sort out a load of problems:(

No you just ignore them, the worse thing you could do is hang them, nature abhors a vacuum and another lot of dogooders would automatically appear to fill the void, these replacements would probably be worse than the first lot. (New broom syndrome).

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in all fairness I am not of a religious nature (to put it mildly!) and as such do not celebrate christmas as such but rather the midwinter festival and yuletide. Although I do not wish the religious rubbish of ANY denomination rammed down my child's throat I enter into the spirit of the time of year with santa claus and trees and decorations etc.. I also understand that as a multicultural society (whether I believe it should be or not) we must endeavour to accept religious differences Ie. you have your beliefs and I have mine and our forefathers fought and died for us to have that luxury. As such schools must be seen to include all faiths into the festivities of this time of year and as such we now have multicultural dramatic interpretations to watch instead of the more traditional. What I do not agree with is the forceful way in which our children are led, and in some cases forced to believe that the fairy tale/myth/legend (whichever you wish to call it) that is the nativity and other stories (ergo the bible) is a true historical fact even though it defies all logic and scientific discoveries of the last 2011 years.I do not mind it being taught that this is what SOME people believe along with other faiths, after all we must be tolerant to all cultures and beliefs. So yes why not celebrate midwinter and yuletide in a multicultural way so that everyone can enjoy it and not just those of (and I use the term loosely) "christian" beliefs that appear most prominent at this time of year.

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You totally missed the point, the teacher was trying to obliterate Christmas, for fear of upseting other faiths, when other faiths don't give a monkeys.

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no i haven't as I said, I do not agree with abolishing christmas in schools but I do believe it should be a multi-cultural event to INCLUDE all faiths and cultures and not forced christianity. I agree the teacher went TOO far.

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I was in the B&M store in Preston recently and there were as many Asian families in there buying Christmas paraphernalia as other folk.......they put decorations up, and although they do not celebrate Christmas the way we do they buy presents for their children.

Many of the Christmas traditions are known to have their roots in pagan festivals, they were adopted by the church so that the pagans could be encompassed in the church and still follow some of the rituals.....making them feel 'at home' so to speak.

I do not mind when other cultures celebrate their religious festivals....Eid Diwali, just to mention two........these people do not mind us celebrating our religious festival....it is the meddling PC brigade who do my box in, by being offended for the other cultures, when the other cultures clearly are not offended at all.
I wish they would all go and boil their heads...and this is from someone who doesn't really like Christmas very much.
We should not steal the magic of Christmas from the children....it will disappear for them soon enough, and become just another commercial event.

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Agreed Margaret - we have a Sikh and a Hindi family living on our farm and they decorate for Xmas and send each other presents, as it's what is done here...doesn't seem to bother them at all. In fact the kids are glad as they get presents.:)

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Perhaps they should change it's name to something more befitting to commercialism, instead of trying to pretend that it's still some form of religious festival. :D

I am indebted to the Christians, as reluctant as I am to celebrate this season of joy, I always get roped in and join in with some form of these celebrations, however, if I really, really, think about it...

Every time We celebrate it, the only people these days that are going to make anything from this season of joy are the Chinese, we pay a fortune every year for absolute tat, but we don't even get any money back on the empty containers we ship back to them.

How many billion of them are there?

What exactly is their religion?

Well it doesn't really matter, they are happy to allow us our culture, it's worth a fortune.

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we are currently on holiday in the gambia which is a muslim country. there are xmas trees and decoration all over the place. the gambins go all out to make the holidaymakers feel welcome and are only too happy to share in the festivities. btw its 40c today and we are enjoying a beer at the poolside. its a hard life. back to reality monday.

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In the newspaper yesterday there was a story about a Muslim woman who has been trying to get her husband the right to live in this country...they have been married for 37 years......she has lived here for 6 years and speaks very little english...the court case had to be conducted through the service of interpreters........and the case was thrown out because she told the court that her husband would never be able to learn English.

What the heck has this to do with Christmas I hear you ask?
This muslim woman said it was against her human rights for her to be separated from her husband at Christmas time.

Laughable isn't it?

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No doubt some dogooder will put her right and tell her its not Christmas but Winter Fest:rolleyes:

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Gambia was part of the commonwealth for many years and Groove believes thats why they have the traditions of Christmas.

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Nearly but not quite, Groove, quote from Wikipedia: On 18 February 1965, Gambia gained independence from the United Kingdom and joined The Commonwealth.

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I reckon I've worked out why you choose to reside in a deep, dark hole. Takes all sorts. Christmas, for me and mine, has always been about family and children. What better reward is there than to see the grin on a child's face come Christmas morning. Works for me.

How thick are you?

Christmas, it sort of gives you a clue, it isn't multicultural it is a celebration for Christian's for the birth of their Messiah.
The guy they celebrate does feature in other religions but in a lesser role, he is recognised by, for example Jews & Muslims, but isn't the son of God.
Christianity, Judaism or being a Muslim isn't an interfaith thing, they have similarities but they have differences.
To say to a Christian become multicultural must surely be as much of an insult as to force other religions to celebrate Christmas against their will.
The idea surely is tolerance?
When a Christian celebrates Christmas, the others say, good luck to you have a good time, they don't expect or want a compromise, you enjoy your beliefs, lets all thank our respective God(s) that society allows us all to celebrate in our own idealistic ways without the threat of being hung drawn & quartered.

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The muslim children still get a holiday from school at christmas

Of course they do, the schools are shut.
I dare say any Christian kids living in a muslim Country also find the schools shut when there are celebrations going on.

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Well I never thought I'd say this, but that Less, was a first class post, to the point with no messing about, think it makes the point very succinctly, brilliant

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Hear, hear.

I do apologise normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

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correct me if I am wrong but the festival celebrated at this time of year was and always has been the midwinter festival, well before the so called arrival of this character they call jesus. Christianity jumped on the bandwagon and took over this festival as their own to incorporate and include the pagan and celtic indigenous people of this country therefore turning it into a multicultural event. It is also I believe, that it is a well known fact that this jesus character was born nowhere near december. NOW WHO'S THE THICK ONE? and in future please try to make your posts a little less personal as if you were to actually meet me you would find that I am a little more intelligent than you seem to think!

There was a winter celebration by the Pagans and if you wish to think it has been taken over by the Christians your welcome to do so.

However that does not mean that Christians in what is claimed to be a Christian Country, should have to compromise their beliefs just to make Christmas fit in with other peoples desires for a mid winter jollification.

As an atheist I shan't be celebrating the birth of Gods son, but I won't be demanding that they should change their celebration to fit in with any plans I may have.

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As Less said previously, it is all about tolerance of one anothers views and beliefs.
And at this time of year it doesn't matter what religion you are.......you can be tolerant.....it costs nothing and hurts no-one and is better than the alternative.

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Exactly right Margaret, but whats happening is dogooders have been second guessing what other denominations think and getting it totally wrong. If I went to live in a Muslim country I wouldn't expect them to change there celebrations to suit my beliefs, but neither do other denominations living here expect us to do either, and the clowns that like to think they are helping our multicultural society are having exactly the opposite effect

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and there was me thinking we were a multicultural society! so much for your so called tolerance, personally I believe that everyone has the right to celebrate what they want, how they want. I celebrate the midwinter festival at the same time as others celebrate christmas yet you say I should compromise MY beliefs to fit around christan ones? very double standard if you ask me.

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Yer missing the point completely jedi, everyone certainly has the right to celebrate their beliefs, but they sure as hell aint any right to stop the host country celebrating theres.

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that's my point cashy, they already have, we traditionally are a nation of pagan and celtic beliefs christianity was brought by the invaders of this fine nation, who in a bid to "civilise" our fine nation began to celebrate the birth of their messiah at the same time as our traditional midwinter festival SATURNALIA ( celebrating the birth of the sun god) so as to incorporate us into THEIR religion, considering the fact that scriptually jesus was born in approximately september there is no other reason why his birth should be celebrated on the 25th december. However I accept it as part of our multicultural society and am happy for people to celebrate it how they wish.
I also agree with the magic that is in the air at this time of year for our children with the lights,presents and of course the jolly man in red (a marketing ploy on behalf of coca cola) and would not wish to destroy it for them, However I do not agree with the way that (as all religions do) christianity is portrayed as the one and only true religion at this time of year. Forget not that jesus was a hebrew and as such, technically all true believers should of course celebrate chanuka, or festival of lights at this time of year yet only the jewish faith does.

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just another side point, don't forget that christianity was FORCED on the people of this country by the roman catholic church and such devices as the inquisition (along with a few corrupt churchmen)

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We were in Asda yesterday...in the doorway there is a Christmas tree with names of disadvantaged children on it....the idea is to take the name of a child off the tree, buy a gift and then hand it in to customer services along with the tag.....they will then see that the child receives the gift.
I noticed that there were asian names on the tree(and yes, I do know that there are indians who are christians) but if these names relate to muslim children, then they are not so offended by Christmas, if they allow these children to be given a Christmas gift.

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You're wrong.

Christianity wasn't brought to Britain by warring 'invaders'.

It's widely accepted that it was St. Augustine, who first brought Christianity to these shores, in 597 A.D.

More or less midway between the last two times mainland Britain was invaded, first by the Romans, and lastly by the Normans.

I'm an atheist, but living in a country with a long Christian heritage, I shall be celebrating Christmas.

You can shove your Winter Festival where the mistletoe don't shine.

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You'd be better off arguing it was the invading foreign Celts, who brought paganism to these islands.

;)

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Is there something wrong with you or summat, this ain't about you, its about dogooders telling the the indigenous population that we should change the name of Christmas in case it upsets ethic minorities from other religions, the only thing wrong with that is other religions don't give a toss and in a lot of cases celebrate Christmas themselves

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Didn't Oliver Cromwell ban Christmas?

Yes he did, and the miserable booger banned mince pies saying they were papist.

Well I'm no chef but I reckon they are pastry!

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We are multi-cultural country. Though one with a mainly Christian heritage.

The majority of people in this country aren't regular attendees, at any place of organised religion. Fact.

Those who are, are freely able to do so.

I've just had a Christmas card off one of my best friends, Tina.

A lovely Geordie lass, who also happens to be proudly part of one of the oldest Jewish families in the north-east.

Being Jewish is her religion, and doesn't define who she is.

She's first and foremost a Geordie.

A Geordie who'll happily wish her mates a happy Christmas.

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No booing and hissing in the theatres too, as he closed those as well.

The miserable, puritanical, warty faced sod.

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Er...the Celts weren't idigenous to Britain.

They invaded these islands.

From where they originated, in what's now Switzerland and Austria, via southern France, and Spain.

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Nor did the Inquisition operate in Britain-it was set up in Spain in the late 1400's and was a purely Spanish operation.
If your King turned Christian it was a good idea to join him-force was rarely needed, just common sense!

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Theres n excuse fer this..........Jedi was up sydney st sat night.:D

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Shouldn't that read 'midwinter decorations', 'mini Jedi's first midwinter festival', and 'midwinter festival tree'?

Midwinter's commercialised tat sounds pretty much like Christmas's.

Happy midwinter.

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errm no i'm not wrong, as I quite rightly said, christianity was forced on the people of this country by the roman catholic invaders we were not a christian country until this happened and jesus birth has got naff all to do with the december festival. however i am sure i also pointed out that all faiths and beliefs should be respected and all people in this country should be free to celebrate what they want, how they want free from the prejudice of anyone who believes differently, yet you say I am the one that is in the wrong after telling me where to stick my own beliefs. a very prejudiced view imho.

let us just say (without too much graphic detail) that I have my beliefs and you are welcome to yours. The difference is I would be willing to stand up for you to have those beliefs rather than tell you where to stick them!

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nowt wrong with me mate, my simple point was that i can see both sides of the story, no christmas shouldn't be banned in case of offence but on the other hand christianity shouldn't be forced on people who have other beliefs. quite simple really

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think you need to alter your google searches gary, as they actually were a migratory race thought to originate from asia minor, invading and settling throughout europe making their way to britain, all before christianity came here

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I am not being fly here, but do you consider that Christianity is forced upon you......and if so what way??
I personally, would not consider that the wishing someone a Merry Christmas was forcing Christian beliefs at anyone...any more than the banners which proclaim Eid Greetings or Diwali greetings force those religions on anyone.
Now, if you lived in a muslim country and tried to practise a Chrisitan faith and were not allowed to do so....and were hounded to become muslim then that is an entirely different matter.
Muslims who convert to christianity(or any other faith) for that matter are guilty of Apostasy and can be killed for their beliefs.

In the main, I think that the UK is very tolerant of other religions.

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That's were your talking cobblers, we are actually talking about whats going on today not thousands of years ago, we have come a long way since then, but I can't remember anybody telling Muslims they have to change to christian beliefs, or change their festival of light or what ever its called to placate the christian majority in Britain, but we sure as hell here the word Christmas being changed to winter fest, because of the offence it may cause to other denominations, the only problem being its not the other denominations who are demanding it, its misguided dogooders second guessing, something that does more harm than good

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jedimaster,who were these Roman Cathlic invaders who imposed Christianity on us?
The Normans were the first Catholic invaders and we were already a Catholic nation by then!
I think you protest your neutrality overmuch!

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Also the Celts were always a European group of tribes- their language was one of a group of Indo European languages-that means they have a common basis of language not race or tribe!

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That man speaks a lot of sense

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To be absolutely correct, the festival of light if you're talking about Diwali is Hindu not Muslim.The Jewish Hanukkah is also known as the Festival of Light(s).

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I'm still waiting for these hordes of muslims who are supposedly somewhere in Daily Mail land, ready and waiting to stop me celebrating Christmas. Ain't seen any yet but I know they're out there!

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you have just answered your own question!

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?? If we were already Catholic they didn't impose it on us, did they?

Back on thread, if the different religeons all say 'Go ahead, celebrate Christmas how you like, we don't mind or care' where does the PC brigade get these silly ideas from? Is it a cunning plan to run down Christianity in this country( because they're atheists) but blame the other religeons for it happening?

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very much my way or the highway then, I thought the human race had evolved over the last 2000 or so years obviously I was wrong (or is that just another minority race?). However you want to dress it up we are a nation of multiple faiths and beliefs an have been for centuries, Hell even the christians can't agree on what they believe! hence the constant warring over it. As a modern and TOLERANT nation we must accept that change happens therefore schools and multi faith organisations are going to incorporate all religions and beliefs. MOVE WITH THE TIMES PEOPLE no-one is saying if you believe in jesus you can't celebrate it but what IS being said is that in a multi faith environment such as our schools adjustments will be made so no-one is left out and I can't see anything wrong with that!
I remember (and this in part will answer margaret's question) when I was at school ALL school assemblies were aimed at christianity and anyone not of the christian faith was made to stand at the back by the school office and not take part (with the parents agreement of course) in our school we had 1 jehova's witness and that poor girl was the ONLY person singled out, on her own now at the time we (or I at least) used to envy her not having to stand through those damn boring assemblies every morning, but thinking back I feel so sorry for her segregated from the rest of the school, she also couldn't take part in the festivities at christmas, AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHAT IS CHANGING. Instead of segregating individuals on a basis of race or faith, make the events inclusive! Here endeth the lesson.

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I'm an atheist but I'd rather see Christmas celebrated with a Christian emphasis than all the tacky commercialism that goes with it these days. And let all the other faiths get on with their festivals as well.

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If there's any vicars reading this thread, they must be jumping with joy. Who would've thought there were so many ardent Christians out there? I reckon the churches'll be full to overflowing next week!

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That's not what we're on about, Wyonie. I'm certainly not an ardent Christian and I won't be going to church but I do object to the traditions of those who are Christians being eroded, not by other religeons but by those who have appear to have none.

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So, explain to me how they're being eroded by "those who appear to have none" (which would seem to include you!).

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Well Jedi, it was the same when I was at school probably a lot longer ago than when you were at school....and yes they were Christian assemblies......but you didn't have to attend them. I remember one of my classmates absented herself from them because as she explained to the head teacher...she didn't believe in all that religion stuff.
She chose to spend assembly time in our library.....it was her choice, which was respected. I do not recall any other pupils doing this.
Assemblies were for delivering school news, as well as giving a religious start to the day.
I am pretty sure I was told that religion was the one and only subject which had(by law) to be taught in schools. I don't know if this was decreed by Henry Tudor - he did have a big hand in the religion of this country.

These days it is different, schools have different assemblies and have them less frequently.

You are right when you say that people of many races now inhabit this country....this does not automatically make us multicultural....many of these cultures do not integrate fully into the communities where they live.....this is their choice.

I certainly do not want to celebrate Eid, Diwali or Hannukah........this is my choice...but I do not begrudge those who do wish to celebrate these religious festivals from doing so.

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and where did catholicism originate? I ask myself, oh yes...... THE ROMANS!

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For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine “legalized” Christianity with the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

A quotation from "got questions.org"

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I quite agree i do not begrudge anyone believing what they wish.

There was no choice in my school, you either stood through the very religious assembly or you were excluded if you had a parental request to do so. The girl in question still had to stand there she was just made to stand at the back of the hall.

this was only a single incident, I can also recall my daughter coming home from school having been taught about the nativity as if it was the truth and the ONLY truth and not in my eyes what SOME people belive. Christianity is always taught in schools as the foremost religion and everything else as THE OTHER RELIGIONS. religion should be taught objectively and with EQUAL emphasis or not at all! As i have said before not even the various christian sects can agree on what they believe so how can it be taught as the truth.

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by traditions,I assume you mean marketing ploys to increase income for major retailers!

for example:
christmas trees (introduced by the scandanavians)
santa (a marketing tool for coca cola)
lights (again from chanuka)
turkey (not introduced until victorian times, a favourite of victoria and albert who became the main trendsetters for it)

I could go on but these ancient christian traditions seem very modern to me and also nothing to do with christianity

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No, I'm afraid you are wrong, yet again.

Like you were, when you said the Celts were indigenous to Britain.

Any evidence, dates etc., when this invasion began, and forced the poor population to become Christians?

Not a very tolerant lot are they?

These Winter Festivalists.

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If you don't celebrate Christmas, why post on here, mentioning Christmas trees, Christmas decorations, and this being your child's first Christmas?

I'm afraid we've already cast this year's Accy Web nativity.

All except for the ass.

How you fixed?

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Quite agree, makes it easier for me to be an atheist.

By the way your Jehovah's Witness couldn't take part in the festivities at christmas - they eschew all festivities including Christmas.

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Pray tell, who the friggin' Holly Willoughby is being 'forced' to celebrate Christmas against their will, in this country?

I honestly didn't think there were any actual people, who believed all this p.c. crap.

Guess I do now.

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It was actually the German Prince Albert, who popularised the Christmas tree.

It became fashionable after the Royal family were pictured with one, in the Illustrated London News.

Everyone's fully aware of how Christmas traditions came about.

What we'd all really like to know is who is being forced to celebrate Christmas against their will?

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I think that schools would find it hard to teach all religions objectively...though they could(and do) teach about other faiths.
I was taught about the nativity when I was growing up too, but I cannot say in all honesty that I believed all of it...but then isn't that what faith is about.......knowing in a common sense way that something cannot be true, but having a belief anyway.

All of our laws are based on Christian tenets(whichever bit of christianinty you follow - because roman catholicism is still based around Christ)...all educational establishments started in monasteries....so the structure of society was built around religion.
Whether you choose to follow it or not.
As for many of the Christmas traditions being marketing ploys.......Santa was always dressed in green prior to Coca Cola hijacking the image for advertising purposes, but he did stillexist in the minds of the people. Christmas trees were popularised by Prince Albert(no commercialism there - he just wanted to follow the tradition of his homeland) and bringing into the home green boughs, holly, spruce etc were remnants of the pagan festival of Saturnalia......the lights.....well you could say they have been borrowed from other religions, but in the dark of midwinter it would have been normal to have candles lighting up the home...and I am of an age when they used to put wax candles on christmas trees to illuminate them......there were no fairy lights.

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And Paganism wasn't forced on people? Haven't you seen the 1973 documentary film 'The Wicker Man'?

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Reading through this thread makes me think jedi has got the wrong end of the stick it was about the predominant religion in a country being forced to take a back seat to avoid offending a more minority religion.His facts about Christianity seem to be a little off kilter, i myself was a pupil at a church school St Christophers and do not practise any religion. But if people want to follow their god thats up to them, but to be in what is traditionally (like it or not jedi) a christian country and expect the populous of that country to curb their religious beliefs for fear of offence is wrong. And by the way Christmas trees have their origins in latvia, Lithuania , and Germany, in the 13th and 14th centuries and became more popular here after Queen Victoria married Prince Albert.

Sorry just spotted rindy has cleared up about the christmas tree.

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You could have always sent her to a Jewish, Muslim, or even a non-denominational school.

Didn't you find out what she'd be taught, before packing the poor mite off to it?

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I'm an atheist, who was brought up in a family with a long history of Methodism.

I don't care tuppence what any religionists want to do, or how they celebrate their festivals.

I'm very tolerant.

Tolerant as long as they don't ring my bell and try to save me, stone me, burn me, or try to throw me off a tower.

If they don't, I'll happily let them get on with whatever lights their holy flame.

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Yes.

They weren't indigenous to Britain, as you tried to suggest.

No need for Google.

Cursed with a good memory.

Remember being taught about the migration of the Celts at infant school.

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So you've latched your own Midwinter Festival on with everyone else's Christmas celebrations, on the 25th of December?

Rather than celebrating the winter solstice today, the 22nd?

Isn't that what your Christian 'invaders' did?

I suppose that brings us full circle.

By the way, just because something's taught, no one's forced to believe anything that they don't want to.

Everyone has personal choice, when it comes to what their own beliefs are.

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Well I'm not surprised you can't find um in the Mail Wyn, they're usually hiding in the Guardian and Independent:rolleyes:

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Ya but Nicolas Cage made a better fire in the remake than Edward Woodward did in the original:D

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Wrong end of the stick, he's not even in the same tree WM;)

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Well I tend to agree Rindi, I'm an RC, but that doesn't mean I have to be blinkered and believe anything because the "church" says so, that's why I have my own views on contraception and homosexuality, views I have formed through life experience, not what some guy in Rome says what I should believe. Take contraception, can't stand bloke setting down the rules when he don't play the game, its not the "church" that have to bring up the kids.

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Seems like I stirred up a hornets nest here.......nevertheless it is interesting reading peoples views......
Merry Xmas........;)

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Are we not in danger of making a mountain out of a molehill here?

I don't see anyone being prevented from celebrating Christmas, either religiously or otherwise in this country. Plenty of Asian families round our way with Christmas trimmings up. Lots of carol singing, nativity scenes, angels and all the rest of it in evidence here, there and everywhere.

As for that hoary old myth about Winterval replacing Christmas, even the Daily Mail have had to admit they got that one wrong:

We stated in an article on 26 September that Christmas has been renamed in various places Winterval.
Winterval was the collective name for a season of public events, both religious and secular, which took place in Birmingham in 1997 and 1998.

We are happy to make clear that Winterval did not rename or replace Christmas.

Personally, I'm far more concerned about being prevented from getting to the bar in every pub I go in to drink sufficient quantities of ale, due to the hordes of amateur drinkers who descend on us at this time of year. Now THAT'S summat worth complaining about! ;)

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Ya them Muslims are murder Wyn:D:D