Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958696)

Being a lifelong non smoker. I fully agree that the smoking ban has killed most of our pubs and WMC's. They should have kept a smoke room and just banned smoking at the bar area and lounge. The smoking ban is a joke .The smokers stand in the pub doorways and you have to walk past the smoke to go in. Bring back Smoke rooms

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 958670)

1. The wholesale price of beer and spirits to WMCs which has to be passed on to the consumer.
2. The economic climate that makes drinking out a luxury that many have to forego.
3. The increased costs of heating, lighting, rates etc
4. The smoking ban.
5. The lack of appeal of working men's clubs to young people.
6. Cheap supermarket alcohol.

Each of the above has been an extra nail in the coffin not just of WMCs, but also many local pubs.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958696)

Being a lifelong non smoker. I fully agree that the smoking ban has killed most of our pubs and WMC's. They should have kept a smoke room and just banned smoking at the bar area and lounge. The smoking ban is a joke .The smokers stand in the pub doorways and you have to walk past the smoke to go in. Bring back Smoke rooms

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 958612)

Well bully or you Graham, a few years ago....so that was before you sold you constituents out for the bright lights of Westminster. Good of you to take your snout out of the trough to reply to this, however it would be nice to see you responding to the thread regarding yourself.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958850)

Dyers and Finishers is now a private club Stanley Street Club

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958855)

yep correct max, am losing the plot.:d

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 958856)

um:d

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958864)

Yep but unlike some, i hold me hand up.;):D

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 958841)

I think personal comments only undermine your case by the way. I have always said their is a lack of credible or coherent argument from the right.

I am proud to have voted to defend workers rights and environmental legislation (which is what this was all about if you followed it closely). It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with.

Keeping on thread - as someone who often goes in Peels 4 WMC's - and lives in Peel Ward (23 years), I think it is a ridiculous statement to say i am out of touch.

Their is a great danger that I have said many times, we are moving from real community activism towards a concept described by some as keyboard warriors. That not only is reality is disappearing but a human side of life where we actually care for each other.