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Live and let live Is what I say on this subject.

Kestrelx-- I don't see what drugs has to do with this subject. Just seems a little like you are trying to provoke these guys.

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Think your right Restless, then he goes sulky and throws his teddy out the pram, when he gets put firmly in his place, ravages of earlier habits, sad really

Good grief, if playing with it means I'm homosexual then I've been gay since about the age of ten & I imagine, so have most other men.

:o

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And from what we've seen on here Less he still is:rolleyes:

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Barack Obama's support for gay marriage has guaranteed it will be a big issue in the forthcoming election.

Hopefully it will show up the narrow mindedness and bigotry of those opposed to it, and will bring equality that little bit closer.

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I don't think it will, it is a cynical ploy to catch votes...and I'm sure that many americans will see through his abysmal opportunism.

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It seems Barack ain't quite as popular as he once was, seems to be panicking somewhat

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But his likely opponent Romney can't even get the support of all the Republicans. Obama will be re-elected.

He might not go down too well in the bible belt with his gay marriage comments, but I can't see him losing any sleep about that!

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At least the yanks won't be hobbled by EU regulations.

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What are the EU regulations on same sex marriage ? :confused:

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Work it out Mancie...I'm sure you are capable of that.

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Work what out?.. you stated that Obama would not be restricted by EU regulations in regard to same sex marriage...I asked you what regulations do the EU have one same sex marriage...could you give me some insight into what those regulations are?

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The EU don't have any regulations on same sex marriage and strangely enough, neither do the ECHR.

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I think you are dead wrong on this one, hon. I think that Obama's decision comes from conviction. And, on the whole, it is voter neutral. People who are in favor of same sex unions would vote Democrat anyway ... and those who oppose it (along with taxes, affirmative action, govt. funded health care, a woman's right to control over her body ... this right is, I believe, guaranteed by the ninth and fourteenth ammendments ... ) would never vote Democrat anyway. Take North Carolina, for example, if Obama got rid of all taxes, and promised that everyone over the age of two would get a free assault rifle, he still couldn't take that State. It doesn't help Romney one bit. He has enough problems trying, as a Mormon, to convince the ultra-right, born again Christian nutbars to support him. Most of these idiots consider Romney too liberal.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Still don't see why this is an issue in the US and the UK.:confused:

I would like to find some stats on how gays vote ... I have a feeling that they tend to vote in large numbers.

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In the poll on this thread 28.21% voted gay marriage was 'a step too far' and 35.90% voted to 'stick to civil partnerships'.

Does that mean 64.11% of these voters are narrow minded bigots? Reading the posts I think not.

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There must be something in the ubiquitous ECHR that covers it...everything else seems to be covered by it.
Maybe they will formulate something so that they have left no stone unturned.

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It just seems that he losing popularity and looks to outsiders(I am an outsider) like a vote catching ploy. Maybe it is the cynic in me...I have run out of my anti-cynicism pills...must get some more tomorrow.

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Specially for you Mancie. I never mentioned anything about Barack Obama in this post...or anything to do with Gay marriage.......my statement was short and sweet. All I said was that the yanks would not be hobbled by EU regulations...you made your own inferences about what.

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Oh cheers for that.. and just for you any legislation regarding same sex marriage made by the UK government could not be restricted or "hobbled" by the EU.;)

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Couldn't it? It seems to get into every other place quite easily.

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Well, in a way there is...

Strasbourg court rules that states are not obliged to allow gay marriage | Antoine Buyse | Law | guardian.co.uk

They've ruled that countries aren't obliged to have same sex marriages which I suppose is the same as saying they don't have any rules on it.

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See...I knew there would be some directive or other.

EU meddling gets on my...erm...mammaries.
As I said to Eric...I have run out of my anti-cynical pills.

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ECHR and EU are different. But what they're saying is they're not going to tell individual countries whether or not they should have same sex marriages, they're going to leave it up to the country in question. I wish they'd do more of that!

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Yes Steve, they are different.......I have got to the point now where everything to do with Europe, the EU and ECHR brings me out in hives.

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You just can't beat a truly impartial view on some issues of today..no matter what Europe is to blame :)

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I didn't say I was impartial. I have my views...you don't have to share them.

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I don't think Obama did a great job ... but, given what GWB left him, and the mess the economy was in, and the two unwinnable wars, etc. ... he did ok. Maybe folks expected miracles from him because he was black. The miracle was that a black man actually made it into the White House. That says positive things about him, and also about Americans in general. But even with your cynicism about politicians, he has tried to give Americans some of what they want: Health care. And when prompted by events, probably the North Carolina decision to ban gay unions, he didn't take cover behind an impenetrable wall of politcal bs and equivocation, he stated his position. He'll probably win in November, but whether that is because of his record in office, or because of the split in the Republican party is open to debate. He's getting lots of cash support: The banquet fundraiser at George Clooney's mansion alone brought in millions. And I know a lot of moderate Republicas might not vote because they are afraid of the growing power of the lunatic right. He's got some catchy slogans: "Bin Laden's Dead: General Motors Isn't":D

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That confirms it then Eric...it is the cynic in me...I'll get the double strength version.
I think many of theBritish electorate are jaundiced about politics and politicians - maybe that has more than a little to do with how we have been sold down the river......told we could have a referendum on the EU.......promised we would have a chance to reform the Human Rights fiasco..promised that fees would not rise for higher education.......lots of things...none of which have thus far materialised.
Maybe it is different on that side of the pond.

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I agree, Eric, whatever his faults, he's miles better than the clown they had in before (remember, the one who Blair trotted behind like a little poodle). In particular, he should be given credit for attempting to set up a universal system of healthcare. The fact that he and others are derided as some kind of extreme socialist radicals for attempting to do says a lot about the values of the USA. The majority of British people regard an NHS as one of the prerequisites of a civillised democracy, yet it's seen as some sort of subversive measure by the American Right. I'd vote for him if I lived over there!

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I have heard that he is a closet Stanley fan, and that a decent season next year might bring him out.;):D

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Him and Michelle will be quite welcome on the Clayton End next season with me and Cashy. Might even buy 'em a couple of pies.

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Not all that different at all, hon. But Obama is doing the best he can. Remember, his unofficial title as the "most powerful man in the Free World", doesn't take into account that he has to work with a Republican dominated Congress. And don't forget that he is trying to govern a country where millions are two goose steps to the right of Attilla the Hun and who think he is nothing more than an uppity yankee nigger who would look real good swinging from a tree.

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You don't vote and proclaim all political parties are useless but seem to have a definite view on the UK economy by your posts supporting the Con-Dem government ..you also seem to have a particular view on the EU and have made it clear on this forum you want out of the union..have you thought of voting for UKIP ?.. just a question.

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And if he can't make it, just send Michelle. What a foxy lady:theband: Oh, and get in touch with the Secret Service so that they can provide a translator, just in case she wants to speak to Cashy. Maybe someone could present her with a flat cap, a whippet and a pair of clogs to take back for the President.;)

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You can marry someone of the same sex but must always mark the 'other' box when filling in questionaires about what sex you are.

:D

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The late Pierre Trudeau, a Liberal politician I actually admired, once proclaimed that "[the] State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." That about sums up the attitude of the majority of Canadians. And if two people want to get married, what's the problem:confused:

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Mancie...you and I know that what you have posted is tripe, tosh.
I didn't vote at the last General election....and I have outlined the reason for this many times.
Yes, I have views on the UK economy......isn't that something I have in common with many rightminded people? Maybe you don't have the same views but you still have them right?
I did not vote for this governement as you well know......so how does that constitute support for it? The next vote I cast will be for a politician who has core values which reflect mine,who I trust and will do a good job...and it does not matter what flag they go under.....I am not hidebound by party political dogma.

And having posted this, all before, on other threads at other times...you know this. you are just being contentious(and I am being patient - but it is wearing thin)...as usual.

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What about a pint in Oakleigh before the game Wyn :D

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Thought you'd realise by now everything Mancie posts is tripe.

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Some of your posts are pretty offal ;)

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Ya don't have to read um:rolleyes:

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Oh yes she does, it's her job, she reads them, then PM's everyone with a translation of what they mean.
:)

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They actually mean something:confused::D

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Never PMs me so I'm always in the dark:D

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Of course not, doesn't want to put you off.
:rolleyes:

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I'm not against same sex marriage, as long as they don't rub it in my face, I could have phrased that better, but you know what I mean

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No one believes a word of that.














We all know you'd love a pair of lesbians, rubbing it in your face.

;):D

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Not sure I do, I'm a lesbian myself, or do I mean lancastrian, I get those two mixed up

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Let me explain,

A lesbian is a woman that gets pleasure from another woman.

A Lancastrian is someone that gets pleasure from seeing a Yorkshireman with problems.

;)

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So one is located over the pennines?

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Na theres a few of um Dave:D

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It sounds more serious than I first thought ! Should we tell somebody?

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Just been looking back on post's, this one reminds me of a niggle I've always had.

I've been a Les' from birth, they have only been that way inclined from puberty and yet they talk to me as if THEY are experts!

No wonder the World is mad.
:(

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Les been the has been :D

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'As of 2004 Hebden Bridge had the highest number of lesbians per head in the UK.'

Hebden Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mind you, some cantakerous Boycott type, with a cap as flat as his vowels, or tipping Sappho's velvet, it's no wonder it's popular over there, on the wrong side of the border.

:rolleyes::D

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I'd like to do some more study into the subject with the possible option of practical demonstrations, but can't seem to find any expert les's to show me. :D

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There seem to be last ditch attempts by Conservative back benchers to postpone this week's vote on gay marriages. It seems that they fear people will not vote Conservative at the next election.

So who will these people vote for? Labour? No. They support gay marriage. Liberal Democrat? No. They support gay marriage even more than Labour.

What does that leave? UKIP? Well yes, they have opportunistically declared themselves against gay marriage. But what in God's name has Britains future economic stability got to do with who you are lying next to when you switch off the lights?

The truth is that these people are simply homophobic, and are hiding their prejudices behind a contrived shield of respectability. Let's hope nobody is taken in by it.

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No, I am not homophobic........I do not care who shares a bed with whom...but I am against the redefining of marriage.
This government is making promises it hasn't a hope in hell of keeping. We all know how we Kow-Tow to the edicts from Brussels and the EU. What do you thing the Court of Human Rights will have to say about some vicar not marrying a same sex couple because it goes against his conscience?
Since when have the rights of the few over-ridden the rights of the many...and don't give me that old twaddle about 'Equality' it doesn't wash.
Let same sex couples have some sort of ceremony(I think this already exists - civil partnership)but marriage by definition is the joining of a man and a woman.
Politicians are just using this cynically to catch more votes....and while they are doing this they are NOT dealing with other things that are far more relevant and pressing....we have rampant immigration, we have economic woes that seem to be on the back burner(or at last it looks that way to the outsider)....we can't have a vote on the EU until 2017.....but politicians can fiddle around with laws to make same sex marriage a legal statute.
Thanks Gynn, for putting my blood pressure up this early in the morning......and starting my day off with a scowl. Hope your days goes as good as mine has started.
(rant over)

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I'll just sit back now and wait for the red stuff to come flying my way.

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By labelling people homophobic/racist/bigot, you stifle all further debate on the subject.
But then that is exactly what it is calculated to do.....send any other opinion 'underground'.
I am really glad I am at the bum end of my life.

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The topic is just a distraction from more serious issues that should be having your attention.

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I can't even see why this is on the political agenda myself, as far as I'm concerned what matters is that two people, irrespective of the sexual orientation want to get married, why the hell shouldn't they if they want

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Margaret, you've got that one spot on, or as was once quoted a good time to bury bad news

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Exactly, jaysay. It needs to be voted on in Parliament, because its a change to the law.

But for once, Boris Johnstone has got it spot on. Let's just whack it through and get on with the more important things we should be worrying about.

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By whacking it through, no thought is given to the implications for the future...and also the voice of dissenters is not being heard.
I agree with you Margaret...it is a distraction ploy that takes our attention from things that should be being addressed. are more important, and will impact on more of the population.
But this is an 'easy fix' not as fraught with difficulties as some of the other issues.

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John, homosexuals have had the option of civil partnerships...which gives them the legal protection they said they wanted...and that is fine with me.
I am not against them having some sort of ceremony in any religious establishment that wishes to host such ceremonies.....but do not call it 'marriage' because it can never be that. Marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman.

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A few people in this Country are still Christian and still believe in God. Have a little read of the Bible and you will know why some people believe what they do about gay marriage.

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and although i dont believe in god i dont see why a persons religion should alter to suit others.As i have said before if a particular religions rules dont suit you and you dont agree with its rules then sod off and find a religion that does suit you.Should the christian faith strike murder off its not to do list because a murderer dosnt want to give up murdering people but wants to go to church with a clean concience?

i know its an extreeme example but if a few muslims decided they liked bacon could you see government getting involved and telling the muslim population and clerics that they have to allow the eating of pork products?The whole thing has nothing to do with government and they should keep their beaks out.

Let the religous have their little gang and anyone who differs in opinion go do something else.

i no defender of the church i think its a backward ogranisation full of hypocracey and corruption but what irks me is yet again a small minority of a group of people have decided that things must change to suit them.

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Isn't that the whole point for many gay people wanting to get married? They are Christian, believe in God and want their union blessed in God's name.

I'll pass on discussing what it says in the Bible or we'll be back to defending slavery and murdering children who misbehave.

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and thats my point they arnt been good christians because they are breaking the rules so should either stop been homosexual which is in no way going to happen or find a faith that accepts homosexuality.What they shouldnt do is tweak the rules so they can be good christians.

i was cursed with christianity against my will by my parents when i was a child and unable to object but as i have broken most of teh rules and enjoyed doing so iv stayed away from churches.What i havnt done is kick up a fuss demanding the church change its requirements so that i can attend with a clear concience.


and the many other things that make the whole thing a farce

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Surprised that this is still a problem over there. You guys are still fiddling with personal issues such as gay marriage (and a woman's right to a certain medical procedure), while all around you all is turning to ... what's that short old-English word for fecal matter:confused: ... you know the one that's for ever cropping up in Chaucer?;) Maybe my views are a little distorted from living in a country which has gay marriage, no abortion law, medical marijuana ... all with a tory government by the way ... also, I happen to live in a Province whose Premier is an openly gay woman legally married to her same sex partner.

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Same sex marriage wasn't non-controversial when it was introduced in Canada (2004?). You just had the debate earlier, not all societies progress the same reforms at the same rate.

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If they are christian, then they know that the church does not allow a marriage such as they want to be performed for them...and they also know why this is the case.
This doersn't mean that they cannot be christians, just that they cannot expect to partake of a sacrament that is purely for a man and a woman.

I am not agains homosexuals having their union blessed(if they can find a vicar who can do this for them).......but the redefining of marriage for them is wrong......it cannot be any other way.

It doesn't matter if governments legislate for this, people who hold that marriage is between a man and a woman will not change their views.....but people will be criminalised for their religious beliefs and for following their conscience.
I await the first muslim same sex wedding...do you think I might live to see it?
Do you think the Court of Human rights in Strasbourg will persecute muslims for not upholding same sex weddings...which is most definitely against the tenets of their religion.

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does marriage mean the same anymore anyway? apparently 34% of marriages end in divorce before 20 years mark, search online for divorce and one of the first things you will see is adverts of how to get quickie low cost divorces

in our throw away society has marriage not become just another "commodity" anyway, and when you have had enough just bin it, im relatively young in comparison to a lot of the posters on the site (could be wrong), but i still believe in marriage for life, rough with the smooth n all that goes with it and working through your problems, we will be celebrating our 24th wedding anniversary this month (maybe mrs church wouldnt use the phrase celebrating), and through that time there have been some real lows, but if you both believe that marriage means something, i believe that both will try when times are hard.

so for same sex marriage i say what the heck, go for it, but for me i would do away with divorce, sure people can split up, but you cant re-marry, once in a lifetime, then i think people would enter into marriage a little more cautious.

as a side note, i am booked to perform at a same sex marriage/blessing/civil partnership whatever the correct term will be then, this summer, the 2 ladies involved have been together a number of years and have a child (younger than the relationship), they seem happy enough so why shouldnt they join in matrimony, i am not religious but believe in marriage, even discussing "getting married again" on our 25th next year

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Its no good quoting the bible at me Neil, the bible and other such books already created more problems for today's society that anything else, I had it pushed down my throat right through school and although I still have some contact with the church I sure as hell don't let it influence anything in my life today, lets face it these "Holy Books" were written centuries ago and have very little in common with today's lifestyles. If people want to carry on living their life as set out 2000 years ago, carry on, but please don't expect me to follow suit thank you

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Exactly gynn exactly:mosher:

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Where in the bible does it defend slavery and advocate the murdering of children?

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im not sure on that one but i do recall a tale of a man who didnt do as he was told by god so god turned his wife into a pillar of salt..

i would hardly call that a punishment she may have been a right nag and it actually be a blessing

was it issac or someone

not that i actually believe that crap happened but it does show how backward the bible is

man does wrong - punish the woman lol

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That was Lot's wife, she turned and looked behind her when commanded not to. It wasn't his fault.

Here's a start on child killing...

Murder in the Bible

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what is that old saying....I know it is french, but as we are not allowed foreign stuff.....it is look for the woman Even Adam blamed Eve!

All the murders are from the Old Testament of the bible.....and I have to admit my bible history is very rusty, but do they actually all advocate killing/murder.

Anyway, that does not detract from the fact that marriage is a sacrament that can only be between a man and a woman.........and the government can change a law but it will not change the opinion of those whose conscience is compromised by a change of definition.
I will wait and see when the first muslim same sex marriage is performed.

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That would make the Muslims even tighter than the Jews!

Even Jews don't have a wedding reception and a wake on the same day to save on catering.
:eek:

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ahh well she obviously got what she deserved then lol

christianity has been around quite a while now and it seems like the con/lib co-alition this jesus/god co-alition isnt doing too well either and both need to be scrapped

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Slavery:

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

Murdering children:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

And there are probably other quotes.

Just shows what an insult to the intelligence the argument that the Bible condemns homosexuality actually is!

Spot on

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The debate, if there really was one, was a non-event. Homophobes on one side; the rest of us on the other. And most of the rest of us didn't see what all the fuss was about. I remember that lotsa folks wondered why gays would want to get married, given the high rate of divorce. Maybe the whole thing began in '67 or '68 when Pierre Trudeau came up with his "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." Also, it's worth remembering that Canada, like the US, is a complex of different governments ... Idividual Provinces have a lot of powers granted them by the British North America Act of 1867 ... so, recognizing gay marriage came in Ontario in, I think, 2001. The serious questions surrounding gay unions concerned, not morality nor religion, but benefits and tax deductions ... it wasn't about how you got your jollies, but about allowable tax deductions for a non-working spouse, and stuff like that. Moral questions usually take a back seat to money.;)

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Come to think of it, this whole "Bible" thing is a bit silly. I think most of us can agree that the Bible is not the "word of God". If God has a Bible, he probably has it in the "humour" section of his library. Christians ... I'm talkin' the born again kind ... tend to be selective in their readings. Many US Christians support capital punishment, a convenient ignoring of one of those commandment thingies. And many muslims conveniently forget the warm and fuzzy parts of the Koran ... and there are lots of them.

But I do think that spirtuality is important for many folks, much more important than, say, Papal infalibility, which is a fairly recent idea, or the Biblical injunctions against masturbation ... mmm, that would put the number of sinners in the world at around 7 billion, give or take a few.:D And if two people want to add a spiritual dimension to their relationship, I can't see why anyone would want to put road blocks in their way.

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Eric, I have no qualms about homosexuals being christians, or adding any kind of spiritual dimension to their lives......no-one is trying to ban them from the church, or from other services permitted by the church...it is just that marriage is a sacrament that joins a man and a woman...for the purpose of procreation(and now you are going to say what about those who cannot have children - the elderly brides, well the marriage service is different for them). That is the primary aim of marriage....to give a foundation on which to bring up families.

This government are promising that people who invoke a conscience clause will not be persecuted(or prosecuted) for not marrying homosexuals....but this guarantee is worthless, because a couple who feel they have been 'wronged' by a celebrant refusing to marry them, will, no doubt take this to the Court in Strasbourg....and any laws we have, will be over-ridden by them....we are going to be criminalising people for exercising their beliefs.
Teachers who have firm christian/traditional views will be dismissed if they do not teach about homosexual marriage.
so the views of the few are going to be foisted onto the majority.....and those dissenters will be labelled homophobic, or bigot....with the prime purpose of stifling any discussion of the subject.
People will still think what they want to think,but they just won't vocalise it(for fear of being labelled)...and that cannot be right.

I will say again.........I have nothing at all against anyone who is in a homosexual relationship but I do not agree with the redefining of marriage for same sex couples.....and never will, as long as I live.

I have nothing more to say on this, so this will be the last post to this thread.

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A 'profligate and a drunkard', are hardly the description of a child.
There must be better quotes than that.
Please however, don't bother looking, You may as well be quoting the odd bits from 'Lord Of The Rings' or 'HHGG', just as truthful as the ancient book of fantasies.

Not quite sure whether you mean it's an insult because the bible does or whether it's an insult because it doesn't?

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It´s an insult to our intelligence when someone takes selective texts from the bible to justify a moral stand, when the bible is riddled with justifications for actions that they would find totally immoral.

So the argument ´homosexuality is wrong because the bible says it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man´ is a complete non argument. If you argue for any one phrase from the bible, you have to argue for them all. It´s the ´Good Book´. Not the ´Good Book in parts´

:rolleyes:

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Yes, I know what you mean:-

:rolleyes:


:D

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For goodness sake. Grow up!

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Why would you say that?

Is it because you're devoutly religious and you're not making yourself clear?

OR

Is it because you're an atheist and not making yourself clear?

Either way, no need to get upset.
:)

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The law is now passed
Gay marriage vote: Same-sex weddings will 'make society stronger' claims David Cameron | Mail Online

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Looks like something out of "My big fat Gypo whatever" to me, not pretty, well, pretty awful maybe. :)

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Yup does look like a poster for "My Big Fat Greek Wedding";) Or a warning not to drink too much when you are out prowling for a significant overnite relationship.:eek:

Re: Same Sex Marriages.
 

I've calmed down now. I just felt that you were deliberately misunderstanding what I was trying to say.

It annoys me when some Christians say a thing is wrong because it says so in the bible. My point was that the bible says a lot of things that are totally ridiculous, and in answer to a question I gave a number of examples.

I didn't quote selectively to prove a moral point of view. I quoted selectively to show that you can't use bible quotes to prove a moral point.

Is that clearer? :confused::confused::confused:


Probably not !

Re: Same Sex Marriages.
 

Not as calm as you claim or there would have been no need for the above tag.
:)

Re: Same Sex Marriages.
 

If you have a gay marriage it looks as though you might not be able to get divorced, because divorce laws aren't being changed to accommodate it.

Gay marriage: divorces over adultery face legal challenge - Telegraph

" Gay partners who have an affair with someone of the same sex will not be able to use adultery as grounds for divorce because the legal definition involves intercourse between a man and a woman.

Under the government’s plans, same-sex couples will also be unable to annul their marriages on the basis of non-consummation, for similar reasons.

However, heterosexual married couples will continue to be able to use adultery and non-consummation as grounds for divorce, a discrepancy which lawyers said amounted to “clear discrimination”.

The Government has suggested that creating an equivalent of adultery and non-consummation for same-sex relationships would change the law “unnecessarily”. "

Re: Same Sex Marriages.
 

So is it a cock up if you do or a cock up if you don't?

Also if one of the gay partners has sex with a member of any other sex than their own, can they then be divorced on the grounds of 'adultery'?


Like they used to say on this comedy, Confused? You will be!

Soap (TV comedy) closing credits - YouTube

Re: Same Sex Marriages.
 

Interesting that a US Republican senator, previously vehemently opposed to same sex marriage, has now changed his tune because his son is gay.

BBC News - US Republican Senator Rob Portman favours gay unions

Maybe a law should be introduced whereby the only people able to pontificate in public about the evils of same sex marriage should be those who can provide written proof that one of their offspring is gay, and STILL they think same sex marriage is wrong.