Same Sex Marriages.
 

What was Cameron thinking about when he 'came out' in favour of same sex marriages following the condemnation of same by a senior Scottish clergyman? If there is one thing guaranteed to lose the conservative party votes come the next general election, then surely, this has to be it.
Be interesting to see subscribers views on the subject.


:hehetable

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Totally against it me

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In theory, if people are daft enough, and want to, I think marriage should be available to all, regardless of the gender of the person that you want to carry over the threshold.

However, I also agree that similarly everyone should therefore be able to enter into a civil partnership, if we are to have them.

Equality should apply to all.

Regardless.

As civil partnerships currently give the same legal status as marriage, I really don't see why this is a pressing issue for Cameron.

I disagree that it's a vote loser, most people nowadays don't give a stuff, it just seems a battle the Prime Minister doesn't really need to fight right now.

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I think the poll options could have been worded better.

Should have been kept to two.

Agree/disagree.

Live and let live, and stick to civil partnerships, simply confuses the question, as to whether marriage should be available to everyone.

I was with you all the way until the above, I think you will find that only 95% don't give a stuff.

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Oh thank you.

That really was a laugh out loud belly laugh.

:p

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You are probably right re the poll options, but I was just canvassing opinion to see if society really has changed as much as the media would lead us to believe.

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I think we've come a long way in the last 60 years, after all people were jailed for being homosexual in the fifties, until somebody saw a bit of sense and said hey hang on a minute here, we're jailing people for something they have no control over, as I've said before its not a lifestyle choice. To me if gays want to get hitched, carry on its live and let live

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Have to disagree -marriage should be abolished -live and let live!;):D

( My own life sentence is up 19th March...)

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wooooaaaahhhhh mods please can you delete my vote, i voted agree cos i didn't see the 'step too far' bit

i think same sex marriages SHOULD be able to go ahead, a couple no matter of which gender should be allowed to be happy as a married couple

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Yes, but it makes it harder to work out any results.

The way you've done it, you have one option for those who don't agree with same sex marriage, and three voting options for those who aren't necessarily opposed to it.

When we've had similar polls in the past, the results were that the majority of people on here don't give two hoots what other people do in bed, or with whom.

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I agree hun.

The wording doesn't make it clear.

Do you agree with same sex marriage?

Yes.

No.

Unsure.

That's all it needs.

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Just when I was about to go down on one knee in front of you.

Oh well.

I'll just have to put the ring back in the cracker.

:rolleyes:

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Oh, well will just have to wait till the next Leap year -4 years hence.

One might consider living in sin in the meantime...:rolleyes::D

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Men were jailed in the eighties, when they were in consensual relationships, and one of them was nineteen, and the other happened to be twenty one.

The nineteen year old was considered a minor.

Even though he could have married a woman, without parental consent.

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Thats what makes it such a nonsense

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heres the way i see it

if you want to practice a religion and have a religous ceremony then you should adhere to that religions rules and not expect them rules to be changed so as to suit your needs.If you dont agree with your religion stop following it and persue a religion that is more of your taste.

i wont go into the old the bible says same sex relations are wrong or words indicating that is meant but the whole church thing is a complete joke because it now allows openly gay vicars,priests etc so these people have no right to stand up and preech a religion that they themselves are breaking the rules of.How can a gay man stand up and preech from his religions book which says man should not lay down with another man with a straight face( excuse the pun).

i hope that dosnt come accross that i am anti gay or homophobic but thats simply common sense to me that if you dont like a gangs rules then leave that gang and go start your own with rules you can live with and not expect other gangs to change rules to suit what you think is right.

also if i am homophobic im drinking in the wrong bars and need to have a re-think on who i call friends :)

personally i would do away with all religion and save a whole world of hassle but seen as we are on about partnerships i think people of any mix should be able to have the same legal rights etc i just dont think teh religious element needs to be addressed

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I came out as gay to my parents when I was seventeen, in 1982.

Well to be more precise.

At twenty past seven, on the evening of 7th of May, 1982.

I was lucky, unlike many others, and had wonderful, supportive, loving parents to help me come to terms with my nature, and my years of having to tell lies came to an end.

It didn't help our situation that I was seventeen, and unlike my friends, if I had a relationship, for the next four years, until I was twenty one, I could have faced criminal proceeedings. Which many at that time did.

I have two birthdays.

7th January, the day I came into the world.

7th May, the day I stoped lying about who I was, started living honestly, and became the person I am.

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in ireland been gay used to be illigal and as punishment they would lock a man up with hundreds of other men ..

now thats nonsence lol

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All this hype about the virtues of matrimony/civil union lends me to think that the objective is to make it compulsory:eek:

It's just a legal contract that provides lawyers with income when you need to extricate yourself from it.

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To the very few people I've met who've been homophobic, I always try to explain that no one chooses their sexual orientation.

It's just part of who you are. Like your height, or if you're prone to fits of giddiness. You don't get a choice.

If they carry on being prejudiced, I go on to explain that all those puffters and lezzers, are someone's sons/daughters/garandsons/grandaughters/nephews and nieces.

Just one of them might be one of their loved ones.

If not now, maybe in the future.

After all, they're someone's.

Nature's funny like that.

Gays and lesbians don't make homosexuals. That's down to what straight people get up to, when they get jiggy.

:D

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Whatever your orientation you do grow out of it eventually - into celebacy
.....thankfully :D

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I knew you'd have something pithy to say, and make me laugh.

Cheers.

:D

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Quite agree.

Any need for coupling is a weakness.

:D

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My wifes nephew is Gay, he was getting married to his partner and of course we got an invite to the wedding.
The ceremony and reception was in an old country manor, a perfect setting for a marriage.

The Registrar carried out all the formalities and ended by saying they were now offically married and would they like to give each other a kiss.

The two men faced each other and then gave one of the sloppiest, full on the lips kisses you've ever seen.

It was gruesome! I managed to watch for about 3 secs but had to look away.
The rest of the day and evening went ok, apart from the kissing.

Same Sex Marriages? No, I don't agree

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Any overt, public displays of affection like that is in bad taste, in my book.

Regardless of whether the tonsil tickling participants had innie or outies.

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i think that is the only time where it is appropiate to swap spit in public but i guess the amount of time allocated is a matter of taste...

if you can taste the other persons breakfast then the kiss has gone on too long for example :)

Yes, well so called normal weddings can be terrible espescially if you walk into the cloakroom and find the bridegroom being over-affectionate towards the maid of honour, you can't even suggest they get a room, you know he has the Honeymoon suite booked for later.

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I really do not care about what sexual orientation someone is.
And if they want to have some sort of religious ceremony, then that is fine by me.
What I do not agree with, is the wording of the draft bill which will change the denomination 'Husband and Wife' to 'Parties in Marriage' .
This is something that Stonewall is seeking for same sex marriages, because obviously there isn't (strictly speaking) a husband and wife.
They want to change something traditional, to the detriment of the many, for the benefit of the few.
Leave the husband and wife names as they are for heterosexual marriage, but allow same sex partnerships to assume the new format if they wish.
My husband is my husband...he is not a party in marriage.

Nah, your right, most husbands would be found in the kitchen at parties, thats where the fridge with the beer is.

:)

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and the tonic for the gin!

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Oh I quite agree Marg.

How stupid.

What are they going to say in the service?

'Do you Ethel, take Albert Aloysius, as your lawful wedded party?'

Daft.

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Well, so far, making sense of the plethora of confusing options, only one in four seem to be opposed to same sex marriage.

Well, perhaps it would get a different result if such a thing was made compulsory rather than voluntary?

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Yeah sod that.

Well until they change the law...so you can marry the person in the mirror.

:D

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Would not wish to marry myself ever -too hard to live with...:rolleyes::D

As to this poll , the "get out of jail free cards" mean that only 5 out of 22 voters actually agree with same sex mariage. 5 against, 12 in limbo.

My own answer was given glibbly out of general disillusion with that state, have nothing against it in theory.

Marriage in society has always implicated a sense of kinship = procreation.
Not all married couples have children, for various reasons, but perhaps this is the final knot that needs unravelling - same sex couples do not naturally produce the next generation.
I have nothing against adoption by same sex couples but i think this is what actually blocks a lot of people into seeing these legal (ie marrige) unions as equal to heterosexual marriages.

Just trying to put into words how i see where most prejudice comes from...

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I'll air the back bedroom then.

We'll have a civilised union.

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I quite agree Rindi, can't say I've ever been in favour of watching people swapping spit in public, of any orientation, gay or straight, to me that is something which should be kept behind closed doors

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Um is there any other room at parties Less:confused::confused::confused::D

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Anyone who snogs the face off each other, in public places, seem to want to prove something.

It's not as bad in a nightclub, but you don't want to sit behind it on the bus, or facing you, over a table in a cafe.

Very often they're the ones that split up, a short time later.

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They're trying to prove that they are having a relationship. The trouble is theyare trying to convince themselves as much as everybody else.

If the relationship is worth anything, they don't have to do anything in public.

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what if they are keen doggers lol :D

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Seems this comment may have caused some confusion - 19th March will be my Silver Wedding Anniversary! They won't be letting me out of prison just yet;):D

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Have booked flight Friday - should arrive "Chez toi" by taxi at 02-00hrs,( I know you'll be up).

Have v. simple needs, somewhere to plug in my laptop and a big box of tea-bags (Twinings Eng.Breakfast preferably)

You may be required to sit in my lap and let me stroke you from time to time when I'm missing my cats!:rolleyes::D

I'm very civilized but please remove the ironing board from the back bedroom -don't start thinking I'll be doing all the housework....;)

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Nail on the head I think gynn http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/000202F7.gif

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Oh to be a fly on the wall http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/c...s/00020367.gif

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Simply and honestly put. It's just another example of a minority overruling the majority - or the tail wagging the dog. I am certain that there are far more important things for parliament to discuss, but then again we are talking about politicians.

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i suppose distraction is better than explaining what you have done

fuels rocketed sky high ,the country is well and truely down the pan and people are questioning been in the EU but dont mind that look at these gays they need marrage s.t.a.t ;)

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I'm with Margaret all the way on this.
Let's keep some tradition. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman- that's what they are, not 'parties'. That s just dehumanising it.
Same sex couples should have all the rights and laws a married couple have if they commit to a legalised union but what's wrong with that being a 'Civil Partnership'? It's a new idea-give it a new name.

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I wouldn't if I were you -am very handy with a fly swat I'll have you know!;)

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Actually, now I think about it, just the two of us -it will be a doddle.

Ironing, cooking , cleaning, washing, shopping, bottle washing, you name it - no sweat. I also do excellent manicures and pedicures with reflexology massage. Oh and I have an A* diploma in changing duvet covers.:D

Garinda, you will only be required to push out the wheelie bins...nasty job.:rolleyes:

What time do you like your late night cocoa and morning coffee in bed?

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Coffee, at about 6.45 please. Strong, and just a splash of milk.

Cocoa. Don't bother.

I don't want to be a bother.

Give, give, give.

Just a Pastigle Leone in the evening please.

You can suprise me, with what flavour.

Oh what fun we'll have.

Pigling Bland, and Mrs. Tiggy-Winkle, setting up home together.

:D

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Looks like you have the best of the deal G!
Manicure, pedicure and reflexology massage thrown in...hell I'd snap that offer up.
I am not familiar with Pastigle Leone.

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Think its Sergio leone's brother:D

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Oh have just googled it...looks a bit like posh Edinburgh rock...do they do it in Ginger flavour?

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Can't wait, PB.

And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand.
They danced by the light of the moon, the moon.
They danced by the light of the moon...

I do hope your kitchen is equipped with a runcible spoon....;):D TW

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Yes, just about every flavour on earth Margaret, if you wish to capture the heart of a man...
And they last ages, great value -am thinking of setting up a business importing them to the UK...as a love charm!;):D

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I hope kestrelx isn't reading this he will think you two have finally succumbed to the delights of recreational narcotics:D:D

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No Margaret, I would have the best of the deal -believe me!;):D

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Oh, I'll do my share. I'm not a shirker.

As well as putting the rubbish out, I plump a very good cushion, and am a whizz with the Shake 'n' Vac.

:D

PASTIGLIE LEONE - home page

Some mad, but very kind woman living in Italy, popped some in a hamper of goodies.

They're delicious.

Very moorish.

So much so the first small but beautiful tin was soon empty.

So the mad woman in Italy sent a parcel, containing nearly every flavour they make.

It's my treat, making one last for over an hour, whilst reading in bed.


:)

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High on life, Dave -high on life!;)

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I did nearly post that they were addictive, instead of saying the little pills were moreish.

They haven't made me think I could fly though...just yet.

As long as I don't snort one, I should be alright.

:D

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Glad to hear it don't want the kestrel getting the wrong idea, as you know he is a little dim:D

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Could always try sending him some -he could crush them up and try them -well, hovever he likes!:rolleyes::D

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He probably would as well.

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As well as tasting exquisite, they are beautifully packaged.

Wrapped in colourful papers, then in the yellow box.

PASTIGLIE LEONE - prodotti

Although I decant mine into my collectors edition tin, celebrating 150 years since Italian unification.

Like all dealers, mine lured me in with free samples.

Now I'm hooked she's probably going to start charging exorbitantly for new supplies.

:eek::D:eek:

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I hope there's someone dealing them in Sardinia.

I think I take some condoms.

I wonder how many I could smuggle back in each one.

:rolleyes::D

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I have already captured the heart of a man....but I am thinking of perhaps releasing him back to the wild :D

They look like Edinburgh Rock.......I like those, but I eat them until they make my mouth sore...but only the ginger flavour...or at a push the raspberry.

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Can't quite see how that would work...but if you believe it, then who am I to burst your bubble?

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Don't think they are considered to be contraband!

Just fill your suitcase...:D

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Am in debt, all that give, give, give...:rolleyes:

Inspiration doesn't have a price -that's the problem.:p

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Way too cryptic for me Dianne.

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Now you mention it...:rolleyes:

Have the coffee flavoured ones to hand...

How much are you willing to part with to have them!;):D

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Is that a bit of extortion Dianne?

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quote=Margaret Pilkington;975777]Is that a bit of extortion Dianne?[/quote]

Just a little bit...;)

Coffee being addictive and all![:D

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Especially when it is dunked in rum! :D

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That's a symptom of Bi-polar disorder, don't get too high on life Mobertol :)

Glad you been commenting on me :rolleyes:

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Mmmm I seriously doubt if I would! :rolleyes:

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That's one thing I agree with you on - at least! ;)

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Na Dave as Bryan Ferry said "Love is a drug":D:D

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A little:rolleyes:

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There's hope for you yet!
But don't do it too often- I'd get worried.

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I haven't read all the posts but if no one has put this address on for anyone intrested.
If you think marriage should only be between a man and a woman go to
Coalaition for marriage and sign the petition.

I Have.

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Yes, mixed marriages face an uphill struggle from the start, and could probably do with a little extra support.

What a shame, from the post I take it that you have some strong views on this subject? Unfortunately not strong enough views to read through all the thread, does this make you:-
A. Lazy
B. Ignorant
C. A touch bigoted
D. All of the above

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One of the nastiest and most hateful aspects of modern society is institutionalised homophobia.

What gives any individual the right to say "Because of my narrow minded and bigoted opinions, you should not be able to live a fulfilled and happy life with your chosen partner'?

Equality is the aim of any civilised society, so if marriage is ok for one couple, its ok for ANY couple.

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As it happens the changes currently on the table about this are only for Registry Office Marriages - Gay Marriages will still be illegal in churches.

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Just Honest

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Isn't that why churches are empty on a Sunday because of narrow minded views

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I am not homophobic, but I can't see why marriage is necessary(especially seeing as it won't be in church)....and why the terms of referenece to married couples should be changed to accommodate homosexuals. I do not wish to be reffered to as 'a party to/in marriage'.........this may seem like a small thing, but to many people(like myself) it is important.
Those who are in a same sex relationship, and have gone through a civil ceremony have the weight of the law on their side already.....they have equality with heterosexual couples.......I don't understand what is to be achieved by this change (which, by the way will cost businesses and governments loads of money - all forms which refer to husband and wife will have to be changed, websites etc).

I really do not care about someones sexual orientation. I would have thought that the government have far more weighty issues to deal with, which should take priority over this.
Lynn Featherstone, it seems has already made her decisions...despite the fact there is supposed to consultation taking place....now in my book, consultation means that there is an element of listening to both sides of an argument and coming to some sort of compromise.........it is worrying that this can be done in such a manner....it leads me to think that there are other issues which could also be dealt with in a similar way...and if t hat doesn't worry you - then it should.

These are elected representatives who are supposed to listen to those who put them in power.

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I agree with you Margaret - why should we consign to history the term "husband and wife" just for a small minority of homo-sexuals who want to be "married"! Why do we have to satisfy the minority all the time! It's PC gone bonkers!

I thought marriage was based on sex, that a pair come together to have children - gays can't naturally have children so why should they have the privelage of a marriage in the true sense of the word.

Life is not equal! Tell Cameron if he wants equality to share out his millions!

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Oh, and when the homophobic /racist/sexist/ ageist tag is levelled at something, it is just to stifle healthy debate. A diversionary tactic.

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I think Kestrel-X is confusing sex and pro-creation -they are two quite different things.

Wrote the above earlier in this thread - forgot to add that same-sex couples can have children -though not by the traditional methods.
They either find a partner/friend who is willing to help them naturally or go through the "test-tube" route with a donor.

I'm sure most people will have no problem with this for heterosexual couples with problems...(I know several who have had lovely children this way, including a cousin of mine who had twins). So why not for same sex couples?

At the end of the day the most successful marriage is always a marriage of minds.:)

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I really don't care what same sex couples do...whatever floats theeir boat....what i do not agree with is the ditching of the traditional terms 'husband and wife' in favour of 'parties in/to marriage'........I abhor being called a 'partner'........or for that matter 'spouse'.......this government is wanting to change the traditional terms so they do not offend or upset same sex couples.......after all what other reason would they have for instigating such a change?
Since the inception of civil ceremonies, same sex couples have had the same legal protection as heterosexual couples(as long as they have availed themselves of the civil ceremony).....so why is marriage seen as a necessity?
I'm also perturbed that there is supposed to be consultation, but the MP Lynn Featherstone has said, that it isn't if these changes go ahead, but how.....no matter how many people protest.

Now I don't know about you, but this sounds like a done deal, just waiting for a rubber stamp.
I thought consultation meant the exchange of ideas, listening to both sides of an argument before making any decisions.

These changes will have financial implications on businesses of all kinds as well as goverment departments.

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So talk us through the process where the man has had a vasectomy and he marries a woman with a hysterectomy.

Any sexual contact is presumably an abomination?

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A church wedding ceremony for people who are too old to procreate is a bit different in the wording.

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You're just a funny sod, anyway.

When it comes to what names you're called.

As with your similar abhorrence to being called the 'G' word, by the children of your offspring.

:D

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Sounds like the starting point for discussions about gay church weddings, Margaret!

One of the things that irritates me about the TV presentation of gay weddings is their depiction of spectacularly camp and nauseating gay couples emerging from registry offices in matching pink suits, or in the case of lesbans, looking like extras from Prisoner Cell Block H.

What about couples like my brother and his partner who did it with no fuss or bother?

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Better still - why bother - nowt wrong with 'over t'brush' if you make wills and have the house in joint names.

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Yes G....I know......I am. It is part of the pernicketiness that comes with age and experience. It's alright, one day it might come to you too:D ( I hope it does, because it will mean you lived long enough to be an old burger - no bun...just a burger)

I was called to school during the week to pick up Spindles, who was not very well.......the School secretary called his name and said 'Your G word is here to take you home'.......if looks could have killed, she would be being buried next week.

I will be telling her the next time I see her, not to use that word in reference to me....ever again.....and the only reason I didn't tell her at the time, was because the lad looked a bit green round the gills, like his lunch was looking for the emergency exit.