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I have always believed that issues should be judged according to facts, as far as they may be ascertained from the evidence, rather than on the basis of political correctness. I was just reading the following article in the "Guardian" ... sorry, but it gets delivered before the "Daily Mail" ... :;)

Grooming offences committed mostly by Asian men, says ex-Barnardo's chief | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Now, I know what the BNP is, and I know I could never support them, but they are more on track on this issue than are those who are contorting arguments to distance the Afghani and Pakistani communities from the crime. One thing that really bugged me is that there are those who want to place the blame on "white" families which have poor parenting skills:confused: So, it's not ok to target the Afghanis and the Pakistanis, but it is fine to lay the blame on white families.:rolleyes:

Maybe this could have something to do with it:

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A 59 year old who cannot be named for legal reasons cited the fact that these girls had been let down by society before he ever met them.......and what kind of lame excuse is that for him taking his pleasure at their expense....and then selling them on to other men from his own Pakistani community??

These issues are swept under the carpet by the communities involved.
These girls because they are white, non muslim, are seen as being easy targets and alsmost not human.

I just wonder what would happen to these men in their own community if they abused girls of their own background in this way......or for that matter what would be the outcome if it had been white males 'grooming' muslim girls for their own pleasure.

In some ways we have been partly responsible for this state of affairs by being afraid to speak out for fear of being branded as racist.

This crime is racist...whatever the police may say.
I was committed by men of one race against girls of a different race, based on their creed and colour. (white and non muslim)

I hope that more people from the muslim/Pakistani community come out and decry the crimes committed by these men...but I won't hold my breath.

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Unfortunately Margaret there is a lot of abuse within their own community (see 2nd article Eric posted) it is quite common as the culture of the people is different and the "norms" of their society are different too. Women as a whole do not expect to be treated well in Pakistan -girls who rebel there are subjected to "Honour" crimes (often murder and even rape by their own family members) and well-reported cases both in the UK, Italy and other countries document this fact.

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I won't either! The women in these communities have no real voice, so that's half of them excluded to start with - there may be the odd muslim politician who will speak up but I doubt that many men from the general community would make themselves heard on this issue.

I spoke to a friend in the police force about this recently and was given the impression that the police take the issue extremely seriously as it is seen as a time-bomb which could explode into racial violence.

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Having worked in Women's Health, I know quite a bit about the abuse women suffer in their own communities....and some of it has been in the news recently.
I went and did an English O level in the 70's and was in a class with an asian(Pakistani) man he said that, in Islam women are revered......but to be honest I didn't see much reverence for them........I did see yo ung pregnant wives, who had been beaten on the soles of their feet for answering back to their mother in law though.

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How could I have forgotten - obviously you will have had lots of experience over the years of this kind of thing.

Saying that, I have two Indian families for neighbours on our farm and while they have both organised "marriages" for their eldest daughters -taking them over to India to meet with the prospective husband for only a short visit before the wedding, they seem to be working out very well. Both young women seem really happy with their husbands (and vice-versa) they have young babies now too. The girls did have a choice, however, and could have refused the families choice for partner if they didn't like them.

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Indian and Pakistani cultures vary tremendously...you wouldn't think it but they do.

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Not holding your breath is probably a good idea. But I think we are reaching the point where those who exercise the power that we give them once every four or five years have to get up on their hind legs and admit that the major problem threatening the fabric or Western society (that's you guys as well as us) is Islam. Islam is the new Fifth Column. Islamic tribunals etc. within Muslim communities is the thin end of the wedge. Not only that, the voices that speak out for Britain, France, Canada, the US, Australia, etc. (you get the picture) must not be the voices of the right-wing fringe parties. They must come from the mainstream politicians. Such as these from Austrial and from Quebec.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia tells it like it is | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012

Keep Islamic law out of Canada, Quebec politicians urge - Jihad Watch

You can no doubt see the problems with the links ... they have links themselves to right wingers. But the statements of the politicians are plain enough.

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You are right Eric...but the lily livered politicians are so keen to get their votes, that they suck up to them........a local member of parliament is a prime example......I'm not posting his name, but I think you might know who I mean.
Look at the clown George Galloway - he has courted the muslim vote......let us hope he doesn't live to regret prostituting himself.
Like Kevin Rudd, I believe that those who come to this country must adapt to its ways...not t he other way around......if they do not like the western way of life, then they are quite free to go some other place that is more welcoming to them....this is a realists view, not a racist view.
There are many more people who think these thoughts, but are afraid of being labelled racist......this attitude stifles honest,healthy discussion.......which robs all of us.

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I couldn't agree more, Margaret - and if that brands me as racist, then so be it.

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But it's not really rascist ... I've no beef with the colour of their skin ... no beef with Indonesians; and Indonesia is the world's largest Islamic country. It's not really the religion either; whether someone wishes to worship God, Allah, Yaweh, or the Great Cosmic Muffin is none of my business. It's when this religion threatens the way of life in my country that I get pee'd off. It's when this religion becomes indistinguishable from politics, in fact, when it replaces politics. It bugs my ass when I read of terrorist attacks taking place and responsibility is claimed by Al something-or-other, when all the attackers are muslims and nobody in authority ... no one from the mainstream anyway ... is prepared to state publicly that Islam is the problem. For once I find myself agreeing with my whack-job neighbours to the south when they say: "America: If your heart isn't in it, get your ass out of it." That those found guilty of these disgusting acts against children in Lancashire are all muslim is not a coincidence. And it irks me that commentators are struggling ... hopefully with little success ... to deflect the blame from the perps to the victims.

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By the way, as far as I know, George Galloway is still PNG in Canada:theband:

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The problem is that one of these girls reported the situation to the police back in 2008, but nothing was done, reading between the lines it appears the police were afraid of being called racists, what an absolute load of cobblers to say the least, a crime is a crime no matter who commits it and should be treated as such

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I think it's the second one .... I believe it means: "Sir, you are an idiot and an asshole. The only idiots and assholes we tolerate are those who are Canadian citizens." Many of these are on display in Ottawa, in the House of Commons ... most of them on the government benches.;)

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They're always on the government benches Eric:rolleyes:

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Amazes me that the Deputy Chief Constbale of Manchester police on the news yesterday referred to this sort of crime as fairly new. Is it any wonder this country is going down the drain when people like him have been walking round with their eyes shut for years.

I first came across this sort of stuff in Nelson 12 years ago, no doubt it wasn't new then. The Lancashire Telegraph have been running a campaign about it since 2006.

This country is full of useless ponces in authority who live so far up their own backsides they can't see anything

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Ain't that the truth ... the one's who form Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition are not much better.;)

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It isn't new at all there was a documentary on this kind of stuff at least ten years ago........and I was aware of the situation something in the region of fifteen years ago.
I think the powers that be have been playing ostrich with the facts....ignore them and they will go away. Never a good strategy to appease the perps.

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We used to ring the police up to report certain activity at the end of the street where we lived. They never bothered, the car was stationary so they couldn't fine them for speeding :rolleyes:

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Ya Dave its now policing by the book, its time they turned the clock back. There was a TV program on a few years ago about the grooming in and around East Lancashire, do these so called super cops walk round with their eyes shut, or should that be driven around with their eyes shut

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What you saying Eric, Somethings rotten in the state of Westminster:D

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The thing is you never hear about young asian girls being groomed do you, funny that:rolleyes:

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Eh? I thought they were all groomed to marry their Pakistan cousins - followed by UK residency, of course.

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... and Ottawa;)

Jaysay read the link on the first post. Asian girls do suffer. Most Afghan girls are married by the time they are 13

It's not a problem with Islam it's a culture problem

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They're not groomed to be passed round as pieces of meat and sold on when they get fed up, its sod all to do with with culture, its a bunch of Asian blokes using white girls because they wouldn't get away with using girls from their own race, they get their nadgers cut of if they did

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Oh its drifted then;)

You don't think Asian girls are ever exploited then?????? I bow to your superior knowledge

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The problem with Islam is that you can't separate culture from religion, nor religion from politics for that matter. And, at the risk of seeming callous, I don't give a flying-you-know-what what happens in Afghanistan, as long as it stays in Afghanistan and doesn't migrate over here with the Afghanis. As a westener ... a Canadian, born and raised in Clayton, and damn proud of it ... I find it repulsive how females are treated in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Pakistan, and the Congo. But it is as much of an error for us to try to impose our culture on them, as it is for them to attempt the same impostion on our societies. The NATO mission in Afghanistan failed ... at the cost of too many US, British, and Canadian lives. Whatever spin the politicians put on it, it was a dismal failure. And the reason is that the Afghanis don't want our way of doing things impsosed on them. And it's time for leaders in the West to stand up and say without equivocation, that we don't want their way of life brought to our shores.

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On my old street there was a problem with asian drug dealers parking outside my house and waiting for their customers to arrive.You would think they would be quiet about it but they would sit there with boom/bass box blasting out drawing a lot of attention to themselves.Funny how the police never saw this as an issue despite multiple reports by different people were made yet as soon as a claw hammer goes through their car window 2 police cars and a transit van turn up after the guy holding the drugs has legged it of course :rolleyes:

in all fairness to the police they didnt catch the guy who threw a hammer through their window either so at least incompitence is equally dished out :)

i dont think this is an issue anymore as you can now get drugs delivered by taxi

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im sure the multitudes would actually welcome the change of the western world.

http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/...hanistan-2.jpg

I certainly wouldn't like this life ^ would you?

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devonshire/warwick street?

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very close it was usually teh lower ends of the steets nearer to town and the factory bottoms or aldi

if homebase carpark was too ocupied for them they would park up on devonshire,malt or westwood and sometimes knowlmere if they were buying booze for the young girls that were in the back of their cars.

Odd thing is when carol sold the shop and it was taken over by asians we got a lot less asians infact hardly any using that shop but the dealing of drugs continued.

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That isn't what I'm talking about when I use the phrase "way of life," and if you don't realize this you are missing the point. And we have our own poverty issues in Canada to deal with, especially with out First Nations. Obviously it's a distressing situation ... if you watch enough late nite tv you can see similar, or worse.

But there are questions here just pleading for an answer: What happened to the billions in aid that Canada gave to Afghanistan? Whose damn pockets did it end up in? Obviously not those of this poor child. What did we get for our billions, and for the lives of 160 Canadian service men and women?

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Interesting point. They are actually trying to combat drugs in the asian community. I saw a poster about this a few years ago

when i asked on here about devonshire street area a few years ago, this was mentioned.. it was a good guess :D

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I agree with you Eric.......we are wrong to try and take western culture and ideals to the Afghanis(or anywhere else for that matter)......they do not want it......much as we do not wish to be islamised.

I can live cheek by jowl with people who accept me, and do not try and insidiously dilute my culture to match theirs...they came here(or their parents/grandparents) because they thought this country offered them a better place to live and bring up their families.
If this proves not to be the case...or they wish to live where sharia law is practised, then I am sure there are many countries that would be more than happy to take them.

We bend over backwards to avoid offending them.......what is that all about?
They CHOSE to come here.

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Yeah I get it. Irony is what I was suggesting....


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A: Where all charities go. Into government pockets.

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again 'they'

do we know that 'they' as a majority don't want it? there is no way of telling. Religious maniacs are everwhere around the world. Just so happens these maniacs are armed and are sitting on a load of oil.

yet "gods hates fags" church in America is still allowed to exist. They are equally as evil. Watch the docu. Kids as young as 4 or 5 are already filled with hate.

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AH. I shouldn't get involved in this kind of discussion. IMO all religion is evil. Last time I had my say here on topic of religion I had harsh Karma and somebody actually said they would 'prey for me'

Religion isn't evil but men can be

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Religion is man made. So it becomes a question not dissimilar to that of the Chicken and the Egg :D

But i certainly get your point.

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Some will say gangs of men grooming and raping young girls is not a race issue, some will say it IS a race issue. However, it is certainly a culture related issue or, more specifically, one stemming from a clash of cultures.

This is an issue where the strict mores of one religion and culture have set in motion the environment in which this can occur. It is a clash of religion and ethics. Because one religion is different, it does not give the members of the stricter religion the right to abuse young women who are culturally different from them. Nor can being a member of this community offer them a shelter in which to enjoy the silence and therefore protection of their own community.

Men who lure young girls to be exploited by older "uncles" are organised criminals and a problem which the larger community does need to address. Are only a handful of men partaking in the spoils of this? Should they not be held accountable for this behaviour by their own leaders and indeed their own community? As Margaret said in an earlier post "i won't hold my breath".

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Don't see how any of this is to do with religion or race because I don't know of any religion/race that condons child sex abuse.. these monsters are opportunists who became organised...young white girls just happened to be easier targets than young asian girls in their own community... bottom line is they would not have got away with it for two minutes in their own community.

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thats quite interesting because the childrens home round the corner on whalley road was run/owned by asians and they used to park next to carols off licence shop .the police were called once and they never turned up:confused: does this childrens home still exist:confused: if it does i think it should be investigated.

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mancie-- They do not speak of it in that context that is why.

Read this book God Is Not Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia have the filth explained to you in a more-- up to date language

I actually had to put this book down for a while. It disturbs me how disgusting it all is

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Mate I'm not hooked on relgion but can't be arsed reading what Hitchens thinks about it.:D

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It IS racist, it was one race of men, abusing girls of another race...mainly because they see those girls as being less than human...of no account......it is also a culture based crime. Religion only comes into it because these men cannot do their evil stuff to girls of their own race/culture/creed or they would be severely dealt with (and the girls probably would be murdered too).
As you say it would not have been tolerated in their own community...and had these been white men, abusing muslim girls, what then, do you think would have been the outcome?

These men preyed on vulnerable girls...making the girls think that someone cared about them.(for a while anyway) The 59 year old (who isn't named) even tried to justify his acts by saying that society had let these girls down long before he ever met them.....like that is a good excuse.
The CPS did let the girls down by not prosecuting when the issues were first raised in 2008.

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Right on all counts Margaret and why that 59 year old has kept is immunity is mind blowing to say the least, no doubt his name will be aired on twitter or facebook, they can run but they can't hide

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John this 59 year old may be the subject of another enquiry, and publishing his name would prejudice any subsequent trial that he may be involved in.

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Um well I've read a report this morning that the police are looking for at least another 40 men who may have been involved with this gang, so you could be right

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I would imagine hat there are a lot of men of ethnic origin, getting a bit worried right now.

I fervently hope that when these monsters find themselves on the inside of prison, they will be as frightened as they made the girls they abused. But I suppose they will be segregated for their own safety......it doesn't stop someone from putting bacon fat in their food.

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This topic jogged my memory, reminding me of some of the issues covered in the thread: "Does anyone know which taxi firm this pervert worked for?" Wrighty made similar comments but was given a hard time of it by several members.

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No doubt there are religious freaks in the US, and their connections to White Supremacists and American Nazis are troubling. But America is a complicated country. My immediate neighbours to the south, those living in northern New York State, are just like us (I'm seeing that as a good thing;)) There are, however, places where it seems as if you have gone into another dimension, where being a nutbar is normal.:rolleyes: But there are significant differences between the Christian US and the Islamic world. There is the US constitution, especially the Bill of Rights and subsequent ammendments, which guarantees the freedom of religion, but it also keeps religion out of schools. You can burn the Bible is you wish, and the Koran, and even the American Flag (First Ammendment) ... a little tasteless and childish, but quite legal. Many folks who post on here are in favour of American style "justice" ... what they mean, I think, is the US prison system. The law in the US actually bends over backwards to protect the rights of someone who is arrested. It starts with Miranda ... and continues with one's right to "lawyer up" ... a right which we don't quite have in Canada. And the US rules about what can be admitted as evidence are very rigorous.

It is true, however, that the US also attempts to impose its culture on the rest of the world, but the main thrust comes not from the US government, but from US business and, of course, Hollywood. It's all about making money. And the US does seem to want to impose its political and economic ideas on the rest of the world. But ... Americans don't emigrate. They invade. They defeat the local conventional forces. Then the people get together and wage a guerilla war. The Americans get their asses kicked, claim victory, and take off back to the US. Hollywood then makes a bunch of third- or fourth-rate movies ("Rambo":mad:) proving that they actually won.:rolleyes:

Islam is far more dangerous than the US. The yanks actually do want to make things better, they just don't know how to go about it. Islam and its very powerful extremist elements want to impose their way of life wherever they go. And boy, do they ever spread themselves across the world. They leave their bs countries .... why work to improve a place, when there are already developed countries willing to take them in, and give them everything they want? And what do they contribute to these countries: bombs and bs. As a culture (and Islam is as much a culture as it is a religion) what has Islam added to Britain? Insulting British war dead? Blowing up subways and buses? Taking advantage of the welfare system? And now, exploiting vulnerable children?

Remember what Prime Minister Rudd said? Just replace all occurences of "Australia" with "Great Britain" (or "Canada"), and it stands as a road map for how the Western Democracies should deal with this most pressing problem.

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I received this interesting e-mail recently, maybe our government should read and inwardly digest!


The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is
scrapping multiculturalism:
The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .
A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16 2011, reads:
"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.
In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.
With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.
The letter continues:
"A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ...
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.
The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (HOW TRUE).
The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.
Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realised - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.
UK future may well be read here.
READERS NOTE:
Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."
Countries like Holland and UK have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?
If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple; "STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!"
This gives a whole new meaning to the term; 'Dutch Courage' - Unfortunately UK politicians don't have the ...GUTS to do the same.
There's a whole lot of truth here!!!!
ELECTION 2015 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep, Breeds a Government of Wolves!
I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!
Let's Take a Stand!!!
CLEGG Gone!
Borders: Closed!
Language: English!
Law:Obey UK Law
Culture: UK Constitution, is the Bill of Rights!
Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!
We the people are coming!!!
Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%. What will you do?

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Tldr

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Here we go ... the problem is not the exploitation of the children ... well, well, well. According to the Muslim Council of Britain, "This is dangerous for communtiy relations":eek::eek::eek: It's not a crime commited by members of the muslim community; it's a public relations problem.:rolleyes: So, scores of muslim men, rape and abuse white children, and what we have to worry about is the effect this will have on the muslim community:confused:. Well I'm sure the young women who were exploited and abused are devastated to hear this, as are the folks in Rochdale and area. And the exploitation we have to fear is not that of children, it is that by the BNP, the EDL, and the UKIP. I'm relieved that's sorted.

Muslim leaders warn of far right exploitation of Rochdale child sex case | UK news | The Guardian

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Of course BNP will seize on this. From a tactical point of view it makes sense. But. Its how they get the votes of idiots

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If there is a social/culture link with this sort of crime then it is a culture similar to the mafia, you do get the feeling that these men were of a very close knit and to get away with these crimes they must have kept there gobs shut outside their "circle"... was that because of thier religion or thier culture that they got away with it for so long?

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Rape in Islam

As a total none religious person-- I am not advocating anything by posting this link. But knowledge is powerful. And by reading this(though some comes across as dubious), can one honestly say that Islam is to blame for all these sex offenders?

It says women should be respected, ETC. But yet so many of these Asian men have no respect for women whats so ever. But then again so many English I have met don't either.

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Very interesting point you raise here ... One of the major problems faced by criminals is someone ratting .... it certainly does point to a mafia-like community. It's not only the ones actually involved in the crime who must have kept their gobs shut, it is also others in the wider community.

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there was a case like this in Accy too. An English girl was setting girls up to get raped by 3 Asian men.

Woman 'provided girls to be raped by East Lancashire gang' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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What happened in that case?:

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From what I gather an English gave drugs/alcohol to girls lured them into a house where they could be sexually abused by 3 asian guys

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I wonder if Ms Knight herself has been a victim of grooming.

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Surprise, surprise, me thinks if they put their own house in order, the BNP, EDL, or UKIP wouldn't have any fuel for their fire of hatred

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I had the misfortune to have met her once. I will assure you it is a distinctive lack of intelligence

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What is said, and what is done, are entirely different things.
The commandments are broken every day...but what is vile, is that these men saw these girls as less than human...and felt that thay could use and abuse them for their pleasure.

What is worse is that it has been going on in this community for a long time, but the muslim leaders do not want to acknowledge it as it is bad for the muslim community...they want it hidden away.....to pretend it doesn't happen...but they would shout loud enough if it were white men targetting their young girls.

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You mean she's no Oxford under grad then Restless:rolleyes:

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more arrests in rochdale it says on yahoo news.I think theres going to be a lot more to come :(

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Yup ... and it's in the "Guardian" too:

Second Rochdale child grooming ring suspected | UK news | guardian.co.uk

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on yahoo news it says the rings are not connected but one of the victims has been victim to both rings.I would consider that a connection but it is yahoo news after all

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i wonder if they investigated the childrens home on whalley road:confused:

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which childrens home on Whalley road.......are you referring to Dyke Nook?

It hasn't been a childrens home for quite a while now. It is in private ownership.
I don't know when LCC discontinued the use as a childrens home. I think the question was asked in another thread.

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Well I used to inspect Dyke Nook on a regular basis before it closed as a children's home, as a member of the Social Services Liaison committee, there certainly wasn't anything untoward going on in those days

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I think the one being mentioned was at the bottom of Whalley Road on the left as you are going up, it's been closed for some time now.
Dyke Nook has been closed for going on ten years.

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Looks like Trevor Philips has stirred it up this morning, he's pointed the finger at the Muslim community saying people have been turning a blind eye to this grooming

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He is right, but because he is a man who is coloured, there will be no call racism....that cannot be right. All honest, healthy discussion of any subject is quashed once someone cries racism.

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I think that these guys went way beyond having no respect. I suppose, also, there are men, maybe some posting on here, who fantasize about having sex with young girls ... but that's a far cry from plying a thirteen year old with booze and drungs, and then making her the female lead in a gang bang.

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To do all these things is against Islam. So is Islam to blame for them acting this way?

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The religion is not to blame......it is the men who are of that religion, who are to blame.

Somehow it seems that by being muslims they considered themselves to be of better morals/ character than these girls....they saw these girls as worthless - of having no value. Perhaps they didn't see them as women....well, of course they weren't women ...they were children.
I wonder if the fathers among them, had any thought about how they would feel if someone did what they were doing, to their children.

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If Islamic law was in place in this country(a scary thought in itself) these guys wouldn't of committed this crime. In Pakistan committing this kind of crime they would be stoned to death(or whipped one hundred times???) from what I can gather from info posted here Pakistan -- Age of Consent

perhaps they should be sent to a country where Islamic law is in place and have their punishment dealt to them

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In a word, "yes." Islam and the culture, politics, and laws it spawned is to blame. And it is also the most serious threat to world stability since "Trinity". And if it isn't to blame, what is:confused:

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I don't think they would have been considered to have committed a crime - for rape to be confirmed it has to be witnessed by three men.......and it would be the girl who was stoned to death, not the men...or at least that is my understanding.

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Our own attitudes and PC-ism have to be called into question too.
The police were too afraid of being labelled racist to pursue the cases with the vigour they deserved....they knew what was going on, but it was bad publicity for the muslim community......who also wanted it kept out of the public view.
Even now there are those in the muslim community who are in denial.
The MP Keith Vaz still says this was not a racist/ethnic crime....yet Trevor Phillips the head of the Racial Equality commission says that it is...only a coloured man could get away with saying that.

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No the woman would be the victim so why would she be stoned to death?? the info on that page is a little confusing. But in my theorized picture of sending of these men to an Islamic country to be served punishment, in this case the English girls won't be under scrutiny. Because they are not applicable to their laws and wouldn't be sent. Science can prove the men are all guilty.

And they can't have sex out of marriage in any form. In the extreme case all of them would be executed, including the woman. That is my understanding of it.

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That is the way it is...the woman is stoned because she has seduced the man...overcome him with her body...made him unable to resist those male urges.
Three men have to witness a rape and testify against the man who committed the act....and even if this happens it is the woman who is stoned.
There was a very sad case in Saudi where a widow was raped by her brother in law and she was stoned to death.

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If it is to blame, then it is equally shared blame with all other religions. And Religion itself is a threat to world stability.

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This is the Islam I'm talking about:

Normalizing the Kingston Honor Killings | FrontPage Magazine

I think that someone posted about the new Dutch attitude to Islamic immigration. The point that struck me was that Islamic immigrants were forming a parallel culture. This is the threat. It's a culture which is not British, not English.

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Are you serious? This is fortune cookie logic.

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:) best post in this thread Eric.

Religion on a whole IS cookie logic.

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Can't agree there Restless, BUT the way men perceive religion could qualify;)

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nail...head...hit....! Spot on John.

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Too many people use religion like a hammer to pound their hatred into everything they do.

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that is because they have interpreted the message to suit their own ends......rather than what the religion actually means.
I am spiritual rather than religious.........there is a vast difference.

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Yep vast. There is something i can appreciate

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To me its just the fanatics Restless, but because they get a lot of media coverage, it rubs of on the majority, when in fact its only a very small minority that are guilty

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Yeah I was kinda getting at that. Though perhaps not directly

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Problem with this argument is that, with islam, it is not only fanatics who are a threat, it is also the mainstream, who wish to form a parallel culture, based on religion, in countries which have at the core of their existence the separation of church and state, not to mention gender equality ...

One could apply the same argument to the Roman Catholic Church: it is only a few peadophile priests who are giving the whole church a bad name. Funny though, I don't think I've come accross this argument on AccyWeb.

And this "very small minority" seems to be stirring up a lot of feces in the world. I seem to remember that a lot of Germans brought up this argument after WWll ... the nazis were only a small minority ... Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Goebels, Borman, Mengele, and a half dozen others ... but they worked damned hard.:rolleyes:

And Jaysay, if I get red korma for this, I will be sure to share it with you;):D And I'll even get a nice white whine to go with it ... Canadian, of course.:D