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garinda

15-06-2012 23:11

Re: funny how democracey works for some and not others

I was ten in 1975, when we last had a referendum on Europe.

We had a mock referendum at my primary school.

I headed the No campaign.

We won.

garinda

15-06-2012 23:15

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 997980)

My dad said he'd voted yes, so I did to.

Weird.

Never really understood that copy-cat mentality myself.

Hopefully you never saw your Dad 'on' your Mother, so to speak.

cashman

15-06-2012 23:19

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Me mam n dad voted No, always had me own mind. Am near sure also me late wife voted No. Disagreed, but proved she was no sheep either.

garinda

15-06-2012 23:33

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 997987)

Me mam n dad voted No, always had me own mind. Am near sure also me late wife voted No. Disagreed, but proved she was no sheep either.

There's no shame, whatever way people voted in 1975.

Others have already posted how they voted back then, and have since changed their minds.

The fact of the matter, nearly forty years later, is that the European Union has sod all to do with a purely trade alliance, which the Common Market was sold as, way back when.

jaysay

16-06-2012 09:07

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 997936)

Nope, they changed the goalposts, tweaked the question, and used tactics akin to, your firstborn will be eaten by locusts by the Germans if you say no.

That's why there are judges...to interpret the law and overturn it, where necessary, when it is found to be unreasonable

Where is your evidence that a yes/no would be naive?

Simplistically this country voted yes to a trade agreement, (which I'm ok with) which was somehow, turned into a united states of europe, interfering with the policies, laws and economy of it's member states, governed by freeloaders, bankers and the Germans, who are not even accountable to it's own internal assessors (which I'm not ok with)

Spot on there Guinness, absolutely spot on, wonder what would happen in the government of GB couldn't sign off on its accounts for 16 years:rolleyes:

jaysay

16-06-2012 09:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 997981)

I voted Yes back then, cos i believe the Common Market was a great idea,n i was always a Labour Voter, But unlike some i have never been a sheep.:rolleyes:;)

To be honest I didn't vote in the referendum as I was away working and didn't have a PV because I was sent away just two days prior to the vote, and to be honest I had little or on interest in Europe at the time, but I sure as hell never heard anything about being asked to vote for a federal state

Margaret Pilkington

16-06-2012 14:22

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I voted NO in the referendum of the EEC(Common Market) I was always suspicious that there was more to it than we were being told.

Margaret Pilkington

16-06-2012 14:25

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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 997884)

A simple YES/NO vote on the UK membership would be an exercise in naivety.

Simple questions mean that there is no ambiguity...no bamboozlement, nothing that could be open to duplicitous interpretation.
YES = We stay in.
NO = We come out.
How is that naive?

Margaret Pilkington

16-06-2012 14:29

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 997981)

But unlike some i have never been a sheep.:rolleyes:;)

Me neither Cashy...A monkey...maybe, a sheep...Never!

garinda

16-06-2012 16:21

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 998089)

Simple questions mean that there is no ambiguity...no bamboozlement, nothing that could be open to duplicitous interpretation.
YES = We stay in.
NO = We come out.
How is that naive?

Yes/No.

In/Out.

Right/Wrong.

Responding to a fair, clearly worded question is only labelled naive by those who fear the answer.

gynn	16-06-2012 16:36

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 998116)

Yes/No.

In/Out.

Right/Wrong.

Responding to a fair, clearly worded question is only labelled naive by those who fear the answer.

The answer would be a clear vote to leave the EU. Nothing remotely to do with being afraid of the answer.

All to do with being in a position to do anything about it.

garinda

16-06-2012 17:00

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Originally Posted by gynn (Post 998120)

The answer would be a clear vote to leave the EU. Nothing remotely to do with being afraid of the answer.

All to do with being in a position to do anything about it.

You've already stated you're happy with Britain's membership of the European Union.

So your opposition to a referendum, and defence for not having one, is somewhat tainted.

That's a fact...and we've got used to it.

The need for a referendum, whatever the result, is about a principle.

As the body we are members of today is fundamentally different from the organisation we voted to join.

That is wrong, and urgently needs addressing.

jaysay

17-06-2012 10:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 998127)

Its always been about the principle Rindi, which apparently some people don't have, when we had a referendum before it was straight in or out and that was nothing to do with a single state just a trading agreement

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