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cashman

01-07-2012 22:35

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Please explain to the world "Why" it would be utter madness to leave the E.U.? Haven't noticed countries that aint in it, like Norway doin too badly.

ToffeeGuy

01-07-2012 22:52

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000709)

Please explain to the world "Why" it would be utter madness to leave the E.U.? Haven't noticed countries that aint in it, like Norway doin too badly.

And on the list of most prosperous countries Denmark is second, which is in the EU. The next highest European country on the list is Sweden at #5, also in the EU.

Norway's prosperity is mainly due to oil and a progressive social welfare system. There's nothing to say that if they did join the EU they wouldn't be even more prosperous.

cashman

01-07-2012 22:54

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Yeh still aint give the reasons.:rolleyes:

ToffeeGuy

01-07-2012 23:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000712)

Yeh still aint give the reasons.:rolleyes:

I refer the honourable gentleman to the lengthy answer I gave in a similar thread - Re: funny how democracey works for some and not others

But, in summary. Peace and freetrade.

garinda

01-07-2012 23:30

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000707)

If we did vote to leave the EU who's going to make sure my banana is straight?

It will NEVER happen.

Things change.

Some would have once said mildly racist comments would never be moved from the Lancashire Telegraph website...but your's were.

You can't halt progress.

Especially when the majority support it.

;)

garinda

01-07-2012 23:37

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000712)

Yeh still aint give the reasons.:rolleyes:

Give him a chance.

It's all rather sticky.

Not made any easier of course, him being the missing Uncle Joe's Mint Ball.

ToffeeGuy

01-07-2012 23:38

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1000714)

Culturalist but never racist.

garinda

01-07-2012 23:45

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000716)

Culturalist but never racist.

Arguable.

Your comment asking how many of the local population, there to see the Olympic torch, were wearing burkhas (sic), could be seen as anti-Islamic, sexist, and racist, seeing as most Muslim women in the area are Asian.

The Telegraphed obviously thought your comment was unaceptable, seeing as they deleted it.

Progress.

;)

garinda

01-07-2012 23:48

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000716)

Culturalist but never racist.

I think for us to accept you as being cultured, you'd first have to learn how to spell burka/burqa correctly.

ToffeeGuy

01-07-2012 23:57

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 1000718)

I think for us to accept you as being cultured, you'd first have to learn how to spell burka/burqa correctly.

I was merely making a fashion statement. I didn't see many people wearing feather boas either but that would have been my next comment.

garinda

02-07-2012 00:01

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 1000719)

I was merely making a fashion statement. I didn't see many people wearing feather boas either but that would have been my next comment.

Woefully naive, racist...and unamusing.

Well done.

The full set.

There had to be something unique about you.

Now we know.

Margaret Pilkington

02-07-2012 06:39

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1000709)

Please explain to the world "Why" it would be utter madness to leave the E.U.? Haven't noticed countries that aint in it, like Norway doin too badly.

Cashy that is what the Europhiles want us to believe. It is scaremongering. It is the citing of job losses...and other things, that would make life in the UK harder for the common man...telling us that the countries in Europe would refuse to trade with us.

If we have a good product that is competitive...then the world will beat a path to our door.

It really doesn't matter how things go, to us 'oldies'. We have had our lives.

It does matter for the younger generations....if they do not want to be constantly paying for the debts of the weaker countries in the EU....Saddled with financial responsibility of them......if they do not want to be ruled from Brussels with laws that do not reflect our(the electorates) wishes....if they want to have work to support their families...then we must have the chance to be the authors of our own destiny.

We must be allowed a vote...and a vote that has the reality of action attached to it.
If we are allowed to vote and that vote is not acted upon - for whatever reason. I think it would be safe to say that British democracy is dead......and we might as well turn Westminster into a nursing home for old duffers.
Still, looking on the positive side(which you taught me so well Cashy) we could stop paying for those lazy, money grubbing, trough snorters....the MP's(Honourable isn't exactly how I would describe them).

As an aside. David Cameron is just playing a cynical vote catching game, that might just turn and bite him on the bum.

jaysay

02-07-2012 08:51

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Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 1000669)

Confirming a complete U-turn on his "cast iron guarantee" that the Tory government would hold a public vote on the controversial treaty. David Cameron 04/11/2009

Guardian News

You can't hold a vote on something that has already become law, and the Lisbon Treaty was signed by one Gordon Brown while he was PM

jaysay

02-07-2012 08:58

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1000726)

Cameron IS playing a cynical game Margaret, but he's a politician and that's what they do, its in their blood, they say one thing then do anything they want once they've got your vote and power for the next 5 years, its only after the start of the 5th year that they start the con game again;)

keep the faith

08-07-2012 16:34

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I'd just like to make a very important point on this subject. Before anyone rushes to vote for any party that will bring us out of Europe.The bulk of the current employment laws and workers rights have been put in place to fall in line with the rest of Europe, eg. 90 days consultation period in redundancy situations, maximum hours of work etc. etc. etc
The minute we leave to stand on our own I have no doubt these laws will be repealed in no time at all to bring us more in line with the " hire em, fire em" system in the USA.
Be very careful not to act too hasty when considering your options

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