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Would any of our councillors who frequent this website kindly explain how much this pointless, inane, 181 person sample from a 40k population survey cost me?

Hyndburn play area smoke ban wins support (From Lancashire Telegraph)

And then would they please spend this on something a little more relevant, like for instance, the drinking and drug taking problems, or the return of the benches, or decent roadsweepers, or bolstering the flagging market, or replacing the bone idle binmen with ones who actually ensure the rubbish reaches the dustcart etc...etc...etc...

Anyone with half a brain would tell you that smoking around kids is bad, therefore according to this survey 40% of people in Hyndburn are halfwits...the irony here is that 40% is roughly the turnout at local and national elections...go figure

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'The survey, undertaken by independent consultants...'

Hyndburn play area smoke ban wins support (From Lancashire Telegraph)




I wonder just how much they were paid, from the tax payers' purse?

What a waste of money.

What happened to common sense, and using your own, logical, judgement?

The only public consultation H.B.C. should be carrying out is one asking whether residents think the council should be supporting Pakistan, in contentious international conflicts.

Though I could save them the time, and money, of carrying out such an exercise.

The vast majority don't.

I was accosted by three nutters today, off their face on drink and/or drugs.

I think tackling Accrington's Maundy Model Village is a much more pressing concern, when it comes to making the borough a safer place to be, for those wandering the streets who aren't high as a kite.

After being accosted whilst doing some shopping, I did look for somewhere to sit and recover...but couldn't find anywhere.

Yes, retro's in.

The eighties are back.

Frankie Says Relax, shoulder pads, ra-ra skirts...loony left councils.

Derek Hatton help us all.

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Now if they employed independent consultants to find out what effect Maundy Village was having on the downward spiral of the town centre that would make sense, providing they acted on the findings

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I hate non enforceable 'rules' like this will be. I was asked to be part of the survey, I did not take part.

I know who and what is behind it and I personally think they should have stopped as soon as they found out they could not enforce it.

Lets spend the money making the kids play areas a nice place to be and not waste it on this.

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Spot on Neil, the council should be pro positive and anti negative, then we might get somewhere, but I ain't holding my breath

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Like with the bouncy castles, you make the little darlings take their shoes off. So, before you let the little tykes into the play park, make 'em put their smokes & lighters in an amnesty box & they can pick 'em up on their way out. ;) :D

Result ?????

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I can't find the 'Like' button.

:D:confused::D

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I saw the headline for this as I got to the shop this morning. Needless ( or should that be the Accy Town Centre version needles ) to say my blood pressure was set for the day :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I've lost all hope of any sanity prevailing in the council chambers these days

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Interesting last line. Will there be a survey to decide if they are ever going to implement it ?

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Probably not wise then, to use the Freedom of Information Act to enquire just how much our council paid this independent consultancy firm, to carry out their vital work.

Deep breath.

Things Can Only Get Better.

So famously sang D:Ream (On).

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I sincerely doubt that we have spent money on this, it has been looked at through the Communities O&S committee which doesn't have a budget. We've been lobbied recently by an anti-smoking group and it seems more likely that they have done the research and given us the results as they came to give a presentation at the last Cabinet meeting with supporting figures.

A simple FOI request will tell you what you need to know without any spin.

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Do many independent consultancy firms do much work for no pay?

I've yet to hear of one.

Perhaps you could name them Councillor?

I'm sure there's plenty of people who'll avail themselves of their no-fee professional services.

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Unless you 'know', any input isn't really much use here, is it?

Sort of like posting guess work...or spin.

I'll eat my jaunty little hat if this consultancy firm used by the council, received no money from the public purse for their efforts.

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So the health Nazis are shoving it up the smokers again, okay fine, but they should also have a go at the Lardies (for the sake of equality & all that guff) & make sure no ones shoving burgers, chips or even pop down their grids too. Then of course there's those marvellous parents with the potty mouths, how about making sure expletives & cursing are also taken into account.

After all it is about protecting the poor impressionable kidlets .............. isn't it ? :rolleyes:

“I am very keen to see a ban within play parks brought in, as it is just common sense not to XXXXXX in front of children."

Her very own words, but just add your personal peeve where the x's are.

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the anti smoking group probably asked their mates and thats it.Common decencey dictates that you dont smoke around kids when they are playing in play areas but these anti smoking idiots dont think of that nor do they think about how the play areas are used at night by older kids some of them who will smoke and leave fag ends laying around.Its not as though they are going to get caught at night smoking on the climbing frame i dare say the police have bigger issues.

not a smoker anymore but ill be damned if i change my view that these anti smoking campaigners are facists and want everything their own way or no way at all:mad:

personally i would rather the council conduct its own surveys and act on them than take some groups word that they conducted a fair and level survey.If its a stupid and pointless matter then dont do a survey and vice versa if it is.

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Oh, and by the way, welcome back, Cllr. Kenneth.

Accy Web without you is like an eighties Lambeth Council, without Linda Bellos.

Every court needs a jester, to keep the laughs coming.

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Even if it is unintentionally.

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Babies round here aren't raised on the nipple.

There's much less painful chafing if you use a Gregg's sausage roll.

;)

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That's disgusting, unless it's smeared in HP, which would just about make it edible ! :rolleyz8:

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They only suckle sausage rolls until they're fully weaned.

Then they're old enough to manage a Big Mac and fries.

:dummy2:

;):D

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Ah, the step up from pulp to solids. ;)

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Eat your XXXXXXX Fries or you won't get an ice bun for desert you little XXXXX!

Please note, in the interest of animal care, when administering an ice bun avoid the ones with currants in them as these could choke the pigeons when the little darlin' leaves a trail of crumbs behind his pushchair.
:(

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No matter what you say Kenneth, there is no such thing as a free lunch, somebody will have paid for this survey, you say it hasn't cost HBC anything, well it will have been paid for out of public money somewhere along the line, these people don't work for nout, nor do they work for peanuts either, its always the taxpayer who foots the bill, that means the man in the street will have paid for it one way or another. If the people who sanction these surveys had to pay for them out of their own pocket, there wouldn't be too many undertaken, but its not their money throw it about like confetti

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If this was commisioned by someone other than HBC then how did this come about -"Coun McCormack said that would have to be balanced with practical issues.
She said: “We included that question to gauge how strongly people felt about smoking, but we have to consider the effects."

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The honest answer Barrie is that I don't know, it's not my committee. However, since that committee has no budget it seems unlikely that they would have commissioned a survey, particularly in view of the recent lobbying by external parties. It's a nationwide issue in any case, at the moment government is looking to implement plain packaging on cigarette packets so it could be part of that. I haven't been part of it directly so I'm really not the best person to ask.

Like I say, try Freedom of Information for a spin-free answer:

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Including loaded questions as a gauge is counter productive.

Since the majority of posts both here, and on the Telegraph website are basically telling council to stop wasting your time on frivolities and, to quote one poster on the telegraph site, 'populist bandwagons', maybe our councillors should actually start work on what most members of the local population really want instead of constantly poking their noses into nationwide issues.

So as a Hyndburn resident, I hereby lobby our council to take a look at, and deal with, the local concerns posted in various threads on this website and stop mucking about. (and pigs might fly)

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They cost the tax payer money.

Some poor council employee, taken away from the duties they were employed to do, running round, finding the information that people requested.

Perhaps most people would consider that a waste of their taxes, in these harsh economic times, when we are already experiencing cuts in services.

Or rather, another waste of money.

Along with this recently carried out survey, carried out on behalf of the council, and something the council presumably thinks is a newsorthy idea. Seeing as details were given to the press.

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But our councillors are big players on the international, as well as the national stage.

Where would Pakistan be in the Kashmir conflict, without the backing of Hyndburn International Borough Council?

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Ho Hum its not your committee Ken:rolleyes:

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Thought they did away with committes by in 2002:confused:

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Cllr. Ken's on the dog dirt, and night vision committees.

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Oh sorry, forgot about that;)

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Better late than never, the surveys were done for free by the local volunteer Green Spaces Forum and 'Friends Of' groups. The results were then incorporated into the Communities and Wellbeing Overview & Scrutiny Committee's report.

It didn't cost HBC a bean.

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Yo have spoilt it now by telling them who did the survey, they will have to find something else to moan about.

I did think about explaining all about it at the time but must have been busy :D

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Neil you know as well as I do there is no such thing as a free lunch no matter how you serve it up, you can guarantee that somebody somewhere has paid for this, usually the tax payer

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I am not paid for the work I do with several local charities.
I don't usually mention things because there is always someone who wants to ridicule local things and they are usually to idle to do anything better themselves.

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Different scenario Neil, when I here that things are done within the public sector for nout, it doesn't fly, HBC will not be using material from surveys where those doing the survey have done the work out of the goodness of the hearts, if HBC didn't pay somebody will and it WILL have come from the public purse, somewhere along the line:rolleyes:

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This is from a man who used to be at the heart of local politics! A member of the council tells you something in writing on a public forum and you say it's nonsense. How could I possibly state that and get away with it if it's not true? Neil backs me up and you still come back with the 'cobblers' line.

This survey was free, it didn't cost anyone anything at HBC, it was gratis, costless, totally unpaid for.

And you find something to moan about.

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Personally I think it's funny.

Yet another example of just how bad this current lot of councillors are at public relations, especially in regards to the press.

'The survey, undertaken by independent consultants, quizzed 181 local parents...'

Hyndburn play area smoke ban wins support (From Lancashire Telegraph)

So basically it was Gayle Knight, and the Green candidate woman from that 'ethical' co-op, asking people if they thought that blowing smoke in a kiddie's face, whilst it was strapped in a baby swing, was wrong.

Hardly shock findings. More like common sense.

Not up there with night vision dog turds, but still amusingly bad, and yet another example of this Labour council's skill at public misinformation.

It's like them making a big song and dance about the Portas pilot thing, as if it was already in the bag. When in reality they'd acquired a lottery ticket, and had a miniscule chance of winning a prize.

Looks bad, when nothing comes of it. Which also happened with the announcement about Blackburn Road's tarting up, which again came to nothing.

Some of these numpties may now be responsible for massive budgets, finances provided by the tax payer, but if their role was a professional job, most of them wouldn't get a reply if they applied for it, nevermind get a first interview.

Always more impressive if you can actually play a tune...when blowing your own trumpet.

Rather than just making some big din.

:rolleyes:

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What do they say?

Something about closing the stable door, only after the horse has bolted.

I think it might be better to concentrate on the damage you're doing to yourselves via the press, rather than worrying about us on here.

;)

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Is it any wonder that I tend to question anything Councillor Moss says on this Wed Site, after all prior to election he was on daily with his political diatribe, using the site as his own propaganda tool. yet when elected and questions were asked neither he nor his cohorts were able to comment. Its the old scenario you can say anything you want in opposition, but questions become harder to answer while in power

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Whilst that may be the case, when in or out of power, The torys aint the balls to come anywhere near accyweb, fact! At least this lot do comment occasionally.:rolleyes:

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think its a case of what ever floats your boat, and they only come on here when its proactive, didn't see much of um when the benches moved from outside the Market Hall, although to be fair they did send the heavy mod round to see Rindi :rolleyes:

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What?...they sent Paul Weller over to see Mr G? Hope he made him a cuppa! ;)

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Of course.

It would be Bad Manners not to.

Though to balance things out, I made sure she didn't have anywhere to park her arse, and didn't offer her a seat.

Bad Manners -- Ne-Ne Na-Na Na-Na Nu-Nu (Studio, TOTP) - YouTube

:D

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It was like over the garden wall then Rindi:D

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No, not him, Mick's put on a great deal of weight just lately & Jay did a typo', it should have said 'the heavy admin'.
:D

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Shucks there's no getting past your eagle eye is there Less:D

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Did I miss the bit in the paper that said Gayle was involved? I was not aware she had anything to do with it.

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That was just a stab at humour.

Seeing as Cllr. Kenny said the reported 'independent consultants' was actually carried out 'by the local volunteer Green Spaces Forum and 'Friends Of' groups.'

I could have said your good self, but you don't make an amusing a picture.

Even though you too have your finger in many different pies nowadays.

As you are so keen to inform us all.

;)

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Just because I am involved with a group or chair a meeting does not mean I agree with everything that is discussed in a meeting.

I do not like unenforceable 'rules' that rely on people doing the so called right thing. When some people don't it just annoys others and they then moan about the Council for not enforcing what they think is law. A bit like the no ball games allowed signs and don't park on the grass signs on my street.

If the no smoking in play grounds was legally enforceable then I would probably be for it, until it is I am not interested in it which is pretty much what I said in the meeting I chaired. My personal opinion did not mean it was not discussed though.

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Neil I was once told that things like no ball games sign's were not enforceable, whether that's true or not I'm not sure

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I don't think many people would disagree with you on that.

What's amusing is that some numpty at the council thought this was another newsworthy item to release to the press.

As well as being an International Council, we're now fast becoming known as a loony-left council too, as last seen in the eighties.

:rolleyes:

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:enough:Be careful Rindi you'll be upseting Cllr Ken:D

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A survey among 180 friends isn't likely to get a result which reflects public opinion.

The fact that they are friends indicates that they agree on most topics.

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From what I remember it was a heath development officer from the NHS that approached HBC about this so it was not thought up by HBC.

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I think you might be misunderstanding the term friend. These were community groups with interests in the play areas the scheme was targeting. I am sure many of the people may be friends but also many will not be friends in the true sense of the word.

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Friends or not, looks to me like they all pee in the same pot.:D

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...and not the 'independent consultants', reported in the press.

Rose West gets better press coverage, thanks to whover's responsible for H.B.C.'s P.R.

:rolleyes:

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The National Health Service?

Well it's a start.

At least it wasn't the Kashmiri, or International Health Service.

:rolleyes:

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Yes, the loony tag they'll be happy with.

Though the term 'left' might upset them.

;)

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Well its probably a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hands doing, thats if the right is doing anything at all:rolleyes:

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Not really, John. I just sit back and smile at one person's armchair view of the Council. Why only post once when he can post half a dozen stating the same thing over and over in the vain hope that someone will share his opinion with such zeal?

Same old keyboard warrior's story: 'I think something therefore the rest of the world must do too.'

If there's a silver lining to anything, Garinda will find the cloud.

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Di-dums.

:dummy2:

Dry those tears, you silly little chap.

You :Banane14:, and the other little Labour cry-babies :Banane14::Banane14::Banane14:, used to gurgle away quite gleefully, when I was doing exactly what I'm doing now. Other than the then target happened to be those you see as your political opponents.



If something is idiotic, I'll say so, Regardless of whichever party is responsible.

By the way, you may want to ask someone to check your adult sized Pampers.

Every time you pop up on here now, Rindy smells plop-plops.

:pain30:

(Cue usual retort from the politically blinkered, very un-p.c. when aimed at the disabled, that you should keep your opinions to yourself, unless you're actively involved in whatever's being discussed.)

:rolleyes:

[Dream on babycakes.]

;)

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Wrong.

Again.

I'm just as keen on praise, when it's deserved.

Again, regardless of who is responsible.

For anyone new, or sadly suffering from insomnia, click on Cllr. Kenny's username, and read through his old posts, before his party took control of the council.

Vile, nasty, personal attacks...constantly, against his perceived political enemies.

If you're really bored, and haven't already cut your wrists reading Cllr. Kenny's diatribe, read through mine.

Scathing sometimes, yes, but also well balanced, covering many, many differing subjects.

Plus mine are likely filled with humorous quips, so the odd titter is almost guaranteed.

Unlike the monotonous rants of some other, half-blinded members on here.

;)

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Think it boils down to that saying by Corporal Jones Rindi, they don't like it up um Captain Mainwaring:rolleyes:

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I couldn't possibly comment.

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Oh dear -life a bit of a delusion?

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:D

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I actually think you didn't have a problem with Rindi's views on the council when control lay somewhere else, the fact that he still now has the same views as before don't seem to curry favour with comrade Joneses Red Army.;)

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Bit of a sad, out of date 1970s Daily Mail sort of comment that, don't you think, John?

Talk me through Wendy Dwyer's communist threat to the fabric of 2012 Accrington life.........

...or Pam Barton's Kremlin-backed campaign to turn Hyndburn into a satellite of North Korea......

:(

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Notice I used the correct name;)

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My turn to dredge an old thread up.. :)

Anyone on the council care to comment on why they turned down planning permission to have Whitebirk done up for free yet decide to spend £25k of our money on assessing the viability of creating something similar just over a mile away at the bottom end of Rishton :confused:

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If you can tell me exactly where we are trying to duplicate what Peel Holdings wanted elsewhere in Rishton then do let me know.

Be specific.

Please.

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Is this not what he's on about?

Major development plan for canal bank - Accrington Observer

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Possibly Susie, but if there is a comparison being made between a canal side and a retail park then some further research may be needed before diving in with comments about it on this forum.

Answers to the usual address.

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Why not try investing some money in the town centre before it disappears for good, rather than chasing some hair brained development along the canal? As leaders of the council Labour are beconming a laughing stock, quite ready to dog the Conservatives when they were in power but doing beggar all to sort the problems of the failing town centre out.

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Erm....

Peel Holdings - shops, supermarkets, cafe etc... for free and in a much more accessible area that would benefit everyone

HBC canalside development - shops, supermarkets, cafe etc... 20k (which will probably only be a starting figure) to draw up a plan for an area that would only benefit a small percentage of people

Specific enough?

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Rishton is becoming the new Oswaldtwisle, Guinness:rolleyes:

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I think we have to remember that is the Borough of Hyndburn and Accrington is no longer the capital of the borough.

I'm all for spending money in the outer reaches of the borough. The millions spent on turning Accrington in to a major refugee centre would be wasted and I'm not convinced it needs anymore money spent on it. Lets spend some money on the far reaches of the borough and see if they can attract what Accrington has got. It would be a dreadful loss to us in town if they all move out but hey ho, it's a price we have to pay :)

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I'm sure Clare Pritchard would be grateful to hear those words of encouragement.

The local press used to be the starting point for many debates on this forum and yet these days no one seems to pick up on anything before commenting. Clare and her team have been working tirelessly to get people in to the town centre by holding endless talks with the owners of the Arndale Centre for better rates. The new bus station is on the way, there will be more car parking spaces by the market, the flags in front of the market is being turned into an open-air market once again and there are modifications coming to the town hall to turn it into a proper venue for weddings and conferences.

The canal project was my idea because at the moment most of the old mills are demolished and the sites are vacant. It is pointless waiting until they're built on before thinking about how they should be built on. Common sense really, we either take the reins and get what's best for us or let the developers have it their way for maximum profits. Bungalows, shops, bars, things which there is a need for in the area. It's either that or poxy shoebox houses and flats, which would you choose?

I've never said that we're flawless but I venture that we're a damn sight better than our predecessors and I'm pleased to say that I don't get comments about being a laughing stock in Rishton, quite the reverse. We're seen more than previous Councillors used to be, it isn't just one man pulling all the strings and my residents are at least aware of what is going on in the village now.

Since May 2011 we have addressed problems in every single ward, not appearing to prioritise just the one the Leader of the Council happens to live in.

If you'd rather go back to that then you've got an annual vote.

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What he said.

Just with a bigger dash of sarcasm

;)

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In my dreams, John....

I've just got off my arse and done some legwork that's all.

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Oh eck, I'm slacking :D

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Ken wake up n smell the coffee, whilst talking to the Arndale owners about reasonable rates may help a bit, the major problem is getting people back down accy on a regular basis, thats fact! Many have been driven away by St Dorothys begging brigade n are hardly likely to return until that is sorted,in fact was only the other day Drinkers were in the Market Doorway annoying people, This was reported i know fer fact, But the Market Police were away on a coarse,:rolleyes: Approx 1 hr later, the regular police turned up, They didn't even confiscate the booze. Please explain to all us dimwits how stuff like this will attract people, no matter what the rates are?:confused:

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You could spend billions in Accrington but if it's not spent ridding the town of wasters then it's pointless. This will never happen because there is a constant denial the problem exists.

Going back to the original resurrection of the thread, is the idea something along along the lines of the Reedley Hallows marina thing at Burnley ?

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Comments noted Cashy and I'll make sure that this is brought up with the Town Centre team. It's not something that I work on but if it needs addressing (which it clearly does) then I'm sure it can be looked at as part of ongoing works.

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Sort of, yes. The particular stretch of canal in Rishton is currently a unique opportunity where everything is demolished and no planning permission has been finalised. There is bags of potential here for a thriving commercial/residential development that could be self-sustaining in terms of maintenance.

Any actual development is probably years off but this should set the framework for what eventually ends up there.

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Just a thought, Ken.
I thought 'poxy shoebox houses and flats' were called 'low cost housing ' for first time buyers and young couples? And the Labour Party were all in favour of 'low cost housing' and not bungalows (with spare bedrooms) for rich old people.

As for shops and bars- do you really need more of them, haven't you enough empty ones available now? It's a long time since I was there but I can't imagine the canal side in Rishton will have much pulling power.

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There is no shortage of planning applications for small houses packed together and in my view Hyndburn is the ultimate area for low cost starter homes - I live in a terrace and it is a fantastic house which has cost a fraction of something smaller but which would have been marketed as bigger. We are desperate for bungalows and housing for the elderly, I want to make this a condition of new development on this land.

In terms of shops, a small supermarket wouldn't go down too badly with residents from the research I've been doing and maintenance fees could be bundled in with any rents to ensure that the stretch of waterway was kept clean and tidy.

The document is way off being completed yet but I have high hopes that we can make something interesting for future developments that will actually improve the community rather than just sucking resources out of it.

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As another shop is due to close it appears that the talks with the owners of the Arndale aren't going to well. As for the new bus station, a complete waste of money IMHO, you are taking people away from the market and to an area where more and more shops are closing. You can bet your bottom dollar that more stalls will diappear from the market when the planned bus station emerges.

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You are quite keen on establishing the fact that Rishton is a 'village'...it has a thriving butchers, sandwich shop, a small independent supermarket, 2 chemists, a furniture shop, a computer shop, a carpet shop, a couple of takeaways, a restaurant, newsagents, post office, three pubs and three clubs....

The mind boggles that you think it needs more :confused:

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To be fair Bernadette, these are pretty exceptional times. We've seen some major players go into administration in the past 12 months and attracting names to Accrington is not going to be helped with people such as Cllr Britcliffe who this week was once again spouting in the Council chamber about what we don't have rather than what we can do.

No one has ever said that town centre regeneration is easy but we really do need to accentuate the positives if we are to get anywhere. There is plenty still going for Accrington and I've got lots of things I needed without going further afield.

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It is my job to do the best I can for Rishton, it's what I was elected for. In terms of facilities Rishton is not too badly off but that doesn't mean I can stop trying to improve things for the good of the residents.

Or would it be better to rest on my laurels and wave the red flag every four years?

;)

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You're on the spot and in the centre of things, I'm not so I defer to your opinion.
But if you don't bring life back into the town centre soon you may have won a battle(in Rishton) but you'll have lost the war(in Hyndburn).

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A fair point Gordon and I'm a Hyndburn Councillor too which means it is my duty to see the bigger picture but believe me we all do. I have every faith in my colleagues who are doing everything they can for Accrington.

That is one bloody big hill to climb though at this present time, we just are not getting the money from central government that we need to invest in capital programmes.

Hyndburn has had the biggest cuts in grants of the entire country because officially we are spending more as a Council per resident than places down South.

Work that one out.

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Bungalows don't have to be for the rich(?), they can be part of low cost housing too.

Absolutely right Ken, please can there be some in Accy as well as Rishton? My cousin who is 82 has been trying for a council bungalow for years, every time one comes up, which isn't often, they're as rare as hen's teeth, she is no further up the list and gets very frustrated.

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Shes probably English and worked all her life susie? Hence yeh get nowhere in this world, not just Hyndburn.:rolleyes:

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About time all this money your being paid:D

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Which it clearly does :eek::eek::eek: Hell I hadn't been in Accy Town Centre for years, I was absolutely amazed at what has happened, there wasn't a soul to be seen on Abbey Street except people wandering around and sitting on a wall waiting for the good fairy to arrive with goodies, Broadway was nearly as bad for the same reason, only the happy people had already been serviced up the road and were freely wandering down the road to annoy what shoppers were there. Its not like the "Town Centre Team" don't know what's going on, I've seen enough of um wandering around admiring the sights, maybe they haven't the bottle to take on Saint Dorothy and tell her enough is enough, but believe me nothings about to change anytime soon, not even new businesses nor a new Bus Station will alter the situation until the underlying problem is sorted and even then it could be too late, people have already found new place to shop, and its going to be very hard to persuade them to come back

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Well we all thought it would be Britcliffe's fault, that's all you can ever say, it might be an idea to cast your mind back a few years when may the negative comments your lot were spouting week in week out might have had a negative effect then, no doubt another case of the kettle calling the pan sooty bum:rolleyes:

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two chemists?
Good grief there must be alot of unhealthy people in Rishton, Oh hang on though on a quick count there are at least 5 just on B'burn Rd Accy.