Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014187)

would the type of individual that uses "a weapon", not just replace the weapon? and where do we draw the line?
human nature to fight, alcohol fuels anger and impairs judgement, pool cues,bar stools, tables, wall fixtures among many other things have been used as weapons.

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014187)

would the type of individual that uses "a weapon", not just replace the weapon? and where do we draw the line?
human nature to fight, alcohol fuels anger and impairs judgement, pool cues,bar stools, tables, wall fixtures among many other things have been used as weapons.

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 1014192)

Back to a pewter tankard imho, nice to drink from and doesn't splinter etc like glass.

I agree that the real solution should be simply, glass someone and you are inside for a long time

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1014195)

Of course they could, but as the thread starter is campaigning against glasses in pubs I answered discussing glasses, a beer mat or a ball point pen could also be used as weapons in the wrong hands.
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014200)

"glassing" someone, would usually be charged as section 18, but then with "deals" this would be reduced to section 20, to save money on trials and such like

ie if you go guilty, (irrelevant if you are or not) you get a lesser sentence.

from experience, i was once in this position
was charged with "wounding with the intent to cause grevious bodily harm" section 18

it was reduced to section 20, "unlawful and malicious wounding"

at the time, i was advised to go not guilty from my brief, as it was an "over reaction in self defence"

i was told if found guilty, after going not guilty, minimum 5 years

however if i plead guilty, then the judge would accept that it was an over reaction in self defence, and give me a non custodial sentence, at the time i had 3 young children, and it was a no brainer, i took the plea deal.

i dont believe justice was served that day, justice didn't even come into it, bureaucracy, and costs did

before people "judge me" again, this was quite some time ago, and i was attacked in "my own home, and was defending my family", one of "the victims" was a convicted armed robber

i should have had the courage to go all the way and plead not guilty, however the potential "cost" was to high, and i took the cowards way out.

this wasnt a ramble, well may have been to some, but to try and give an insight into how "the justice" system works or doesnt work,

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1014227)

From my way of thinking if a persons home is invaded for a purpose of either burglary or doing harm then the household should be able to use as much force as he or she wants especially if children are involved, people who enter your home unlawfully should have no rights what so ever, but we all know that isn't the cast although more people are having any charges drop after home invasion, to me its simple if your somewhere for illegal purposes then there should be no get out close, you get what you deserve

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014233)

i agree with you john, however the laws, is an ass, and even offenders have rights,

but until you are in that situation, you dont know what you would do.
take the chance that 12 people feel the same way, or through use of legal argument they say "you went too far", which in my case what was said

2 of them, 1 of me, and they turned up to my doorwith the sole intention of violence.

but had the cheek, on their statements to say, direct quote "he was like a man possessed, i was in fear of my life"

i did what any other normal person would do, but was punished for it

apparantley, i was only charged because " i didnt report it, and they did"
the custody sergeant told me that

but that is a complete thread wander and going way of subject, if we ever get you down to the railway, maybe i will share the full story over a pint (out of a plastic glass roll)

on another serious point, i notice in the other thread you said you struggle getting down to the railway for a drink with yer pals on a saturday

i have a picasso, and could fit a wheelchair, and oxygen in, if you ever require a trip down for an hour, more than willing to assist

darren

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1014234)

Your right the law is a complete ass, but shows up just what cowards these scumbags really are when they get their just deserts instead of the other way round and then go running to the law to complain about you. Many thanks for the offer of a lift but I was actually talking in past tense, but as you'll find I often fall over my own tongue (keyboard):D I'm not really fit enough to make the trip these days, but many thanks for the offer

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014235)

the offer is there and genuine fella, if you ever feel up to it

last bit on the subject, as part of the "deal", i said i would agree, but on the condition that no compensation to "the victims" be made, the judge actually said in court, it would be like "rubbing salt in the wound" if they were awarded any, the primary motive for their reporting it i believe.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1014241)

One thing in life I hate is people like that run away crying when they get more than they bargained far and have the brassed neck cheek crying the poor wounded soldier.

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014243)

in this, we are of the same opinion sir!:D

Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1014202)

so its not a valid point, but a thread wander
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1014249)

How? Is my answering what the thread starter said, a thread wander?

How? Is you're abysmal attempt to make it seem as if what I said is not on thread supposed to make me feel as if I have done something wrong? I think you should end your fascination with myself, stop trying to score points You aren't very good and actually concentrate on how your life could be so much better if you didn't need to take your bitterness out on someone...



anyone, in this case it just happens to be me, well bless, I forgive you, so long as you really, really try to fit in with society, any society, whether it's AccyWeb or the actual World at large, (shame you got such a sentence for being just an ordinary citizen, but is mentioning it on the WWW the best way to get over it?).
:(