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Guffaw! Mosque does not create jobs nor bring income to HBC. Sense and good economics from Labour Group! Hope asian communty in West Accrington must know that they are not the only people in the area and Hyndburn. Well done Tim OKane and Ken Moss.

:alright:

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Sorry Daisy - don't understand -may be just be me- please explain...!

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Ditto! ;)

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Accrington Observer article this week explains conservative approval for a super mosque with a capacity for 2,500 worshipers in 2009 is now in doubt. the build would not benefit the community, nor generate jobs or income for HBC. Cllrs O'Kane and Moss via Overview and Scrutiny agreed to take a fresh look that this due to the delay by MOsque Commitee. 2009 to 2012 HBC have been waiting for movement. Now, clear heads have realised they do not have to sit in the asset that will give no income, the 2 acre plot is open agenda for development that WILL create jobs and income.
It is late or early whichever way your looking at the clock; forgive my mumblings!

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What a pity.

If you'd taken your shoes off, I bet they'd have let you go in there for a wee, preventing anymore li'l accidents.

Guffaw.

:D

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If they want to use the land to help the local economy might I suggest they build a compound with an entrance and no exit, and relocate a certain establishment to there from Abbey St. The best economy boost this town will get;)

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You'd get my vote.

Cllr. Dave.

:D

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Mine too:)

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Yer too easy suited, he won't get mine,unless setting fire to it when full is n option.

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Your such an hard task master cashy:D

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Nothing gets a point across like Size 5 ComicSansMS Font

Isn't it better to have a super mosque rather than loads of little mosques? Oh
but there is different sects; just like there is different sects of Christian based religions. So there is bound to be a few dotted about. Do they really warrant the amount of money needed to build one?

Id have to admit; I am almost an admirer of churches and mosques(the architecture that is)

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I believe that the council should think very, very carefully about this. Would a similar sized Christian church or cathedral be tolerated in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc.?

:(

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Well of course they would not be tolerated, so why do you ask?
We live in a tolerant society, we allow freedom of speech and religion. Your chosen countries don't allow that.
If you are so against the Mosque, I suggest you become a councillor and change things.

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Even though your question is, no doubt, rhetorical, of course it would be tolerated. It would provide a venue for the muslim nutbars to hang out, riot, burn, desecrate, and practice their bombing (suicide, hopefully) skills. Put the Stars and Stripes on top of it; that'll give the humorless bastards some climbing practice.

I think the time is coming when a lot of normally decent and tolerant folks in the West are going to suggest a hell of a lot less tolerance for Islam. Boot the bastards back to where they came from, especially to Pakistan which is quickly becoming a "failed state", if it hasn't already achieved that distinction.

Canada, by the way, has already closed its embassy in Tehran, and reaffirmed its staunch support of Israel.

Now that George W. Bush is out of office, Islam has become the number one threat to the stability and peace of the world. It may be time to put tolerance on the back burner for a while and start kicking some ass in the Middle East.:alright:

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A bit heavy that Eric.

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So is arresting a young, Christian down's syndrome girl, on the flimmsiest of evidence planted by a muslim cleric, for blasphemy: a crime which carries the death penalty.

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And mine.

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And Mine

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and mine too.

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I think we have all got scared of saying what we really think for fear of being labelled a bigot or racist. Those who do the labelling are doing so, to stifle healthy debate.
I have no issues with people who want to come here and embrace life in the UK, but I do have issues with people who want to come and ride roughshod over the culture in the UK...start their own courts, live by their own laws rather than the law of the land.
If they really feel that the western way of life is so appalling then let them go to a country that lives by their ideals.........oh, but they wouldn't get any benefits/healthcare/preferential treatment there would they. That's a non-starter then.

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I'd agree with that one Margaret.
But for me all religions can be sent to room 101. And to think a few weeks ago I was accused of being an atheist :D


That is because there is a lot of bigots and racists about. Unfortunate as it is.

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well, I think religion is a personal thing...something that you don't need to wave like a flag.
I think we have a country that tries very hard to accommodate the people who live here, but that some of those people do not value this.

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That wailing from the roof five times a day is just so antisocial.

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Depends what's causing the wailing.:hidewall::hidewall::D:D

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Obviously the outside architecture Restless:D

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Ya and the sale of alarm clocks will be affected too;)

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For mosques yes. I have never been inside one to know otherwise :D

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I know you always have holes in your sock and can't take your shoes off to enter a mosque:D

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Well, I don't mind hearing that this mosque may be in doubt, however is there a need for such over-enthusiastic relish of the fact?

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:D

And the overuse of Size 5 ComicSansMS Font

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Well he said as much on one of the boots threads - trying to sell his holey socks!;)

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No and no

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Oh sorry susie must pay more attention;)

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I agree. All we are hearing are the voices of appeasement. Unfortunately, folks ignore history. They forget the consequences of appeasement, which now seems to go by other names ... you guys can figure it out. Let's take a historical analogy: March 7, 1936; the German remilitarization of the Rhineland. France and Britain let this major breach of the Versailles Treaty pass with little mention, and no action. Maybe some huffing and puffing; but nothing was done. And the result of this unwillingness to take a stand was ... well, most of us have heard of WW ll. We can't give in to these guys. Nobody seems to be speaking out for the West except for those we confine to the lunatic fringe. Muslims who live in England and Canada are a Fifth Column, taking advantage of our way of life at the same time as they condemn it.

In the West we have a way of life which, if not perfect, is worth preserving. But our leaders seem to be ashamed of speaking out for it. What you guys need in your House of Commons, (and what we need in ours) is someone to stand up and, as Leo Amery did in 1940, yell out to the leaders: "Speak for England." ... and quit promoting concessions to those who are our enemies.

And the Americans. Remember that this is an election year. If Obama parked the Sixth Fleet in the Eastern Med and pounded the bejesus out of rioters in front of Western Emabassies, you can bet your bottom dollar that he would be a shoe in come November. And there's no need to worry about the flow of oil. The bastards have to sell it to survive ... how else can they afford to buy Premier League teams:rolleyes: Anyhow, given a couple of years and a few pipelines Canada can supply all of the oil America needs.

I would hazzard a guess that many of you are feeling frustrated and angry at what is going on in the Middle East and in other parts of the muslim world. After pouring billions in cash and lots of blood into Afghanistan they are still killing our troops. What was it, two more from the Yorkshire Regiment just yesterday.:mad: This is what we get for trying to help. 160 Canadian troops died for what? And Brits. And yanks. What a waste.

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Eric mate, come home n stand fer P.M.

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Eric, as I said people hold views privately, for fear of being labelled bigots and racists.
It isn't PC to speak against multi-culturalism(or social engineering as I prefer to term it).......and all healthy debate has been ground underfoot by politicians and their ilk.......now forgive me for being a bit dense, but isn't that just a bit fascist?

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i have to agree, people are scared of being labelled, they dont often speak their minds, this occurs through all aspects of life.

but isnt that one of the tools that the nazi party used to build its powerbase?

a whole different debate, about true freedom of speech, preaching hate of whatever persuasion, should it be allowed?

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In Canada we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms which guarantees our right to speak freely. We also have laws against promoting hatred against racial, religious, ethnic, etc. groups. I think that most of us on here know the difference between free speech and the promotion of hate.

And really, it's all about speaking our minds. That's the Lancashire way, isn't it. "Speak thi' mind lad," as my Gran used to say. "And if they don't like it; they can lump it."

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Ah, Mmm yes, should it be allowed, in a free society no choice I'm afraid, no matter how nasty or hurtful a comment/ideal/thought may be, we have to accept that it is allowed otherwise we are no better than, who are they? You mentioned them in a bit of the above post I didn't quote, Ah, yes, the Nazis.
:o

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Correct, sadly lost forever wi some these days Eric.:(

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No I would call it patriotism, trouble is a few so called do gooders, trying to impress others, and be on the world stage, have brainwashed and terrorised plain speakers into submission.
For over a 100 years every country we have ever helped has sh*t on us, take the frogs as a good example, two world wars we held their hands, 1000's of pure Brits died for them, now what, jerry is their best friend.
What will Gt Britain be in 50 years.

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Spot on Walter spot on matey

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Bankrupt and just an island province of China.

Hang on though we're already bankrupt, so only the last option left to happen.

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Or Pakistan.

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Are you allowed to say Pakistan on the all new P.C. AccyWeb without being blackballed and branded a racist?
:D

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http://www.rossendaleonline.co.uk/im...er_offline.gif

The Thames river police stop two Pakistani gentlemen in a row boat, rowing towards central London.

"The captain gets on the loudhailer and shouts "Ahoy, small craft, where are you heading?"
One of the Pakistani gentlemen stands up and shouts, "We are invading the United Kingdom !"
The crew of the Police launch all start laughing and when the captain finally stops laughing, he gets back on the loudhailer and says "Just the two of you then?"
The Pakistani gentleman stands up again and shouts,

"No, we're just the last two. The rest are already here!"

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what worries me is that most of our energy firms are in foreign hands and now the frogs want to take over BAE(and the MP's initially saw nothing wrong in this takeover - I think one or two are getting a bit chary about it now).........that is really worrying.

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We can debate this until hell freezes over. There is, however, a point we are missing. You can't involve yourselves in a serious, reasoned, logical debate with muslims. You can't do it with "born-again" Christians either. Who's that local nutbar whose name pops up sometimes on here? Ken somebody or other is it? Imagine a discussion with him. Fairly soon into the debate, he grabs his dog-eared copy of the Bible and states: "As Jesus said in Mark .... ". Hold on there, buddy! Were these his actual words? And who is this Jesus anyway? Is there a well-documented historical record of his existence? (Of course, there isn't:rolleyes:) And the argument is over. Reason, logic, compromise don't work. It's reason vs. faith. You can't argue with a muslim either, 'cause sooner than later you run head-first into the goddam koran:eek: OMG, did I say "goddam koran"? What would that get me in Pakistan? If I were lucky enough to avoid lynching on the way to jail, I would probably be convicted of blasphemy and be executed. It was the same at Munich. Chamberlain, no doubt an honourable gentleman in that fine English tradition of hounour and fair play, actually thought he had convinced the Nazis to be reasonble. Peace in our time, eh.:rolleyes: Here's an artist's impression of Hitler and Mussolini after Munich::rofl38::rofl38: There was only one argument the Germans would understand. It was called WW ll.

And there is only one argument that will convince Islam ... and that argument comes out of the business end of a gun. Not some mickey mouse action like the one in Afghanistan ... what were we doing there anyway; I'm not clear on that point:confused: Were we there to build schools and hospitals, and train their police and army so that they were better equipped to turn their weapons on us? Or were we there to fight the Taliban:confused:

There have already been several wake-up calls; but all we did was hit the snooze button. July 7, 2005. Now that was one big mother of an alarm clock going off. And the bombers? Where did they come from? Mmmm.

And now this latest crisis. Even the usually bellicose yanks are asleep at the switch.

Neil Macdonald: A mighty nation, frightened by an angry mob - World - CBC News

The fecal matter is headed for the swiftly roatating object folks. It's time to duck, or to pull the plug on the fan.

Like it or lump it, that's what I think.

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Didn't a bloke called Enoch say much the same thing about forty years ago?

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we can't have reasoned logical debate because we would be labelled racists and bigots.......so we hold our views privately.
As Retlaw said in a past post.......appeasement never works.

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Yes he did, not long after he opened the doors to immigration from the Commonwealth.

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But we have had chances to shut the doors and we haven't done it.......not only have we not done it, we have used a loud hailer to get more folk to come in.
We accept anybody regardless of their backgrounds. We do not know how many people are here, that should not be because we have a half arsed immigration and border control. It is a joke, but I'm not sure it is really funny anymore.

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As far as I understand, Enoch Powell was a rascist. And I don't see that this discussion has anything at all to do with race:confused: You can't make a "race" out of Arabs, Egytpians, Turks, Iranians, Indonesians, Muhammad Ali, etc.

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Is Judaism a race, a religion or a culture?

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I'll soon find out.

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Now that I've read the latest saga in the newspaper about the leasehold issue, I've just sent off an(other) email to my local councillors about this matter. This time I'm objecting to a change of leasehold to freehold, pointing out that it's their duty to act in the best interests of all residents and business owners. I also included a link to the Charity Board website (below) which publishes each charity's annual income/expenditure. I can understand the commercial and religious reasons why the mosque committee want a freehold but in my view the council has to act in the best interests of all the residents.

When I went to Sunday School it was free so I was surprised to see youngsters pay to learn the koran -

Charity overview

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When David Waddington was Home Secretary under Margaret Thatcher, didn't he propose a drastic reduction on the numbers of immigrants, but was then ridiculed and eventually ousted from his position for his views. The dangers imposed on us now by the mish-mash of muslim and eastern European immigrants is of nothing compared with what will come about if we don't take urgent stock of the matter. But I already fear that it is too late!

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HI Stumped, i agree with your comment; We all know what will come about if we don'
t take urgent stock of the matter.
Do as Lucysgirl has done... contact your local councillor and tell them what you want.

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I don't think my local Councillor would appreciate me telling him to send himself and his family back where he came from.

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This i hear is no longer in doubt..................It aint happening.;):D

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I told you I would work out who you are ;)

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Instead of objecting to a change of ownership to a piece of land, the objection should be to another mosque, how many mosques are there in Accrington now, and do they really need any more, or It will end up like Eanam.

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surely if god or allah wanted somewhere to have people kiss their arse the places of worship would appear from the heavens as if by some miracle of some sort?

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I raised objections many moons ago with my then local councillor giving reasons which were valid, and in my view still are.

With regard to my objection to this land being given freehold which would in the long term mean higher council taxes and/or less less council employees and benefits for the whole of Hyndburn I received this written answer from my local councillor:-

<<This issue was voted to be returned to Cabinet for reconsideration, as it was thought that the land should not be sold, but leasehold, so that the Council would have more control on any future developments.>>

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Actually they have appeared ... at least to some. Check out the beliefs of many Canadian First Nations.;)

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so places of worship have been granted yet when i was 6 god couldnt even deliver me a bloomin bike i wanted :mad:

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Kinda like the big truck I wanted so I could take my gran to Blackpool.;) First Nations look at it this way: The Great Spirit has give us the planet to live on; so, why should we expect or need more? Kinda like si monumentum requiris, circumspice:D

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Ah, Bless, six years old and talking to God, what rotten parents you must have had telling you to speak to him, God delivers war and famine, Santa Claus delivers bikes, (Christmas is early for Hyndburn this year, so at least you'll get a chance to complain to the main man if it still doesn't get to you).
:D

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A building holding two and a half thousand men is larger than any British cathedral - I think the largest holds about two thousand.
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Perhaps with the right/wrong attitude, they could be dual purpose? I believe the gas chambers of WWII had a similar capacity, is that what you want?

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i was a mixed up child i thought god delivered bikes and it was santa who killed my dad.

no wonder i failed sunday school :D

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Personally the question for me is do we really need ANY more places of worship

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I suppose that depends if the ones in use are full

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They'll all come in taxis

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Thats even worse 2.500 taxis.

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Max Cabs

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Can we manage enough pennies for the gas meter, or ave they changed it to a shilling meter.

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A penny wont go very far now.

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People don't normally sit down in mosques so there wouldn't need to be room for 2500 seats so it wouldn't have to be that big.

Liverpool cathedral holds 3500 standing and 2300 fully seated.

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Very good point susie. K Awarded

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Oh dear, of course we need more, how else could we all, from whatever religion push forward our own hypocritical view?

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Thank you Rob. Knowing your views think you might like this website...

Thaumaturgical

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Often I tell people I attend the Church Of Scientology. Gets rid of those morons that prey at bus stops

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Gosh, is that a touch of Jaysay?

Or do they really prey at bus stop's to Pray?

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Haha thank God(?) I don't spent too much time at bus stops at the mo but it's a great ruse. Will remember for future reference.

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I thought those who preyed at bus stops belonged to the Church of Pedophila ... otherwise known as the Roman Catholic Church.:rolleyes: And did he mean "morons" or "mormons":confused: Having listened to Mitt speak, I can't see much difference between the two ... maybe they are sinonymous.:D

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Leave the lad alone, he means well and has a following of one, (susie123 would you like to confirm that?).

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Your not saying Restless has a sycophant are you Less:rolleyes:

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:D they prey on people. They are both Mormons and morons.


I am sat there at the bus stop outside the hair and hounds in Clayton with my skullcandy headphones on. I am joined by two fellows in black. I think the music was loud and so it put them off bothering me.

Bus comes. We get on. One of the fellows makes his way to the back of the bus the other sits across from me. I turned the music down to be kind to those on the bus. I can feel him staring. I am listening to Mark Eitzel and coincidentally the song is "leave her alone" I look to the side and he is talking to me. I stare at him back. I take the headphones off and suddenly the music escapes and all the people on the bus hears the line "I just want to pound nails in your cross, I want to drive those nails home" :D

If you are talking about my new boring blog. Then the follower is sugarmouse :D

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You should advise her to stay away from the second pit of the eighth circle:D

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:eek:Is that something to do with Ice Hockey Eric:rolleyes:

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No ... I read it in "Dandy" ... or maybe it was Dante:confused: ... But I always preferred "Beano".;)

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Insincere flatterers grovelling in excrement... not my style. I may flatter but insincere I am not.:notworthy

At last a man of taste. I always preferred the Beano.

:worthy:See? flattery, but I really meant it.:p

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I will certainly confirm he has a following, but it's greater than one. Proud to be part of it.

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Yes but I think the cones that appear everywhere I go don't count? or do they? :hehetable

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Why would it be an "L" of a big area would it not be a "M" for Muslim?

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What a sad reflection on the people of Accrington that the building of a place of worship should generate such a tide of unabashed racist diatribe, God help us all.