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A shortage is declared so that queues form for it, in the same way that shelves empty in supermarkets whenever 'in short supply' is mentioned.

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Well aware of that fact Margaret n agree, but am a believer that once tried,if a medicine works or suits then its worth using. If i had worked fer years in the N.H.S. n never contracted the virus, then probably i would not bother having it, so can understand yer logic. What bothers me is scaremongering bean heads of which theres a few about.;)

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Two months before my 65th birthday in 2007, my doc offered me a free flu jab and I complied.

I had enjoyed an active healthy retirement until then - trips abroad once or twice a year - frequent UK coach trips, some where I spent evenings dancing (Gay Gordons even !).

A few weeks after that jab I went down with flu so severe that I was hallucinating and wearing nappies, and lost a stone in weight in seven days.

I never recovered. I had pleurisy that lasted several months and had to cancel a trip to Gibraltar in Feb 2008. I had overwhelming exhaustion and then a year of dental abcesses began, whereby my teeth went down like dominoes one after another, (mercury poisoning).

I had several blood tests which revealed nothing. I was in the doc's waiting rooms, struggling to stay awake, and gasping for breath, only to be told 'there is nothing wrong with you'.

So the only person who could help me was ME, and ironically I eventually diagnosed myself with just that - ME/CFS. It is an autoimmune condition which many docs do not recognise as existing, and when they do, it is only named when tests for everything else prove negative.

I conclude that my immune system was damaged by the flu jab, and the mercury in it tipped my body above the toxic load that I could cope with.

For five years I have tried many 'alternative medicine' regimes and a gradual improvement has occurred. I do not resent the fact that my doc did not diagnose me - because there is no NHS treatment on offer if he had.

I appreciate that most people do not experience such after effects but, be aware -
I didn't expect it either.

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Are these the same folk that you want to frighten away from having a potentially life saving injection, you know the vulnerable members of society?
They line up because they maybe do think for themselves and aren't prepared to be swayed by the garbage you attempt to spread.
I think, notice that phrase in case you didn't I'll repeat it, I think your first post was just an excuse to start a thread a 'I'm against conventional medicine and the accepted establishment'.
I further think that your second post:-

Is a complete fabrication, you aren't in two minds about it, you had already decided, but wanted a soap box on which to stand and spread your ridiculous theories.

We've heard these claims before from far more articulate people than yourself, please, if you don't want the jab then don't have it but why try to scaremonger others to your way of thinking?
Most people aren't sheep following conventional ways anymore than they are sheep ready to be convinced by your half baked and poorely demonstrated ideas.
:p

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i was in two minds less,but the more i look into it the more i think F that for a game of soliders. i'm not trying to fearmonger(if i was there's alot more i could put) i dont want anyone to be swayed/convinced by my doubts/views about vaccines and miss the opportunity to avoid getting sick(that's the last thing i want). i just want them to think twice before rolling up there sleves ......nothing more,nothing less ;)

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Actually Less I'm quite pleased the thread was started, it's been an interesting discussion. As you said most people can think for themselves and this has been reflected in the posts.

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Only needs a search on the subject, it's covered many times before, just wish we didn't have to keep repeating it to people like the thread starter.
:(

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Well after a bit of digging I finally managed to work out what he's on about... it would have helped if he'd got the terminology right, it's pleomorphism not polymorphism.

Anyway I've just spent an interesting hour or two reading about this fairy story and the very small organisms called protits (LOL) that it involves...

New medicine revolution By Wal

Apparently some folks still believe the flat earth theory and no doubt the phlogiston theory will rear its ugly head at some point!

Flat Earth Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Another good read for the gullible(or those with an hour or two spare, I admire your persistence, susie123, I gave up after a few minutes). American of course.

Somehow 'protits' seems appropriate. Perhaps Enderlain had a sense of humour.

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i see the anonymous private name calling(online bullying) and bad karma thing has started.i wondered how long it would take :rolleyes:
i maintain my view on the subject and like i said before "i dont want anyone to be swayed/coerced by my doubts/views about vaccines and miss the opportunity to avoid getting sick". if you want the flu jab cart on have 1 for me :rolleyes:

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You also? At least my benefactor was courteous enough to give their name so naturally I was courteous enough to thank them.
Seems like whichever way you argue on this thread you can't win!

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Whats folks views on mandatory/forced vaccinations? :hidewall:

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yeh my benefactor didnt have the courtesy to give their name...but i have suspicions :)

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The following is quite an interesting link about flu vaccine.
Flu Vaccine Exposed

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we all have suspicions, I for one suspect you don't have a benefactor.
If you ever get around to reading the rules, people don't have to sign whether giving or taking karma just get over it.

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I prefer the hang em high route but capital punishment will never be re-introduced.
:D

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i couldnt care less about karma,but when you/folk resort to name calling it's just childish. but i forgive you/them ;)

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I'll be going for mine on Saturday.:D

Have expressed my opinions on vaccines before, and won't bore you with them again. :)

I did find the remark about doctors meeting targets a little offensive to doctors. The only targets they have is to protect their most vulnerable patients from distressing conditions and, at worst, an early demise.

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I'm sure he did, Gordon, gave me a good laugh anyway.

I find these pseudoscience websites quite absorbing. I start to read, follow the links, and then quite some time later I wake up from my trance and wonder who believes all this stuff. Here's a good one, just look at all the links on this page to things that are supposed to be bad for you...

Consumer Alert! Health Issues, Raising Public Awareness

And then I went to the link in post 114 and from there to his home page, where I discovered this advice about a particular drug:

There are far simpler, virtually free strategies, without toxic side effects, that can provide the same blood thinning benefit as Plavix, including walking barefoot (known as Grounding or Earthing).

Which I then proceeded to look up:

Why Does Walking Barefoot on the Earth Make You Feel Better? | Your Olive Branch News - yobo

I couldn't be bothered to wade through the article, I just screamed inwardly. But if I'm ever in danger of a blood clot I'll know what to do - take my shoes and socks off and go for a walk on the beach... Simples!

BTW Dr Mercola who gave this advice is a buddy of the two doctors who you described as crackpots in an earlier post. One of whom (Blaylock) gives the following advice himself, if you can be bothered:
What To Do if You are Forced to Take Swine Flu Shot

The Following was composed by Dr. Russell Blaylock as a method to reduce autoimmune reactions to the flu vaccines only. Do not use this if you have the flu itself. These are just general observations and not medical advice. You should work with your doctor for a specific program.

1. Place a cold compress on the site of the injection immediately after the injection and continue this as often as possible for at least two days. If symptoms of fever, irritability, fatigue or flu-like symptoms reoccur -- continue the cold compresses until they abate. A cold shower or bath will also help.
2. Take krill oil as a source of animal based omega-3 fats.
3. Curcumin, quercetin, ferulic acid and ellagic acid as a mixture -- the first two must be mixed with extravirgin olive in one teaspoon. Take the mix three times a day (500 mg of each)
4. Vitamin E (natural form) 400 IU a day (high in gamma-E)
5. Vitamin C 1000 mg four times a day
6. Astaxanthin 4 mg a day
7. Zinc 20 mg a day for one week then 5 mg a day
8. Avoid all immune stimulating supplements (mushroom extracts, whey protein) except beta-glucan -- it has been shown to reduce inflammation, microglial activation and has a reduced risk of aggravating autoimmunity, while increasing antiviral cellular immunity.
9. Take a multivitamin/mineral daily (one without iron -- Extend Core)
10. Magnesium citrate/malate 500 mg of elemental magnesium two capsules three times a day
11. Vitamin D3:
    1. All Children -- 5000 IU a day for two weeks after vaccine then 2000 IU a day thereafter
    2. Adults -- 20,000 IU a day after vaccine for two weeks then 10,000 IU a day thereafter
    3. Take 500 mg to 1000 mg of calcium citrate a day for adults and 250 mg a day for children under age 12 years.
12. Avoid all mercury-containing seafood
13. Avoid omega-6 oils (corn, safflower, sunflower, soybean, canola and peanut oils)
14. Blenderize parsley and celery and drink 8 ounces twice a day
15. Take Jatoba tea extract (add 20 drops in on cup of tea) one day before the vaccine and the twice a day thereafter.

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Afraid it could be any one of a long list of suspects!

Anyone calling themselves Chris SUI JURIS really is asking for someone to come up with a better name.

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Mum and I are going for our jabs this Saturday. I have read the preceding arguments and not been convinced why I shouldn't have a jab. If you don't want vaccinating, don't have it.

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Well said Kate, I meant to post something similar earlier, but got carried away in all those wonderful websites about the dangers of flu vaccines and forgot.

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lol maybe ;)

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Why do doctors qualify as 'unoffendable'?
It is a very well paid job, and they make mistakes.

I have a nephew who is a hospital consultant in Macclesfield. He is in it for the money. He prefers his patients unconcious so specialized in anesthetics.

Since the days of Shipman I expected more people to take them off their pedestals.

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A chip off the old block, MargaretR?

I know how he feels- if some of the folk on Accyweb were my patients I'd prefer them unconscious.

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It is simpler to use the ignore button for people who persistently offend.

bye

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That was my comment. I stand by it.(You can only be offended if you allow yourself to be) Today, the NHS is driven by box ticking and target meeting, with very little thought to the patients. And most doctors hardly know their patients anymore - if you see the same one twice you are very lucky. How can a doctor have his patients best interest at heart when he knows nothing at all about the patient?(other than what is on the computer screen).
Like you I have aired my views on vaccinations and there is little more to be said on the subject

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That comment is spot on Michael.

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I would suggest you ask how many of the Doctors and Nurses at the practice have had a vaccination against the Flu........most of them won't have had a vaccination. This, despite the fact that it is offered to all health care workers....I think the take up is somewhere in the region of 30%.

We are all responsible for our own health, and most of us can make decisions about what is the right choice for us individually.

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ok so we know it's not unheard of for Dr's to say your right to refuse a flu shot, also it's not unheard of for Dr's to say that there not allowed to tell patients the truth,seems the doctors hands are tied by big pharma companys, a growing number of doctors know the dangers with vaccines but are told to shut up! no study has proven the flu shot effective and very little saftey studies have been done.

if you want a flu jab have one,if not don't have one.....simples

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I have looked up the Health Protection Agency statistics about the uptake of the flu jab in health care professionals. The most up to date figures are for 2011. Just 34.7% of health care professionals took up the offer of vaccination.
In 2010 the figures were 26%

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Now that is the sort of information which I do take seriously and it worries me a little.

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I know that when I was ward sister, we used to have information about flu jabs for staff....there was much encouragement for staff to go and get the jab, but very few of my own staff were vaccinated.
The Health Sister used to come around and try and drum up support, but very few of them went for the jab.

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I agree Margaret, and it's possible I may not have had the jab if I had been fully fit. What I object to is the misinformation, speculation and sheer bad science that is out there on the net.
It's a pity they weren't asked what their reasons were for declining the jab. That would have been interesting.

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Maybe your suspicions are wrong, or maybe you have lost patience, or maybe you gave me unsigned red, just to have revenge? or maybe someone else want's to continue the discussion by setting us against one and other, allow me to assure them, I have no admiration for you, and if it was you, well after all, what can we expect? I don't need to give you foul karma, you give me foul posts to work on, just like you used to do.

:)

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I look things up on the net, but frequently use sites that I used during my career...sites that were known to be helpful...like the Cochrane database.

You would think that Health Care Professionals would be keen to take advantage of vaccination if offered...they just don't........and didn't way back when I was in the NHS(which is ten years ago - I can't recall a single member of my staff being vaccinated. I was asked to encourage staff, but I felt that if they had the information about the vaccination being available, then the rest was up to them)

Gordon - please don't let me put you off. Everyone needs to make up their own minds about whether the vaccination is for them.......you have to go with what works for you.

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O.K. so you didn't take advantage, did you ever do what the thread starter did, try your best to discredit vaccinations or put others off using them?

(Somehow I expect the answer will be no).

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Any karma signed -f its me.... its been A LONG day. Should be an r... well they are close to one another :)

I was advised to have flu jab after my cough has gone. Is it true that it is free for asthma sufferers?

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Well i am against mandatory flu injections, though i could be swayed on Mandatory Lobotomy's fer some.

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Don't you dare give him a chance to apologise...

He already thinks his red came from me!

That's why he did tit for tat.

Never sign karma, it keeps idiots guessing.
:D

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I honestly can't answer that question Less........I have put my points forward on vaccination a number of times in the past....and I am getting to that grey stage in my life. Or at least I blame the greyness.
In this thread I have put my views clearly, that they are my views, which I have carefully cultured and looked into.

I would not like anyone to be dissuaded from doing what they consider is right for them, because of something which relates to my situation......as I said after almost 30 years on the 'frontline' in the NHS I NEVER had flu, this, despite being in contact with many, many patients on the wards and in clinics......some of whom must have been carrying this virus.

If I don't have the vaccination then it is one that is free for someone who feels they are at risk and would benefit from having it.

Bet you are sorry you asked now!

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Not in the slightest, you answered honestly, why, if my question was honest should that harm me?

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It shouldn't....and by your reply, it didn't. Thank you Less.

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Rob, it is recommended for Asthma sufferers. Ring your practice and ask them if you get it free......if they say 'No'...tell them you can have mine:D

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Asda pharmacy are doing them for £7. :)

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Tesco are charging a Tenner, robbing sods, Paris went on Tuesday.:eek:

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But maybe you will earn Tesco Clubcard points!

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yeh she did actually equates to 10p.:D

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i can assure you it was'nt me i'd want you to know if it was ;),,,think whatever you want about my posts :rolleyes:

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My Brilliant Brain | Watch Free Documentary Online
This documentary is really good, but I recommend the first 15 minutes of episode 1, it ties into Vaccinations - you can clearly see what happens during, and how important the first 3 years of brain development is, and thus, why it is they have the vaccination schedule and ingredients that they have, they're chemically dumbing us down and making us infertile, they're creating an epidemic of 'mental health disorders', Autism, Parkinson's, Alzheimers, Cancer and so on, it's shocking most people will never believe it's true.

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Looks like the NHS has been reading your posts ;)

Flu Campaign 2012 - YouTube

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That would be a first......especially if they took any notice at all.

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Well I don't know how long ago you watched that video but the link you posted says it is no longer available. However I found it elsewhere on Google and watched the first 17 minutes but I still fail to see the relevance to the vaccine discussion.

What you say raises two points

1) you believe there is a hidden agenda to give young children vaccines that will harm their brains
2) you believe that the vaccines actually do cause brain damage or 'mental health disorders' as you put it - and infertility!

I might believe they have damaged your brain if you keep posting such rubbish. You're right, 'it's shocking most people will never believe it's true'.

Can I ask, do you have young children? And if you do, have you denied them childhood vaccines? Or if you don't have children, would you deny them vaccination if you had?

Do you seriously believe the powers that be would create an epidemic of autism, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, whatever, when these diseases cost so much to treat? The mind boggles.

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131 children vaccinated at gunpoint in Malawi, Reports at the time indicated that parents of unvaccinated children that had tried to escape a local vaccination mandate were tracked down and apprehended, and their children forced to receive the jabs as part of the United Nations' Millennium Development Goals :eek:

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1) I believe there is a Global vaccination agenda to give young children vaccines that will harm their brains? YES and it's spreading like a virus lol
2) I believe that the vaccines actually do cause brain damage or 'mental health disorders' as you put it - and infertility? YES
List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:

• Encephalitis
• Ataxia/Apraxia
• Retardation
• Meningitis Paralysis
• Paralytis polio
• Ms Gullain Barre Syndrome
• Lupus
• Hyperactivity - ADD, LD
• Demyelinization diseases
• Auto-immune Diseases Epilepsy
• Convulsions - Seizures
• Blindness
• Deafness
• SIDS
• Epilepsy
• Mental confusion - lowered IQ
• Brain tumors (SV-40)

3) Do I seriously believe the powers that be would create an epidemic of autism, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, whatever, when these diseases cost so much to treat? YES
4)do i have young children? No but if i did i'd definitely deny them vaccinations

As i don't know you can I ask if you have young children? And if you do, have you denied them childhood vaccines?

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This is a link to Doctors pay in case anyone was wondering Pay for doctors - NHS Careers

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Oh dear, I think Chris S/J has finally gone over the edge!

Someone send for a doctor, I'm sure there's an injection which can help him.

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There Is but It's at a Swiss clinic.:eek::D:D

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lol i've always been over the edge, maybe i had a injection as a baby or smoked to much herb as a teen :D

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Well this post certainly shows where you're coming from, thank you for that.

I assume the last paragraph was addressed to me. No I've never had children but I would have them vaccinated if I had. Don't want them growing up too smart do we?:rolleyes:

I see you got your list from our friend Dr Mercola, I love the way he cites "a variety of resources" without naming any of them, but we shouldn't be surprised, this is par for the course for this sort of article.

BTW I think you can knock off Alzheimer's and Parkinson's from the diseases you mentioned in an earlier post. Even Dr Mercola does not include these. And another website which copies and pastes his list has this to say:

Most neurological disorders which are vaccine-induced are studied in recently vaccinated children. Although adults are not without neurological injuries from vaccinations, the neurological damage that develops may not be seen until many years later. If a condition takes years to develop then vaccines will generally not be linked to disorder.

Don't Mangage Autism - END IT

I presume that last sentence is referring to children, because if it is talking about adults it rather contradicts the previous sentence. Anyway, as one doesn't see children with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, they are obviously not causd by vaccines.

Surprise surprise this website is linked to one selling a program that claims to cure autism!

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This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.
the last sentence is referring to children, while were on the subject whats your view on unvaccinated children walking sooner, talking sooner, and having a high degree of manual dexterity at an earlier age?

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Funny that's what Dr Mercola says - could it be a direct quote?
I'll reserve judgment till I've seen some references. When I tried to Google the subject all but one of the answers on the first page were quotes from Dr Mercola's article. I gave up after that.

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When you attempt to websearch whether vaccines are possibly harmful, you can encounter 'research' results showing harm and others refuting those findings.

Sometimes research by vetinarians is the area where any research which does reveal harm is not so aggressively refuted and supressed.

I have more respect for vets than docs ;)

Here is an interesting article about vaccine damage in dogs.
Science of Vaccine Damage

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Thanks for that, Margaret. My problem is that as far as I have been able to search, all evidence for vaccine damage is of the anecdotal kind, not backed up by reference to scientific studies. Words such as "it has been reported that" or "evidence suggests" set the alarm bells ringing.

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The thing is Sue, that the companies that produce the vaccines have a lot of clout and I do not doubt that they would have the power to suppress such information, or discredit the researcher if they wished(not that I am suggesting that is what has been done).

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No, I don't doubt that, Margaret, but if such is the case, how come the pseudoscience websites claim to know about it? These are the people I get so cross about.

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Now if you were a hardened conspiracy theorist :D, you could surmise that pseudoscience websites are 'set up' for the purpose of discrediting whatever they claim as facts. (even though it might be true)

To use a common conspiracy term -
'once you start digging you will be amazed at how deep the rabbit hole goes'. ;)

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so you'll also reserve judgment about the period after vaccines are given? in which children often lose their soft spot in their cranium, as the swelling increases.
Why would a kids brain swell after vaccines were given? :confused::confused:

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lol " you will be amazed at how deep the rabbit hole goes" heard that once or twice before

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I wonder how much that load of rubbish cost us?
And how many patients died of thirst/heart attacks, strokes etc while the whole hospital staff were acting the mick on it?
And how much NHS time has been wasted by staff having to watch it?

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They could have been actors. I would be surprised if they used actual NHS staff....and yes, I wondered how much it cost too(cynical old burger that I am).

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So, MargaretR, the 'pseudoscience websites' are 'set up' by counter conspiracy people to discredit them?
Is that what you surmise?
If so, why do you quote them? You're sleeping with the enemy.

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well, you have to keep your bum warm on something :D:D:D

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He did the last time he was a member, that's why he was removed.

I look forward to the same happening soon.:D

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Well in this case I have found some references to TBF (Transient bulging of the fontanelle) and IIH (Idiopathic intracranial hypertension). One states:

We cannot conclude that vaccines cause TBF. Further controlled studies are necessary. Even if further research verifies TBF as a rare side effect, immunization benefits would still vastly outweigh this hypothetical risk.

ScienceDirect.com - The Journal of Pediatrics - Transient Bulging Fontanelle after Vaccination: Case Report and Review of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

And another:

The pathogenesis of IIH or TBF is unknown. IIH is not a disorder with a single causative factor. In theory, IIH may be caused by the following factors: parenchymal edema, increased cerebral blood volume, excessive CSF production, compromised CSF resorption,and venous outflow obstruction. Some studies have reported TBF or IIH in association with vaccination, otitis media, roseola, gastroenteritis, pharyngitis, acute upper respiratory infections, chickenpox, measles, and other medical problems including endocrine abnormalities or drugs. However, there are no case-control studies to date with definitive causes in children.

I reckon the jury's still out on that one.

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i sense another witch hunt :rolleyes:

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That's a bit deep for me...

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My thoughts too... what a load of rubbish...

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Why? are you still smarting from what you consider to be the last one?
You know and I know, who you are, perhaps if you came on without wanting to change the world into your ideal you would stay a little longer on site?

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i was refering to the witch hunt of (sir)jimbo

As i've stated numerous times less i dont want folk to do anything because of something i've said/posted on here. i'm just putting info out and folk can do there own reseach and act accordingly,,your boring me, get over it :rolleyes:

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I'd ask you how to spell bull****, but I already recognise it when I see it.
:)

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your getting uptight again less,chill pill time :rolleyes:

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I fed some birds the other day and they were landing on my hands. I then ate a sandwich without washing my hands! :eek: :rolleyes:

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I can smell David Icke here abouts! :rolleyes::D

If I was going abroad I'd have the vaccines if needed - would you?

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It's from The Matrix film

The Matrix - Tumbling down the rabbit hole. . . - YouTube

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Hehe. Chris isn't the former user named "life" by any chance.... ??


Ah but we all know how that story ends. You wake up and return to reality.

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I don't think that he is Life - he puts his points forward in a less professional way.

As for 'waking up' - stop taking Viagra :D

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Doubt hes life, life was semi-intelligent, My moneys on someone else who's been around the block before.:D

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Yes I know I've seen it about 4 times :D But Icke adopted that phrase "going down the rabbit hole" and it's originally from Alice in Wonderland; isn't it! :rolleyes:

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:D never had it

I assumed that too. :)

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Well, I've had some karma that was just sealed with a kiss .... that'll do for me ...:kiss::D

As for the vaccine shots, you have to do your own risk assessment and I decided to have it as better to give you some protection rather than none.

I'm surprised Margaret P that you have not, at least, had the pneumonia shot seeing as you appear to be susceptible to chest infections. A big killer in the elderly.

There are no risks... my daughter (Practice Nurse) has done a great multitude of these plus MMR for children and, up to press, not one bad reaction .. go figure.

Bit confused re. Chris's 'invitation', if no problems as described by Sue ... only thing I can think of is that the doctor has overbought (yes, they have to buy these), and they are offering them to less vulnerable patients to reclaim their investment.

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Not for me i'll take the illness over the( supposed)cure :D

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it is originally from Alice in Wonderland :D

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So you would be selfish and possibly infect other unprotected people?

Vaccination is not a treatment nor a cure, it is a preventive and protective measure.

"Disease prevention is the key to public health. Vaccines benefit in particular the people who receive them, and in turn, those people cannot spread the disease to others who have not been vaccinated. Infection cannot spread if it never gains a foothold. Infectious Diseases cause enormous suffering, strain the health care system, and deplete financial resources. For the individual, the health care provider, the interests of preserving human and financial resources, it is better to prevent disease than treat it." The US Department of Health and Human Services.

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call it what you will but With the nasty ingredients in the vaccines, I'll take my chances with the disease/virus

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One can only bang one's head against a brick wall so many times... :p :bangh8: :swear8:

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Yes Kate, I do get Chest infections, but I do what you say.......I assess the risks to myself of having such a vaccine.....I choose not to have it. (for reasons which I won't bore you with). I choose not to have it because I have a choice...(it has nothing to do with needle phobia - I don't like needles, but I am not phobic of them).

Everyone has to make the decisions for themselves. I have made mine.

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A review from The Cochrane Collaboration, a widely respected research-analysis team, went over all the evidence, and entered its conclusion:

In healthy adults, no flu vaccine delivers protection from the flu.

Boom!

It doesn’t protect against transmission of flu viruses from person to person, either.

Boom!

So all the promotion and all the pandering and all the scare tactics and all the “expert medical opinion” and all the media coverage…useless, worthless, and irrelevant.

Billions of dollars of financed lies about flu vaccines were just that: lies.

It gets worse, because the entire theory about how and why vaccines work is sitting on a razor’s edge, ready to fall into the abyss of discarded fairy tales.

We’ve been told that vaccines stimulate the immune system with a “rehearsal” of what will happen when an actual disease comes down the pipeline. When the disease does show up, the immune system will be locked and loaded, ready to destroy the attacking germ.

But since flu vaccines don’t protect against flu or even stop the transmission of flu viruses from person to person, the so-called “rehearsing” of the immune system is merely somebody’s fancy story. A myth.

Also, you can forget about the widely sold herd-immunity tale. How can the group be immune when vaccines are doing nothing to prevent the free movement of germs from person to person?

As always, The Cochrane Collaboration did an exhaustive review of all previous studies on flu vaccines they could discover. They rejected the studies that were badly constructed. In some cases, to expand available data, they contacted individual researchers who had conducted studies.

Therefore, Cochrane’s findings represent the best of the published literature on flu vaccines. However, because the Cochrane team owes nothing to pharmaceutical companies, they analyzed the literature with sober eyes and minds.

Here is an interesting comment from the analysis: “The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

Now who in the world would benefit from such manipulating?

Oh yes. One other thing.

The Cochrane review, published by John Wiley and Sons, appeared online on July 7, 2010.

Over two years ago.

I must have missed the massive mainstream media coverage. Perhaps I was fishing that day :rolleyes:

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I was once told(by a researcher who worked for Astra Zeneca in Altrincham) to be wary of research, and to ask some probing questions.....like who commissioned and paid for the reasearch?
Were the researchers truly independent with no links to the drug being researched?
What was the criteria for inclusion into the research program?
What data was collected and collated...and how was it analysed?

Prior to this I had been inclined to take research on face value.

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Yes, I know and I apologise for criticising your decision.

It's just that I have experienced flu ... long time ago in my early twenties (think it was the Asian Flu). Myself, ex husband and then 2 year old daughter caught it, and it was a terrible and frightening experience ... we were just crawling around for 2 weeks trying to help each other. This went towards my decision to have the injection.