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Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 12:31

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The top 20 ways to boost your immunity to colds and flu without using a vaccine

1) Take a vitamin D supplement every day. Check our Vitamin D guide for details about choosing the proper dosage.

2) Get as much sunlight as you can for as late into the year as you can manage. Even getting sunlight on just your face helps produce more vitamin D in your body.

3) Drink immune-boost beverages like organic Cocoa Mojo, which contains a blend of 4 medicinal mushrooms. And it tastes like a delicious hot chocolate!

4) Use a high-quality air filter in your home to filter out bacteria and mold spores that may be circulating inside your home.

5) Get regular exercise to boost your circulation and immune strength. This exercise should be frequent and moderate. Do not over-stress yourself at the gym, or your immune system will be temporarily compromised.

6) Take supplements especially designed to protect your respiratory tract. These include Lomatium, Osha, Elderberry and more. You’ll find many of these in the herbal medicine cabinets offered at the NaturalNews Store.

7) Take measures to minimize your exposure to immune-damaging chemicals such as those you’ll find in laundry products, cosmetics, personal care products and fragrance products. The artificial fragrance chemicals found in most of these products are carcinogenic and cause liver damage.

8) Get off all medications that you can safely eliminate! Work with a naturopath to accomplish this, of course, as quitting medications cold turkey can also be dangerous. Most medications suppress your immune system, liver function, kidney function and even your reproductive function.

9) Eat more meals that are rich in pungent spices. Eat more curry, which is rich in turmeric. Eat more ginger. Eat more cilantro, rosemary, thyme and other rich spices. This includes cloves and nutmeg, two spices you’ll typically find in eggnog drinks. These spices boost immune function and taste great, too!

10) Clean up your diet. If you’re eating cheese and drinking processed milk, those substances are to be avoided during the winter influenza season, especially. In many people, cheese and dairy products tend to cause sinus stuffiness, which is really a lack of sinus circulation. This can make you more susceptible to physically catching and harboring a virus floating around.

11) Boost your trace minerals intake, especially zinc. Both zinc and selenium are hugely important for immune function. Zinc is especially well known for functioning as a shield support against many viral attacks. One of the best ways to boost your trace minerals intake is to switch to a natural sea salt or a high-mineral salt. We’ll be offering these salts by Thanksgiving, by the way.

12) Move your lymph! Rebounders (mini trampolines) are great for this purpose. Jumping rope also works, as does just hopping in place for a few minutes each day. You can also do arm rotations and other simple movements to keep your lymph circulating. Lymph movement is crucial for immunity.

13) Take immune-protective herbal tinctures such as goldenseal, garlic, echinacea, osha root and elderberry. All of these herbs are found in the Enerfood Herbal Medicine Cabinet – intermediate. We also have a “basic” and “advanced” kit available.

14) While you’re at it, wash your hands more frequently. Many of the infections we receive during the flu season come from us touching contaminated surfaces and then touching our eyes, nose or mouth. The simple act of washing your hands can dramatically cut down on viral infections.

15) At the same time, demand high levels of hygiene by those around you. Ask them to wash their hands, for example. Ask them to boost their immunity with herbs, nutrients and supplements that really work. In fact, when others fail to boost their immune systems, it’s actually highly irresponsible on their part. Merely relying on a vaccine is actually putting other people at risk, since vaccines don’t work 99 times out of 100.

16) Have an emergency supply of colloidal silver available. Not only do you want the liquid colloidal silver, you may also want to consider an inhalable form of silver

17) Get plenty of sleep. A lack of sleep compromises the immune system.

18) Reduce your levels of chronic stress, if possible. Stress also compromises your immune system, and it even “uses up” nutrients in your body, leaving you nutritionally depleted.

19) Drink more “live” vegetable juice. If that sounds too cold, make yourself some warm but raw vegetable soups. Search online for recipes. My favorites include a raw avocado soup recipe using red peppers, to which I add some Tobasco sauce. You make these soups in a blender like the Vita-Mix.

20) Laugh a little! Watch some comedy movies, or spend some fun time with family and friends. Laughter boosts immune function at many levels. It’s good for your body and your mental health. Find creative ways to expose yourself to comical situations and you’ll benefit as a result. :-)

cashman 12-10-2012 12:53

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So who is our Vitamin D guide?? yeh working fer em or what?:rolleyes:

susie123 12-10-2012 12:58

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022374)
So who is our Vitamin D guide?? yeh working fer em or what?:rolleyes:

It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

cashman 12-10-2012 13:01

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1022375)
It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

I suspected as much,:D Hence me sarcastic smiley.:D;)

Margaret Pilkington 12-10-2012 13:08

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 1022367)
Yes, I know and I apologise for criticising your decision.

It's just that I have experienced flu ... long time ago in my early twenties (think it was the Asian Flu). Myself, ex husband and then 2 year old daughter caught it, and it was a terrible and frightening experience ... we were just crawling around for 2 weeks trying to help each other. This went towards my decision to have the injection.

No apology necessary Kate.
I have never had flu...lots of other viral illnesses, but not flu.

I try my best to look after my health. I take vitamin D supplements.

I wear gloves when I am out an likely to be touching hard surfaces which may harbour the virus...wash my hands often(no wonder they are like elephant leather).
I stay very active.....it is not possible to do anything else with the tinlids and Ma to look after.
I do not eat cheese or have much dairy in my diet....it creates phlegm(it might not do the same for you)....I have two fresh oranges most days during the winter.
Over the years my chest has become something of a problem....maybe it is inherited, or maybe it is as a result of working in two dusty industries - the cotton mill and the Carborundum Co....my maternal grandmother had bronchitis most winters.
When I am in for a bout of bronchitis I do not even get the symptoms of a head cold...no runny nose, a tickly throat maybe, but that is it.
I may submit to having the vaccine when I feel 'elderly' at the moment I am just middle aged( or that is how I feel).

I am not against others having the vaccination if that is what they wish(and they feel it is of benefit to them)...it is just not for me.

susie123 12-10-2012 13:14

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OK Chris so you're good at cut and paste - but it would save me a lot of time if you could include links to your sources - but have managed to track them down anyway.

I don't disagree with a lot of the suggestions about how to boost your immune system - but I take them with a pinch of salt when they are listed on a site whose purpose is to sell the very supplements named in the list.

Top 20 ways to boost your immunity to colds and flu without using vaccines

As for the Cochrane collaboration study not only have I read the article that you cut and pasted which is available on several websites but I have also read the original Cochrane study and I will now cut and paste from that...

The results of this review seem to discourage the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may be only advised as an individual protection measure against symptoms in specific cases. [The study only looked at results from healthy adults between 16 and 65. These are not the ones currently being offered the flu vaccine in the UK.]

The content and results of previous versions of this review have been extensively misquoted especially in public policy documents. Two types of common misquotes are the generalisation of evidence from this review to all age and risk groups and the generalisation of estimates of effect to all outcomes (especially complications and deaths). The misquotes then assume that the performance of influenza vaccines is uniform across all age groups and from symptom prevention to all outcomes. Both generalisations are not supported by any evidence and seem to originate from the desire to use our review to support decisions already taken. The misquotes appear to be based on both the abstract and Plain language summary (which is what you would expect from a superficial reading of the review by people with a specific agenda).

The universal immunisation of healthy adults should achieve a number of specific goals: reducing the spread of the disease, reducing the economic loss due to working days lost and reducing morbidity and hospitalization. None of the studies included in the review presented results evaluating the ability of this vaccination to interrupt the spread of the disease. Some studies presented data on reduction of working days lost and showed a very limited effect. Similarly a very limited effect was found on morbidity and no effect was found on hospitalization. Given the limited availability of resources for mass immunisation, the use of influenza vaccines should be primarily directed where there is clear evidence of benefit. [So it is currently offered only to the over-65s and others with various health problems.]

We are not aware of other systematic reviews on this topic. [So more work needs to be done.]

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 13:18

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1022375)
It's a cut and paste job Cashy - see my next post...

correct it is a copy an paste job,i'm just sharing the info :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 12-10-2012 13:18

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Yes Sue, I read the original of that one as well.

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 13:35

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1022380)
OK Chris so you're good at cut and paste - but it would save me a lot of time if you could include links to your sources - but have managed to track them down anyway.


Congrats on the detective work sue only a matter of time before your head hunted by MI5 etc, i'll recommend your name for the Guinness World Records too as it must be a record on how quick you are to track the links down :D

susie123 12-10-2012 13:39

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1022360)
I was once told(by a researcher who worked for Astra Zeneca in Altrincham) to be wary of research, and to ask some probing questions.....like who commissioned and paid for the reasearch?
Were the researchers truly independent with no links to the drug being researched?
What was the criteria for inclusion into the research program?
What data was collected and collated...and how was it analysed?

Prior to this I had been inclined to take research on face value.

The Cochrane Collaboration study had this to say...

It is now known that industry funding of influenza vaccines studies determines publication in high prestige journals and higher citation rates than other types of funding. In addition industry funding is associated with optimistic conclusions, but the quality of the majority of influenza vaccines studies is low, irrespective of funding. A previously cited review showed a complex web of interrelationships between these variables http://www.bmj.com/content/338/bmj.b354, but how this impacts on policy making is unknown.


cashman 12-10-2012 14:33

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022381)
correct it is a copy an paste job,i'm just sharing the info :rolleyes:

I doubt that very much or yeh would have named yer source, My bet is yer trying to look clever n failing badly.:D

susie123 12-10-2012 14:44

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022383)
Congrats on the detective work sue only a matter of time before your head hunted by MI5 etc, i'll recommend your name for the Guinness World Records too as it must be a record on how quick you are to track the links down :D

Well thank you for that, you're dealing with a semi-professional here. It was part of my job for several years before I retired.

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 14:47

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022389)
I doubt that very much or yeh would have named yer source, My bet is yer trying to look clever n failing badly.:D

you lost your bet then cash because i was only sharing the info,if i was trying to look clever with that post i'd of at least reworded it and mixed it up abit :rolleyes:

cashman 12-10-2012 14:50

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022392)
you lost your bet then cash because i was only sharing the info,if i was trying to look clever with that post i'd of at least reworded it and mixed it up abit :rolleyes:

not if yer lazy n can't be bothered.:D

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 15:28

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022393)
not if yer lazy n can't be bothered.:D


think this threads come to a end,it's turning into the usual accyweb bitching contest :rolleyes: (yawn)

Less 12-10-2012 15:33

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022400)
think this threads come to a end,it's turning into the usual accyweb bitching contest :rolleyes: (yawn)


How does someone with only 80 posts to their name come to the conclusion this is usual?

Unless you and your posts have been through this before?


If that's the case, didn't learn last time you were banned, doesn't look like you're learning this time to prevent history repeating itself are you?
:D

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 15:48

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022401)
How does someone with only 80 posts to their name come to the conclusion this is usual?

Unless you and your posts have been through this before?


If that's the case, didn't learn last time you were banned, doesn't look like you're learning this time to prevent history repeating itself are you?
:D

maybe,just maybe someone with only 80 posts was viewing the site before becoming a member of said site and thus can come to said conclusion :rolleyes:

Less 12-10-2012 15:55

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022407)
maybe,just maybe someone with only 80 posts was viewing the site before becoming a member of said site and thus can come to said conclusion :rolleyes:

Maybe had they been that careful in their observations they would know what type of thread to avoid unless they intended to stir the pot?

Chris SUI JURIS 12-10-2012 17:12

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022408)
Maybe had they been that careful in their observations they would know what type of thread to avoid unless they intended to stir the pot?

And maybe i'm a believer in freedom of speech and won't tread on eggshells for any1...just maybe :rolleyes:...can we move on now (yawn)

Restless 12-10-2012 17:32

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022411)
And maybe i'm a believer in freedom of speech and won't tread on eggshells for any1...just maybe :rolleyes:...can we move on now (yawn)

Doesn't mean you have to be a jerk and get yourself banned.Does it? :D

Less 12-10-2012 17:52

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022411)
And maybe i'm a believer in freedom of speech and won't tread on eggshells for any1...just maybe :rolleyes:...can we move on now (yawn)

Freedom of speech?
Why do your sort always resort to that old cliche whenever you are weakened by your poor arguments?
You don't have freedom of speech on this site, you agreed to obey the site rules, that removes any silly idea you may have of freedom of speech.

Margaret Pilkington 14-10-2012 09:02

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To anyone who has any doubts about what I posted in post 199 of this thread, I would suggest you get hold of a copy of the book Bad Pharma by Dr Ben Goldacre.(maybe the Library has a copy)
It will give you food for thought....and some ideas on how to protect yourself.

Chris SUI JURIS 15-10-2012 14:55

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1022412)
Doesn't mean you have to be a jerk and get yourself banned.Does it? :D

can you be banned for being a jerk? (it would'nt suprise me) :D

Chris SUI JURIS 15-10-2012 15:04

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022415)
Freedom of speech?
Why do your sort always resort to that old cliche whenever you are weakened by your poor arguments?
You don't have freedom of speech on this site, you agreed to obey the site rules, that removes any silly idea you may have of freedom of speech.

lol why do your sort think just because someone ticked a box that removes your right to freedom of speech? Long as i'm not harming anyone with my comments i can say what i like,,,keep smiling :D

Restless 15-10-2012 18:13

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022808)
can you be banned for being a jerk? (it would'nt suprise me) :D

well If you are ''accychris'' you would know ;)

Less 15-10-2012 18:25

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Oh Dear, I wonder what he's been on?
Not as if this is the only thread he's ranting on, now, I want you all to let me know if you've upset him, how you have upset him and how we can do it again!

Or maybe, he could stop his own strop, by talking sense?
;)

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 11:26

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022841)
Oh Dear, I wonder what he's been on?
Not as if this is the only thread he's ranting on, now, I want you all to let me know if you've upset him, how you have upset him and how we can do it again!

Or maybe, he could stop his own strop, by talking sense?
;)

I've been on my herbal suppliments ;)

Calling all witch hunters,accy warriors,clique members alike lets join forces :rolleyes:

Neil 16-10-2012 12:14

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022216)
i sense another witch hunt :rolleyes:

No witch hunt at all, I will just ban you when I get bored of editing your posts so they fit within the rules.

Bad news for you, I start a few weeks of nights soon and my wife tells me I get a little grumpy when on nights, I wonder if you will still be here by the time I finish them :rolleyes::D

Neil 16-10-2012 12:16

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022808)
can you be banned for being a jerk? (it would'nt suprise me) :D

Have you not read rule 29

Quote:

29: You can be banned for being a jerk.

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 13:17

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1022941)
No witch hunt at all, I will just ban you when I get bored of editing your posts so they fit within the rules.

Bad news for you, I start a few weeks of nights soon and my wife tells me I get a little grumpy when on nights, I wonder if you will still be here by the time I finish them :rolleyes::D

If you start the day all grumpy and moody it affects the rest of your day Neil and who knows what will happen to accyweb then ;),,,,,,Maca Root might sort your grumpiness out :D

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 13:37

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1022942)
Have you not read rule 29


There's always a rule somewhere, i must of missed that one thanks for bringing it to my attention tho :D

Mick 18-10-2012 12:39

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Just been to docs for my annual ECG as most of you will know i have heart problems so i have a regular checkup once a year.
while i was there the nurse took blood checked urine and checked blood pressure
Then she asked if i had had my flu injection i told her no and although the wife had received a letter asking her to go i had not got mine.
she said you should have got it as they have all been sent out.
so i got my flu injection as well
she said if i caught flu on top of my heart condition the extra strain could be very bad including death (her words)
anyway i mentioned this thread on accyweb and she said they want all people who have heart or breathing problems asthma etc to have the flu injection to help there immune system .
But anyone that is healthy and has no health problems don't need the injection as they prefer them to build up an immunity naturally as for staff having the injection she said it was voluntary its there to stop them catching flu and passing it on to patients.

Restless 18-10-2012 19:56

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ah but some people think that contains mind controlling drugs that make people go nuts on xmas shopping and thats why they are are administered shortly before Christmas :rolleyes: :) You will get the joke if you're a simpsons fan

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 10:58

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Childhood Vaccinations....Why I Did Not Vaccinate My Child. - YouTube

worth a watch

MargaretR 19-10-2012 11:45

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This is the second time you have put up a video of some person of doubtful intelligence spouting the same views as you.

This is not the ideal way to convert people to your way of thinking.

It is like asking people to believe that that some stranger who sat next to them on a bus has the solution to all world problems.

I consider that you are misguided into thinking that you can 'convert' people by these methods, and really you should reconsider whether you are wasting your time trying.

I realize that you have good intentions, but your methods are having the opposite effect to that which you intend.

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 12:34

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1023300)
This is the second time you have put up a video of some person of doubtful intelligence spouting the same views as you.

This is not the ideal way to convert people to your way of thinking.

It is like asking people to believe that that some stranger who sat next to them on a bus has the solution to all world problems.

I consider that you are misguided into thinking that you can 'convert' people by these methods, and really you should reconsider whether you are wasting your time trying.

I realize that you have good intentions, but your methods are having the opposite effect to that which you intend.

doubtful intelligence??? i think there both quite intelligent,others may disagree.
I don't want to convert folk to my way of thinking(God forbid :D),although i can see how you think my views seem that way(my views are my views, not for everyone,same as yours are not) is'nt that what forums are for? (i'm just sharing a different way of looking at things).As for wasting my time i've nothing better to do at the min (i'll get bored soon enough) ;)

Margaret Pilkington 19-10-2012 13:51

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I suppose it depends what you mean by 'soon enough'.......I doubt very much it will be soon enough for many on this forum.

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 15:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1023314)
I suppose it depends what you mean by 'soon enough'.......I doubt very much it will be soon enough for many on this forum.

I agree 100% marg :D...But i'm entitled to have my say before i go(get banned) am I not ?

Michael1954 19-10-2012 15:35

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023340)
I agree 100% marg :D...But i'm entitled to have my say before i go(get banned) am I not ?

Do you anticipate getting banned?

Gordon Booth 19-10-2012 15:46

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 1023346)
Do you anticipate getting banned?

Wishful thinking, Michael1954?
But then, perhaps like me your glass is always half full.

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1022941)
No witch hunt at all, I will just ban you when I get bored of editing your posts so they fit within the rules.

Bad news for you, I start a few weeks of nights soon and my wife tells me I get a little grumpy when on nights, I wonder if you will still be here by the time I finish them :rolleyes::D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 1023346)
Do you anticipate getting banned?

would you? :D

lindsay ormerod 19-10-2012 18:44

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Just for a brief foray back to the topic, yep, I'm having my flu jab next week, courtesy of my employers who obviously feel that the outlay is worth it in terms of the manhours missed through illness. Incidentally there are over 400 staff at our place and only about 40 have requested the jab. Seems a bit daft not to when it's free and I get bad laryngitis in winter so it may keep that at bay!

On another note , all the bitchiness and nonsense on this thread have once again reminded me why I am no longer a frequent visitor to what used to be a really entertaing, fun website.Schoolyard name calling and dumbass conspiracy theories have ruined it.:(

Gremlin 19-10-2012 18:52

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I had my 'flu jab today, the district nurse who comes to see my wife had arranged for both of us to have it at home. I wasn't bothered about having one but the nurse persuaded me to.
Since having my evening meal I have started having a bad headache and feeling drowsy.
Maybe it is because of the jab, maybe not, but it's too late to worry now, it isn't the two pints I have just had because they don't normally affect me.

maxthecollie 19-10-2012 20:39

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1023369)
I had my 'flu jab today, the district nurse who comes to see my wife had arranged for both of us to have it at home. I wasn't bothered about having one but the nurse persuaded me to.
Since having my evening meal I have started having a bad headache and feeling drowsy.
Maybe it is because of the jab, maybe not, but it's too late to worry now, it isn't the two pints I have just had because they don't normally affect me.

Have another two pints and sleep it off.

Gremlin 19-10-2012 20:49

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I have and I will.
Good night.

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 22:11

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 1023367)
Just for a brief foray back to the topic, yep, I'm having my flu jab next week, courtesy of my employers who obviously feel that the outlay is worth it in terms of the manhours missed through illness. Incidentally there are over 400 staff at our place and only about 40 have requested the jab. Seems a bit daft not to when it's free and I get bad laryngitis in winter so it may keep that at bay!

On another note , all the bitchiness and nonsense on this thread have once again reminded me why I am no longer a frequent visitor to what used to be a really entertaing, fun website.Schoolyard name calling and dumbass conspiracy theories have ruined it.:(

Thanks for your input lindsay, so your having the jab because your boss thinks it's a good idea, it's free, an it may keep your laryngitis at bay?

You may want to ask yourself why 90% of your workmates refused the jab

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1023369)
I had my 'flu jab today, the district nurse who comes to see my wife had arranged for both of us to have it at home. I wasn't bothered about having one but the nurse persuaded me to.
Since having my evening meal I have started having a bad headache and feeling drowsy.
Maybe it is because of the jab, maybe not, but it's too late to worry now, it isn't the two pints I have just had because they don't normally affect me.

hope it's the beer and not the jab

Chris SUI JURIS 23-10-2012 16:17

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is it Vaccine time folks?

Warning to East Lancashire parents after outbreaks of mumps, measles, rubella and whooping cough (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Chris SUI JURIS 25-10-2012 10:22

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Hospital Employees’ Jobs In Jeopardy If They Don’t Get Flu Shot
(i know it's america but how long before it's here?)
Hospital Employees’ Jobs In Jeopardy If They Don’t Get Flu Shot CBS Denver

Flu Shot is definitely linked to increased H1N1 /Swine flu illness

Penny for your thoughts: Flu Shot is definitely linked to increased H1N1 /Swine flu illness

sm_counsell 25-10-2012 13:08

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Just to let you know,here in Italy the Government has today ordered the withdrawal of thousands of dodgy flu vaccine manufactured by more than one company. Strenthens my decision to not have one!!

Gremlin 25-10-2012 14:36

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Well, it's a week since I had my 'flu jab and no side effects so far.

lindsay ormerod 25-10-2012 22:58

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023408)
Thanks for your input lindsay, so your having the jab because your boss thinks it's a good idea, it's free, an it may keep your laryngitis at bay?

You may want to ask yourself why 90% of your workmates refused the jab

If you can be arsed to read my post and not make stupid assumptions I said that it was offered to employees, it's not compulsory, same as we get offers for gyms and the like. I've had it today and can tell you it cost my employers about £20 which they are happy to pay as obviously it might mean I won't be off sick, and for me, I couldn't get it free as I'm not asthmatic so its a no brainer really. If you don't want it , fair enough, as it isI have a slightly sore arm and the hope that I won't get flu in the next 12 months and it's cost me nowt. Who's the winner......:rolleyes:

emamum 25-10-2012 23:01

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ive never had a flu jab

Restless 26-10-2012 00:17

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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 1024740)
ive never had a flu jab

and do you catch the flu?

Chris SUI JURIS 26-10-2012 01:13

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 1024739)
If you can be arsed to read my post and not make stupid assumptions I said that it was offered to employees, it's not compulsory, same as we get offers for gyms and the like. I've had it today and can tell you it cost my employers about £20 which they are happy to pay as obviously it might mean I won't be off sick, and for me, I couldn't get it free as I'm not asthmatic so its a no brainer really. If you don't want it , fair enough, as it isI have a slightly sore arm and the hope that I won't get flu in the next 12 months and it's cost me nowt. Who's the winner......:rolleyes:

A simple yes would have done :)

Chris SUI JURIS 26-10-2012 01:18

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Originally Posted by Gremlin (Post 1024581)
Well, it's a week since I had my 'flu jab and no side effects so far.

What no turning blue or extra limbs? :D

Shurm 26-10-2012 07:19

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Had a flu jab on Weds this week I'm sure it's the first jab of any kind I've ever had. I must admit I'm sceptical about it but with me having T2 Diabetes and related illnesses and my Wife expecting our first Baby (my 2nd) I thought I need to look after myself better in the future if I want to stay around.

My Mother refused me any jabs as an infant and at school because of the 3 in 1 jab you have as a baby giving my Sister brain damage (proved in court) and she had to spend the rest of her life devoted to raising her. Both died at an early age 20 and 40s and I have tried to resist any medication up to a couple of years ago.

So as someone who has reasons not to take medicine/jabs etc I think it's really up to the individual to decide for themselves what is right for them some posts on here really don't help some vulnerable people who might get benefit from the jab but are now put off. I've had no reaction yet, my Wife had it last year and always gets colds etc but was fine last Winter so I thought go on then even though I had all sorts going on in my head. :eek:

Anyway hopefully I'll still be here next year and I will post on this thread to say get in done :D

Margaret Pilkington 26-10-2012 07:26

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Shurm you are right.......each one of us has to weigh up their own risks against any perceived advantages. We all have a responsibility to ourselves.
However, your comment on some of the posts being counter-productive...maybe scaring some people off the jab when they should have it, fails to recognise that without adequate information, or the ability to find information, an informed choice cannot be made.

I hope the flu jab works for you, and that you continue to remain healthy.

Just a small aside here....the flu jab that your wife had last year would not have prevented her getting the common cold.....it was just luck :)

emamum 26-10-2012 11:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1024747)
and do you catch the flu?

nope, never had flu either, ive had colds, i just get tired when i have one anyway

Chris SUI JURIS 26-10-2012 13:30

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Whats folks views on FORCED/mandatory vaccinations?
The American Medical Association (AMA) recently published a paper proposing the introduction of a new law to force you and your children into experimental vaccine trials against your wishes.
Should the STATE be able to over-ride our decision to vaccinate?
How long before our government brings out a 'new law'?

cashman 26-10-2012 13:36

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My view on forced vaccinations is simple, you should be given a lethal one.:D

Boeing Guy 26-10-2012 13:51

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:Banane36::Banane36::Banane36::Banane36::Banane36:
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1024821)
My view on forced vaccinations is simple, you should be given a lethal one.:D

Lol.:Banane36:

DaveinGermany 26-10-2012 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1024819)
Whats folks views on FORCED/mandatory vaccinations?

It has already happened a few years back to certain parts of the populace.

Mystery surrounds secret 1991 vaccines | World news | The Guardian

Chris SUI JURIS 26-10-2012 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1024826)
It has already happened a few years back to certain parts of the populace.

Mystery surrounds secret 1991 vaccines | World news | The Guardian

Cheers for the link thats Scary "Each individual was given up to 12 vaccines"
" It has been established that veterans deployed to the Gulf are two to three times more likely to report symptoms than those not deployed" :eek:

Restless 27-10-2012 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1024821)
My view on forced vaccinations is simple, you should be given a lethal one.:D

how does a vaccination that is lethal work ? :hehetable

DaveinGermany 27-10-2012 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025027)
how does a vaccination that is lethal work ? :hehetable

Stops you catching anything ..................... ever ! :rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 27-10-2012 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025027)
how does a vaccination that is lethal work ? :hehetable

Stops you boring people and making them yawn.

Restless 27-10-2012 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1025033)
Stops you boring people and making them yawn.

Good. Never though of that as a solution to that particular problem of mine

Gordon Booth 27-10-2012 16:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025059)
Good. Never though of that as a solution to that particular problem of mine

No offence intended, Restless, not aimed at you, even though you name yourself 'tediously boring member'- only just noticed that,never thought it.

Chris SUI JURIS 27-10-2012 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1024821)
My view on forced vaccinations is simple, you should be given a lethal one.:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025027)
how does a vaccination that is lethal work ? :hehetable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1025033)
Stops you boring people and making them yawn.


Oh how the trolls laughed....yawn ;)

Restless 27-10-2012 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1025074)
No offence intended, Restless, not aimed at you, even though you name yourself 'tediously boring member'- only just noticed that,never thought it.

No worries Gordon. Didn't think it was. But I do think I have been boring the people that are physically around me lately. One track mind getting rid of this chest infection.

cashman 27-10-2012 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025027)
how does a vaccination that is lethal work ? :hehetable

Yeh better ask one of our Yankee members mate, Their penal system used em fer years.:D;)

Less 27-10-2012 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1025080)
No worries Gordon. Didn't think it was. But I do think I have been boring the people that are physically around me lately. One track mind getting rid of this chest infection.

Don't worry about it, IF they are real fiends, er' sorry friends they will understand your concerns, must admit, I personally find it...

only joking.
:)

Restless 27-10-2012 19:26

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Being allergic to the penicillin-- The side effects of some of the various antibiotics I have had to take in the past have been daunting. Anal Leakage, Genital warts........ The ones I am on now say "don't lie down for a while otherwise you will get ulcerations in the stomach" I have become Victor Meldrew. Looking up medicines and boring my housemates with the details.

Margaret Pilkington 27-10-2012 19:29

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Oh Rob....TMI :D
Hope you get better soon.

Marl 28-10-2012 17:55

Had flue jab last week I am now in bed with temperature runny nose n headache....Makes you wonder eh?.

Less 28-10-2012 17:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marl (Post 1025308)
Had flue jab last week I am now in bed with temperature runny nose n headache....Makes you wonder eh?.

Don't worry it's only man flu', I have had the sniffles for the past two days I've yet to have my jab.
:)

Margaret Pilkington 28-10-2012 17:57

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Hope you are feeling better soon.

Margaret Pilkington 28-10-2012 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1025311)
Don't worry it's only man flu', I have had the sniffles for the past two days I've yet to have my jab.
:)

yes but yours is from drinking cold beer out of damp glasses sat on a foreign pavement Less. :D
And you probably left your vest off for the sea crossing too.

Less 28-10-2012 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1025313)
yes but yours is from drinking cold beer out of damp glasses sat on a foreign pavement Less. :D
And you probably left your vest off for the sea crossing too.

Never leave my vest off, if I did my nipples would show through my T-shirt, nothing worse than having women constantly after your body.
;)

Margaret Pilkington 28-10-2012 18:04

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ha-ha-ha........You wish Less!

Marl 29-10-2012 07:31

Thank you Margaret. :)

Chris SUI JURIS 29-10-2012 14:54

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Today while visiting a elderly relative there was a knock on the door,i said i'd answer it and opened the door to find 2 NHS nurses, i assumed they was visiting to change my relatives bandages and let them in,turns out they were there for the flu jab :eek:

They started by asking if my relative had been suffering any flu symptoms to which the answer was "no" then they got out there 'box of poison' to which i said "you might as well put that away he's not having a flu jab" to which they both looked at me like they just found me drowning puppys in a lodge "why is he not having one" one of the nurses said "because i don't trust them and he's low-ish risk as he does'nt get out much" "we've had ours the other said" to which i just laughed and after them trying there best to convience my relative the jab was for him and my relative saying he's ok and didn't want it they packed up and went to leave,On the way out i asked "whats your personal view on vaccines" to which the senior nurse turned and said " if it wasn't good for us they wouldn't give it us would they" :eek::eek:

Just hope my relative stays flu free this 'flu season' and i've not made a bad call(time will tell) :)

Margaret Pilkington 29-10-2012 15:10

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I took Ma to the doctors today...she wasn't seeing the doctor, but the HCA, (to have her bloods done)......she got the flu jab at the same time. I don't want it, but would not influence ma in her decision to have it.
The HCA who did the bloods was sniffling and sneezing - obviously in the throes of a heavy cold........I hope neither of us get it from being cooped up in that little room with her.

Gordon Booth 29-10-2012 16:26

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Just to update- we both had the jab late September. I have to say that within a few days we both started sniffling and blowing our noses. We still are. My wife says she won't have it next year, I can't decide. It may just be coincidence but I suppose if your body is going to develop antibodies there must be something to react to in the jab. A very mild case of flu?
Still, a bit of sniffing and blowing is better than getting the full flu

Less 29-10-2012 17:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1025400)
Today while visiting a elderly relative there was a knock on the door,i said i'd answer it and opened the door to find 2 NHS nurses, i assumed they was visiting to change my relatives bandages and let them in,turns out they were there for the flu jab :eek:

They started by asking if my relative had been suffering any flu symptoms to which the answer was "no" then they got out there 'box of poison' to which i said "you might as well put that away he's not having a flu jab" to which they both looked at me like they just found me drowning puppys in a lodge "why is he not having one" one of the nurses said "because i don't trust them and he's low-ish risk as he does'nt get out much" "we've had ours the other said" to which i just laughed and after them trying there best to convience my relative the jab was for him and my relative saying he's ok and didn't want it they packed up and went to leave,On the way out i asked "whats your personal view on vaccines" to which the senior nurse turned and said " if it wasn't good for us they wouldn't give it us would they" :eek::eek:

Just hope my relative stays flu free this 'flu season' and i've not made a bad call(time will tell) :)

Don't you talk absolute carp.

Chris SUI JURIS 29-10-2012 22:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1025442)
Don't you talk absolute carp.


Every word is the truth less...unless you was there and you are saying you seen things different? wait a minute i've sussed it....your my dad....why didnt you say before :eek: :rolleyes:

emamum 29-10-2012 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1025400)
" if it wasn't good for us they wouldn't give it us would they" :eek::eek:



i probably shouldnt say but i dont agree with that.

Chris SUI JURIS 29-10-2012 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 1025523)
i probably shouldnt say but i dont agree with that.

I was gob smacked,I didn't want to go to much into one there a good bunch really.......when there not pushing drugs ;)

Less 30-10-2012 08:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1025522)
Every word is the truth less...unless you was there and you are saying you seen things different? wait a minute i've sussed it....your my dad....why didnt you say before :eek: :rolleyes:

I can definitely say you are not the product of one of my cock up's, some other poor soul must claim that responsibility.
:)

BERNADETTE 30-10-2012 08:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1025400)
Today while visiting a elderly relative there was a knock on the door,i said i'd answer it and opened the door to find 2 NHS nurses, i assumed they was visiting to change my relatives bandages and let them in,turns out they were there for the flu jab :eek:

They started by asking if my relative had been suffering any flu symptoms to which the answer was "no" then they got out there 'box of poison' to which i said "you might as well put that away he's not having a flu jab" to which they both looked at me like they just found me drowning puppys in a lodge "why is he not having one" one of the nurses said "because i don't trust them and he's low-ish risk as he does'nt get out much" "we've had ours the other said" to which i just laughed and after them trying there best to convience my relative the jab was for him and my relative saying he's ok and didn't want it they packed up and went to leave,On the way out i asked "whats your personal view on vaccines" to which the senior nurse turned and said " if it wasn't good for us they wouldn't give it us would they" :eek::eek:

Just hope my relative stays flu free this 'flu season' and i've not made a bad call(time will tell) :)

Why did you speak for your relative initially? These nurses don't do home visits without them being arranged so why did they turn up at your relatives door? Sounds to me like you are influencing other peoples decisions.

Gremlin 30-10-2012 09:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 1025566)
Why did you speak for your relative initially? These nurses don't do home visits without them being arranged so why did they turn up at your relatives door? Sounds to me like you are influencing other peoples decisions.

That is correct Bernadette.
My wife has the district nurse visit her twice a week and the 'flu jab was arranged in advance.
The nurse gets the vaccine from the patients GP so it can be logged on to the records.
It was also arranged for me to have the jab at the same time otherwise I wouldn't have bothered trailing down to the GP's surgery.

Chris SUI JURIS 30-10-2012 10:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 1025566)
Why did you speak for your relative initially? These nurses don't do home visits without them being arranged so why did they turn up at your relatives door? Sounds to me like you are influencing other peoples decisions.

It turns out that they had discussed it with my dad about a week ago when they came to do his bandages,but he told them he was unsure as he hates needles.....In my eyes it's them that are influencing decisions, i don't want to influence anyone's judgment we've all gotta weigh up the pro's and con's and make our decision accordingly

Chris SUI JURIS 30-10-2012 10:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1025561)
I can definitely say you are not the product of one of my cock up's, some other poor soul must claim that responsibility.
:)

Can you be 100% sure less? you certainly act like him,thinking you know best ;)

Chris SUI JURIS 31-10-2012 13:01

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Anyone remember this track?

Praga Khan - Injected With A Poison (UK Remix) - YouTube

DaveinGermany 31-10-2012 13:16

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Being Halloween & all that, here's a little something to stir up in the cauldron.

Drugs giant Roche accused of sitting on trial data for flu treatment - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Chris SUI JURIS 31-10-2012 13:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1025727)
Being Halloween & all that, here's a little something to stir up in the cauldron.

Drugs giant Roche accused of sitting on trial data for flu treatment - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Cheers for the input :)

The worlds biggest drug dealers pushing there ways onto the vulnerable :rolleyes:

Anyway You need to stop researching this and look into toy train sets etc,you'll be labeled a conspiracist next :eek: :D

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2012 13:31

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If you really, really want to scare yourself silly, then read Ben Goldacres book 'Bad Pharma'.

The stuff about research is not new to me. I was at the Astra Zeneca company in Altrincham way back in the late 80's and was discussing drug research...one of the associates there told me tales which really worried me and made me question stuff that we, as medical professionals, had been taught.

This man was so disillusioned with the research work (and the manipulation of results) that he left research and became a chiropodist...at much less money, but more peace of mind.

Chris SUI JURIS 31-10-2012 13:38

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Vulnerable people are being urged to ignore fears over faulty vaccines and get their flu jabs "No need to worry about flu vaccine"


No need to worry about flu vaccine - Community - Lancashire Evening Post

Margaret Pilkington 31-10-2012 13:46

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It is important(in the sense of making sure something is safe) to have all the results of all the research... any missing research results mean that the whole of the study is flawed......and results skewed in favour of the company producing the drug/vaccine.
Drug companies frequently pull the plug on research that is uncomplimentary to the product(which means the profits will be dented) and fail to publish results which show the drug/vaccine in anything other than the best light...which in simple terms means - they LIE!


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