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How ironic Mog, there was no no mass media coverage about incidents like that.

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No there wasn't, there should have been, those men did something heroic.


I am sorry for the work to rule line Mog, I was wrong.

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Not being funny B.G. but that simple fact about stuff not being reported was not n isolated incident,by far during that period. Many who lived through it of a suitable age were not aware,It all comes out in the wash eventually.

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No problem mate. I know what miners were and the dedication and comrademanship that was shown between men and their pit was like. We also had a gas Explosion due to Spontaneous combustion. on December 12th 1982 where 21 of us was involved with a deap seated coal fire that ignited Methane in the strata. 21 of us all came out alive. We all made sure of that.

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Margaret Thatcher scored a political own goal with her attitude to football - Telegraph Typical attitude to the workingman, which football still was back then.:rolleyes:

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Well thought I was posting on the Margaret Thatcher forum rather than at the NUM supporters club. No idea why we sidetrack to industries that were closed, and needed to be closed.

Mrs T's achievements were far greater than that. Any chance of thinking beyond Lancashire for a second? Like her role in the ending of the cold war (Gorbachov achnowledged this yesterday), her reclamation of billions from the EU - a non-negotiable rebate that European leaders are ****ed off about today, the Falklands War, fixing the broken economy etc etc.

Seems we all forgot why Labour was voted out by a landslide in 1979. Inflation at 15%, interest rates 18%, strikes everywhere, rubbish filling the streets. Even with rose glasses on you cant defend that.

As to my location then and now. I worked both in Newcastle and London in the 1980s, and spent my first 19 years in Newcastle. I can't be accused of being blinkered to the North South Divide - my accent would tell you otherwise.

As to the location of my business. Depends which one you are talking about - I'm the founder of 4 businesses. The largest of these is based in Singapore, but you should note that my first business was UK based and still is UK based. It just couldn't do much beyond struggle because I started it in April 07 and battled that fool Brown's economic policies (where I'm competing against the welfare state for employees, who if they are single mums are paid more to not work) the taxman and the shambolic state of UK's finances. Mrs T fixed Labour's overspend. Then 12 years of Labour overspend followed alongside a complete lack of regulation of banking.

I can say though that the businesses I created since 2007 have provided around 250 man years of employment for people, over 100 of these in deprived parts of Northern UK. I've also paid more tax to the UK govt than anyone here (circa 1m in income tax, payroll tax, VAT since 07). In both regards I think I have little to defend. Money I make in Singapore is largely directly reinvested in Accrington and properties in other parts of the North because I don't trust banks and think the worlds current economic system is a ponzi scheme. I buy shot properties in the town (you know there's loads of these) and bring them back to good standing.

My last point on mining is that if it was such a fantastically profitable industry why didn't anyone buy a mine? The miners could have, one or two independent companies tried it, all lost spectacular sums and closed.

Don't see why the taxpayer should be asked to foot the bill for rotten industries like steel, coal, shipbuilding, British Leyland, cotton, banking, weaving, basket making......

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Remember the 23rd March 1962 local pit disaster Hapton Valley 16 dead 21 injured 3 later died from injuries.

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Remember it so well. I was 15 working at Bankhall.

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Cost of the funeral is 8m. Value of the publicity as it's broadcast around the world...? Priceless.

The direct increase in tourist visitors to the country as a direct result in the months that follow will massively exceed the cost.

To argue that this 8m could be better spent is as stupid an argument as saying we shouldn't be buying the Duchess of Cambridge a new dress every day. The Royal family cost a lot of money, but they bring 100x payback in tourist receipts.

Same here: loads of pomp and ceremony, hours of live TV beamed around the world and on every news channel for days is great for UK plc.

Plus its a fitting recognition of the great lady's achievements.

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I thought this thread was about Thatcher, but is looks like you have taken over and made it all about you.

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Not those miners who threw ball-bearings under the hooves OR squirted a mixture of washing up liquid and pepper into the eyes of the police horses at Orgreave or the ones who killed a taxi driver in South Wales taking a miner to work then?

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My goodness me, you have come out with a couple of spectacular posts just now!
You don't seem to understand do you?
The amount of grief she caused to ordinary working folk?
I didn't go on strike during the 70's and 80's I was busy working, but a potentially good career was ruined because ancillary workers suffered the same fate as the miners, but because I and thousands more weren't directly employed, we didn't get the redundancy payments.
All she wanted was revenge at any cost.
The cost?
Use the money from gas and oil to pay for her ideals, rather than invest in the countries future.
You and your type of folk sicken me, you duck under any form of human responsibility and play at being a nice guy.

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i suppose if i absolutely must think of something positive about her it could be claimed that spitting image wouldnt have been as good as it was without her..


i wonder if they will make a one off spitting image tribute and burn the puppet at the stake

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That to me is a bit pathetic DtheP, There was loads of stuff went on during the strike very bad on both sides as i actually bore witness too, As i know fer fact yeh aint a dummy, i can only assume yeh choose to ignore the fact.:rolleyes: Still if yeh must defend the bitch.

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It's very easy on internet forums, twitter and the message boards to make caustic remarks in a few words, instantaneously. So for some people there's a great temptation to be direct and lack sensitivity.
Wiser commentators will always take a nuanced view of someone's death and as thee n me know the Accy Web doesn't only host wise commentators.:)

Globalisation and technology was eating into the old working-class world of supposed busy pits and factories, crowded pubs and cobbled streets, Old Britain was already dying, and a new Britain, more ambitious, more materialistic and infact more individualistic*, was already emerging before Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher with her high handed principles, tactical opportunism and populist rhetoric, and yes force of character hastened those trends, trends that have since then transformed British life for the better in my opinion.
*Yes selfish even.

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someone argued that the cost of her funeral would be met by the input of revenue created by people visiting to pay their respects

it could be argued that those people may just be coming to make sure the bitch is dead

have no fear though if asked about thatcher in person i would make teh same remarks,jokes and comments as i do on here.Its not as though i would be offending anyone

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Normally I'd be gobsmacked at the amalgam of the Harry Enfield 'loadsamoney' and 'I'm considerably richer than what you are' characteristics of this post...but considering who you are defending..I ain't because it's typically arrogant, belittling and offensive..just like the political diatribe she used to come out with.

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How do you know you have paid more tax than anyone here, I assume you mean accy web by that or do you mean in Britain? I hope the doors in your house (obviously bigger then anyone's here) are wide enough to get your big head out of, next time you pop out to check on your empire.

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Can anyone tell me, of all the things she did which arouse such emotion, which of them did the Labour Government cancel or reverse? They had how long?(was it 13 years, jaysay?).
Did they control the bankers and stop crawling to them? No.
Re- nationalise anything? No. In fact they went ahead with planning to privatize the last big one- the Post Office.
Invest in Industry to rebuild what she let die? No.
Stop allowing tenants to buy their council homes? No.
Allow the councils to build new social housing with the money from tenants who bought? No.
Re open the mines? No. But then there's not much point, the EU won't let us use coal anyway.

Stop involving us in military adventures? No. In fact they couldn't wait to get back into Iraq and having learnt nothing rushed into Afganistan.

I've thought of one thing they part reversed- they gave back a large part of our rebate to the EU and got absolutely nothing for it.

Many of the things she started were good enough for a Labour Government to continue with. Makes you think.

Only £8,000,000? I hope they're not skimping on it.

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One thing no other party can cancel,is the I'M alright jack, selfish,self centred society she created, Though some were probably that way before Thatcher.:rolleyes:

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You're struggling a bit here, cashman.

Are you saying she changed basic human nature in just 11 years- Quite an achievement.

Before her we were all unselfish, loving, caring teddy bears? I think not.

Have you thought of anything Labour did cancel or reverse yet?

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Thatcher took the free milk from our school children . Labour reversed this by putting free fresh fruit and veg in schools for every pupil.

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No i'm not struggling a bit,n yes she did change human nature a great deal wi a great many, n as fer before yer telling lies which don't surprise me, cos i said some were that way before Thatcher, you are probably a case in point.:rolleyes:

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That's good- someone has finally thought of one small thing. It's a start.

Now come up with some major policy change. I'm sure you can do better than free milk.

Actually, nobody had moaned about her stopping free milk so it's a good one.

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Point of order here: She cut school milk rather than the school budget. The milk was never free.
Give me books and teachers over that everytime.

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Piece in todays Guardian I paraphrase and plagarise:

Britain was battered out of the somnolent conservatism, across a wide front of economic policies and priorities, that held back progress and arguably prosperity.
Thatcherism imposed for better or for worse some of the liberalisation that the major continental economies know 20 years later on balance were for the better, and so plainly did Thatchers chief successor Tony Blair.
If a leader's record is to be measured by the willingnes of the other side to decide it cannot turn back the clock, then Baroness Thatcher bulks big in history. :)

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No you fool, the guys he is referring to were brave and heroic men. They worked for me and I am very proud of the commitment and dedication that they showed. Not all miners were like Scargill or one or two of the flying pickets. How dare you disrespect these guys who worked in conditions that you would run away from. These guys saved a colliery and the jobs of 1500 men. Without any hesitation and thought for their own safety and without reward. You I remember from the 60s and you havent changed one bit. How dare you.

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I think you need to reread my post Mog no disrespect to your colleagues in there.
But there are a couple of things we agree on though Arthur Scargill was a vain and foolish man playing with his members lives without a mandate.
Hey and I have no wish to change your perceptions of me either.

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Lies? Which of my 'lies' doesn't surprise you? I wasn't aware I'd told any. If you can point one out I will, of course, apologise.
If you can't, I will ask my second to call on yours tomorrow- will pistols at 25 paces suit you?

As for 'case in point'- yes, I always believed in kicking them to death on your way up- that way they won't be waiting for you on your way down.

In fact, I always liked the saying N.L.T.B.G.Y.D.- how about you?

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This one, its what i said. The last sentence i refer too.

Yep ive always lived by N.L.T.B.G.Y.D. n it seems to work well.

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Actually I missed the most important bit-' only do it FIRST'.

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;) Use sables guys then you can tickle each other to death.

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Ah, the "Ode to Odium" continues apace I see. So much Spleen smeared across these pages, I can't help but contemplate our modern society.

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Each to his own- I can be quite an artist with a sabre. Used to be quite good with pistols, too.

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At the end of the day - the Thatcher boom years were paid for by the sale of North Sea Gas - now we are all paying through the nose for energy after she privatised it all. The shares are now mainly in the hands of big business not the hands of the Common people as her policy was supposed to do. Also many council flats are also in the hands of mega-rich property developers and landlords - while now all over the land there is a shortage of council properties after Thatcher banned the building of new ones. Oh yeah ;)

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I need to lie down in a darkened room, i agree with the birdman:eek::eek:

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A question then n opinion that implied i differed from that opinion, you dress it up how yeh wish, I stick by my opinion.

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Absolutely correct we had enough Gas & Oil to have completely modernised the infra-structure of all manufacturing, not just coal mines, far better to waste it on her spiteful revenge than use it in a practical and sensible manner.


It was inevitable, almost everyone I know that bought shares back then soon found they had to sell them and who were the people waiting to buy them? Certainly not other small investors.
As for Council houses, similar to above, Folk bought the flat/house they'd lived in for years found it difficult to sell so they went to speculators that got them cheap as chips because these places were unsaleable but a good investment to rent out, Ka-ching!

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See yeh can talk sense when yeh want.:D

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It's an argument that does have some merit until you put into the mix the following Less:
The country was being brought low by union militancy and ineffective management both economic and industrial.
While we were being outflanked and out thought by Japanese, American and Euopean manufacturing interms of productivity,quality control and just-in-time stock management, UK Ltd was sinking into a quagmire of wildcat strikes and restrictive practices.
There had to be change.
Without it, all the Oil revenues from the last century and possibly this one would not have promulgated these changes in the way you suggest.

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One thing that cannot be denied about the bitch, dead or alive, she certainly provokes conversation.:D

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I agree that changes were needed right across the board, unfortunately the changes that we got weren't the right ones, with the money that was being put into the pot many real changes could have been made that secured the futures of us and the many that are to follow.

Had she been brave instead of spiteful many more would now be praising her and saddened by her death.

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news in from hell is that satan is been driven mental by her as she has already closed down 3 furnaces

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I would think that she would find ways to make hell more sufficient. A way to make souls suffer 100% more. I would think this but hell does not exist

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Of course it exists, it was known by many as hell on earth and happened in the 80's.
Those of us alive now are going through the remake of it with the spineless liberals as willing partners with yet more suffering for the poor and unemployed.

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If hell exists then only I live it and nothing else exists. Not even you - it's a disorder or an old charter or something

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Not only does hell exist it has 24/7 compulsory sex, doesn't sound too bad does it?
The thing is, it's an all male population!

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Lol. Whats that called where the subject believes only he is real?

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There is the ultimate dilemma. Protected or un protected :p though you are prob wrong. Its all female population

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Not the most popular thing I have said. Oops one too many drinks :)

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I've not read the whole thread (must be one of the fastest growing?) but I think it is a total disgrace that we should be spending £10 million on a pseudo-state funeral for someone who so divided the nation. Let her family bury her.

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The question may already have been asked on this thread .

But in case it hasn't , who were the people who forced Margaret Thatcher out of office ? :rolleyes:

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Thatcher was increasingly unpopular with the electorate which threatened the chances of the Tories winning a future General Election. When Geoffrey Howe severely criticised her stance on Europe in his resignation speech Michael Heseltine launched a leadership bid. Being advised by a number of close colleagues that she would lose a leadership election she decided to stand down.

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I'm not in the least surprised by the outcome of the thread, and it doesn't matter to me that almost noone agrees with me about Mrs T's legacy.

I do think that the degeneration into personal insults is the sign of a lost argument, but again doubt we can even agree on that :). Good thing I didn't come to this forum to find new friends....

Returning to the real debate, a quote from Mrs T is in the circumstances appropriate "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" Newsflash - it's official, in 2008 the UK actually did run out of other people's money. National debt topped 1 trillion pounds.

On tax my point is that I have no problem paying it but absolutely object to it being handed over to people like the Phillpotts who were allowed the choice of living off the efforts of others.

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I talked at length with Heseltine just after that, when he came to Accrington Con, he was arriving earlier than expected and JKH was running late, so he asked me to meet him and apologies and keep him happy while he got there, a very interesting 45 minutes;)

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It doesn't get any better, the BBC have cancelled more programs this afternoon for a Daily Politics Special, wonder what that can be about:confused::confused::mad:

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A Uturn on the bedroom tax hopefully.
:rolleyes:

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Will you be able to see each other at 25 paces? You will be needing your blunderbusses :p

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Not a snowball in hells chance:rolleyes:

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Very apt, the top post was post 46 two days ago.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Groupie! :D ;)

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I haven't commented on thatcher, just the supporting clowns:rolleyes::D

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The exact words yeh posted were "On this Thread" not on Thatcher.:tongueout

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I don't do pistols only peashooters.:D

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Perhaps then you came to the site for the wrong reasons?

Look at Jay and I political chalk and cheese, we'll hardly ever see eye to eye on policies but, despite that we are firm friends, maybe you need to look for some friends rather than just acting as some form of benefactor for the Hyndburn region?

:p
I don't think you'll find many disagreeing with you on that one.
:)

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Same here we will always no doubt disagree politically,jay n me, but end of the day hes a good un, not a head like Birkenhead, just a sound bloke.

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Just check wind direction first - it's no good to blow your pea against the wind ;)

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I'm sure the above is something you wouldn't stand for Mags!
:D

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i wasnt aware jaysay had political beliefs

next you lot will be telling me hes one of those pesky tory's :D

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A picture here of her during her visit in 1983, I'm the one in the centre to the left at the back watching out for the flying eggs :eek: My girlfriend at the time is in the centre of the picture thats why I kept it (honest :D).

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No such thing.;)

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Even i woulda kept that if yon was me bird Shurm.:D;)

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This is from 1984. Some of you may remember him. The guy seen here is from Huncoat Village. He worked at Thorney Bank and moved to Coventry mine in 1968. Ray is only about 5ft 2" tall, and he was arrested by 6 x 6 foot odd burly Met policemen. His crime was to stand and verbally criticise Maggie Thatcher. He was the smallest at the pit, They didnt half pick their men these big boys.

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So you're telling me that hell is just one big red hot flaming gay bar ? :eek:


Dear Lord, I know I've not paid you much attention through the years & that in all actuality I'm probably a most miserable sinner. The thing with the collection plate ..... well I needed the change & my counting's not right good & the other incident with the roof, I was just checking for leaks I swear.

Anyways I've just heard some rather alarming news & I'm most definitely very, very sorry & repentant ! Now, if you could just see your way to squeezing me in (no rush by the way, some time in the distant future will suffice) I'll even scrub the Lavvies for eternity, forever & ever Amen !

Any chance of the Lottery numbers while we're at it ? Just asking ! :D

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By the by, anyone got plans for the big planting day ... next wotansday, isn't it? Anyone heading south for the event? Or maybe just a quiet day of private mourning ... perhaps in some quiet corner of a pub, hidden so that nobody can see the tears falling into your pint:D

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I got plans fer the day Eric after discussions wi the boss No T.V. No Wireless,No Newspapers.

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I was 15 then and yes she was lovely (that's Karen not Margaret !!) :D

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It will be a big cup of strongly brewed apathy for the majority Eric ;)

You may not have read across there that the twitter thread #nowthatcherisdead was seen by many as announcing the death of Cher!!!

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Was she called tattersall?

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Well perhaps they'll do similar to the Olympics and force folk to be volunteers for crowd control, YOU WILL SLEEP UNDER A BRIDGE AND BE GRATEFUL WE HAVEN'T STOPPED YOUR MONEY.
Otherwise, I doubt that many people will spend two weeks benefit money on the rail fare.:(

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No Karen Pickup :)

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She was called many things most of the accurate one's can't be repeated on site.:rolleyes:

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Sorry, I thought you meant Maggie not the girlfriend.
:o

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Look what they are doing in Blackpool today to mark the Lady's passing.
;)

I'm emailing Britcliffe to get some sand delivered to the Market Hall ;)

You lad's from the Railway will have a beano..... cashy keep that hound away :)

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WHY?
:confused:

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Think we firmed that up a long time ago cashy, politics is about opinions, and every body has them, its what makes the world go round, I've always said that to hate somebody because of where they put a cross on a ballot paper is stupid. I think you'll agree that on the many occasions we've met can't remember us having a wrong word, far from it, plenty of laughs though:D

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That's one of the most sensible posts you've ever put on here Cashy, looks like you'll be in the same Zone as me:D

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Thought they had got rid of the turds from Blackpool beach:confused::D

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It'll give your creative juices a chance to run free ;)

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That "opinion" thingy .... there's a quote from Harlan Ellison (scifi fans will know who he is) that I like: "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opionion. No one is entitled to be ignorant". Not talking about you, bud, but there are some on here, and wherever you go in the world, who could do to take note of this. Another one of his that I like: "The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity.":theband:

By the way, I see that there will be no silences observed at football games ... a great pity that.:rolleyes: There will be no loud jeers and cheers from the stands on Wearside to serenade her as she floats on Charon's boat towards her eternal resting place.:D

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A turd?

Yeah o.k. a turd, but one that's smell will effect us all throughout history.
:(

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I don't think they will miss the chance for a last serenade

Liverpool fans chanting When Maggie Thatcher Dies v Sunderland - YouTube

Re: Margaret Thatcher
 

I'll repeat,

WHY?
:confused:

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We got that thing about Cher ... but not until there was enough light to see the smoke signals;) Messengers with cleft sticks are fanning out all over this great and primitive land of ours with the news.:D By the time the news reaches Tuktoyaktuk, Cher probably will be dead.:)

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Ok, OK I'll not bring my spare bucket and spade then :)

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hers hoping a donkey poops on that ass

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That wouldn't be fair!
You've given up smoking, I haven't. You'd outgun me!

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Breaking News: Rod Steward has been asked to sing at Margaret Thatchers funeral. "Wake Up Maggie might not be everyones favourite ;)

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Are you trying to tee up a Michael Jackson / Minors joke DP?

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They cant bury her yet because camerons A.T.O.S has just decalred her fit for work