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Well it never did you any harm can't understand why it had to change:D

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Think you've got that spot on Mr. D. there are always to ways at looking at things and how to tackle them, there would be no need for elections if everybody was like minded;)

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Oh I forgot, and wouldn't Accyweb be dull as well:D

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Speaking of oil in lamp DtheP, 1986 was a bit too late, The rot started more n 30 yrs before that wi the cotton industry, old looms etc, replaced by new in India n eastern places, also No health n safety, pay much less, fer obvious reasons, If re-investment had occured in the U.K. the decline of industry would have been much slower.

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Only a minor correction here, DIL=Daughter-In-Law, I think she would have a few sleepless (and lonely), nights at the thought of being my spouse!
:D

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And who manufactured these looms and sold them out to these far Eastern places?....I am sure you know as I do quite a few out-fitters from round here who made tidy little sums working out in these woe-begotten places showing Johnny foreigner how to operate em. ;)
Selling off the family silver some would say...others moi included would say the inexorable march of globalisation. ;)

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i think in germany it goes a little like this

"lie down helga i vill onzly do zis vonce " :D

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Oh yes because all this political nonsense is making thread reading really exciting :p

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maybe we should have a referendum on if we should have political debates in general chat

if you elect me i will vote on allowing this referendum to take place

honest i pwomise

i dont actually know what im standing for but vote for me anyway:)

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You can always change your mind when you get in :rolleyes::D

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Well lets be honest, they had to sell somewhere, if the stupid gits here would not invest in new stuff? But like all there ilk preferred to stuff the back pockets! what had these manufacturers to do,go bust as well?:rolleyes:

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politics affects every little thing you do in life,to catching the bus(every private bus firm is subsidized .so when here is cuts the bus fare goes up.the railways the prices go up even when the subsidies stay the same as they have to pay their shareholders .the price of food with vat etc.internet charges the tv everything is affected by politics. moving it away from general chat would be impossible.

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The shareholders are almost always pension firms. So for all of the big firms, everything from M&S through to bus companies, rail etc the majority owners are Standard life, Scottish widows, Aberdeen etc providing pensioners with pensions. It's not a bad thing that shareholders make a return because that's how people live in retirement.

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now that would be teh actions of a right arse :)

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instead of talking politics why dont we talk about religeon


that should calm things down :D:D

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Hallaypigginlooyah my son!

That will get restless telling us what a devout atheist he is.
:)

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2012 was a record year for British car production. We made more cars in Britain than ever before. Land Rover, Range Rover, Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin and Nissan all hitting production records exporting all over the world, particularly in Asia.

How many here want British Leyland back? And why? A business that was bad to begin with, finished not by Maggie but by union practices combining with a terrible product.

Sure all these companies are now owned overseas, but so what? The manufacturing and jobs are UK and as noted earlier UK pension funds are big investors in these companies. In car technology the UK, and specifically the Midlands today, leads the world (formula 1 type technology).

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I think of myself as kinda borderline agnostic/atheist :p

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Apart from political threads there's very little posting going on:p

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:confused::confused:Think that's happened somewhere before, can't for the life in me think where though:rolleyes:

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The easiest way would be to move you away from General Chat.:rolleyes:

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Only borderline Rob:D

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not quite true matey,when british leyland etc was made here the steel ,the ore was smelted in the uk the parts were made in the uk ,the seats were made and sown here,the tyres were made here .i would like to see the statistics counted by percentage of population as with population growth you are bound to see an increase.from 1997 to 2010 there was 7 million more cars on the roads.this was only possible because labour created wealth for more people not just the chosen few;)

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Ya and back in the 70s and early 80s all the foreign cars parked at the pit head every day. Why do you think we have virtually no car industry today, one out all out brothers, somebody has connected a wire they shouldn't have we cant have that. Companies left this country in droves back in those days, why should they put up with wildcat sticks, flying pickets, when they could get their product made a hell of a site cheaper and what's more without a threat from the likes of Red Robo, advising his members to go on strike at every opportunity.

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On the Spectrum Of Theistic Probability I would say 5.7/6 :D

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I could arrange that for a modest bribe.
Shall I set up a paypal account for your errrm, donations? ;)

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Thats not how I see it. Labour didn't create wealth for more people, they borrowed money to give to people. Thats not creating wealth. All they created was debt.

To create wealth you need to create industry and the jobs that go with it. Then people can work and earn wealth, not sit at home watching Sky TV all day paid for by the state using taxes taken from the workers.

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well its better giving it to the people than giving multi-millionaires tax breaks.they did create wealth by introducing the national minimum wage.the tories opposed it.

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jaysay who started the ball rolling for maggie to get elected?

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the op is getting as bad as me lol.he did say dead industry and then say 2012 was a record year. so its not a dead industry.

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Whilst its beyond dispute things had gone too far, I hear no mention from yeh,of The flying pickets that were turned back on the M6 n other motorways? People in fact that were ordinary builders going about work away from home, in fact costing one i know personally a great deal of money, through losing a big job.:eek: But obviously to Torys "The Ends justify the means":rolleyes: or yeh would be complaining also about stuff like this.:( By the way i missed out on these wildcat sticks? were they thing to beat em wi? pmsl

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i actually agree it went too far.some people were taking advantage but there was genuine reasons to strike for some people like the miners.i blame james callaghan[lucky jim] :D for not calling a election early in 1978 when he would have won.followed by the snp for calling a vote of no confidence.that encouraged thatcher to call for a no confidence vote. Callaghan lost by 1 vote:eek:

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luckily they had a number 1 hit and earned a little cash :D

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Stanley - you can't seriously be suggesting that British Leyland produced something that people wanted to buy are you?

Striking and high cost of product was certainly part of the problem but the death of the UK car industry was that we produced absolute crap (Princess, Maxi, Rover SD1, the list is long). Compared to Audi, BMW, or any Japanese brand we were a joke. That industry had to go.

With the unions gone and massive private investment (you might want to read that last sentence again....) what emerged in it's place is the same skilled labour force producing quality cars for foreign owners like the giant Nissan plant at Sunderland. The rest were taken over - Tata owns Landrover/Range Rover, VW bought Bentley, BMW took Rolls Royce or closed (British Leyland, MG, TVR). 80% of UK car production on behalf of the now foreign owners is exported from the UK.

By any measure (jobs, suppliers, inward investment, product quality) this is progress. BBC News - UK car exports hit record despite European market slump

Car producing capital of Europe no less Britain now producing MORE cars than Germany: How the UK has become the car production capital of Europe | Mail Online

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Strange isn't it, you started this thread claiming it was a debate, a debate that started with a link to someone else's opinions because you didn't put forward any of your own, (c'mon is famous for that kind of thing), now you no longer wish to debate you prefer to lecture, a lecture that no doubt would be fitting for any secondary school class but not for folk that lived through the times.
Yes BL was crap, but it was crap from the top down, inferior designs, materials and man management, huh, man management now that was a joke, yes there were plenty of strikes I've already said I'm against such action, yes there were some that would strike over nothing and yes there was a management system in place that seemed to go out of it's way to ensure that those strikes came about and continued.
It isn't just the Unions that have gone, it is the terrible Management that has also been removed, I think you will find that the system now in place works because everyone in these companies is now proud of their product and at last they all work together.
No longer is work disrupted by either side because there isn't an either side just a team working together with one aim, get the best product we can make through the door on time.
Something that never happened at BL or any of the other divided factories.
:)

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Appoint your own teller as well, plus back up, incase one gets over run in the rush:p :D

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You don't live in the real world, if "Lucky Jim" had won an election what a hell of a mess this country would have been, it would have ben unlucky for Britain, we were already the sick man of Europe, a laughing stock, and why they were baking the labour government cake even in those days, the recipe, first borrow two eggs. Labour have always mastered the art of borrowing, pity they never mastered the art of paying it back.;)

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Less - Its really not my issue that you don't like the way I support my arguments with either facts or stories found elsewhere. I think the links provide balance and additional information, which is far better than "I'm older and lived the times" followed swiftly thereafter with a degeneration into personal attacks. Just suggests to me that your argument is weak. And I was here throughout the 70's.

We are in complete agreement that the management of the car company were also terrible. I don't doubt that for a moment. I wouldn't though hark back to those times as though they were the good old days, because like the product, they weren't good.

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We do still have some private mines, in fact one was shown on TV the other month. As for taking advantage; it depends on the demand as there are different types/grades of coal, some of which are only suitable for furnaces and some suitable for domestic fires.

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The thing is G. that people stopped buying British, because it became unreliable and very dear to boot, and lets not forget even the British stopped buying British, take a look around any home today, from the computer you use, to your TV, Washing Machine, Microwave, Toaster, Fridge, Freezer and how many drive a British car, I would imagine a lot less that 50%

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I'm not hundred percent sure but I think Anthracite is the only coal allowed for domestic fuel

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You didn't support an argument of yours with your own opinion, you fell into the same trap as c'mon does, why bother to give an opinion when a link will do?
Additional information is welcome of course, but what would the site end up like if we all did what you and c'mon do?
There would be no original thought from the members just another site that steals it's ideas from the internet.

AccyWeb isn't here for that.

Now you agree that Management were equally to blame but you tended to ignore this in your bash the union posts.
I like to think that throughout I have answered with my own opinions not someone else's and said all along that there were some very bad workers all through the full spectrum of these Companies though my bias is towards the good of all not just a few.

Good old days? For some of us they were absolute hell!

Unfortunately because of the Tory/dem alliance I can see those days returning.

I hope your businesses aren't effected by any of this but think you will be very lucky if they aren't.

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You mention computers?
lets look at the history of home grown computers?
The spectrum built by a guy that only wanted to build a tricycle powered by batteries and peddles.
The Amstrad A sugary little item that was rotten just like a set of neglected teeth from eating too many toffees I believe over 50% of them never worked properly when set up by their purchasers.
The Acorn that superduper cutting edge machine that was going to be the BBC's computer of choice. when the BBC executives went to see it the designers had only got their prototype working seconds before they arrived in the room. (A large proportion of whom had left Mr. Sinclair to his car, but that didn't stop him and the boss of Acorn having a girly fight in a Cambridge pub).

Our home grown computers were trash be honest.
:D

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Less they do call me Honest John:idunno: :D

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Well lets look at the competition then, Commodore VIC 20 not as good as the PET, although the C64 was quite good.
Tandy TRS-80......
Atari's offerings.........
I think most computers at the time were rather bad, to be fair.

The thing is Sir Clive and Chris Curry (Acorn) were rather clever chaps,
Between them they paved the way forward, okay the major players are foreign, Apple, Dell, Sony etc, but without the pioneers we would live in a very different world.

On a side note, do any of our members have a mobile phone? If so inside that is a Micro chip that was developed by Chris Curry back in the 80's just for the BBC Micro. Its Name ARM, the company made £160 Million last year and they are British.

Sir Clive Sinclair, well there's a true genius and eccentric, but to be honest he saw the future, electric cars, albeit the C5 was not his finest moment, but he had vision, something lacking in most of us these days.
Speaking of the C5, didn't Segway copy the idea?????

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I was window shopping with my daughter. In a large store we came upon a group of shoppers looking at a display of wood burning stoves. It seemed I was the only one old enough to know about grates, flues and dampers and I found myself giving a demo to quite a large crowd.

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Haha how true. I would have liked a computer for my small company accounts which had got too large for a one man band and before purchasing one enrolled in an evening class in 1982. All the students thought we'd would be taught how to operate a computer, but we soon learnt that 'cheap' computers needed to be programmed "if" .... I decided to wait until the market provided something for small commercial companies - I've still got my Pascal notes.

A year later an entrepreneur put his programmed computer onto the market priced at £1,700 (hm can't recall the name; "Black Commander" or "Knight Commander"). I think we sent back two floppy disks which had been distorted in the post before I could input all my accounts. I kicked the machine into touch when it deleted all records of suppliers/customers when accounts had been paid but the binary code did come in handy for our R&D chap. UK Computer suppliers didn't cater for small companies the price of modules at £22K to £28 each module was too costly when you needed about five. Plus you had to pay an annual sum for a "key code" which would allow you to use your computer for another year. I heard horrendous stories of programmers who left the employ of their computer company and didn't leave "key/code" records for their replacements to use.

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Could you see the Ipodpadphone generation of today laying a fire every morning and tending to it all day?
Unless it has an on/off button they ain't interested ;)

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And oh how we oohed and aahed when they hummed into life, our tentative stabs at the keyboard to have a few pixels say "Happy Christmas" on the monitor and the banshee screech of the C30 cassette as we loaded up Jet Set Willie or Manic Miner.

Without that trash where would we be now Less.....
Summat about little acorns and small beginnings **
With a bit of help from Tim Berners Lee look what we can do with these little black plastic boxes now.
"Hell some peeps can even hold a decent dialogue and exchange of ideas" *chuckle*

**Where have I heard that b4 ?

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It's not only in the land of Uk that garbage automobiles are produced by a sick company ... look at Chrysler; that company has been on the ropes more times than Don Cockle in a title fight.;) Now they make damn fine vehicles. And how are the nips doing?

6 automakers part of massive recall of 3.4 million airbags - Montreal - CBC News

And this is only the latest in a run of recalls.

Feel like flying?

Boeing 737 review ordered by FAA for faulty tail part - Business - CBC News

Faulty and substandard products can come from anywhere.

As long any company has management interested in good labor relations, and a work force which feels as if it has a stake in success by getting a fair share of that success, that company will profitably produce good products. And there are roles for government, management, and labor. Remember the bailout of Chrysler and GM. Billions from government ... that includes money from my taxes as Canada and Ontario forked over a whole bunch of cash ... billions in concessions from the UAW and the CAW, and management that worked their butts off to make good automobiles at a reasonable price.

Many companies that are written off as dead are merely sick. Many can be cured. It takes effort and creativity. By the way, last year I rode one of the new Triumphs .... fantastic bike. Gone are the quirky Amal carbs and the Lucas "Prince of Darkness" electrics.

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Mid 80's a subsidiary of Lucas very large factory and car park, had a policy that anyone turning up to do business with them driving a foreign car could not park in the factory grounds.

One of the Japanese car Companies was in negotiation for supplies of parts for a large contract.

They naturally turned up in their own motor vehicles, with no uncertain words the guy on the gate told them where they could go with their foreign imports, they did, straight back to their own plant to find someone they could actually work with.
:)

The Japanese plant is still going the large factory is now closed!

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The good old jobsworth on the gate Less:D

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Anybody remember the Spectrum computer, I use the word computer in very lose terms, the programs came on a tape and you had to load it through a portable tape player, those were the days:rolleyes:

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He vas only carrying out orders!
:D

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Ya and ir was more than his jobsworth to disobey :D

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but remember them days the majority of people couldnt afford bmws audis .if you go to the dealership holdings giant car parks they are full to capacity with thousands of cars.if the car companies were that well off they wouldnt have asked for state assistance ie ford fiat etc.

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If you are talking Ford in the US, it might be worth noting that they were the only one of the Big Three that didn't ask for a govt. bailout.

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How the hell can you remember them days, you can't remember to give answers to questions you were asked on here yesterday, never mind them days being over 30 years ago;)

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Yep used to have a zx spectrum and used to get magazines to make your own programmes. Beep 1 comma 2

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My first computer ! <3

I have a friend that has kept all his computer stuff cluttering his house. He says when he gets chance to bundle it, I can have his spectrum stuff.... waiting :D

Still play spectrum games once in a while on xbox1... emulators :D

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Only assembled in the UK Dr E..parts sourced from all over...cost of aquisition again ;)

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My first computer - Sord M5 - What a complete pile of dog doo, and a vectrex console. Loved the Vectrex.

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they only got 5.9 billion dollars in low interest loans from the us goverment in 2009 which kinda resembles a bail out.

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American car companies took over where British Leyland left off. US car industry is though rather unique. In the pre-war period there were three principal manufacturers of cars: USA, Japan and Germany. Two of those were carpet bombed or nuked taking competition out of he market altogether. Free of competition and stoked by demand at home ridiculous creations with large fins came out of Detroit and that city became the 4th largest in the USA.

USA didn't need to create good cars to sell them, and that legacy is kept alive by govt today. Daimler Benz thought they could take on the problem, solve the issues in production and sort out quality and it nearly bankrupted them. Expensive and rare mistake for the Germans.

USA govt bailed the American car industry because the political price of not doing so was too great. Remember they do all have guns and as was demonstrated by Katrina it took only 24 hrs for the complete degeneration of society in a crisis. Detroit was already a car crash so closing this terrible industry was not a realistic option for Bush although he must have hated having to bail them out (went against everything he stood for).

Point made about Triumph bikes was an interesting one but its not the same company. Triumph went to the wall for making a bad product that no one bought. The name was then bought about 20 years later and newco started producing bikes unrelated to the old (but was able to ride on nostalgia, that many people have for the past with new and unrelated product).

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I'm aware of this ... but Triumph is a British enterprise. An intelligent one too. Cashing in on an iconic brand. And it's still a damned fine bike. And do try to be less condescending. Most folks on here know shlt from shinola.:rolleyes:

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Yet they still vote Labour:D

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After the Spectrum I had an Amstrad Word Processer, realised just what a waste of money that was very quickly.

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Indeed, not only did it have one of these QWERTY keyboard thingys, back then we had to have a rough idea about being able to spell the words, an almost impossible task for some.
:o

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No Less it had its own spellcheck that's why I bought it:p:p:p

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I think it was Mark Twain, Jay who said " I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way" ;)


You will like this ;):

An anecdote from the US about one Nyrum Reynolds dated 1855 August 31:

Several years ago, “when the country was new,” Hon. Nyrum Reynolds, of Wyoming Co., enjoyed quite a reputation as a successful pettifogger. He wasn’t very well posted up either in “book larnin’” or the learning of the law; but relied principally upon his own native tact and shrewdness–his stock of which has not failed him to this day. His great success created quite an active demand for his services.
On one occasion he was pitted against a “smart appearing” well-dressed limb of the law from a neighboring village, who made considerable sport of a paper which Reynolds had submitted to the Court, remarking among other things, that “all the law papers were required to be written in the English language, and that the one under consideration, from its bad spelling and penmanship, ought in fairness therefore to be excluded.”
“Gen’l'men of the Jury,” said Reynolds, when he “summed up”—and every word weighed a pound—”the learned counsel on the other side finds fault with my ritin’ and spellin’ as though the merits of this case depended upon sich matters! I’m again lugging in any sich outside affairs, but I will say, that a man must be a d—d fool, who can’t spell a word more than one way.” The Jury sympathized with Judge R. and rendered a decision in favor of his client.—[Olean Journal.

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Do They?

I've noticed on quite a few threads that the people that seem to have shall we say, Socialist tendencies, have stated that come the next General election they won't be voting for the new Conservatives because they do not represent their views. Indeed many have said that if a Ukip representative is standing they would rather put forward a protest vote than be let down once more.
:)

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Interesting you make reference to a now defunct brand of shoe polish that was only available across there in the colonies. Condescending eh?
Over here most people don't know shinola from anything at all as they have never heard of it.

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How very true, when I spell a word wrong or right I know what it needs, if Less don't he can sod off:D:D

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Once more, :eek:they've always been let down:rolleyes:

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Shall we have a condescending vote on it?
Hands up all those that aren't ignorant about shinola?
Well, So far it seems there is DtheP47 and myself, but we'll give it a few more minutes, perhaps accywebbers would agree that they aren't, "thick as two short planks, but it turns out they're not as green as you're cabbage looking".:D
http://cliparts101.com/files/905/5D8...ng_Cabbage.png

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What amuses me even more is the fact that everyone who comes on this site makes mistakes even you Mr. D. even Less and MargaretR, you see when you use a spellcheck on a quoted post, it shows up spelling mistakes in that post too. Some peoples English is atrocious, since when as teh been a word and its used more than anything on here, by may I add numerous people. But there is one thing, at least I do make the effort to try and make, what I post on here readable, unlike some, especially somebody from over the boarder, in that case I've 9 year old grandson who be able to teach him more than a thing or two in 3 different languages;)

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Definitely heard of it, very old saying that one. :p:p

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Oh come on Less the Knack even made a song about it, I think:confused:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1T71PGd-J0

:D:D:D

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You're point being that you also have heard of the term therefore it's not as Foreign a phrase as to allow another member to so condescendingly accuse Eric of being condescending?
:D

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Heard the phrase OK Alan;) but did you know what Shinola was?

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Back in the day on my old steam powered Amstrad Word Processor I very quickly realised that a spell-checker was truly wonderful if indeed peeps knew what some of the alternative words or variations meant. Never troubled me I hasten to add, condescendingly ;)

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Are we keeping a dead industry alive Less debating the merits and values of good spellin' sic

;)

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Yup, known for years. I have no doubt if i was to ask any of my friends and family they to would know as well.

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Fair enough Alan :)

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Appropriate that it is listed on the dead industry thread though. Another one for the long list.

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Indeed, just as the demise of home grown computers can't be considered a thread wander.
We worked through all our own weird and wonderful systems their versions of basic programming and our persistence has been rewarded by being confused by windows 8.
:D

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Yeh mean like you were when they didn't select Mr Blobby?:D

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Probably just a bad habit they got into when they were young;):D

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Not like you to be condescending Mr. D.:rolleyes:

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That wasn't a let down that was utter stupidity, which ensured we now have Jones swimming around in his own little world, sucking up to Mr. Ed :D

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Nah, he didn't need help from your man, he proved himself capable of lying his way into that position all on his own.

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Well I have to admit he is good at it, lying that is;)

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Having scanned through all 190 odd posts there was a mention some time back that seems to have been glossed over.

Whilst it may not have been by design the fact that we stopped mining so many years ago means we have "accidentally" preserved our stock of coal whilst others were prepared to sell their resources so cheaply. As these countries run out we have the option of restarting our mining industry and utilising our own resources and thus not being held to ransom by the few countries still producing today. this buffer could be key to seeing us through whilst alternative methods are put in place. ( Nuclear, wind/wave/whatever).

I personally think Shale gas is going to be a controversial option, whilst I don't see us having San Fran style earthquakes and fire and brimstone being ejected high above morecambe bay our housing/buildings were not built with shakes in mind so are probably not very resilient to them.

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Agreed Ent. I cannot see why any country would take a natural resource out of the ground at a loss. To me that is throwing away my kids resources, worse in fact it was wasting taxpayer money to throw away those resources.

Buy foreign resources while they are cheaper than ours so we might actually get some value out of our own when they are scarce. Coal takes thousands of years to form and, like oil, it is not in endless supply. We have masses of the stuff so get to it when it's £100 a ton or more.

Similar thing happened to oil. I recall not so long ago when it was $13 a barrel and only the Saudis could get to it and sell it above cost. Now the world only about 40 years of oil left the price is going to go one way and it ain't down!

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I also agree. This happened with the Cornish tin mines; they closed down due to difficult mining conditions including water problems and then decades later when world conditions prevailed and mining technology advanced they re-opened. I read not too long ago that one mine was estimated to be worth over £1billion and would be opening again.

I also have a vague recollection of reading one old Cornish tin mine had deposits of a mineral required for modern ipads - if that's true the workers should be laughing all the way to the bank.

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its only attracted £15 million but needs £75 million to be operational.i think somebodies been telling porkies to attract money. Wouldnt be the first time this has happened in the telegraph lol

Re: Keeping Dead Industries Alive....
 

What as :confused:

Re: Keeping Dead Industries Alive....
 

Is this what cmon is on about???

Scottish Coal, which operated six open cast mines in East Ayrshire, South Lanarkshire and Fife, has been put into liquidation.

Falling coal prices and rising operational costs have been blamed for causing losses and "significant cash flow pressures".

Announcing a total of 590 redundancies, KPMG said that despite significant efforts in recent months, Scottish Coal had been unable to secure the level of investment required to enable the business to continue.

Re: Keeping Dead Industries Alive....
 

Well C'mon would hardly know about this unless it was banner headlines in the Guardian Mr. D. ;)

Re: Keeping Dead Industries Alive....
 

i was talking about the Cornish tin mines .