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Time to debate dead industries, lets start with Coal...

It's himself, Phelan: Myths and the miners strike

Now I know there are many here with Rose tinted glasses, not to mention a few miners. I'm interested to hear the counter arguments as to how the above is factually wrong, and in particular why this industry should have been kept alive at the taxpayers gigantic expense?

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Wow..only took you 4 days to find a three year old conservative critique of the miners strike

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coal will come back if Germany's anything to go by.

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When anyone tells me its time to do this, or what to start wi, they can get stuffed, it don't work wi me, ask a question yeh got a chance, tell me, yeh got no chance.

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we fund other countries things like education,their people and lots more at the tax payers expense so why not one of our own industries ?

just saying like lol

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Wouldn't count on it, the reason Germany is looking at coal is because they've shut down the nuclear plants already & all the crap about wind, solar etc by 2020 can't cover the shortfall in energy so the only realistic option is fossil fuels.

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If it really is time to debate why didn't you start this so called debate with your own opinions rather than drag up some link hoping that it will do the work you cannot be bothered to place on site yourself.
I think that investing in the pits during the seventies and eighties when we had monies coming in from gas and oil would have now given us a cheaper productivity and far more efficient mining industry which would have by now saved a fortune that is being wasted on imports.
It is only my opinion, I have no figures to back it up because we no longer have a coal industry so this conversation is perhaps mute and just placed on site by the thread starter in an attempt to make himself appear smart or else as an attempt to stir things further between the pro and anti Maggie factions.
Perhaps next time you attempt to start a debate you will make it one that is worthwhile, such as if we have three beans and meet a young man walking to market could we as true Tories fool this simpleton into exchanging his mothers best milking cow for them and how much tax on the said beast will we need to avoid paying before we can call the deal profitable?:D

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well we import millions of tons of coal every year ,so whatever companies that are buying them are letting millions of pounds leave the country minus tax collected from miners wages so it is costing more importing coal.i see at least ten cargo ships a week full of coal being emptied at Hunterston,the deepest inshore port in britain. The coal is piled up in huge heaps just now as a coal ship from south america has landed.i see a coal train leave there every hour.

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actually its every week we import millions of tons of coal.

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This would seem to put a whole new spin on the phrase "dead industries".:rolleyes:

I'm not an expert on this, but I would suspect that new technologies have made coal burning a whole bunch cleaner. And when you think of events like Chernobyl, coal is a helluva lot safer.

Also, one can't consider the coal industry in isolation, one has to lood at the vital communities it supported.

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I agree ... but I wouldn't have wasted so many words on what is obviously blinkered tory BS.

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Never knew it was time for a debate.... OH well one too many drinkies for that

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I had puke on my glasses once, it was red because I had been drinking and I had a tikka masala curry... (see previous post) does that count?

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I'm headin' that way too ... but it's only 8:00 pm here; so, you probably have a head start on me.:D Guess I got some catching up to do.:thepint::thepint::thepint::thepint:

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much! :)

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I'm a workin' on it ... Not 'cause I enjoy it .... just don't wanna see brewing and distilling becoming "dead industries":D Must be getting there ... I'm watching WWE Friday Night Smackdown:eek:

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Hell- Im I wrestling fan and Im not watching that!

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I'm aware that to an extent this forum is a branch of the Lenin supporters club, I'm just curious who here is prepared to debate, and who wont.

Less - Pro and anti Maggie factions? So far as I can see it was just me and one other guy who were pro, so that's not much of a faction. You are correct that it's not yet a debate, but only because debate is a new concept here. I get that people use the forum more as a collective place to mourn the loss of mother Russia, anything else not being welcome.

Guiness - it's not a conservative critique, it's a factual one. I'm all ears as to how it's misguided, factually wrong or misleading. Failing that tell me you think it's right that the govt should pay $1.2m a day for the privilege of keeping people down mines. To do any of that though you'd have to read my post.....therein lies the problem.

Cashman - Good luck :enough:

Cmonstanley - yes we do import a lot of coal, as we are net importers of energy but overseas coal was cheap and always has been. As is the case with so many industries we could not compete on labour costs, and coal imported and shipped from South America was 15 pounds a ton cheaper bought and landed to a dock than mined.

Eric - coal pollution technology has improved a lot, but it remains the most polluting of all fuels. Coal emits almost a third more carbon dioxide per unit of energy than oil, and 70% more than natural gas BBC News - Coal resurgence calls undermine clean energy commitments The real problem with this is that China is solely powered by Coal and a new (non-clean tech) coal power station comes on line each week. Any efforts the west makes to stay clean (Carbon Tax etc) are well intended but pointless.

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heavy s**t for 2am on a fri night/sat morn.... .geeeeeese

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It's soap opera for men ... I guess that we're all supposed to be Lenin supporters ... Lenin isn't wrestling tonite, just the Big Show and Randy Orton.:theband: Wrasslin' migh be fake, but no more fake than throwing out a bs argument and expecting folks to take it seriously.;) Hell ... it's a handicap match: Sheamus and the Viper against the Big Show. Much more fun than trying to think about coal mining as a dead industry ... I'll think more about that in summer when we get the smog from the coal-fired generating plants in Ohio:rolleyes:

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By the way, am I the only one who resents being stereotyped by a right-wing ideologue who can reduce the destruction of a way of life for tens of thousands, into a question of the dollar value of a ton of coal?

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By the by, heard on the CBC news tonite that the coal mining industry in BC is expanding so quickly that they are hiring miners from China to keep up with the demand for experienced workers.

The coal mining industry in the UK didn't die naturally. Thatcher killed it.

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Thatcher Came to power promising to bring harmony where there was discord. In the mining communities up and down the country,she bought the opposit. She believed we were no longer any use to the nation because we insisted on running safe coal mines in this country. One of the great disgraces of this country today is we import over 50 million tonnes of coal a year from countries where men are killed, literally in the thousands, and we closed our industry that was the safest, the most technlogically advanced in the world. Thatchers lack of empathy, her intrangsigence, her failure to see the other side, her refusal to even look at the other side, has left people bitter and resentful, and hitting out in a way that is uncharacteristic of the miners in our community. Her accusation that the "enemy within" was in the mining areas of this country, still rankles people. I wasnt the "Enemy Within" All we ever wanted was the right to work. We didnt just want it for ourselves; we wanted it for our kids and that was taken away. Coal was cheap and always was cheap from overseas. Cheap in terms of What price do you put on a human being. We had the safest coal mines anywhere in the world. What else do you expect in this country of mine. Did you want an industry where the pit boss decides at the start of the shift how many men shall we kill today, and by the way WHO will be killed. I think by now most of you guys know that I spent 31 years in the coal mines. Started as a boy and ended my career as a mine manager. I have met many people like you GEaston in my time. I would have loved having you down Bankhall Colliery in 1962. You with your stuck up better than thou attitude is why we had to change the Mines. You Mister would have been sent Up Duke Bar.

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The problem is that consumers in general want cheap, Primark anyone?
In the 70's BL plants and for that matter Ford and Vauxhall had car parks full of Japanese cars, if the workers on the production lines cannot be bothered to buy the stuff the make, why should anyone else.
It maybe tat successive governments have lots to blame, but the gold old general public must shoulder their part

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Oh I read it, and stand by my claim that its a tory critique, I'm not a leninist, communist or maoist. I'm a socialist which unfortunately means I have no political party representing me since Blair pretty much turned the Labour Party into a left wing Conservative Party...but back on thread...

Look at the figures quoted in your link...

£44 a ton if we mine it
£32 a ton if we buy it

That £32 has left the country, it is no longer ours, its gone, forever.....some of the £44 however is spent in our shops, on our shores and stays in the country boosting our economy, it also employs people, allows them to put a roof over their heads and put food on their tables.

In order to destroy the mines, divide and annihilate whole communities the taxpayer had to stump up £2.5 billion, which according to my maths means that the country could have continued subsidising these mines for another 7 years or so. There was a technological revolution occuring at the time, my guess is that some of that technology would have been used in mining in order to reduce production costs.

As Mog posted, another reason it cost £44 for us to mine was down to our mines being the safest in the world, an extra £12 per ton for ensuring human lives are saved don't seem all that much to pay from my taxes.

Not even going to add the cost to the taxpayer of unemployment benefit for those who lost jobs when the industry was dismantled

The human and financial cost of the destruction of this industry is far greater than the financial cost of retaining it.

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So far as you can see? Should have gone to specsavers.

It wasn't even the start of a debate, to start a debate you have to put forward your own point of view not someone else's.

What a narrow point of view you have, the forum is full of communists just because you don't agree with others having the same rights to 'debate' as you?
How do you define debate? Does it go somewhere along the lines of listen to me, I'm going to tell you something and no matter what I say you had better believe me without question.
The forum isn't perfect it never will be, but that's because it's members are diverse and put forward diverse points of view, even your two penneth is welcome.
:)

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i think he is on the wind up:) im popping past hunterston next week ill take a photo.we are importing from south america and greece as there is 2 coal ships anchored off the coast at the moment and they are huge.

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You lost the agreement in the first jumble of words, you don't write sentences. We can import coal a hell of a sight cheaper than bring it out of the ground here, end of chat.

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Just going to do a google on you here:-

Did You mean
:p

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We can also look after sick people in hospital a damn sight cheaper if we top and tail them two to a bed instead of having one bed each.....doesn't make it the right thing to do

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If we look around the world, we see Countries with less coal reserves than we have, it is worthwhile for them to have a mining industry.
Why are we the only Country that isn't taking advantage of our own natural resources?
:confused:

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Probably cos of money people like Easton?

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Ya thanks Less, :D

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them ships must be cheap,the fuel they use must be cheap,the paper work from the goverment must be cheap,the import duties must be cheap,the docking fees must be cheap,the trains must be cheap.yes jaysay dont let the facts get in the way of the truth.go into energy imports and exports parliament and you find the truth .we used to be a major exporter bring money into the country.

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How dare you besmirch the good name of Hyndburns off-shore benefactor,

shame on you!

:rolleyes:

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I really don't want to drag the blue box all across your link. right click the mouse and click go to.... Too much effort for a hungover Saturday morning....then again, writing all that I guess I could have just done that. Oh well...

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Nor does it buy coal at a cost we can't afford just to placate the likes of Scargill, who's still milking NUM for every last penny he can squeeze out of them, and using sick people shows just how sick the likes of you will stoop to score points, but that's nothing new I've been dealing with your ilk all my life, a waste of space

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Now, that's not like you, for some reason your link isn't working, perhaps you need more practice?
:)

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Ok. Contradictory to what I said above. I did look at the link.

1) www 1 . search-results.com tells me a little about how you use your computer
2) When I do a search online - Do I expect everything listed there to be the truth?

example - https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&scli...w=1369&bih=767

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Is it me, your link just gives me a blank page R.:confused:

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Nope it isn't Conservative, it is working.

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Conservatism is the only thing that's ever worked in this country, socialism certainly never as.:p

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Yep it works. The subject matter however....

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Thats it? Thats your argument?....I'm a sick, waste of space ilk because I highlighted a flaw in your statement using an allegory.

Unbelievable :confused::confused:

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Chernobyl, Fukushima and a bit closer to you Dr Eric Six Mile Island always get trotted out when the safety record of the Nuclear Industry comes into question. Old technologies ;)

I am looking across at Angelsey as I tripe this, there has been a Nuclear Power station on the island for years with an exemplary safety record and people down here are happy with it. There's currently an expansion project for WylfaB which is slated to bring 900 high quality jobs to the area. What's not to like in that goal to support vital communities as you put it?

And let's compare apples for apples globally please the UK coal industry was in terminal decline before Scargill decided to take on the government of the day. It was being overtaken by foreign competition back then. I am repeating myself but study the cost of acquisition when making comparisons please.

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I have no wish to debate anything wi n arrogant piece of work like you. Now yeh have told us what yer aware of.:rolleyes: Also as far as yeh can see is completely crap, There are quite a few torys on this forum, but they aint all like you.:rolleyes: also i don't need good luck from anyone like you.

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So you must use a socialist spell checker, shame on you.;)

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thats why the country is broke, conservatism:D

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Shame on you Cashy, he is allowed his opinion just as you are allowed yours.

So long as it is his opinion and not just a link,
If he wants a debate all he has to do is post and be prepared to defend what he says just like the rest of us.
To put forward the idea we are a load of commies because we don't agree only weakens his argument.
By the way Mr. G. Easton. Just to further your knowledge, my DIL is Russian, she is also (naturally) female, put an unused credit card into her hand, point her towards an open department store and by God, she'll show you what capitalism is all about.
So don't brand us all as the evil left.
:D

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Are you saying there's another sort?

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Not in the slightest, just because our views don't merge does not mean either of us is evil, but there is evil at both ends of the spectrum willing to use those that can't think for themselves.
Jay don't worry I'm not getting at you and will always do my best to see no harm comes to you.
:D

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you must have had it bad if it was shooting out your eyes :D

thank the lord you didnt have the shats....

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Wow, Less, I'd hate to be around when you are getting at him- his blue dust would be everywhere.

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If only he could be stopped from shooting himself in the foot;)

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I defend the right of any man to shoot himself in the foot.Anyway it's not a problem- he has two!

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Let me have a crack at this. "You lost the argument in the first jumble of words. You don't write sentences. We can import coal a hell of a sight cheaper than we can bring it out of the ground here. End of chat." There. It's starting to resemble English. Now if only it made sense.:rolleyes:

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... and he can fit both of them in his mouth;)

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All that fuss for two full stops and two capital letters?

Come on, even the evil left should be able to follow his drift.

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At this point you'd usually say "Left", but we are talking about Jaysay & "He's got two right feet" just doesn't cut it somehow. :idunno:

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You've and your ilk have always been unbelievable

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Tick tock the clock is ticking

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That proves you know nothing about the economy, the country is always broke when Labour have had their fingers in the till, there's no money left we've spent it all was their parting shot last time they left.

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And concentrate on you shooting yourself in the mouth:rolleyes:

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Unlike the one legged socialist arm, Left, Left, Left Left left ;)

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What branch of socialism would the attack dogs on here have replace the government of they day, I wonder?
The one based on social ownership and the cooperative management of society? As if ;)

Or the branch of socialism Mr Blair took from Thatcher? Imperious style of leadership, not to mention his embrace of free market economics. Oh yes !

Marxism maybe? Yeah a roaring success in Russia..and the jury's out on China

Blue dust in your veins matey better that than Hag Fish slime over your eyes ;)

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Hang on, that infers they're working (or shoplifting), the perception of Labour is the welfare state & benefits culture, so that rules out having a job thereby negating the chance to dip the till. :)

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Hang on DtP47, you forgot our "Dear N.Korea", most inspiring at the moment, just sharing the love ! :rolleyes:

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The techie guys from Creech AFB sent me this surveillance footage ;)
Listen for the gunshot :)

White Tail Deer Muskoka Huntsville Ontario Canada December 26 2010 - YouTube

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Gotta leave a blank for somebody to fill D ;) Keeps em' from pressing their buzzer for their carers :D
You are just too quick on the draw ;)

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I lied there's no gunshot the sound is me peeing myself at some of the posts on here ;)
Nurse pass me the bedpan :D

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That must be Eric :rolleyes:

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As the oracle said: "Ibis redibis nunquam per bella peribis" or, for those of you who didn't have Latin beaten into you at Accy Grammar, "You will go you will return never in war will you perish." All it needs is a couple of commas ... the oracle didn't supply them. Depending on where you put the commas ... well, you can figure it out.;)

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Are you blind to everything else on this site?

You want me and Jay to appear mortal enemies?

You ignore other conversations we have together agreeing and occasionally defending?

Of course I get at him, he attempts sometimes to get at me and IF we ignore the spelling sometimes he comes close.

The big but is....

Despite being ignorant of anything that isn't Tory, he is a friend, I have no problem with anyone's politics if they don't harm me and mine, Mags and hers did more harm than was needed to a large proportion of Our Country.

Now go forth spread your word but please don't consider me to be anything other than what I am.

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Not me, buds ... I would have been blasting holes in the stop sign ... it's the stubble jumper in me.:D

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Actually the Latin mistress(was it Florry, prominent front teeth?) had a soft spot for me so I never got beaten!

Result- the day of my last Latin lesson was the day I forgot the lot.

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Shouldn't that be what I is Less:D

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"Flossy" Fergusson, maybe? She was a sweetheart:D

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Nope I passed my 11+ first time around, no need to be corrected I am part of the elite!

(Well I was until she who makes all dismayed appeared on the scene).
:(

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So we should have kept the subsidised mines alive so they could produce coal which was still more expensive than we could buy abroad?

Well let's be fair and even handed then.

We should have kept all those shipyards open even though no-body was buying our ships, Korea Japan etc. were cheaper.
BL- we should have kept it alive, there were plenty of fields left to put the cars on which they couldn't sell(even to BL workers).
TV's,washing machines, fridges, clothes( even M&S clothes), shoes- we should have subsidised ALL these factories to keep ALL the workers in work? Even though the goods they produced were more expensive than we could buy from abroad?

Only one problem- 2+2=5 doesn't work. You run out of money. You can't have subsidised industries employing subsidised workers to produce subsidised goods which they can't afford to buy because their taxes rise to pay the subsidies to themselves and everyone else.

As the goods are more expensive than foreign stuff you can't export it. You're out of business!

We should have replaced our old industries which couldn't compete with modern hi-tech industry which the rising economies couldn't beat.
We didn't, we relied on banking, North Sea oil and gas to keep us afloat. It worked but only for a little while.

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Big Jim taught me Latin

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Old arguments with just as equally old rhetoric coming your way,

We have either in this thread or the Maggie one agreed that labour (you know labour? People working), and management were crap to each other during that time, but come on, to waste a whole industry?
The actions of a megalomaniac!

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I remember him ... I think he also taught Greek to the sixth. Seemed like a harmless enough sort.

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Big Gentle Giant

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Tick tock, tick to...........................whoops the springs broken.

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It will always be a matter for argument Less, how much would have happened with any prime minister, and how much was down to Margaret? :(

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That describes him to a "t" ... I remember Ben teaching German. We started each class with a little sing along ... always the same song. One that reflected how he saw his function as HEADMASTER.


Horst Wessel Lied - YouTube

Enough wandering ... time to go and buy cat food .... the little b's are eating me out of mouse and home.;)

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Some figures here augmenting my suggestion that the mining industry was in terminal decline and even more jobs were lost before Thatcher came to power.
Around a million jobs vanished between 1920 and 1980.
More than 300,000 coal mining jobs disappeared during the period between the 1960's and 70's.
Margaret T was the coal industries most visible foe but not the one who lost it the most jobs.

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''Flossy'', that was it. She was a lovely lady.
I disliked German that much I don't even remember who taught me it. I could never imagine a boy and girl having a romantic conversation in German but I suppose they must have done or there wouldn't be any Germans.
''Froggy'', was it, the little German/Austrian who taught us French with a German accent?
Didn't he have to get out of Germany before WW2? I always felt sorry for him, a sad little man.

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Eh up old big heads back:eek:And the tax payer of course means him because he has paid considerably more tax than anyone else here,(apparently):rolleyes:

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Remarkably prescient of him though ;)

Sorry to interrupt this love in for the GSOB's ;)

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You didn't, did you?

Thread wander, OK let's get back to the serious, boring stuff.

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[QUOTE=Gordon Booth;1053033]You didn't, did you?

QUOTE]
In reality didn't and wasn't Mr B ;)

Boring... here's a boring comparitor....
In 1981 3.7 million households lacked or had to share either an inside toilet or bath, By 1991 less than 300,000 did.
Make of that what you will.

Plenty of places store all that coal if it was still available? ;)
That's without having to take into consideration all the coyle oils that have been converted into pit-bull terriers kennels as per up Woodnook ;)

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100% agree with those figures, as technology advances the need for human interaction reduces, one guy with a power drill will make a hole a darn sight faster than a few guys with picks..nobody is disputing the need for streamlining the workforce..I'm disputing the need to dismantle a whole industry based on unsound short term economic reasons and a bar brawl between a barmy politician and a barmy union leader

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We spend all this time discussing, arguing, falling out about the past.
It's past, we can't change it. Our old industries are dead.
Wouldn't we be better discussing, arguing and falling out about the way foreward? It would still be pointless, those in power will never listen but-

Start fracking as much and as quickly as possible with contracts which say all gas produced is for sale in the UK only at prices agreed by the Government- no price agree, no contract. A side benefit- jobs for Lancashire.
Tell the power companies if they don't build nuclear power stations PDQ we'll put a surtax on them and build our own.If they put prices up above world prices to cover the surtax we'll hit them again.
We still have some good science and technology companies- give them tax benefits and grants and push them foreward hard.Encourage others to come here.
Do the same with the medical companies.
Put money into the industries the Chinese and other cheap labour countries can't match.
We own the banks- start acting like it! Bonuses are paid on results, after results, not just because you're there.In shares! If you mess up in the future your share bonus won't be worth as much. If you don't like it- go,there are plenty of young bloods to replace you and they couldn't do worse.

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I agree we should have become Hi-Tec, But why did we not? Probably cos the greedy barstewards yeh blindly support, pocketed the profits not re-invested, also probably when that penny dropped twas too late.:rolleyes:

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Leave the forum for a day and come back to 7 pages of discussion, nice.

Mog – interesting post, and I respect your opinion. I don’t fit so well into your stereotype though. I’m sure it would suit people if I came from Kensington, but I do not. Born in Ashinton, both grandparents were also lifelong miners, lives cut short by coal related lung issues. So much for safety. I would have made the worlds worst miner because I’m 6ft 10.

One good thing about our not mining coal today is that we still have it. One day it may be worth digging up (just as Shale mining became viable due to the high oil price), so one day will coal, and we’ll have it. Imagine that – leaving something other than debts to future generations…..

Cashman – I know you wont enter the debate, true of any debate though, right?

Less – I thought the link was a good representation of my opinion, didn’t need to say more as it was an excellent summary. Re your wife’s credit card – both consumerism and capitalism are terrible economic systems.

Noone want to blast my point about how coal is the most polluting way to produce electricity? It’s true Mog that we had the cleanest coal tech in the world, but that doesn’t make it particularly clean.

Excellent posts Gordon, and you’re correct in pointing out what we need to debate is the future and not the past.

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now there is 5 ships anchored of the coast now full of coal corinthian pheonix,anangel ocean,vogerunner ,ostermarsch, aquagrace and raba all waiting full of coal.and these arent mickey mouse these are massive.

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Come on Mr c ... I thought you had more oil in your miners lamp than that ;)

1986 ..Study the printing industry and the move to High Tech Wapping out of Fleet Street with its old outdated and restrictive working practices.

or the shipbuilding industry..ditto e.g. One man to heat the rivet, one to carry it to the riveter(s) and two to put it in the hole and swage the head.

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nah i won't enter any debate wi you,its that simple. I will say though using yer grandparents as a safety excuse, is pathetic n insulting to em in my view, cos when they must of started working down the pits, there was hardly any safety, as in most industries,:rolleyes: also i never use 100 words, when 10 will do, i don't waffle, so suffice to say i don't really like yeh,

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yours did a long time ago:rolleyes: