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Iran to send 4,000 troops to aid President Assad forces in Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent are we heading to world war 3 as Russia are giving weapons to Assad ,the Iranians and Hezbollah fighting for Assad .Now i know im nuts but does a local sectarian war which has nothing to do with us worth it to start world war 3:confused::eek: all william hague can do is keep popping up every 2 weeks and say arm the rebels.which rebels:confused:

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I somehow doubt it. There's been scuffles throughout the ages in various parts of the World all underscored by outside powers supplying arms, ammunition, machinery & in some cases men. It's a form of live proving of weaponry & tactics before issue to their own armed forces or export to others.

Most of the 20th century has been a case in point, S.E. Asia is a prime example, French, American, Vietnamese, (supported by US, Chinese & Russian military tech) although idealogical reasons were the starting point, it became a war of the manufacturers in later years as to whose technology could kill more effectively.

Korea, which never really finished & is still ongoing sans bullets & bombs. Iran & Iraq happily killing each other in the 80's while being supplied & supported by middle eastern allies & the West, who later found themselves in the 90's & 2000's fighting against the very forces they'd equipped & trained. Russians in Afghanistan in the 80's taking a hiding from the Mujahadin (bankrolled, trained & armed by the US). who then went on to fight against the very same Americans who'd kitted them out. Nuclear stand off between India & Pakistan with skirmishes regularly happening in the mountain border regions where terrorist cells of Al Qaida train to fight those opposed to their views & extremist ideals, need I go on?

The above are just a few that come readily to mind, but there's so much more going on around the World, mainly fuelled by religious/racial hatred but all knowingly or not propagated by well meaning/cynical third parties. So in answer to your question, a third World war? No, but an increase of "local" warring & violent civil wars are ever more inevitable.

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World Wars don't come into it these days, its more about various economy's needing a boost, in other words money fer arms, opposing ideology's arming opposite sides, everybodys making, everybodys happy, thats life.

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Sometimes it's hard to believe that we all belong to the same species and live on the same planet. :(:(:(

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yes it is no coincidence a parking ticket was issued on blackburn road on saturday and events escolated less than 24 hours later :D

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C'mon doesn't belong to the same species and most definitely, doesn't live on the same planet! ;)

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Think the thread starter was the headline in the Guardian this morning Wyn, well it was certainly the headline in one Sunday rag, looks like it got the gear wheel turning I C'Mons one brain cell, but its still only turning very slowly :rolleyes:

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im glad i dont buy sunday papers it woulda taken the shine off my spiderman toast :D

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Have a thought for C'mon accyman he buys um all just to see which has the most sensational headlines he can use on here:)

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well gotta give him credit if hes copy pasting from a newspaper thats a pretty good trick lol

to be honest he saves me buying the paper i wish he would copy paste from teh daily sport infact i may put a request that he does lol

(especially the pictures )

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iv voted not to arm the rebels it just dosnt seem fair not buying our lads bullet proof vests yet arming people who will most likely end up shooting at our lads

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Sheer and utter propaganda possibly introduced to increase racial tensions.
There are two factors that prove the above to be a fiction.

1/ No parking ticket has ever been issued on Blackburn rd since the late 80's.

2/ Traffic Wardens don't seem to work Saturdays anymore.

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So many responses and nobody took the opportunity to take advantage to make fun of this...

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Make fun? everyone agrees.:D

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If you had picked any other road in Hyndburn I would have believed you :D

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cashy saw it and he has a witnes mi lord ...

it could be an elaborate hoax though :D

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Think the one thing missing of C'mons poll is yes, no, or am I a divvy:D

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Some guys have all the luck;)

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Clearly a long way from WW3

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...rists-did-year

USA having no credible enemies anywhere in the world and a military spend several times the rest of the world put together means no WW3 anytime soon.

Think back to the good old days that you so hark after Stan, the world was truly f'ed up by our grandfathers. Not only could they not build cars or run industries, they failed completely when it came to keeping the peace.

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No that wasn't our grandfathers, Twas yer Tory mates.:rolleyes: Don't insult people who had no option but to go to war.:(

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Wasn't a political statement, merely an observation about how messed up the world was back then.

However if you want to bring politics into the mess our grandfathers made we can. The Liberal party was in charge throughout WW1 were they not ?

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Its you that were insulting the memory of ordinary people, Folks like you make me want to puke.

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Yes it was messed up back then, but not by the ordinary folk, perhaps you should understand that though you may call your Grandfather around here the memory and sacrifices made by the Accrington Pals are still revered.

Most of whom had worked in a thriving quality cotton industry and High class engineering associated with that trade. They weren't rubbish tradesmen they were amongst the best.
They were sacrificed in the great war and the survivors let down afterwards.

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You are out of order blaming our Grandfathers for WW1 & WW2, it was not our Granfathers fault, but the upper class power hungry greedy barstewards that ran the countries involved, and their off spring are still at it.
And don't you dare mention the Accrington Pals except with reverence and gratitude, without their scarifices we would have had no tomorrow.

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Ordinary folk aren't messing things up today either Less. You've got to have power or wealth or both to have a large scale impact on society.

Tsar Nicholas was such a bad military commander that he sent over a million men to their deaths. He and his family were murdered for it mind you, but he's a good example of bad decision making in that half century. One of many.

Retlaw - read the text again. You won't find mention of Accrington Pals by me anywhere. Not guilty of the charge of treason.

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Thank you, but I don't need a history lesson from you.

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If you think the Tories were in charge then you do.

WW1 was a liberal government and WW2 was a national unity government. Churchill was an independent MP at the start of the war, and he took up the job to lead an all party unified government that was needed at the time. Chamberlain resigned because he could not carry all party support. He was leader of the Tories who had a sizeable house majority, but Labour would not back him. One of the few examples of a quality labour decision.

Churchill became a Tory, but was not one at the outset of the war.

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Well above is your post that had Cashy saying it was the Tories, as you can see you didn't specify which generation of Grandfathers but you did mention the car industry the cock ups in that came a little later than WW1 in fact, extremely post WW2.

Moving the goal posts in the next of your posts you then narrowed your field to WW1. (No doubt in an attempt to throw cashy off the scent).

However nowhere have I stated a belief that the Tories were in power during that time.

So, if inaccuracies can creep into your posts from the same day (to suit your purpose), what trust can we put in anything else you claim to be a fact?

Perhaps next time you wish to talk history you won't mix over fifty years of it into one lump, meanwhile may I repeat,

I don't think I need a history lesson from you thank you.

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First have of the 20th century circa 70m people died in ww1 and ww2. Period was also one of industrial decline throughout, as Accy can well attest.

Hardly something to be proud of.

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There's 'trouble at t'mill' - If you voted to say that world war wasn't near, you might think otherwise now.

Chemical warfare is immoral and inhumane - though no war is 'moral', especially when the causes/excuses are fabricated.

Before you decide whether 'intervention in Syria' is 'morally justified' you should be aware that there is some evidence that the chemical attacks were not carried out by the Assad regime.

The Daily Mail article was not on line for long in January and was 'stored and cached' by persons who want you to know.

U.S. 'planned to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad' | Mail Online

Cached Copy of Scrubbed Article Confirming US and UK Backed Chemical Weapons in Syria | 2012 The Big Picture

It appears that we have a situation similar to the fabricated WMD scenario that we were 'fed' a while back.

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Well it would be n easy way fer the Torys to reduce the numbers.:rolleyes:

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oh de duums david Cameron has cut short his six week holiday.his missus must have been annoying him or there is money to be made;) . and pops up William hague with the usual ARM THE SYRIAN REBELS. this is so predictable, this is nothing to do with us have we not learned the lessons from Iraq. who are the Syrian rebels :confused: who is shooting at the un inspectors:confused:

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dont know if this is any relevance but this is from may Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times

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Surely if it had been the rebels responsible for the latest atrocities, the Assad government would have been only too happy to let UN investigators in to confirm that it was they, not government troops who were responsible. The fact that the asad government dragged their feet in allowing access must be seen as suspicious.

It is horrific to think that either side think they can use chemical weapons without any retribution.

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Not in cmons world, owt that requires thinking fer yerself is a definate NO-NO.;)

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Yes, I know Cashy...he is a sensational headline type of thinker...or do I mean drinker?
I'll go away and think about it!

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I am inclined to think that the UN weapons experts will find what they are told to find. Dr David Kelly was one of them - and look how he ended up after not toe-ing the line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_K...pons_expert%29

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Thats a good point Margaret,reckon i would find what i was told too meself.:eek:

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Margaret, that might be the case...but the suspicion (for me) will always be there.
I am not always inclined to believe what I am told.

Had the Assad government been quick to invite investigators into the country, then it might have been an indicator that they were not responsible...however, it doesn't mean that they don't know who was...or that they were not allied to this government.

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You've got that one right Walter, why is it the USA and GB who feel they have to police the world, If there was danger for the people of Britain or the US then fine, otherwise let um get on with it

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There is usually a reason behind going in to another country's land. If there was nothing in it for them they wouldn't give a sh*t. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya for starters. These countries have all been left lawless wastelands with ordinary people left to fend for themselves. Egypt will end up the same. The west will want to put their own puppets in place. Once again, Britain will end up as America's little bitch.

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Nothings going to happen to Syria unless the Russians approve.

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The Russians didn't approve of Iraq did they?:confused:

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i wasnt concerned about ww3 until i noticed this wasnt a poll :D

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Well in the original poll 100% who voted said not to arm the rebels, so its only right the Torys ignore em.:rolleyes:

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Thought this was quite good.

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Who knows if the rebels arn't funded by CIA in the first place to stir up discontent. :hidewall:

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this country has no money:D:D:D just proves everything the tories are doing is to do with ideology oh well lets just waste billions on bombing a foreign country thousands of miles away:confused: we will just blame the last government :p

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Well they would be justified in saying "Well Blair started it":D

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Syria could be one step on the way to war with Iran - neutralising the threat of Assad; next stop a few years down the line Iran. Look what's happening in Iraq now after removal of Saddam - today 60 killed in Car bombings - your fault Mr Blair? :rolleyes:

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Let's be honest, we are skint, America is skint, the only way we could finance another world war would be by heavy borrowing from the Chinese.

Would they finance such a thing?

To right they would, but at the same time our so called opposition is skint.

They too would have to borrow heavily, from whom?

Well, probably the Chinese, then the winning side would no doubt be expected not just to pay their debts but the debts of the conquered nations.

Who gets world domination without firing a shot?

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Stop press.

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this is from may Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times its all suspicious to me :confused: I would have said ye the government is stupid but its the William hague bit that's aroused my suspicions and his connections to liam fox;) also he is a member of conservative friends of Israel

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Cameron backs down on urgent Syria strikes - Telegraph is this another u turn:D

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Seriously......lets see, one minute your using ypur favorite medium, copy paste, to claim the world is about to end, then when cool heads prevail, you use the same to have a dig at the government.
Shame you never did this when your friends were in power, not once

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As BG says cool heads until the findings of the investigators is published. What's wrong with that?

A point for consideration for those who say " it was the rebels wot done it"
Without question the Assad military has been bombing the rebel enclaves for more than 12 months now with all kinds of ordnance. Fact.
The weapon of choice/delivery system changes but the target remains the same. Would the naysayers and conspiracy advocates have us believe they have been bombarding their own all these months?

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There are a number of possible perpetrators who would gain from destabilising the whole region - Mossad, CIA, AQ, Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, China, Assad & the various rebel factions within Syria. IMHO it is imperative to await the UN Report before any action can be taken.
The photograph of the napalm victim in today's press just doesn't look right, neither do the newsreel scenes of victims of Chemical (Nerve Gas) attacks.

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Points well made Barrie.

The Joint Intelligence Committee's findings meanwhile are:

The sheer number of images could not have been forged.

The victims symptoms are consistent with exposure to Sarin.

The scale of attack would require artillery and aircraft available only to the Assad regime and not to the rebels.

IMHO That's an expert judgement from people better placed and qualified than me.

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But the USA used Agent Orange in Vietnam which is a chemical weapon in massive quantities causing massive contamination and 1/2 Million children born with birth defects, 400,000 people killed or maimed directly.

Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also Non Depleted Uranium has been used in Iraq and Afghanistan in Bombs dropped by USA/Coalition- causing birth defects and leukimia in children!

What's the difference? Syria is rammed down our throats by the media and powers that be as a war crime, while these uses of chemical weapons are left in the dustbin of history and are not used to brainwash people into thinking we need military action.

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I've give over bothering with the divvy, not worth answering

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Or even, more expert than our panic monger c'mon.
:rolleyes:

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The JIC findings - Aren't they the ones who decided that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?
Number of images - who produced the images?
My memory tells me that if you suspected exposure to nerve agents you jabbed the anti-dote dispenser into your thigh ASAP and prayed.
Chemical and biological agents can be dispensed by mortar rounds, artillery shells and ground to ground missiles ( remember Hezbollah firing them into Israel?)
I don't say that my comments are the gospel but one can get disinformation as well as information from the authorities of any government or government agency.

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He's not the only one Jay;)

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Agent Orange wasn't a chemical weapon as such, it was a chemical used to defoliate & destroy plants & brush, denying the NVA & Vietcong the cover they required to move men equipment & supplies. The fact that it caused birth defects & illness to the combatants & non combatants, friend & foe alike was due to the American government remaining tight lipped about the side effects so no one would baulk at its use.

Depleted Uranium is another beast entirely, its use is as a hardened metal to give punch to armour piercing munitions. Its deployment isn't with the intention of it being a "nuclear weapon", but the penetration it provides. Unfortunately, residue & dust are inevitable after impact & explosion, raising the background levels of radiation at the point of impact & battle field areas.

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You are being disingenuous Mr Yates. JIC = Joint Intelligence Committee.
Are you suggesting they are the very self same people who decided on Saddams weaponry? Surely not. ;)

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I thought Tungsten Carbide was used in armour piercing weapons, its supposed to be the next hardest thing to diamonds, so why use depleted Uranium if its not for the side effects.

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defeat for the tories by 13 votes . :eek: william hague should resign

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Why?
What would you have said if David Cameron had not called for a vote..or if the vote had gone the other way...or if the MP's had voted against involvement and DC had decided to override their vote?

You really take the biscuit. I do not recall any of this, when that famous middle east peace envoy Tony Blair was in power....and where is he now? Certainly not brokering any peace deals to seek a sttlement to the current situation.

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That used to be the case and still is to a certain extent, but I think it is the "mass" of the DU -approx. 19g/cu cm, which is much higher than lead makes it a more effective round, DU rounds are normally of the sabot type with the DU used as the penetrator.
DU is also used as shielding against radiation in a number of medical applications.

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There is no doubt in my mind that the tory leaders will attempt to change public opinion about intervention in Syria.

How are they likely to do that? - By providing us with a dose of biological terror warfare on UK mainland and blaming 'terrorists'.

They wouldn't dare ! - would they? - they have done it before.

Millions were in germ war tests | Politics | The Observer
Porton Down MoD experiments on the city of Norwich

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If Assad done it, then he should know better that he's courting serious trouble - so why would he?

It was on the BBC News today (which gives it credence in the eyes of those who believe the BBC with out question) that the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia are providing weaponry to the rebels to over throw Assad.

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Just because they didn't call it chemical weaponry doesn't mean it wasn't chemical weaponry! :rolleyes:

Like wise Gulf War Syndrome has been denied by the Government yet soldiers still complain of it.

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You really are a piece of work, which is evident by the links you put up, your getting worse than Jock Strap

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You omit to say that the Syrian Government have made this claim, not the BBC, after all the job of any journalist is simply to report.
It is interesting that you still question the validity of the BBC, would it be better if I watched Al Jazzera? or even your personal favorite channel*, the Russian State Propaganda Machine, Russia Today?

Any chance of a link of this 'fact' being reported by the BBC? It seems not to be on their website and as such I am not able to verify your facts:D

The sad reality is simple, innocent people are being killed, the Syrian Regime has the the weaponry and the desire to use chemical warfare. They would of course try to bluff their way out of it, it's propaganda. The Russians have a Naval base in the Syrian port of Tartus, which shows whose side they are on.

Should we sit on the sidlines and let people die for no good reason, Neville Chamberlain might have, but it does not make it right.


*You started a thread called 'Russia Today V the BBC News!' dated, 01/05/2013, heck you even argued with me about the validity of RT's reporting on a few posts, you gave up after a while, but in case you forgot your opening post was

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Your wasting your time BG, you'd be better off going outside and talking to the trees, you'd get more sense

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Seems to run in the family.:D

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the tory leadership wanted ed grew a set of balls and common sense prevailed;) ive always said the biggest mistake of the last government was Iraq. it wasn't the first time Britain went to war with Iraq the tories were in power then . I set up a democratic poll that was open to everybody I didn't claim it was going to be end of the world that's only in your head:D

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When did you first comment ypur distaste at your beloved Labour Governments stance on Iraq? You never once said a bad thing against them before the General Election.

I have not claimed the end is nigh, I suggest you get ypur facts right

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Grew a pair???? Don't make me laugh!

Once again, he forced his MP's to vote the way HE wanted, no risk at all, what price democracy in the Labour party?. In fact maybe at the next election he should stand in every single seat, it would be more honest than a local Labour candidate claiming he would represent you if you voted for him.

Caligula allowed his senate more freedom than dunderhead Milliband allows his MP's.

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he did a clever counter move by bringing up this amendment to prove david Cameron and hague would lose the main vote.. I don't think its over yet . taxpayers money could be used arming the Syrian rebels whoever they are:confused:



David Cameron's support for Syria uprising questioned over top aide's links to rebels - Mirror Online

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you would probably say he was a weak leader if the majority never followed the whip;)

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Heck...you mean to tell me that you criticised the last government....you might always have said that the biggest mistake of the last government was Iraq...but I don't recall you saying it on here.
In fact my recollections tell me that you were very quiet about the many failures of the last incumbents.

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On the contrary, I'm proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a weak leader BECAUSE he has to use the whip.

He cannot debate his party into following him, so he uses the threat of deselection and career destruction. In any other employment situation he'd be in front of a tribunal for harassment!

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that's politics ;) I think 99.9% of labour mps wouldn't care as long as they defeated Cameron and his cronies. they actually might be listening to the public:eek: lets hope they don't grasp defeat in the jaws of victory by supporting the supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels.

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On a lighter note.

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Or this angle.

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Oddly enough you are almost correct.... it's actually 100% of Labour MP's that don't care that kids are being burned alive by incendiary bombs in their playgrounds or that people are being gassed on the street.... as long as they defeat Cameron and his cronies. Which is why the vote was forced the way it was yesterday.

Yet Graham Jones has been banging on about the 'heart rending' sights of the kids in poverty on his fact finding trip to Rwanda....

talk about double standards!

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I think politics is best represented by people in forums like c'mon.... no wonder this world is effed

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tory splits also Ministers face sack over Syria shambles - Telegraph we cant keep thinking we are a power in the world its the Brazilians Chinese u.s.a. Canada etc that are the power houses now and they have their own human rights issues . brazil the hunting down of homeless kids and disappearances china people disappearing and the rest the u.s of a .the millions of homeless that don't appear on their official figures plus the ones in Canada too . we have no money they say , so why use a couple of billion bombing compounds in civilian areas which would back fire if any civilians were killed.

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The sad part about this crap is that Milipede decided to play politics with security, its been said before that if Labour had been in power back in 1939 Hitler would have been goose stepping down Whitehall without a shot being fire, its easy to see why:mad:

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don't talk rubbish, we cant afford the bombs according to your lot:D:D even some of your lot are sceptical .this has improved our security .why would you bomb a country thousands of miles away without the proof. as they say a conflict of interests as camerons aide was employed by the rebels. lets watch the americans bomb them and see the consequences .

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And believe me Guinness if you don't do as your told by the high command in the Labour Party, be that in Government, County Council or Local Councils your out on your ear. The late George Slynn was a dyed in the wool socialist who gave his life to the Labour Party. A onetime leader of Hyndburn council, he was against the closure of an old folks home in great harwood at county hall, his thanks was deselected for his county seat, he ended his political career by standing for the Lib/Dems for county council. What a shoddy way to treat a chap like that. I can't say I was Georges greatest fan but he was passionate about serving the people but treated shamefully for it, Labour politicians are just cannon fodder to do as they're told when they're told no questions asked

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Just noticed in another 54 posts you'll have reach your 5000 piece of crap on Accy Web congratulations on your forth coming achievement ;)

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no , that's not correct we have agreed on a few things jaysay :D

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left is left and right is right um:D

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alternative view but who knows ? EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

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Mint press news Try micky mouse weekly next:rolleyes:

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Well, I clicked on the link.....waited, waited and waited...then gave up...figuring that if C'mon had posted the link, he probably hadn't read it properly and it would say something other than what he thought it said. You know he is only interested in controversial/contentious headlines anyway, and frequently the article means something other than what the headline portrays.