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You know, Moats cost a small fortune to keep clean......

I am sure our local MP would never dream of treating his constituents in such a way:hidewall:

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It appears that MPs cannot afford toilet paper.:rolleyes:

Today's Twitter reports that Ed Milliband left his PM Question Time notes in a public toilet :D

They were rescued before use and can be read here
Read Miliband?s PMQs Briefing Notes In Full - Guy Fawkes' blog

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Probably hoping to meet George Michael to offer him a job as a the equality & diversity Czar seeing as they're ramming home same sex "Marriage". :idunno:

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More likely he was expecting Tony to drop by ;)

OPERATION ORE: THE GAMBLE CONNECTION: Tony Blair on sex offenders list...

http://www.seancopland.com/articles/...ne_search.html

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ramming home same sex "Marriage".
Hell dave thats a bit much .:D Making my eyes water thinking about that:D

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Proper subtle me! :D And to bring it back round to the topic in hand, it's no more than what the politicos are doing to the Country & it's people & to add insult to injury they're expecting us to pay for the Vaseline & bring our own sand! Barfturds! :(

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witha provision that they remain awake through teh proceedings.Some of them turn up just to have an afternoon nap

they have no shame either they know its telivised and they still nod off

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[QUOTE=Boeing Guy;1065216]Goodness me, I made a joke, maybe a bit crass but there you go.
The whole of society is filled with corruption from MP's to Entertainment Celebs, I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone on here has.
I would not be a MP, they are underpaid, but seeing Westminster is full of those who are playing the system for what they can get, remember the Expenses Scandal? the public are not going to be happy with any pay increase.
Maybe the problem is with the type of people who want to enter politics?[/QUOTE]

As Jimmy Saville would say "Ow's about this then"
As reported this week in the papers, Ian Livingston the outgoing head of BT is stepping down to become a Government Minister AND accepting a mega paycut to do so. Let's hope his flair and business savvy that made him such a success at BT and it's share price rubs off on the Trade and Industry Department.

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lets hope hes better than alan sugar was when he was asked to fix things lol

Ask a Stupid Question - Exasperated Alan Sugar replies to a stupid question on the recession - YouTube

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I think Mr Livingston has a better grasp on what government service is about Mr a. Service is not about money or self publicity. I'd like to think Mr Livingston sees the challenge ahead as being more important.

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look i admit it iv been waiting a long time to use that video and i barely managed to crowbar it in..




but i did manage:D

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How long have you been moonlighting as a BBC interviewer Mr a?

Bet HMRC doesn't know.

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I wouldn't advocate capitalism as the solution for anything. You only have to look at America to see it's neither fair or working. My previously posted link here U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time shows the whole system to be a ponzi scheme the question being "what next" to which there are no good answers. I wouldn't advocate a system where 1 in 5 people survive on food stamps as a suitable or enviable form of governance.

To the topic of this thread though was the issue that MPs are overpaid at 65k. They are not. There should be massive payrises and a working system of pay for performance. If you are in charge of roads then if potholes exceed 10% of roads you get sacked. I don't know what the metrics would be but they should be easy enough to define. If we had no potholes I'd have no problem with the minister for roads earning 200k. Similar could be applied to most government departments. The resulting infrastructure spend would be huge, the upside of which is a restarted economy based on manufacturing and not services. Youth unemployment being probably the biggest challenge of our time would be significantly reduced.

Here they get paid a lot but they are both impressive and accountable. The UK system by contrast of jobs for life, life peers and such is a joke, almost as bad as the north south divide. I think it's time parliament was moved to Manchester or Birmingham in order to fairly distribute the countries resources from the centre of the country.

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Roger that MrE
£65K to in most cases 2/3s of ones working life hundreds of miles from home. Weekends spent listening to constituents whose problems they expect you to solve. Dividing your time between electors, various local interests and last but no means least ones family. On top of which then pilloried for claiming expenses to which you are entitled to function properly. We get our MPs cheap.

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How about £12-15K to most cases...for helping people die with dignity, for helping people with dementia, learning difficulties, disabilities or simple old age. How about these people having no chance of a pay rise for the foreseeable future because these very MP's that you are advocating need paying more are squeezing the budgets of county councils whilst talking about 'real term' rises and 'no cuts to frontline services'.

Many MP's top up there earnings anyway, some by dodgy deals, some by teetering on the edge of legality, some by fiddling expenses, claiming for second homes using unpaid staff, claiming that they employ family etc..etc...etc...

Your post claims 'expenses to which they are entitled to function properly'...would that include duck hides, moat cleaning, high end wallpaper and antique furniture for offices etc..etc...

And what do they do for that money..

They vote according to party not according to public opinion
In opposition they vote against the ruling party regardless of whether or not the policy in question is a good idea just for the hell of it.
In power they ride roughshod over the very people who elected them by saying 'we know better than you, so suck it up.'

When they actually start behaving like people instead of animals in the house of commons, when they make actual improvements to things instead of blustering with twisted statistics and using words like 'real terms', when they stop the 'do as I say not as I do' mentality that pervades every single thought process of an MP...then maybe, just maybe I'd start thinking about financial remuneration.

Giving themselves a massive hike in pay whilst strangling everyone else to the point of needing foodbanks is a downright obscenity, regardless of the colour of the rosette you wear on election day.

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I agree with the shark, but could we make one minor adjustment.

Let's get rid of our current MP's and Lords. Maybe send to the Fletcher Memorial Home (Pink Floyd's solution)

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Fair and reasonable expenses G..cheap shot dragging up duck islands and hand printed wallpaper. They are under increased scrutiny since the Telegraph exposed the scandal. You almost answered your own question.

They are not giving themselves massive payrises..it's in front of a review board the amount has yet to be decided.

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Who are the members of the "Pay Review Board?"

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Why is it a cheap shot...it is what they did.
This expense scandal was FRAUD..plain and simple. And it was US they were stealing from...not many ended up in clink did they?
They call fraudulent benefit claimants, but what they were doing was exactly the same thing.

I have no faith in any of them, and am not surprised that the country is in a mess.
We are(as a nation) a rudderless ship, with politicians concentrating on issues which are of little consequence...except of course they are told by the EU puppetmasters to jump...to which they reply 'how high, and how long do you want us to stay up?'

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Since when has the truth been a cheap shot?:rolleyes:

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I don't think they were forced to become MPs - that was their decision and they should have been aware of the salary, benefits and possibly the expense fiddles before they applied to the local party selection committee.

Hundreds of miles from home? What about thousands of miles from home, being shot at and trying to evade IEDs, with inadequate/unsuitable equipment - which has been decided upon by the people who have to brave working part-time in London - who decides their pay rises? Surprise, surprise, it is the MPs.

They do deserve a pay rise - when they become competent to govern this country of ours and take the action to bring back sovereignty from Brussels, control immigration, appoint regulators with the authority to control banks, utilities etc. and a judiciary that passes meaningful sentences and no more of the soft touch sentences that we see now.

I wonder if our MP - I cannot call him our "representative" due to his past record, will be in the House tomorrow and will he vote for the referendum?

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when i chose to be on the YTS i was aware the wages were £28.50 per week

the wage was a complete and utter joke for a weeks work or 4 days work and a day in college doing a work related course in the hope that a didnt get a crook of an employer abusing the system to get cheap labour and would indeed give me a job at teh end of 2 years

my point is i knew it was crap wages and teh risks which if after many years homing thier skills of crookery as local councilors Mps havnt learned how to figure out then its pretty much tehir own fault if they think they are hard done by.

please remember the vast majority of MPs have fine tuned their attributes such as backstabbing,lying,telling half truthes,fraud and decete for many years as local councilors and are more than aware of what is in store for them on the next level

notthat i think any of them are dishonest or owt lol

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No...you don't think...you KNOW!

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and I paraphrase: I don't think they were forced to become soldiers, we don't have conscription any more (mores the pity but thats fodder for another thread) - that was their decision and they should have been aware of the salary, benefits and dangers before they applied to their local recruiting office.

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Which is no different from people who become M.P.s or are those people not bright enough to suss the wage out?:rolleyes:

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They where & accepted it, you don't see them whining about pay rises, being away from family, how hard they've got to work & the lack of perks. They take their money & do their job with a damn site more integrity than the whiners of Westminster.

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You are right DinG I don't see them whining or moaning but get real they do indeed bemoan their lot.
They've been moaning since Kiplings time and before.

Brit squaddie rewrites Kipling poem as attack on soldier?s lot today | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys

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I dont think the whole issue is the fact of getting a pay increase , its the fact that it is likely to be around £10,000 which is a damn sight more than a lot of ordinary "plebs " earn for their annual salary. This on top of over eighty days a year not actually at the commons, which i am sure the vast majority of mp's spend working in their constituency:rolleyes: Many have second jobs on various boards or advisory committees which earn them extra income.It must be a struggle to survive for the poor lambs :s_cry: i'm just off to get my violin :rolleyes:

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Afghanistan (with apologies to Kipling)

When you're lying alone in your Afghan bivvy,
And your life, it depends on some MoD civvie,
When the body armour's shared
(one set between three)
And the fire fight's not like it is on TV,
Then you'll look to your oppo, your gun and your God,
As you follow the path all Tommies have trod.

When the Gimpy has jammed and you're down to one round,
And the faith that you've lost is suddenly found,
When the Taliban horde is close to the fort,
And you pray that the arty don't drop a round short,
Stick to your sergeant, like a good squaddie should,
And fight them like Satan or one of his brood.

Your pay - it won't cover your needs or your wants,
So just stand there and take all the Taliban's taunts,
No generals nor civvies can do aught to amend it,
Except make sure you're in a place you can't spend it,
Three fifty an hour in your Afghani cage,
Not nearly as much as the minimum wage.

Your missus at home in a foul married quarter,
With damp on the walls and a roof leaking water,
Your kids miss their mate, their hero, their dad;
They're missing the childhood they should have had
One day it will be different, one day by and by,
As you stand there and watch to see the pigs fly.

Just like your forebears in mud, dust and ditch
You'll march and you'll fight and you'll drink and you'll bitch,
Whether Froggy or Zulu, or Jerry or Boer
The Brits will fight on 'til the battle is over.
You may treat him like dirt, but nowt will unnerve him,
But I wonder sometimes, if the country deserves him.

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i may be wrong about this but im pretty sure a british soldier pal of mine once told me that if a soldier is serving in lets say Iraq as an example he or she can not vote in elections which if true puts them beneath MPs and prisoners in our prisons( i really do hope tahts incorrect but pretty sure thats what i was told)

just popped in my head that after i saw soldiers knowing what to expect when joining up

if anyone joins the army and finds themselves surprised that they have found themselves in afghanistan or serving american interests then that person is pretty dim and probbably allocated the rank of gun fodder

the days of adverts showing the army to be a place where you go to learn ski-ing or sufing in the crystal blue waters of the medataranian are long gone its a pretty much a given your heading for a nutsack full of sand surrounded by people who wouldnt bat an eyelid at you getting beheaded.

my american buddy lost a leg after his truck went over a IED and america have looked after him extreemly well and given him a healthy pension that has secured his future

in the UK he would have been slung on incapacity,declared a scounger by his government then assesed by ATOS a french company that would say he didnt have a disability

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It's very tempting to indulge in populist "They're all liars and thieves" mantras. Those who spout this often state the same regardless of the sitting government and it's MP's. Up there with "They're all the same", which blatantly ignores how various governments have treated the North West.

Another chestnut is "People around here/Ordinary people only earn...... or What about (insert job here) who only earn......

Irrelevant cliches which are trotted out at any moment of government disapproval.

A CEO at a company such as BT, Virgin, Sky etc earns much much more than an MP. That's one CEO at a company which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty inconsequential.

Now....imagine government is a business. This business is responsible for the well being of 60 million plus people including:

Education
Taking us to war.
Keeping the nation safe.
Healthcare
Transport

Shouldn't the people RUNNING OUR COUNTRY be entitled to at least the same as those who run ONE BUSINESS?

Experts in the above fields....the kind of brains we want running the country, have no incentive to on the relative pittance our representatives get in relation to their international counterparts. Why become an MP when you can make much more for much less work in your particular field or business?

Also as has previously been mentioned....the leader of Lancs County Council gets more than an MP. As does our useless new Crime Commissioner.

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when someone applies to be teh CEO of a company they are doing it for the perks,the huge pay packet and the status

serving teh people is supposed to be a honour not a career to be used to get as much financial gain an dpower as possible

you simply cant compare been a big banker or a CEO with been a MP its two totally differnt types of employment if you will.Well its supposed to be but Mps are just as power hungry and greedy as CEO's

at least CEO's ar ehonest about why they are in teh job they are

we could scrap voting and hold job intervies for CEO of the UK and award a bonus and wage structure

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Lights, action...run that Alan Sugar clip again................

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i dont want to over use it

besides his compuers were crap he dont deserve the publicity :)

i wonder how much labour paid him for them expertees he displayed lol

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I don't believe anyone on this forum is qualified to criticise Alan Sugar. He made the leap into his own business accepting the risks (only 1 in 20 new businesses survives the first year) and put his neck and finances on the line to do so. Being a CEO is not like any normal job. There are reasons why these people are well paid and it's usually tied to performance. In his own company, as was the case here, he created innovative products and literally thousands of jobs.

Congrats and thanks Alan would be more appropriate. I don't see him as greedy so much as appropriately rewarded for his contribution to industry and society as a whole.

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That's right, they'll have a gripe but in the end they knuckle down & get the job done! Like I said integrity, something politicoes have lost sight of. As to your comment "get real" D, I did, for a good few years which included NI 84-85 & Iraq 91, the original Gulf War, so less flippancy if you please.

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Well if a soldier does moan, could easy be about not having proper protective equipment,needed to protect life n limb, I reckon fair minded people would say, That moan is far more justified than some privately educated middle class twerp,moaning about the fact there expenses fiddle has been exposed.:rolleyes: and yer talking about cheap shots D ?

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Love it when someone uses cliches and chestnuts as an argument and then justifies their own argument with opposing cliches and chestnuts.

You tell me..what evidence do you have to show that Graham Jones (just using him as an example here) has the brains to run a business dealing with Education, War, Defence, Health and Transport, thus justifying a pay hike. Bear in mind he's only there because he won a popularity contest.

I'd also like you to justify why Gordon Brown, who has attended only 2 or 3 sessions since losing the last election should have a 10k pay rise.

Crossed swords with a couple of councillors on here, I may not agree with their politics but I respect what they are trying to achieve becuase they are, in the main, in it for altruistic reasons and I don't begrudge them a penny...I most definitely cannot say the same for career politicians.

Oh and who came up with the idea for 'our useless new Crime Comissioner'....wouldn't happen to be politicians looking to add more positions on the political gravy train would it?

I have an idea, lets means test politicians....we'll start wages at £200k per year and lower it according to other income sources, savings, property etc..etc...that would sort the genuine from the scroungers, wouldn't it?

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Politicians never ever come out of a political career broke.
When someone goes into a job or career for the money - they are doing it for the wrong reason.
Politicians often have more than one job...When I was working (as a Nurse - Senior Sister) I hadn't the energy or the time to do any other job.
I knew what I was taking on when I went into my career, the unsocial hours, time away from my family at Christmas, the inability to go to some social event(wedding, celebrations) because of duty requirements.
I certainly didn't do it for the money. I did it because I enjoyed looking after people - making a difference.
And while I would not have done it for no pay - I took the low pay(the pay was much lower back then) because I considered the enjoyment of my daily work to be a bonus that some people never have.

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It wouldn't work, their accountants would see to that.

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Whoooa Mr C
I didn’t bring the noble squaddie onto this thread, I replied to DinG because it's not comparing apples with apples in my book any more than citing Nurses or Firemen too.
I think our elected Member deserve a payrise some agree, some don’t, that’s all in the mix.

A payrise for the Forces now that’s another matter and it probably needs taking off thread so that the healthy/pithy debate on the original subject matter doesn’t get diluted.

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You are possibly correct, but belief isn't proof, so if a member of this site (including you), wishes to put forward their opinion about Mr. Sugar so long as it isn't slanderous then they can do so.
After all you have put forward opinions about this site and it's members without any proof that you are qualified to do so.
:p

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Whoooa yerself "D" yeh said they did moan n had been moaning since Kiplings time! I simply compared the moans by me own standards. Responding to DinG or not, yeh provided a link to enhance yer point.;)

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That's my opinion Less, I expressed it.

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Indeed you did and I feel qualified enough to reply, no matter what conclusions you may have jumped too.
:)

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i poste dteh alan sugar video co it was funny

hes liek a rich version of less

grumpy and no time for stoopid questions

the look alike as well

i think i just slandered one of em but not sure which ....

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do you mean rich as in money rich or rich is in how the heck has that guy got the nerve type rich?

As for slandering someone, it was me, but you're safe, I can't afford to take you to court. (or can I?).
:D

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Well I happen to like Lord Sugar, he certainly knows his market, selling low end stereo's, cheap VCR's even cheaper computers and more recently my damned sky HD box, which works when it wants.
I would not say his products are innovative, I have spent my life involved in innovation and my family have done rather well in their prospective markets manufacturing innovative products.
But this is not about him, he has chosen to give something back and good to him, he does a lot for Great Ormond Street Hospital.

Our elected representative's are full of themselves, it is a shame they are only prepared to feather their own beds

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I like the fact Suger don't take crap off no-one.

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im accepting donations for a new keyboard i am not this illiterate in real life

gotta admire sugar he can make money outa turds

the apprentice is proof of that

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Perhaps you should read Post 121 again.

Nowhere does it state that members of the Armed Forces were forced to join.
For your education, a recruit is made fully aware of the salaries for each rank in his chosen trade and the charges for accommodation and food - yes those charges are deducted from their salaries.
The prospects, training and promotion possibilities are clearly explained and everything is in writing.
Also, the potential hazards he or she will face are pointed out, not just by the recruiters but by almost daily Press and TV news.

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I doubt it was pointed out to them that they would have to drive though a warzone in a vehicle barely equipped for riot control.

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Nigel Farage on Tv this morning said pay should reflect the degree of responsibilty that goes with the job, and since 75% of decisions have been handed to the EU parliament, then a 75% CUT in pay is appropriate.

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No probably not G, but again the decision to equip these Lads with inadequate kit was the responsibility of the money grubbing Politicoes who'd cut the Military budget while still allowing themselves the good life at taxpayers expense!

Government to place £100m order to replace maligned Snatch Land Rovers | UK news | guardian.co.uk

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Probably some wise adviser will suggest Range Rovers because they have more wine bottle storage.

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is it just me or does maligned snatch sound like a really bad lady problem :eek:

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As a gentleman I am sure you would help with an realigning as needed :rolleyes:

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Best to know all the facts before shooting yourself in the foot, me thinks:rolleyes:

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Foot IN mouth disease in Singapore :D

Hand, Foot & Mouth Disease

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In fact Farage said one or two sensible things another being to cut the £55 million per day we pay into the Euro pot, there's a hell of a lot that could be done in this country with that money than waste it on Brussels :mad:

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Trust you to find that Margaret:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Well ive crossed me fingers.:D

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MPs to lose £30,000 ?golden goodbye? | The Times

A step in the right direction Mr C?

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That one i aint sure of "D"? would need to have all the info to make a fair assessment on that score.

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What no snap decision and rush to judgement ??
Must be the heatwave ;)

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Never wi pensions "D".

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It would be better for most people if you could post links to sites that don't have a paywall in place, I had to login to read the story.

I can see it as excessive to pay many of the wealthy MP's a resettlement figure but what about ordinary MP's. I assume MP's like ours give up their jobs when they become an MP which means if they loose the next election they are then unemployed and will have to start looking for a job.

Is the resettlement not similar to a redundancy payment?

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they dont need a job neil the pension will easily ensure they dont starve and shoudl easily cover all teh luxuries they have become used too

mps dont leave their job broke i can guarentee you of that

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Oh, come on Neil.
Don't you think that MP's network while they are in office? They know people, who know people who will help them out with a job.

Many of them have second jobs as 'consultants' in some capacity or another...and if that isn't the case, and they haven't managed to save a bob or two whilst in parliament then they are just plain daft.

The main problem is, that having been an MP, they see themselves as a cut above the rest of us..as a consequence of this, they want to lead the same lifestyle out of parliament as they did in it.

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if a MP cant afford to keep their child in private education as an example after loosing an election then maybe they should have thought about that before putting their child in private education.

MPs should consider what they may have to return to if they loose their job when taking on financial burdens

they should also consider how much they lie to their local folk because they may one day find themselves back amongst us

there was a mp on panaorama not long ago who betrayed the lifeforce of his own town for cash fr questions id hate to be him if he looses his position and has to go home

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I was talking about normal people who are MP's, the sort of MP's most of us would like to see as MP's. Take things like this away and you will only have those with plenty of money and who see being an MP as a second job left. Is that what you want?

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The pension after just one 5 year term will only be very small and not enough to live on, especially if you are fairly young still

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Probably still better than the pension I and others have paid into only to find it frittered away before I can draw it!
Mine took longer than five years to accrue and is now going to be virtually useless.
(Not a political thing, all parties seem to have been betting I wouldn't live long enough to get it, I'm one of the unfortunate ones that hopefully will cause them to lose that bet).
:(

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just 1 term as a MP and that MP such as our own is set for life in comaprasson as to what they were earning before they gave up their real job

i forget the amount but its extreemly generous

besides if a MP thinks his position is for life then hes either stoopid or dillusional

one thing i know for sure is a MPs minimum pension is a hell of a lot more than what the law says someone shoudl get to live off if unfortunate enough to be on benefits

if a MP looses his or her seat then maybe they shoudl have been less of a cock.Why should the tax payer fund their inability to keep their position in parliament ?

been a MP is a privelage not a carreer prospect or a system to bleed every penny you can from

personally id have them signing on the dole proving what they have done to seek work like everyone else has too

welcome back to reality biatch its time to ear a living again

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Yes well, when we really think about it...
An MP is on benefits, just like the rest of the so called scroungers, it's just that they make sure their benefits, are always better and more lucrative than most of the other false claimants.

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Point taken Neil ;) I had forgotten the Times was now pay per view.

I think it's as it is called, a resettlement...to help them adjust to civilian life, whatever that is?

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I can't find the amount either but it would only be a 1/10 of a full pension

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I think it's because many of them will not have a job and will have to find one. Does being a ex MP look good or bad on your CV?

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I agree most pensions are terrible. The long time serving lads at work are horrified by what their pensions will be worth compared to what they have paid in.

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Normal people who are MP's stop being normal people because of their exposure to the different lifestyle in parliament.....and I would guess(I have no evidence) they would have made friends in high places...and they would not be unemployed and signing on the way that you or I would be.
In life, it is very often who you know, not what you know, or what you can do that swings the deal.

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More so now than its ever been, Its who yeh know.;)

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what I want for an MP is someone who will be true to their electorate...you know, those people who put a cross against his name believing him to have the best interests of my community at the heart of what is being done. Not someone who when the leader say 'Jump'...he hops up and asks ' how high, and how long should I stay up?'
I want a person with integrity. Not one who is on the make(and the take)...but looking at the current state of our political system, it seems that my expectations are far too high.

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The only time I've ever lived in a constituency where the MP was like that was when I lived in Hyndburn and the late Ken Hargreaves was in office. He went the extra mile for me when I was sorting out my missus's UK residency with the Home Office. And when his government were introducing the poll tax, he defied the party whip and voted against it, because he knew it would harm his constituents. To my mind, Tory or not, he was an outstanding local MP.

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So, you are of the same school as our MP?

Making a guesstimate?

His was saying 95% of folk can't be trusted to vote for or against the EU, how far out is your statement?


I can neither prove nor disprove it.

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I read they can chose to pay at a rate of 1/40 1/50 or 1/60. I guessed at the middle because it worked out nicely for 5 years at 1/50th but I think he would be better on the 1/40.

I don't know what age an MP can draw his/her pension but the sooner you draw it the less you usually get

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garinda found it i think it was around 40 grand a year

if you cant live off that then tough luck jack

even if only a mesely 30 grand a year its pretty good money for sitting around on your arse ..

what MPs seem to want is keeping in the life style they have become used to like they are some ill-done woman settling a divorce

sorry MPs your days of handouts shoudl be opver teh day you loose an election and if you dont liek that then dont put yourself forward for teh job and let somone who ISNT in it for teh money have a go

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Never heard of him, did he post often?

Maybe he can come back and post it again

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i think you need to say his name 3 times into a mirror

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That was then Wyn.
There can be few MP's in the current clan who could live up to this man.
When Ken was in politics it was a whole different ball game.
People went into it to make a difference, rather than having their eye on the main chance and feathering their own nest.

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Even back then Margaret, Most M.P.s were just as they are now, Leader says Jump,they said How High, One difference now is us oiks find out much more, Think one reason is the Media aint as servile as back then, another reason is the good old W.W.W.;):)

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I don't think Private schools will apply to MPs for places like Hyndburn though accyman, will they:rolleyes:;)

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The thought of his mush appearing in the mirror is too scary to try it

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I don't agree, they were the same as now and just like then we have good, not so good and bad MP's now

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I saw this yesterday -

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Thats point i was making, its just now the public are much better informed of the shenanigans of these Shysters.;)

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Talking of shenanigans, there hasn't been much talk on here about unions and Labour MP's on the forum

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Probably only cos Jaysays a bit under the weather at the moment, n Cmon aint been on.:D

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Ya cashy, but at least I've had a good laugh watching them ripping each other to shreds, Mind you the only time I was a member of the Union was when I worked at Laings at Shad, it was a closed shop, but I refused to pay the political levy even in those days, think if Mr Ed gives Union members the right to chose if they want to pay it now, Labour will be millions out of pocket

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Do you actually think Cmon would have brought the subject up:D