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BBC News - David Cameron 'warned he cannot stop pay rise for MPs'

It seems that the ipsa have recommended a rise in MPs salaries from £66k to £70k after the next general election, and eventually rising to £75k but they'll have to pay a bit more for their pensions:eek: I'm sure accyman will join me in saying that our MPs are worth every penny of these rises, not,:mad: The galling part about it little can be done to stop these rises happening:mad::mad:

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I don't buy the fact sod all can be done, Whats to stop him asking the general public if I.P.S.A. should be scrapped if they fail to listen to the publics wishes? After all if I.P.S.A. cannot represent standards, then what use are they?

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Think you'll find it would be harder to scrap and independent body than blocking the pay rise, that's why they're independent, and always remember Cameron might not be the one having to make the decisions come 2015:rolleyes:

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Having said that I'm sure you think our Graham would be worth every penny of that rise if he were to be re-elected in 2015 Cashy:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

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None of em whatever party are worth a penny more than ordinary voters are being allotted.;)

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He can't stop it because he doean't really want to.(weasel words from a politician who is trying to bamboozle the voters with this bluff - telling them what he thinks will show him in the best light..like he is feeling our economic pain. GONADS!)
Where there's a will there is always a way.......Isn't this man the Prime Minister?

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Guess which lot think they're worth the most? Here's one for for cmon, cut and pasted as he would himself.

Will MPs reclaim the power to vote against a pay rise?

It's worth remembering that a private survey of 100 MPs conducted by YouGov on IPSA's behalf found that 69 per cent thought they were underpaid, with an average salary of £86,250 recommended. On average, Tory MPs proposed a salary of £96,740, the Lib Dems £78,361 and Labour £77,322. A fifth suggested that they should be paid £95,000 or more. But would they have the chutzpah to vote accordingly in parliament? That seems unlikely.

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Are we still all in this mess together??

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Absolutely! Though as usual the majority are expected to tighten their belts far more than others!

:mad:

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What is an ordinary voter?

How much should they be paid and what sort of job/salary would you compare them to.

This link shows what people are getting paid for what jobs http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/a...cupations.html

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Arrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggg

payrise..?

move this to 18 and over iv got words i really wanna use

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i tightened my belt so tight it severed my spine


i was then visited by ATOS and declared fit to run the 100m in the commonwealth games

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If yeh don't know that yer dumber n i thought.:rolleyes:

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any Mp with any shred of dignity and self resect would turn down this payrise especially in current times where Mp's are justifying cuts to the likes of teachers and nurses and not to mention the vulnerable in society

maybe our MP can start the ball rolling and see if any of his collegues will stand with him in not accepting the payrise ?

oops sorry my bad i thought i wa sin the jokes section :o

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Oh dear what's happened to the cheery atmosphere of optimism that was demanded by an ex pat that owns most of Accrington and therefore thinks he tell us what to think?

Well here goes, I'll start, (whilst tugging my forelock in the general direction of Singapore), The above quote was from my soon to be published book on 'Myths, Fairy-tales and gullible people'

To keep it in line with the thread it will only be available online for a paltry Kings ransom, which coincidentally has a purchase price that will be kept inline with Parliamentary pay rises, so that at least one of us, (me), will benefit from any extra they may get.


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Reality is that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, and that's what's happened here.

If the salary was raised to something worth having then you might actually attract talented people into these roles.

Why is it that running a country is seen as less important than say running the post office, or the National Coal Board? Wasn't Arthur Scargills Barbican flat allowance on its own worth more than an MPs salary?

If they were paid loads then you'd attract the best, brightest and most capable people running the country and the savings would be immeasurable. Those people would move freely between top jobs in the public and private sector gaining valuable experience.

Here in Singapore the Prime Minister earns £1.5m a year, ministers earn between £750k to £1.25m a year and as a result the country is spectacularly well run.

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And I fully expect the cloud of misery and derision which is what appears to constitute "community" in Accy to continue :-)

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Plagiarist! That is a direct quote from the beginning of Chapter 3 of my book, find your own myths.

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as far as im concerned theyre public sector employees ... so they should get the same pay rises as them ...

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Aint that what hes doin fer buildings on Warner St??:hehetable Paying Peanuts.:D

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Yes, he is, I didn't think I'd ever get rid of those white elephant's, The only one I have left is the building behind the Railway pub, now that would be a real investment!!!

However I'm saving that for an American tourist, they are the only ones that could afford to dismantle the viaduct and ship it home!

;)

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sometimes its difficult to tell when your been serious or just taking the pi-urine

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This will not be a popular opinion but....

They should be paid more. It's a scandal that sportsmen can earn more in a week than those who effectively run our country. They should be paid more....but with less of them.

Pay should then be performance related.
How many times have you returned to your constituency?
What percentage of debates have you attended and if not why?
What are you doing in order to enhance your constituency?

Allow constituents to vote on how effective they believe their MP is. I know people will say "that's what a general election is for" but unfortunately people tend to treat political parties like football teams. This "I've always voted Labour/Tory/Liberal and so did my parents" mantra has created so many safe seats and subsequently lazy MPs.

Also with an increased wage there should be no expenses. It will be a case of "you earn well...pay for it yourself".

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Let's not forget HRH is getting a payrise too and Mr Cameron has promised to give married couples tax breaks worth £150 each before the end of the year.
We are all happy, every ones a winner. ;)

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Nah its easy a troll is a troll.;)

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Our M.P.s don't earn the money, they get it given for nothing

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incorrect some of them have to ask questions to get the extra they need as they cant make do on the pittance they get

1 term as a MP and your set for life because no matter how crap or good a MP is they get a pension for life

not too bad if you can become a MP in your early 20's you could pack in after 1 election and know that you never have to do a days work again at the tax payers expense.I think its the only case of taking the taxpayers money that MPs havnt labled as scrounging or the tax payer

polititions dont get enough - HA what a laugh

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The problem is these rises have been put forward by an a totally independent body, what would be the point if an independent body could have their decisions overturned by parliament if MPs didn't like it. MPs could opt not to take the pay rise, I think Clegg has said he wouldn't take it, but how many from any colour of party will do that:rolleyes:

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teh only way one of em would do it is for teh same reason clegg is doing so

to appear to be a decent bloke or gain good grace from teh british public

not a case of damned if you do damned if you dont it shoudl be turned down discreetly with no song and dance

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Discreetly and MP in the same sentence accyman, don't be silly:D

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Thats very noble of Mr Clegg the multi millionaire:rolleyes:

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i can make a sentence containing the words dicreetly and MP

"the MP discreetly slipped the brown evolope of cash into his inside pocket "

see it can be done:D

perhaps when they arnt preceived to be lying ,back stabbing,crooks they could consider a payrise but when they cant even grasp the most basic concepts of decencey i dont see why they should even get paid at all nevermind a payrise:rolleyes:

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to be fair some of these MPs have private education to pay for so their kids can have the best...


....while government makes further education even more out of reach for the working class and their kids

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So cashman you propose to pay the people that run the country less? That's really smart. Think of the savings...... In fact if we had no one running the country, you'd save all the salaries and the maybe appoint yourself as the "dear leader" as you have here on Accyweb?

Maybe we should put a footballer in charge? Rooney earns £300k a week, which is 4 MPs. So you can have 2 footballers for the year or the entire political setup. We can argue about the merits of the current flawed political system, but not about the relative value of the governance of the country versus 2 people kicking a bag of inflated leather around a field.

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Could you please quote the post in which cash man posted the above proposal?
I've had a quick look through the thread couldn't find it.
As for him being AccyWebs 'dear leader', he didn't appoint himself, it's his turn, an honorary roll like being the towns mayor.
It'll be jaysay's turn next week for his unceasing dedication to expanding the English language.

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As i never said that or anything resembling that, Easton, as well as being a troll, yer also a liar, one who i would never trust, Thinking about it, that may well be the reason yeh spend much of yer time far away.:rolleyes:

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Oh no, Cashman's calling me a troll again - presumably you can't think of two insults at once.

At the end of the day cashy you've posted nearly 35,000 times and yet you've only been liked 858 times. That's not even 1 in 40 posts. If I took out Less's likes of your posts it'd be worse still. Even his lousy record is 1 in 16. On those metrics I'd retire from the forum altogether as you clearly have nothing of value to add.

I don't think you can be passed the torch as this weeks "dear leader"

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can I just point out the site has been running nearly 10 years and there was over 1 million posts already on site before the site was updated to include "LIKES"
which was done about 6 months ago

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More lies unsurprisingly,:rolleyes: I will explain in simple english why i regard yeh as a liar, First whilst i have a great dislike fer you as a person, I do not regard yeh as stupid, So therefore by posting people said things, which obvious to all who read the forum, that they did not, can only constitute a liar to me. also that makes a troll to me.

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Don't you sometimes wish there was a 'loathe' button? ;)

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Don't bother me much, prefer to tell em straight.;):D

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Once more I agree with Cashy, you aren't thick, but you don't do yourself any favours by assuming everyone else is, (and your main downfall seems to be that you assume rather than actually talk facts about most things).
By the way, likes are a little like karma, we can't spend them at the shop so we don't mind if we get them or not, it is only the newbies that would like to be popular that place any importance on likes and do you know usually they aren't.
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So you've made a value judgement on somebody based on a set of statistics, which as Mick has just shown are largely worthless anyway. You know nowt about Cashy, what he's like at a person, his relations with other members of the group and what he's contributed to the group over the years.

Instead, you judge him on your own skewed reading of some statistics. The quote "he knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing" could have been made for you!

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The sort of non answer I expected.

If you can't decide where they should fit on the employment scale how can you say they are overpaid?

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I agree with a lot you said except that bit. No one should have to pay their own way for doing their job.

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Our Council's chief exec is paid more than our MP. Shall we increase our's MP's wage to match?

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My recent posts have, quite properly, been culled due to advertising the interests of our new esteemed member.:rolleyes:

If you want to do the same search that I did, it is easy when you know his first name is Graham, and he uses the shark logo in his advertising.

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So the bankers weren't/aren't paid enough for the mess they got us into?

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I see that you searched too :D

Personally I prefer Bermuda over Singapore, if I had a choice ;)

Ps .....don't think 'loan shark'....think 'travel shark'

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Yeh got what yeh expected simply because of who yeh are,:rolleyes::D I recall saying they should not be paid 1p more than ordinary voters, was that hard fer yeh to grasp? I was not saying or discussing were they should fit on the employment scale, start another thread about that if yeh wish,:rolleyes: I'm starting to wonder if yer related to easton?

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if the pay was that bad tehy wouldnt be doing it because i bet %99 of them wouldnt do the job if it was minimum wage and a travel pass

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Stating the bleedin' obvious there MrA

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One should be aware of the salary and salary structure before applying for any position.

What should anyone be paid? How about what they are worth to the organisation that employs them.

In industry and the military, and no doubt some other classifications, your pay is linked to your performance, if it is good then you can expect a pay rise or a bonus, if performance is poor, for whatever reason - no pay rise (except for across the board annual rises usually at or below the cost of living), if performance is very poor then one can expect to be looking for another job in the near future.

So one must ask, did the Bankers do a good job? Did the BBC Executives do a good job?
Do politicians do a good job? Should any one of them (and numerous other similar categories), receive pay rises and gold plated pensions?

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May I just point out that random percentages used on AccyWeb have been set at 95% by our esteemed MP?
We cannot nor should not exceed that amount for fear of exaggeration.

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That post just goes to demonstrate, another know all, that knows sod all. Worlds full of em, even in Singapore, Bermuda, wherever.:rolleyes:

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Keep it up guys :rolleyes: I'm enjoying this ;)

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Dare I like the above? According to one person, that must have looked in great detail at your profile, I've liked you quite a bit already.
Well, go on then, I will, after all what is one more like amongst friends?

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The traditional thing is to just post a smiley eating popcorn, saves writing.

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when asked how much people thought MP's deserved as a payrise %95 said %95

i think %95 should be teh standard reply for hyndburn


how much would you like to see the town improved - %95

if kicked in teh balls how much will it hurt - %95

after a curry from blackburn road how much of your bowel is evacuated - %95

what are the chances of getting a parking ticket on blackburn road - Ahhh i see we have hit a problem with the %95 idea

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Many MPs have other jobs as barristers and company executives.

To many of them, their MP pay is 'pocket money'.
To see how prevalent this is, look at the Register of Members Interests.

The majority don't need or earn the rise, since the 'second job' that it is , does not represent a full time job. On the contrary, many use their positions as elected MPs to promote/enhance their other financial interests (lobbying).

Whilst we have broached the topic of 'member's interests', it may well be useful to look at the reasons why some members here have opinions they do.

'Follow The Money' seems to apply, especially when the opinions are expressed by a former offshore banking exec, who spent decades helping the filthy rich avoid tax.

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Not at all, what percentage of people booked for parking on Blackburn rd are white?
At least 95%.
It would be racist to book anyone else!

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Well there's less smoke in Bermuda and they have a better Civil Rights record...

Interestingly for a company that has received a $5 Million investment they have yet to make a Android App. hummm not very internet savvy

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Never been one for tradition Wizz ;)
Hen's teeth you'll be wanting me to wipe my feet when I come into the Railway next. :rolleyes:

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That would be strange, most of us wipe them on the way out.
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Boom Boom............:)

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Not at all, but prompted by you I did. Now we know where he got the money to buy Accy on the cheap. I thought Barclays paid better bonuses than HSBC though.:D

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I've read your febrile and foul mouthed rant on the alternative thread and would ask a chap such as yourself with a broad range of opinions in the forums ranging from the dubious to the odious.


"What would you put in place of our current parliamentary system?"

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Our system aint bad, its the way its carried out, by M.P.s of all persuasion thats in question, But meself i would start off wi honest people.;)

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i did have a long winded post with what were probabbly some half decent ideas but its late and iv cracked a few cans so i will simply say ..

its not the system thats the big issue its the crooks playing it so if anything all that is needed is a good old fashioned kull :)

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lets face it things are pretty bad in wesminster..

you cant go on holiday to america if you have a criminal record but you can go to court,be found guilty of lying and still hold a position in westminster.Get caught sleeping with prositutes and rent boys which many MPs donts eem to realise is illigal and still effect the way the country is run and make decsions on things like law.


criminal record should mean not able to stand for any level of politics or if already in politics and proven to have broken the law then said person expelled from politics

no need for second homes either iv got a great idea for that lol

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The fact that Less and Cashman's "credits" represents only the last 6 months makes it even worse. Lol, if all those posts were made in just the last 6 months then the situation for you is worse that I thought. Might want to think "why do so few people like what I have to say" and you can start by looking at the language and vitriol that you throw. As you can tell it doesn't matter to me what you think, but I'm sure it chases others away.

Research my Linkedin profile if you like Marge, you won't find anything adverse, and I've never been hiding so your "breaking news" is not news at all.

What you'll see is that I spent 12 years working for the Bank of England, left after it became the FSA, setup the compliance function at Standard Life bank in Edinburgh, spent 6 years as Head of Compliance at the Bank of Bermuda (taken over HSBC while I was there) and left 6 years ago to start my own businesses.

What you clearly don't understand is what the Head of Compliance does in a bank. That's rooting out crime, money launderers, theives and scum both internal and external who are trying to steal or launder cash through a bank. I prosecuted and imprisoned loads of criminals everything from Norad money to the IRA through to Miami drug runners. You'll note that when HSBC was done for Money Laundering offences in the USA, HSBC's Bermuda operation was entirely clean. USA authorities must have hated that because if they could have pinned something on Bermuda they would have.

To the pilot's point about an Android app, we would actually launch a product first and then release the Android app in much the same way that Boeing would build a 787 plane and test it before delivering to customers.......ah, sorry bad example please replace Boeing with Airbus.

In your communal attempts to attack what either I or my firm is doing it might be best if you learn about it first here A new name for a new concept: the TravelShark pivot | Tnooz

Now, where were we? Ah yes, MPs should be paid more not less.

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Shall I call you Grum (since you call me Marge)?
You have this way of denigrating women named Margaret which indicates total lack of respect, - typical of the self obsessed psycho method of attempting to gain advantage.

Whether or not your past occupation was legal you are trying to say you acted 'morally' to stop money laundering etc.

I consider that stance to be on a par with considering Fred the Shred for a sainthood.
There ain''t no saints in banking - just the P. R. jobs like yours to give the impression of morality, where there is none.

Bankers, past or present, are now recognised as the 'lepers' in our society.
You gained financially from actively participating in a corrupt system - and you expect me to respect you for that! - really?

I notice that you have mentioned your 'charitable works' and some are featured on video on your website.
The concept of 'Charidee' (Savile) has also been tainted by recent revelations. The 'easing of conscience' effect is now revealed for what it is - sham.

You were a banker - learn to forgive yourself for it - the public aren't likely to.

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Come on, it`s not that difficult, the post count is from when he joined the forum, 35,000 in 8 years = 4300 per year. The likes are from when the Like button was introduced 6 months ago currently 861 = 1,722/year. Makes approx 1 like to every 2.5 posts.

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I call you Marge because you don't like it. While you desperately seek some something negative towards me I shall treat you with a similar level of respect. Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself.

I have no regrets in relation to my former profession. Your sweeping statements show a level of ignorance about it that is staggering, but undoubtedly will be popular on this forum. Hardly representative of reality though.

I neither want, seek, nor expect to receive your respect.

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Margaret, please and I'm sure you really didn't mean to say the above but please don't tar all the hundreds of thousands of "bankers" who do a good honest job in what is an invaluable role in society. With out banks the world would be still in the stone age. I work with many truly exceptional people who really care from the front counter operations that most people see as their interface to the banking industry to the people behind the scenes needed to make such huge complex machines work.

The UK is blessed as a nation and far more prosperous than we would be if it was not for the financial industry and the UKs significant position in that market.

IN respect of the original argument, would I do the MP role for 75K? no thanks.. its not a 9-5 job in any way, you are responsible for the running of an organisation that financially is larger than any corporation(I can think of, have to also deal with armed threats to our security, have housing and social policys that are fair to all, decide on aspects so varied and important it will make your head spin yet we expect someone like Graham J who is an ordinary bloke with ( and with all respect) no specialist business r or pertinent skills to do this role? IMHO whilst sounding morally wonderful the idea that we place no actual test of ability on MPs to do the role they perform is ludicrous. no other job in the world works purely on you get it if you are popular....

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As one who trys to be such a clever begger, yer failure to understand what is actually said to yeh is amazing.:rolleyes:

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So let me get this straight, your saying the problem in developing a Smart Phone application which will work on multiple makes of phone is similar to the problems that occur to Aircraft Manufacturers (787 or 380, take your pick), when they are delevoping a brand new way of fabrication with a new type of material. And of course all the millions of money involved.
No wonder you have not developed a app for Android or BlackBerry, the costs involved must be staggering.
I wonder how your competitors did it?:rolleyes:

Back on subject I did suggest a few years ago that Guy Fawkes had a pretty good idea.

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So you are advocating murder on a massive scale eh? BG
Westminster blown sky high and the country in chaos.
The blast would have killed the king, his direct heir [eldest son Henry], the Privy Council, the law lords, the bishops,"

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Ahhhh point made D.

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I have a brother who had a career in banking. He passed ALL the subjects in the Institute of Bankers exams (I recall there were 20 or more) and followed those by gaining a banking diploma.
When he became a branch manager in his early 40s he was asked to be complicit in corrupt practice which was/is prevalent - he left banking.

You cannot convince me that the banking system has not corruption at the core of its operating practice -

Central Bank Corruption Insider Trading and Scandals

Banks | Global Witness

Banking scandal: 'the rot was widespread, the corruption endemic' | Vince Cable | Comment is free | The Observer

The moral corruption of the banks is poisoning society | Mail Online

To Entwisi - Is there really any excuse to participate? - that didn't provide an adequate excuse at Nurenburg. Participation implies complicity.

To Grum - I would find it embarrassing if you respected me - I don't seek it, and care nothing of your opinion of me.

You say that banking provides an essential function in our society - it has reduced populations to below poverty levels, yet you find it wholesomely acceptable - a better way of trading must be developed.

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Can't blame bankers Margaret, the worst thing we can continue to do – globally – is have children at the current rate. If the current global rate of reproduction continues, by the end of this century there will not be 10 billion of us, pushing more hapless souls below the poverty line*.

* measure that as you will.

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A bit like our very own acctyman the plotters left no definitive blueprint as to the way forward should their plan have succeeded. With Elizabeth as puppet queen, a new government would be formed - of whom is not known.

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The 'cull' is already underway surreptitiously - but that could provoke more lengthy deviations from this thread.

The Great Culling has begun: Will your genetic lineage survive?

Capitalism (banking and 'democracy') has mutated into a greed based system where the 1% flourish at the expense of the rest of us.

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Perhaps you have hit on a very important way of deciding who should and who should not get a pay rise?

It is a system that I and most long standing users of the internet take for granted, in fact only a few people take any real notice of it, however it may be the fairest way of judging our elected representatives.

When we have spent hours enthralled by the antics within the house on the BBC parliamentary channel we hit the red button go down a list of MP's present, (don't worry it is usually a very small list), and press the yellow button to select the MP we consider the best of the day?

Or would the MP's that don't get many likes become obsessive about the one's that have the most points and try to use the system against them?

Too trivial? a rather silly suggestion that what a person is like can be gleaned from this method?

Well yes, I think so as well, but there are some here in the virtual world that actually do attempt to use a little bit of fun just for that sort of purpose, are these people to be condemned or pitied for their stupid behavior?

I personally would pity anyone that thinks there is any importance whatsoever in such a system.

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Love one of the survival tips Margaret. Why did I think of you???

#9) Train yourself for mental adaptability. In order to survive, you must not allow yourself to ever be locked into the "tunnel vision" of narrow thinking. To survive, you must be able to adapt, solve problems, and use resources in innovative ways. Training for this can include solving mental puzzles (including playing "problem solving" puzzle video games), exploring the outdoors, learning new skills (such as juggling), and trying out new hobbies. Do not let your mind stagnate. You will need it to be flexible.

;)

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Goodness me, I made a joke, maybe a bit crass but there you go.
The whole of society is filled with corruption from MP's to Entertainment Celebs, I don't have the answer, I don't think anyone on here has.
I would not be a MP, they are underpaid, but seeing Westminster is full of those who are playing the system for what they can get, remember the Expenses Scandal? the public are not going to be happy with any pay increase.
Maybe the problem is with the type of people who want to enter politics?

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As far as i'm concerned "If were all in it together" as Cameron n his turds tell us, Then "Everyone" should get the same % rise, as fer who is underpaid/overpaid, thats a different question.;)

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And is that why you address me in the same manner?
This, despite my polite and respectful request for you not to use that term of address...and also despite the fact that I have never posted anything which was remotely disrespectful of you?

It seems to me that your perception of yourself is that you are far too good for this forum.......and there is nothing wrong in having a high opinion of yourself, if that opinion is justified.
Please don't expect us to share your elevated opinion of yourself......well, that is , not until you can be a bit more respectful in what you post.
(This does NOT mean I want you to have the same opinions as me.....or believe the same things. A diversity of opinions on a forum is what keeps it interesting)
Good manners costs nothing.

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for the record i aint a yorkshire man that T kinda insinuates i am lol :D

when teh monarchy was overthrown i dare say some people were wondering what would happen next but it turned out ok for a while.Sadly teh same greed and lust for power that teh monarchy had is now present in our government.Evey now and then its good to wipe teh slate clean and make a fresh start.A bit like formatting yor computer and upgrading the operating system.You dont know if its going to be any better but something new is needed or you get left behind

just a pitty this corrupt lot dont have a system restore to a previous date wher ethey had morals

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The problem with that cashy is 5% of nowt is nowt...while 5% of a million is worth having.
Belt tightening should be a universal pursuit...it should apply to everyone.

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Addendum to the above, instead of press the red button they put out one of those text voting thingamees, like for big brother.
Press MP#1 if you wish to vote for the Prime Minister.
Press MP#2 for the Home Secretary.
and so on down the list, this will make them performance related and remove the need for a pay rise.

The monies raised against the MP's number, say, £1 per text (paid by the sender), goes to them so the better they perform the more they make and only the idiots with more money than sense will be financing a better Parliament.
At the end of every week there could even be a vote for which MP should be evicted from the house, it works with BB it should make politics more interesting.
:D

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Yeh am well aware of that margaret, But its my opinion n what i reckon, I reckon many of the ordinary folks whilst not happy, would accept things better if the knobs got the same.;)

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Rightyo Mr a .... you have control of the red button and the time machine when would that date be? ;)

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just as an example of how corrupt this lot we have are does anyone remember the expenses scandal an dhow angry people were about it

some may be aware thaqt the person whos name i dont recall whos decision it was as to if criminal charges shoudl be brought forward was also entangled in the expenses scandal.If he had said yes to criminal charges been persued he himself would have faced been charged with fraud.theft of whatever so is it any suprise he made the decision that criminal charges not be pressed.

even if there was no solid plan in place shoudl they be chucked out surely we are better off without them

mind you teh fact that both me and cashman have said theres nothing wrong with teh system its them that are playing it that is the issue seems to have been overlooked and we are accused of having no alternative plan.We dont need an alternitive plan we need a fresh lot of MPs and a few tewaks here and there to deter corrupt or illigal actions by MP's

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good point best to format and start again :)

maybe even a linux version of parliament that isnt as vulnerable to outside interference and viruses

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If MP's got paid by results then they would be paying us.

They just don't get it!
We are still not 'over' the expenses scandal...well, perhaps some of us are...but I'm not.
I do not trust MP's...any MP's whatever their political persuasion.
The only MP I trust is myself...and there are times when I need watching!

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Can't deny they should be paid on attendance MP
As far as the expenses scandal what has anybody really, really done about it?
Zippo...
If it was Turkey or Egypt we'd be manning the barracades ...the French would have had the tumbrills greased and ready to go. ;)

Complacency gets you the officialdom you/we deserve or as my old mate Walter used to say " You pee with the hicks you've got" or something very similar. ;)

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He has a downer with the whole site, you are tarred with the same brush as all the other members of the site.
He believes none of us deserve respect or courtesy because we are so much below him and our opinions count for nothing.

He is of course right, I for one know my place and am pleased nay grateful that he wanders the town buying up all the properties our own Private Landlords don't want to touch with the proverbial barge pole.

I also wish him success in his venture though I do hope that when he calms down and realises what an ass he is making of himself he will learn a little humility towards the people of the town he is willing to buy, after all, he doesn't know whom may just be his potential customers...

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Agree with that

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Several years ago there had been a documentary on the House Of Lords, one of these men had a small flat in London and went home to his pile at weekends, during the week he would go to the house, sign in for his days pay (quite a large sum even back then), then he would turn around leave the building and spend the day at his club.
Anyone think our MP's would be above doing similar?
:o