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:drink: what is the government going to ban next? yes there are a lot of people out there who agree and a lot that dont.the do gooders have nearly got there way in banning a tradition that goes back to the egyptions.... HUNTING...something that has been the way of life for man since time began,today i picked up the paper and read that the vegitarians now want to ban fish and chips...can you believe it ...fish and chips what kind of pill...ks think these bans up, is there nowt better for people to do these days,they say that fish cod,haddock and so have feelings...what a load of cods..wallop if you where living off the sea and your child is hungary what would it be eat the fish are starve your kids? i know what my thoughts and doings would be.are the do gooders going to try and ban englands biggest sport...FISHING..either be course,game or sea fishing because thats where we are heading.

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its amazing that people can get what they want by money
and even sometimes without
it is a good point though what will they ban next
before you know it will be somat like basketweaving
'Needles have feelings so does wicker'

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listen to the news the next step is smoking.I agree it is a bad health risk but what happenned to the choice of free will.Talk about big brother is watching you.

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I fully agree with the smoking ban actually, at least in open public places. I hate walking down the street and breathing in someones second hand smoke. Or if I am standing at the bus stop and someone decides to fill the air with smoke. Their "free will" to smoke, pollutes my personal space.

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I am a smoker and i agree with you too.The thing i disagree with is that someone is takinga descision out of my hands.It starts off with small things and then we have a police state.

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I wouldn't deny you your right to smoke Mik if that's what you want to do, but if you choose to smoke next to me and I have to breathe in your smoke you are denying me my right to breathe clean air.

I don't think it's a small thing at all when it affects other people. When it doesn't affect other people then I agree with you, it's no-one else's business but your own. But of course no-one has banned you from smoking in private where it doesn't affect others.

This should sort out the anomaly in the Arndale centre now where the "smoke free zone" is full of smoke wafting from the open cafe.

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mik once stopped some people from getting mugged,went to the police training centre and got a tour they knew what you where doin in 1984.

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pixie if people want to smoke they will!if people dont they wont!but do you not think that the government sending all these warnings out on packets of fags ex..ex..ex why dont they just ban tobbaco, easy... cause the people who smoke are paying for the treatment of those that dont!!!!!

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sarnie boy can you imagine the gooddoers wireing up a tree and saying did you see that blip!!!!!!and the forest manager turning round and saying, dont cut that one down the tree felt it???????

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willow would love to give up smoking but !!!!not as stronged willed as others, but do you not think that the people above should not only ban it . they should also practice it.....they will be sat in the houses of parliment in there big leather chairs whisky in one hand and a big fat cigar in the other.hopeing that the taxes the smokers pay will cover more abnormalitys up!!!!

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SORRY BY THE WAY I DO SMOKE AND IF IT WASNT FOR THE PEOPLE BEFORE ME I WOULDNT!:p

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I am not trying to stop people from smoking if they choose to. However like Willow said, the moment that I have to breathe in your second hand smoke, you are taking away MY choice to breathe fresh air.

You are probably right that smokers are making a big contribution to the NHS in the amount of tax they pay on packet of fags. But someone has to pay for the cost of treating smoking related diseases don't they?;) Smokers are NOT paying for the treatment of those who choose not to smoke, saying that is just plain daft IMO.

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I have to agree with pixie, i dont smoke either and can not do with breathing in smoke it turns my stomach, but do agree with freedom of choice if you want to smoke i dont have a problem with it as long as it's not around me.If any of my visitors want a fag then they have to go out in the back yard, because thats my choice.If everone give up smoking then this country would be in real debt.So it's a no win situation.

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I'm with Janet - no visitor to my house is permitted to smoke inside the house. If they choose to smoke that's fine but I choose not to have them smoke around me. If they want to do it then they must go elsewhere, preferably far enough away for the smoke not to drift back into the house.

I also hate it when I'm in a "smoke free" part of a restaurant and the smoke from elsewhere drifts across contaminating my food. Smokers probably have no idea how the smoke in the air affects the food because they are so used to it being there but it can actually make a non smoker physically sick. Why should we have to endure our meal being ruined?

All I ask is that smokers do it somewhere where it isn't going to affect non smokers. If I chose to go into a smoke filled environment that would be my problem. At times when I have spent an evening in a smoky atmosphere the smell longers on my clothes and my hair and actually follows me into my house. The sooner I can wash everything the better. But again a smoker just wouldn't understand that because their clothes etc are permanently contaminated by the smell of stale tobacco.

If I did something which affected others and made them feel ill I wouldn't consider that I had a right to do it in their presence.

Oh and yes I do think it's hypocritical of a government to ban something which they probably continue to practice themselves.

As for the smokers paying the health costs of the non smokers I would love to know statistically how much is spent on smoking realted health problems in comparison to non-smoking related. I know the government gets a lot of revenue from taxation on tobacco products but I don't think it goes towards paying for my very rare visits to the doctor.

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A recent study by the university of York put the cost to the NHS of smoking at £1.7billion.
Duty on Tobacco in 1998-99 raised £8.9 billion for the exchequer. To this must be added the savings made because fewer smokers live past pensionable age.
(Source: BBC News)
It is also estimated that giving up smoking will eventually cost the NHS more, because the population will live longer and will require more expenditure in pensions, more provision of accommodation for the elderly and an increase in expenditure on age related health care.
As a smoker myself, I have no difficulty with people asserting their right to breathe fresh air and not to have to breathe in my smoke. I have always made it a point, when in company to ask if anyone objects to my smoking, to do so is merely good manners. However, I do not drive a car and I object most strongly to having to breathe in the exhaust fumes of other peoples cars as well as atmospheric pollution from a wide range of other sources beyond my control.
So while you non-smokers are smugly vilifying us smokers, perhaps you would like to consider our rights to breathe air free of carcinogens and brain damaging chemicals the next time you get in your cars. Perhaps you would like to consider walking rather than driving, after all walking is an excellent form of exercise. Perhaps that way we could reduce still further the drain on NHS resources.

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I have to agree with AB here. While everybody is asserting their right to fresh air there are other environmental pollutants to consider. The cost of obesity and alcohol related incidents and illnesses to the NHS is also great. Medical journals are currently focusing on obesity as it is one of the biggest killers bar smoking. I wonder how much tax from a Big Mac goes to the NHS. Maybe the government would be better taking VAT off the things that are essential ie clothing, feminine hygiene products (tampons etc.) and fresh food and upping the VAT on convenience food, fast food, cakes, biscuits, fizzy pop etc. The one thing I noticed in New Zealand was that all convenience and high fat foods are way more expensive than the fresh meat, fish, fruit and veg. It cost approximately £6.50 for a cake in their supermarkets that we would pay £3 for over here.:)

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I don't smoke and don't drive. I enjoy walking most places, and I find walking an easier way to get from A to B when you have a pram. Can I still smugly villify away?:D

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You might know the answer to this one Lettie. Is it true that young mums were blending Maccy D meals for their babies to eat or is it just an urban myth?

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Although I've never come across it, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Most babies are out of my contact once they're over 28 days old. It never fails to amaze me what people do to their babies and toddlers. How many babies do we see in town every day chewing away on a pastie? I call them Greggs dummies. How many do we see with ear piercings? There should be a law against getting your childs ears pierced under the age of 10. Sadly the Mac D thing is probably not an urban myth.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lettie I wonder how much tax from a Big Mac goes to the NHS. Maybe the government would be better taking VAT off the things that are essential ie clothing, feminine hygiene products (tampons etc.) :)

O.K. Lettie, this seems to be as good a day as any for a man to commit suicide, so as I stand on the stool & put my head in the noose just remember that it is only suicide if I jump off the stool myself, NOT if one of you enraged women kicks it from under me!
(That was just my way of saying you brought the subject up).

feminine hygiene products (tampons etc.) I don't think there is a woman alive that needs to be told that feminine hygiene products are, (tampons etc.).

If there is a man out there that is blissfully unaware of what feminine hygiene products (tampons etc.) are then why ruin his little bit of heaven by explaining what feminine hygiene products (tampons etc.) are? After all he is hardly likely to be of much assistance in convincing the government about removing V.A.T. from these items which are essential to approximately 50% of the population.

In the mean time, go for it girl get a campaign flooding the nation, free yourself from this extortionate shackle!

Good bye cruel world!:behead:
For what I'm about to receive may the Lord make me truly grateful :angel:

I love you all really :s_aim1:

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people should be able to smoke in the comfort of their home and car
It is their choice as of what they want to do
P.S im not a smoker im only 14

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As someone who is compelled to watch a lot of television, I have to say I am sick to the back teeth of having feminine Hygiene and it’s associated problems and products rammed down my throat morning noon and night. Is it really necessary? It is a matter of complete disinterest to me if you wet yourselves when you laugh or if a womans temperature rises “ever so slightly” when they are menstruating. I don’t need to know that, Thank you! Especially not while I am eating.
The same thing goes for those awfull “King of the Loo” ads, and the ones that use similar images to sell air freshners. There is something seriously dodgy about using images of defecating children to sell a product. I could quite happily strangle the woman who does the voice over for “Always Ultra”. You know, the Scottish one. She has one of the most annoying voices on television.

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Thank's A'Bob you are a pal, You'll certainly get any flak they were going to send in my direction.

:alright:

:worthy:

P.S. how come in the demonstrations they always use a blue colour?

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you have raised quite a point though there AB
its what people will do for money using children to advertise
and those always adverts
wow tampons with wings what happened to when advertising were as much as say what the product was and that was it

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I either wish they would take the adverts off altogether ( I mean its not like women don't know whats what) and stop trying to make it glamourous.

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No-one is saying otherwise, its the smoking in public places that annoys me.

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yes but cars are driving along public roads

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:smoky: at the end of the day we all know smoking is bad for you, but is going out to sea,to catch fish,or getting together with your mates and saddling up to take the dogs out to catch vermin.what about sat on the side of a lake taking in the scenery catching a few fish,what about the people who pay thousands of pounds to come over to GREAT britain to have a go at OUR -traditions.sit outside a supermarket breath in all the fumes and watch the people come out eating there goods before they have even got to there cars you wave at them knowing they live twenty yards round the corner.:ban:

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And your point...?

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:ban:BREATHING IN THE EXHAUST FUMES OR IF YOU LIKE EMISSIONS,IS FAR MORE CARCINOGENIC THAN CIGGARETTES

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That has already been pointed out, and I never said anything to the contrary...

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:ban:WASNT ME EITHER PIXIE I WAS JUST REPLYING TO YOUR REPLY WHO YOU WHERE REPLYING TOO....HE...HE

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This could go on for a while then...:D

Anyway back on topic.:p

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Confusing
Fair point though staggeringman

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:ban:WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THE HUNTING BAN???

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I think it is destroying our historical culture
Happy now?

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I have been smoking every day now for nearly 40 years & not only have I NEVER found it addictive, if my kids were alive today they would tell you secondary smoking never did them any harm.

:smoky::smokin::drunk::cheers:

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:o sorry about the replies in capitals didnt relize they where on!!

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smoking kills

obesity kills

Both cause the NHS vast sums.

Smokers pollute the air around them causing non smokers to breathe in their smoke.

Obese people do not exude fat causing thin people to absorb their excess adipose tissue.

I have absolutely no problem with smokers wishing to smoke in their own home/car etc and if I choose to go into that home then I do so knowing that I will breathe in the smoke. That's my choice. It's also my choice not to have smoke in my house.

All this law is doing is giving non smokers the chace to breathe clean air in public places. As a non-smoker I am not vilifying smokers. I will defend their right to choose to smoke just so long as it doesn't mean I have to breathe in the smoke. It could be an alternative solution for a public place to provide a "smoking room" with adequate ventilation so that the smoke didn't drift to the rest of the place.

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I wish this government would stop 'tinkering' with things.......I wish they would treat us all as adults......we make choices every day and some of these choices bring the chancellor a hefty wedge of money.......if we did all the things they want us to do we would all live longer and then they would complain that they have to pay more pensions......either that or they would have us work till we drop.
I am not a smoker......I drink very little alcohol and I expect to be made a saint sometime soon!

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it is rather alarming that there are all these ppl who with the correct amount of pressure are gettin their way whilst there are thousands who are against it. yet the opposition party fail to pick up on this and maintain a strong challenge

they're all too worried about staying mainstream.

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In any contest it seems to be that the noisy minority will always win out over the silent majority. As to the opposition, wasn't it said some while ago that New Labour was, in effect, more conservative than the Conservatives?

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:rolleyes: arnt all the partys the same bob only in for one thing ...(to see who can take the great off britain!)

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My dad always used to say that it was not worth voting since all the parties pee'd in the same pot. I have to say on the current showing I have to agree with him.

Did anyone see Newsnight on BBC2 last night. Paxman was doing a really nice hatchet job on Michael Howard. Interviewing people on the street in Cornwall, it emerged that most of them didn't know who Howard was. and the few who did know wish he wasn't. Bring back Boris I say, at least he's good for a laugh.

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Yep, I agree with you there A-B. I think we should bring Boris back, Yeah he made a mistake with the Liverpool comments, but what about the rest of them that continue to screw up in our name.........:)

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Is that BORIS Karloff???...now he really needs digging-up.

The other BORIS could be known as a PRATT...but he's too foolish!!

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Oh no its looks like i have started something off her albeit unwillingly.I agree with all of you.Mopre considerence for non smokers and smokers.My point is that i disagree with a Government taking away part of my free choice.I only wnat to know that if all smokers in Great Britain stopped tomorrow, which is what i think the Government are aiming for, how will they reimburse the lost taxes? As for the suggestion from Acrylic Bob, i agree with walking but then you have to forget all that revenue in petrol sales and the speeding fines.All in all i reckon we cannot win.But id do agree with the hunting ban.......... another topic?

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:drink: big mick if they ban hunting completely how many more people are going to be out of work?its not just about a group of rich aristocrats,if you take a step back and look you will see dog breeders,horse breeders,stable hands,horse racing over the jumps, it would affect a lot of people. what would the state of our countryside be in! every thing in life needs controlling,if you took your dog for a walk and it killed a cat or a rabbit and is seen doing so what are you going to say it was an accident, you wont be able to say anything because its the natural instinct of that animal.

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Yep, and not even everyone who rides to hounds is a rich aristocrat.

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Exactly what i am trying to say.Its alright banning stuff and some of it may be in good cause.But when you look behind the scenes at how many people and things are affected.Who is going to cull the foxes in future.After all they are a major carrier of rabies.Over here they put down poison bait in the form of chicken heads to keep the fox population down

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When people's pets are being killed/mutilated they may find they have a different point of view.

Do you remember when some 'kindly soul' freed all those mink? That hadn't been thought through at all.

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Hi Mic, Fox's in Britain are Rabies free and will hopefully remain that way subject to the frogs controlling there boarders.....That's enough to put the fear of god in to anyone, but that’s another storey. Yes they bate on the continent to both control number as well as rabies. That includes baiting with treated food pallets from Helicopters. The problem is that it is indiscriminate and many carnivorous beasties are killed as a result. The other problem is that Poisons tend to be delivered in small amounts that lead to many animals suffering from slow and painful deaths. The other suggested way of culling fox’s is by shooting. Again many die needless painful deaths as a result of idiots who have no idea of a clean kill.

What we tend to miss with the hunting issue is that it’s gone on as long as Christianity in this country longer…….And it’s never really been a problem for anyone. It’s not right to run a fox to ground, but it’s not right that now we have another b****y do gooder ban that will result in many fox’s suffering painful, often needless indiscriminate deaths……..One last point within 15 years you will see other groups asking for your support to save our dear fox’s from near extinction, who wins here??????

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I agree, but those people are incapable of thinking, their actions over the last decade such as digging up the deceased have shown them to have a brain on par with an amoeba.
How about retraining the beagles to track them down and tear them to shreds? :D

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They might have the amoeba's brain unfortunately they have a few human attributes as well e.g. arms & legs, an amoeba isn't capable of such desecration!

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I may be a bit naive on this rabies lark but when the chunnel was opened didn't that sort of automatically make us non-rabies-free? I mean how can you stop vermin from running through the tunnels? It's not all that far is it?

How can we claim to be rabies free now we have an open link to continental Europe?

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Please do not refer to them as vermin to be politically correct they are known as:-

ASYLUM SEEKERS.

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So that's why they head for the UK - they've heard it's a madhouse! :p

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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: You are on top form tonight Less (as usual)

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:drink: do the people realise that when they see all those dogs chasing a fox,that when caught it is killed instantly. that is one fox that as been targeted for that hunt.The hunt will then go to to the pub for a beer and a natter whilst another fox takes up residence in the dead foxes den.yes it seems unfair but that is the cycle of life.what will the public think when all those dogs have to be put down along with the horses.does slitting an animals throat until it bleeds to death not seem cruel.....YES...but they call that halal and people get away with it, just like the jews get away with how they slaughter there animals.:(

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Ah but you are being logical Staggeringman.

How much logic is there in the minds of people who will send letter bombs to people they suspect of working in animal research - letter bombs which could be opened by innocent children?

Fox hunting is a far more humane way of dealing with them than poisoning or shooting (for reasons previously stated elsewhere)

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its not only the hunting side of things willow it was quoted in the papers today, they have been dragging this on for seven years,whats not broken should not be tampered with unless it affects the safety of other people then the matter should be hit head on and dealt with immiediatley. how much are we paying these fat cats for such trivial matters,when we have men and boys doing there dirty work in a war torn country?

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Let's face it they say this is a much more effective way of killing the fox than shooting, well how about this for an Idea? Lets announce a massive meeting where all the foxes & all the huntsmen , dog, farriers, horses everything can gather all together, hey lets not stop at that , grouse, 12 bore owners game keepers then NUKE the sons of bi*ches, that will do the environment a world of good won't it? (Sorry forgot about us smokers as well)!

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Let's face it we are all suffering from the Holier than thou effect that was most prevelent when the puritans during Cromwells time were in power. Instead of tolerating each others faults we all expect every-one else to conform with our idea of what is right.

:behead: (if we had a smilie for burning witches I'd have put that on).

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Is this 1984 20 years too late?

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Bl***y hell Less, does this mean we're buddies.............:confused: :o I forgive you Less - but only if I win.........:rolleyes:

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excuse me? Doug, are you forgetting your role? We are supposed to be good cop, bad cop, no where in the contract does it say we agree with each other, (excuse me whilst I spit)..........:cool:

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Thank god for that.......I thought it was all falling apart then ;) I hope your not going to just leave that spittle where it landed. We do have ladies walking around here you know. :o

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As an ex smoker who started many years ago, as a 12yr old at Rhyddings, (1 single No6 and 2 matches) from the newsagents on Union Rd to smoking my way across every continent and being a verment "its my right to smoke". Now having given up for 6yrs I have never felt better and I can now do things I never thought I would, thats just the healthy side, also look at how much money I have saved.

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look at it anothere way look how much you lost the government.

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look at it anothere way look how much you lost the government.Today 18:31

After reading the thread I realise that banning anything thats good for some and bad for others is always going to be controversial but all tests,reports and studies state that smoking kills and its the goverment mandate to protect the people, here in Florida they banned smoking two years ago in all public places, bars, resturants there was an outcry you woundnt belive all this human rights being violated, bar owners saying they would be out of business etc and guess what the reports say they havent had a year like it before, now they are saying they should have done it years ago. A friend of mine runs a Britsh pub here and last week he was looking to expand 2 years ago he was thinking of selling. Its time to get out of the old idea you knew someone who smoked 40 capstan full strength every day and lived to be 80, my mum smoked embassy and lived to be 55!!!

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Banning anything is a politicians way of opting out of facing reality. We seem to have developed a "Banning" culture.

We need less rules and more common sense.

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Picking up on what Bazf has to say about the negative effects of smoking on health, I thought I should contibute this. I have been smoking since I was Seventeen. I have tried everything available to try and stop - honest. and none of it works. Two years ago I had a heart attack. There were grave faced doctors gathered around the bed when they gave me the prognosis. "Your heart attack has caused 30-40% of damage to your heart. You may also have atherosclerosis, though we can't be sure. You had better give up smoking now or you will have another one, which will kill you. And you must take the cocktail of drugs that we will now prescribe for you, for the rest of your life".

Fair enough, I thought I will make another effort. I lasted six weeks. I also took the drugs prescribed. They cost me £30.00 per month and caused such horrific and painful side effects that I stopped taking them after two months. Because I stopped taking the drugs the NHS has effectively washed it's hands of me. They will treat me in an emergency, of course, but any long term management is out of the question. As is any thought of assesment and referral to Blackpool for further treatment.

So, after a week off to recuperate, I went back to work and I do as much now as I did before the heart attack, remember my heart is now only working at 60% efficiency and my arteries are hardening daily.
I smoke as many fags as I did before. I am not on any medication. and yet when I had my blood pressure and pulse taken yesterday my pulse was 73bpm. and blood pressure was 127/78. I FEEL FINE. But if the doctors had their way, I would be £1000 poorer, I would be tied to taking medication to counteract the side effects of the medication they prescribed, which would lay me open to an even greater risk of further heart attack and possible cancer(I've read the reports on "Statins", lots of them). I would also be tied into the NHS dependancy cycle.

According to my GP I should now be DEAD! Instead, I am starting a new business venture in Blackpool, which opens next month.

The health effects of Smoking are, generally, bad. But they are not as bad as the Health Fascists would have you believe. Remember, they have a vested interest in keeping you dependant on them. Remember also, it was a respected Doctor who proclaimed a link with MMR and Autism for no other reason than to promote his own ineffective cure, thus putting all our children at risk. Remember also that another noted GP's solution the increasing cost of caring for the elderly was an injection of Dia-morphine.

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In some cases I'd be inclined to agree with you but unfortunately common sense doesn't tend to prevail.

Being in a restaurant enjoying a meal which is suddenly ruined by people at another table who have finished their meal and consider it "common sense" to then light up and waft their smoke over our table leaves me asking whose rights are being violated by whom.

The point about the MMR vaccine is a good one A-b and I can see why you wouldn't want to be dependant on a nicotine substitute instead of on cigarettes. However, it wasn't clear to me whether the "cocktail of drugs" related to your heart attack or to the giving up of smoking. My late husband (who was diabetic and insulin intollerant) took a "cocktail of drugs" which effectively kept him alive and he was very grateful for them. His death (in hospital) was totally unrelated to them or the diabetes but that's another story.

If medication is prescribed following a heart attack I wouldn't recommend anyone just giving it up because of the cost. You may feel fine but does that mean that everything IS fine? I certainly hope so but a friend of mine felt "perfectly fine" the day he set out for work and dropped dead before he even got there.

Don't the cigarettes themselves lay you open to the possibility of further heart attacks and cancer? Three of my grandparents and my mother-in-law all died of cancer. I was too young to know much about the suffering of my grandparents who all died within 6 months of each other when I was 4 years old. They were all 3 in different hospitals at one point which must have been horrendous for my parents. I did witness the suffering and decline of my m-i-l and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I don't think the stories are idle scaremongering by people with an ulterior motive. And on a purely selfish note I have no wish to die from the effects of "passive" smoking.

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I don't think that the cost of heart attack drugs is the issue here. All drugs have side effects and some people have worse side effects than others. When you end up having to take multitudes of drugs in order to combat the side effects of others it's a pretty poor do. Several years ago I went on holiday and it was recommended that I take anti malarials. They made me really sick to the point where it was ruining my holiday and I stopped taking them. I didn't get malaria, had a great time and took sensible precautions to avoid the mosquitos. There are alternatives available to drugs. Some people will take nothing, some will go for holistic therapies etc. The drug companies will pooh pooh the idea of anything different because of the loss of money for them that these therapies or doing nowt will entail. Doctors aren't licensed to provide alternatives so they have to go with conventional medicine. What people tend to forget is that everybody is different and what will work for one person will not work for another.

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I take your points Willow. I think that what I am arguing for here is a good dose of common sense. We all make choices about the way we live our lives and what we choose to put into our bodies. The important thing is that these should be informed choices.

I think I have a fair idea of what my choice to continue smoking is doing to my body. I also have direct, first hand experience of what the drugs prescribed by doctors did to me following the heart attack. Yes, perhaps continuing to smoke does not alleviate the threat of further heart attacks or the onsett of cancer. But it doesn't increase the likihood either, which, according to my reading on the subject, Statins would. The cost of the medication was a mere corollary and nothing to do with my decision to stop taking them. The side effects and the increased risk were the real reason.

We all have stories of family or friends who died in unpleasant circumstances. That is part of the tragedy of life; a quiet death at home, is a rarity.

The living of life and squeezing every drop of pleasure and benefit out of it has to be the most important thing. I do not think that a life lived principally in fear of what might happen is a life "lived" at all.

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:eek: One of my mates and his son took there dogs out for a walk yesterday over chorley,they have three dogs,two lurchers and a little terrier,the terrier was running around the field and the lurchers were on leads.Wasnt long before the police came and arrested them for poaching in pursuit of game!! How could a terrier be in pursuit of game?The two lurchers were on leads so they wernt going to catch out,and the terrier would never have caught a rabbit or a hare!the mind boggles.if an emergency had arisen how long would it have took the police to react to that?

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Errm actually terriers are bred for ratting and rabbiting. Acrylic-Biff, The Terrier With Attitude, is very proud of his hunting abilities. He displayed them today while we were out walking in Clayton. A happy, bouncy little squirrel ran right in front of his nose - not a flicker of interest. But you show him a rat or a rabbit and he moves like Sh-one-t off a shovel. Vrooom and he's gone! Blink and you'll miss him.

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so that is dinner sorted then eh! a-b

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Quiet. Do you want everyone to know.

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:drink: if its edible eat it! used to go fly fishing(sorry less not for bluebottles)before i had an accident and give all the trout to the people who i knew would enjoy it!I still see today people bring in veg off their allotments and swapping it for a pheasant or a odd rabbit.A fairer and more economical way to trade eh A-B.!!

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no VAT either

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or income tax...

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:thepint: anyone going rabbitting this week got a good recipe but need the big furry rats!:rofl38:

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19th February http://www.countryside-alliance.org/...bbothound1.jpg Hunts will meet as normal on 19th February

Over 250 packs of foxhounds, hare hounds, deer hounds and other hunts and clubs will meet as normal on Saturday 19th February, the day after the Hunting Act comes into force in England and Wales

up and at them!

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If anyone wants the sight address for the countryside aliance and wants to have a look into the other half here it is!



http://www.countryside-alliance.org/

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Willow I respect your wiews of all you have said. I myself am a very heavy smoker.. Nevertheless, I don't like to upset anyone else because of it. As for your thought that you don't want to die of passive smoking, I can assure you that that with all the laws in place at the present time it would be a sheer impossibilty. It wouldn't matter if you got three or four wiffs a day of ciggy smoke it would probably take a 4 or 500 years to die of passive smoking. You would have to be in it all day. 24/7/52. Yes sure I know it's not pleasant sniffing it, and I for one would not want you to, but we have to be realistic in the sense that if passive smoke is harmful then think of the full amount that is breathed in by the smoker. Actually it seems I am lookin for excuses here . No I'm not. I don't think that non-smokers should be subjected to any cigarette smoke whatsoever. But lets face it, we can all of us sit in a little outside cafe and enjoy lunch and enjoy all the fresh vehicle fumes together. You know the ones I mean. The ones that we can't smell, see, or notice that are far worse than passive smoking will ever be, and it wouldn't bother us a shmuck, and still think we are living in a healthy manner.
P.S. I still love you Willow :)

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One reason I don't sit on those benches in front of the Town Hall in the nice weather is that they are facing the road and I can smell the traffic fumes which I don't find at all pleasant. I prefer to choose not to smell or breath in things which I find unpleasant never mind whether or not they are harmful.

Yes of course the smoker is taking in far more smoke that the "couple of whiffs" or great billowing clouds that I get second hand but my point there is that I don't want it. The smoker wants it. They choose it. I have it thrust upon me even though I don't want it.

I used to work opposite someone who chain smoked and all during that time I had a persistent cough. When I was transferred the symptoms eased off and then disappeared. His smoking made me suffer. I just don't see it as acceptable. I don't object to what smokers choose to do to themselves, only what they do to others who have no option but to suffer it.

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As I said Willow I accept everything you say. If you were in my company ,I simply wouldn't subject you to my habit. End of story. I still love you:)

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:D went to see the hunt at gargrave near skipton on monday the 27th what a brilliant sight, there must have been 700 people there to watch it!There was also about 100 on horse back dressed accordingly,Dont know if any foxes where caught? but to see people from all walks of life enjoying a tradition that goes back years was brill.I would highly recommend it for anyone who enjoys the country side to go and watch the next time one is on!

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Well, i for one hope that no foxes were caught.It is a cruel and barbaric sport.

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so is two people in a boxing ring knocking chunks off each other,what about formula 1,also the isle of man t.t races,what about bullfighting,what about your curries made from halal,what about your sunday joint,all the people of africa and around the world that are starving to death,what about the people of the tradgedy thats just occured ....mmm yes lets save a rodent!!!

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shoot them all

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I have no objections to any sport's such as boxing,motor sports in fact anything that involves consenting adults who wish to compete. Animals dont have any choice in the matter.

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And of course don't forget to tilt your cap to the Lord o the Manor while he rides past and covers you in sh*t, of course everyone has there place and if your talking about tradition I'm pretty sure that they never invited the local landlord/commoners/servants to ride.
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Placing animals on the same level as humans just makes me puke. An animal has 4 uses:

1) To be eaten by us (i.e.Chicken)

2) Ornament (dog, cat)

3) Tool (horse, dog)

4) Part of the extended food chain for the above 3

Anything else and it's vermin, i.e. Fox, so I see no reason why we can't have some enjoyment while at the same time controlling this pest. I was at the hunt with Staggeringman and I can only say it was a truly delightful morning out.

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Your such a caring man tea.

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I know, Janet. Too caring at times.

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Good to see that you have not changed over the festive season tea. lol