Originally Posted by umpire (Post 1072456)

I've seen a simple solution to this problem.
During foot and mouth and mad cow, government decreed that all cattle should be computer tagged and traceable. Therefore all the border agency needs to do is give each illegal imigrant a cow to look after, trace the cow et voila!!

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1072466)

Nice Idea, except, is this fair on the cow?

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1072112)

'The Labour Party of 1945 was pretty Left-wing. But it was patriotic, Christian and genuinely working-class. It hated cheats and it loathed crime. Several members of the Labour Cabinet of 1948 voted to keep the death penalty. It did not support immigration. It set up the NHS to care for hard-working people whose illnesses were in many cases caused by that hard work. It was (rightly) deeply suspicious of the first steps towards creating what is now the EU. It supported grammar schools, seeing that they gave the children of the poor a ladder out of that poverty. It favoured strong national defences.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1072529)

Barrie, the Windrush came from the carribean(I'm sure you know that) and brought immigrants who were(at that time needed) to fill job vacancies caused by the loss of young men in the war......these people integrated quite well......many of them were Christians and had little or no difficulty with religious/cultural issues. I'm sure that some of them were met with hostility...but many of them weren't because they did jobs where they were valued....and they were seen as being necessary, rather than taking jobs that the indigent population needed.

The scenario today with immigrants is very different....it was something that was wilfully done to change the fabric of life in Britain.......it didn't make us multicultural(but it did make many Brits feel resentful) because it was done far too fast and without any thought for the consequences.
We have always been a country of 'mixed breeds' but the mixxing was done over centuries rather than decades.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1072512)

The usual crap - have you never heard of the MV Empire Windrush and her passengers arriving in UK in 1948:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1072616)

and with reference to that article, isn't it what many of us have been saying for such a long time...that the major parties hold the electorate in contempt, and yet dyed in the wool Labour/tory supporters still flock to vote for the party which despises them and treats them like lackeys.
Isn't this why democracy(if ever there was such a thing) is treated with suspicion, isn't it why the levels of voters have fallen at each election...it isn't apathy, but distrust of the political system.

If you feel that your vote means nothing, will change nothing, then why would you give it to a party that values it so lightly? Promises much and delivers nothing...or certainly nothing that was promised to them(EU referendum).

Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1072657)

Guinness your attacking the author as oppose to the contents.

I wouldn't care less if Bin Laden wrote it, the article still makes a valid point.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1072656)

I take your point Margaret, but you really shouldn't use this muppet to evidence your argument. :D

Peter Hitchens found his niche at the Daily Mail.

The archetypical bandwagon jumper, so many things are incorrect or skewed in that piece. The simple fact that C'mon used him as an argument should be clanging alarm bells. It's a typical rabble rousing Daily Mail invective.

As an example, look at his first paragraph 'How long does it take for the penny to drop? It is amazing how slow voters have been to see that the two major parties have been stolen from them, and are now their enemies'

Answer...for most of us the penny dropped a long while before he wrote this piece, hence the drop in people voting for the past 20 years..just where has he been living?

Don't forget this is the guy who said that sex education was responsible for teenage pregnancy and STD's....:rolleyes: