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Barrie Yates 12-10-2013 11:11
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079227)
so...now this schools uniform policy has been shot to pieces by these boys...how long will it be before some boys or girls flout the uniform/dress/behaviour policy by going to school with blue hair..or a wild haircut...and thy cite some bit of ECHR policy and are allowed to get away with it?

When these muslim boys first joined the school, they would have been made aware of uniform/behaviour policy...but I guess at 11 the parents didn't think of the hairy faces they might have in a few short years time.
They should have been told to move schools...to schools which feel comfortable with such things.
This decision undermines the authority of the school and its governors.
Facial jewellery, Goth make-up and clothing, pupils able to wear what they like, Crucifix and Star of David necklaces, Muslim females allowed to wear burkhas etc - where is it going to end?

GJWatson 12-10-2013 11:18
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There aint no Great in Britain anymore

maxthecollie 12-10-2013 11:20
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wait until we get our muslim government

Restless 12-10-2013 12:47
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Taking it a bit too far..


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8...0877a41c_z.jpg

Look mostly white religions to me...

Margaret Pilkington 12-10-2013 13:10
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Rob, just because it is like that now doesn't mean it is going to stay that way.

jaysay 12-10-2013 13:14
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1079186)
What's annoying about this whole debacle is that the parents of two kids have held a whole school to ransom on the grounds of religious belief.

Ok, fine....but..

Eid means shutdown for Blackburn school (From Lancashire Telegraph)

A whole school is closed because the majority will truant because of the parents religious beliefs...what about the minority who will not truant, whose parents don't share those beliefs and are trying to earn a living, but will have to arrange and pay for childcare or lose 3 days wages.

This is what winds people up...it's always a one way climbdown...it's all give..give..give..and no take!
That's why they say Britain is such a great place Guinness, we have a give and take society, We give and every other beggar takes:mad:

lancsdave 12-10-2013 13:17
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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1079255)
Crucifix

As it's a Roman Catholic school then all pupils should be able to break the banning of jewellery rule. For religious reasons of course :)

lancsdave 12-10-2013 13:19
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1079186)
What's annoying about this whole debacle is that the parents of two kids have held a whole school to ransom on the grounds of religious belief.

Ok, fine....but..

Eid means shutdown for Blackburn school (From Lancashire Telegraph)

A whole school is closed because the majority will truant because of the parents religious beliefs...what about the minority who will not truant, whose parents don't share those beliefs and are trying to earn a living, but will have to arrange and pay for childcare or lose 3 days wages.

This is what winds people up...it's always a one way climbdown...it's all give..give..give..and no take!
Try taking your kids out for a holiday and see what happens :rolleyes:

jaysay 12-10-2013 13:21
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Originally Posted by JCB (Post 1079218)
Yes , and for the Hyndburn Council ward of Spring Hill , where I live , and for the LCC ward of Accrington West .

I look forward to speaking to him if he comes knocking on my door asking for my support when he is next up for re-election . ;)

Reading between the lines , I think that the school governors were prepared to stand by their policy , having had the pupils taught in isolation and then excluding them from the school and not allowing them to return unless they were clean shaven .

Why the U - turn ? I am sure that the intervention of the Bishop of Salford , within whose diocese Accrington is situated , has been crucial .

From the BBC website I quote : " The Bishop of Salford advised governors to work with the Islamic community and "support boys who are genuinely and fully committed to their faith".

It's fine for the bishop to start dictating from his ivory tower in Wardley Hall , Worsley , but this mess is just playing into the hands of such as are to be found in the BNP and EDL , and this whole business can have done nothing but harm to relations within the school and to the morale of the staff and governors .

Not a very happy situation . :mad:
As you know Colin I'm a left footer but I don't always agree with what we are supposed to adhere too, this is another person getting involved without a clue of the ramifications, just like the Pope really on things like birth control, I can't be doing with anybody making the rules when they don't play the game.

jaysay 12-10-2013 13:24
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Originally Posted by GJWatson (Post 1079256)
There aint no Great in Britain anymore
There ain't been a Great Britain for a long time now Mr. G;)

Shurm 12-10-2013 19:46
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The thing that gets me is whether your talking religion or ethnic origin these people make up about 2% of the population yet we bow down every time something upsets them. I like the Australian ideal of if you don't like it here leave.



http://silentsspeech.wordpress.com/2...does-it-again/

Shurm 12-10-2013 19:59
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The above is meant to be a hoax though but sounds good to me :D

Margaret Pilkington 12-10-2013 20:50
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I like the Australian ideal too...and it was said by an Australian politician.

Aussie Irene 13-10-2013 06:30
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079377)
I like the Australian ideal too...and it was said by an Australian politician.

Margaret, it was a hoax. It first circulated by email in 2009, and was supposed to be stated in a speech by then the Prime Minster at the time, Kevin Rudd. The exact speech did the rounds again last year, but this time Julia Gillard has been given the honour of making it.

No present Australian politician, apart from Pauline Hanson, would have the guts to come out with a speech like that. They are no different here than in the uk. They just feather their own nests, then clear off with a big fat super package

GJWatson 13-10-2013 08:43
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079274)
Rob, just because it is like that now doesn't mean it is going to stay that way.
Ya only have to look at the local councils up and down the country but it will happen, your right

jaysay 13-10-2013 08:49
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Originally Posted by GJWatson (Post 1079412)
Ya only have to look at the local councils up and down the country but it will happen, your right
You can also take a look at the parties on any council, they are all usually have Asian representatives within their structure making sure they can influence whoever runs the council:rolleyes:

walkinman221 13-10-2013 20:30
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1079269)
Taking it a bit too far..


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8...0877a41c_z.jpg

Look mostly white religions to me...
You can have white Muslims as well Rob , you shouldn't judge peoples religions by the colour of their skins:rolleyes::rolleyes::hidewall::hidewall:

Margaret Pilkington 13-10-2013 21:04
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Originally Posted by Aussie Irene (Post 1079406)
Margaret, it was a hoax. It first circulated by email in 2009, and was supposed to be stated in a speech by then the Prime Minster at the time, Kevin Rudd. The exact speech did the rounds again last year, but this time Julia Gillard has been given the honour of making it.

No present Australian politician, apart from Pauline Hanson, would have the guts to come out with a speech like that. They are no different here than in the uk. They just feather their own nests, then clear off with a big fat super package
I don't care if it was a hoax..... it was a damn fine sentiment!

Restless 13-10-2013 23:28
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1079523)
You can have white Muslims as well Rob , you shouldn't judge peoples religions by the colour of their skins:rolleyes::rolleyes::hidewall::hidewall:
HAR HAR. Whats the chances of a room with a few hundred white people of em all being muslims?

accyman 14-10-2013 09:39
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apparantly theres been a lot of trouble at the school since these boys and their beards returned resulting in police presence

yet agan a small few cauing a lot of fuss and trouble becaus ethings arnt been done how they want them to be done

Greeny 14-10-2013 11:39
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the sad thing to me is that the pupils have won or so it seems to me.I thought this head teacher was sticking ti his guns through hell and high water , looks like the pressure is on.It is so unfair .

accyman 14-10-2013 12:07
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of course the muslims won did anyone expect any different of an outcome

a woman was sacked from manchester airport i think it was for wearing a cucifix yet my passport was checked by a woman wearing a burkah so its pretty clear how thigs work out in things liek this


in fairness to the head teacher he probbably backed down because he knows that not backing down would lead to mass protests outside the school which is standard procedure when a muslim gets offended especially when offended and not bowed down to

its disgusting and shamefull and the parents of these boys shoudl be ashamed of themselves for agreeing to the terms of teh school then expecting their acceptance to be forgotten when their boys started needing a shave

accyman 14-10-2013 13:44
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Just remebered that not too long ago a young local boy was forced to cut his hair brades (exscuse spelling on that) despite it been part of his culture so why could the young boy not keep his hair yet these boys can ?

Big Dave 14-10-2013 13:52
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How is it that white indigenous non Muslim British people have to change their way of life to accept that ethnic minorities must be allowed to continue their way of life unchanged East Is East and West is West and never the twain will agree.

Restless 14-10-2013 14:01
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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 1079573)
a woman was sacked from manchester airport i think it was for wearing a cucifix
You failed to add that she won the court battle and was awarded 32k euro in compensation.

accyman 14-10-2013 14:14
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1079585)
You failed to add that she won the court battle and was awarded 32k euro in compensation.
still got sacked and forced to take legal action despite trying to talk reason to her employer and put through what was most likely a very stressfull time with the national press and a court case to contend with which incidently took quite along time to sort out.

they wouldnt have dared let it get that far with a muslim

stop bowing down to any religeon they either do as the rules say or walk away if they are offended and go elsewhere where people are just as guillable as they are

Margaret Pilkington 14-10-2013 14:33
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My view on this is, that the muslim boys should have been told to either accept the values of the school as a whole, or find somewhwere else to be educated.

This is another case where the rules are in favour of the few at the expense of the many...and it is not good enough.
We are supposed to tolerate their culture(and it is a cultural rather than a religious issue - nowhere in the holy book does it state that growing facial hair is mandatory), but tolerance is a two way thing, and nowhere in this do I see any tolerance of the schools well publicised policy on dress and uniform

accyman 14-10-2013 14:43
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the rules wernt in favour of the few teh rules catered for catholic education

what has happened here is that the rules have been changed for the few so i guess it will be ok now if any girl that decides they want blue hair to go ahead and dye their hair with no fear of reprocussion because rules are made to be broken

well thats teh message been sent here

teenagers are teenagers no matter what faith they are and its a certainty they dont care about what their faith may or may not say but purely a case of beating the system and spitting in authorities face

what if they had decided teh school uniform wasnt to tehir liking would they be allowed not to wear a uniform ? Im curious as to how far an established organisation will bend for a few because i dont recall it been an issue before and im pretty sure they arnt teh first muslim males ever to attend that school.

certainly wernt allowed beards at moorhead and tehre was more than plenty of muslim males there when i was there so why is it only now therees an issue and not before ?

could it be that someone is just been awkward and deliberatly difficult ?

Margaret Pilkington 14-10-2013 14:55
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It is so that they have an outward display of their culture.......wearing the niqab is just the same.....it is people from the muslim community that are in effect saying 'up yours' with your rules.
They do not wish to integrate or become part of the community, whether that be school of the community in general.

If they do not like the rules, then they should be allowed to leave and go where the rules favour them or suit them better.

yerself 14-10-2013 15:29
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
If they do not like the rules, then they should be allowed to leave and go where the rules favour them or suit them better.
I found this place whilst browsing the web, should suit them to a T.

Its Beautiful – Its Pakistan
Pakistan was created in the Indus Valley specifically to provide the Muslims of South Asia with a state of their own, and there are very few countries where religion plays such an important role in the lives of people.

jaysay 14-10-2013 17:12
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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1079595)
I found this place whilst browsing the web, should suit them to a T.

Its Beautiful – Its Pakistan
Pakistan was created in the Indus Valley specifically to provide the Muslims of South Asia with a state of their own, and there are very few countries where religion plays such an important role in the lives of people.
Why should they bother yerself when they've turn Britain into a state of their own, its quite obviously us brits have to except we've been sold down the river, because if we don't let them get their way, they play the race card and call in the European Human Rights brigade:mad:

Margaret Pilkington 14-10-2013 19:13
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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1079595)
Its Beautiful – Its Pakistan
Pakistan was created in the Indus Valley specifically to provide the Muslims of South Asia with a state of their own, and there are very few countries where religion plays such an important role in the lives of people.
Of course it's beautiful, they're all over here living in Bradford, Bingley, Burnley, Rochdale and surrounding districts.

Shurm 14-10-2013 19:26
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I'm certainly not a racist (I think most people say this before they say something that could be construed as :D) but you only have to read this Forum to realise most people on here have the same view no matter what our background. We don't mind other cultures or religions but some of these don't realise it's them that should be more tolerant of our culture and religion.

Whilst we sit back they push every rule every law every establishment, there must come a time when people say enough is enough in a firm way otherwise the inevitable will happen and these people will be governing us locally in some shape or form and guess who won't be tolerant then :(

Most of us just want a quiet life and to get on with our own things but a lot of these people are extremist and will not stop to they gain control unfortunately.

However like a mentioned before how can only 2% of the population and then only a small % of them cause so much unrest and push things like they do and still get away with it :confused:

keith higson 14-10-2013 23:49
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After reading the blogs on this it would appear that the racial intolerants are out in force, shame on you. Modst people have no say in where and into what religion they are born into, with most of the comments being racial no wonder other people of different religions etc get the ****s.

accyman 15-10-2013 00:47
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Originally Posted by keith higson (Post 1079636)
After reading the blogs on this it would appear that the racial intolerants are out in force, shame on you. Modst people have no say in where and into what religion they are born into, with most of the comments being racial no wonder other people of different religions etc get the ****s.
People may not get a choice on what faith they are born into but everyone has a choice on how they act

these boys and their parents have acted shamefully and in a very disrespective manner towards a school that accepted them despite them not been of the same faith the school is ran under .

ps:

this isnt a race issue its a faith issue and yes im a little bit faithist but i think all faiths are pretty bad so please dont be thinking im pro-christian im actually pro-sod teh lot of them

Gremlin 15-10-2013 07:08
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I think that the saga of the bearded children is all part of the overall plot to totally dominate our (once) wonderful Country.
The graves of my ancestors are looking markedly disturbed with the turning over of the occupants.

Margaret Pilkington 15-10-2013 07:18
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Originally Posted by keith higson (Post 1079636)
After reading the blogs on this it would appear that the racial intolerants are out in force, shame on you. Modst people have no say in where and into what religion they are born into, with most of the comments being racial no wonder other people of different religions etc get the ****s.
You are right about being born into a religion and having little choice over it....but tolerance goes two ways and in these cases only one side is being tolerant....and it isn't the religion which begins with an M.

I do not care what colour or creed someone is as long as they get on with their lives and let me get on with mine.
I do care that these people who can flaunt thier culture and circumvent rules on how they dress in school, courts, banks and other establishments that require certain codes of behaviour to apply...codes of behaviour which we ALL have to follow.......I also despise those who quell these discussions, by labelling any dissention as racist.

Britain has long been a place of tolerance...but to get tolerance you have to give tolerance to others too.

Margaret Pilkington 15-10-2013 07:20
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Keith...I note that you live in Austraila.....a wonderful place to be, where there are strict controls over who comes into, and goes out of the country...therein the difference lies.
You have very little idea of what it is like to live here now, and are in a poor position to comment on what is happening in a local Catholic School.

jaysay 15-10-2013 17:23
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Originally Posted by Shurm (Post 1079618)
I'm certainly not a racist (I think most people say this before they say something that could be construed as :D) but you only have to read this Forum to realise most people on here have the same view no matter what our background. We don't mind other cultures or religions but some of these don't realise it's them that should be more tolerant of our culture and religion.

Whilst we sit back they push every rule every law every establishment, there must come a time when people say enough is enough in a firm way otherwise the inevitable will happen and these people will be governing us locally in some shape or form and guess who won't be tolerant then :(

Most of us just want a quiet life and to get on with our own things but a lot of these people are extremist and will not stop to they gain control unfortunately.

However like a mentioned before how can only 2% of the population and then only a small % of them cause so much unrest and push things like they do and still get away with it :confused:
I think the statement, Not all Muslims are terrorist but most terrorist are Muslim, says it all really Shurm

Less 15-10-2013 17:56
School Beards.
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1079711)
I think the statement, Not all Muslims are terrorist but most terrorist are Muslim, says it all really Shurm
Or ? Is a terrorist only a terrorist until they overpower the regime they claim to be fighting, then history will mark them down as freedom fighters!
Whichever it is too many innocents always die for someone else's cause.
:(

keith higson 15-10-2013 21:52
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079645)
Keith...I note that you live in Austraila.....a wonderful place to be, where there are strict controls over who comes into, and goes out of the country...therein the difference lies.
You have very little idea of what it is like to live here now, and are in a poor position to comment on what is happening in a local Catholic School.
We also have immagrants coming into this country ( many of them being of the M Religion) and many of them being illegal entrants, who over the past few years have appeared to received better treatment than quite a lot of people who either where born here or arrived legally. We also have conclaves of different nationalities, cultures etc.

Britain is not alone in having schools who have rules on Dress, Jewellery we also have them but a few people do not agree with the rules. Anyway thanks for your thoughtful comments . Keep Blogging

Margaret Pilkington 15-10-2013 22:08
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Thanks Keith......I will!

DAV007 17-10-2013 00:12
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Originally Posted by keith higson (Post 1079775)
We also have immagrants coming into this country ( many of them being of the M Religion) and many of them being illegal entrants, who over the past few years have appeared to received better treatment than quite a lot of people who either where born here or arrived legally. We also have conclaves of different nationalities, cultures etc.

Britain is not alone in having schools who have rules on Dress, Jewellery we also have them but a few people do not agree with the rules. Anyway thanks for your thoughtful comments . Keep Blogging
I thought Australia's main influx was from China?

DAV007 17-10-2013 00:16
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Originally Posted by keith higson (Post 1079636)
After reading the blogs on this it would appear that the racial intolerants are out in force, shame on you. Modst people have no say in where and into what religion they are born into, with most of the comments being racial no wonder other people of different religions etc get the ****s.
People are expressing their opinions based on the facts, I don't see the problem?

Religion is a choice and if a certain religion believes it is true, then it should be open and able to take critique.
A religion unable or unwilling to be critiqued has lost the argument.

Retlaw 17-10-2013 11:38
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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 1079890)
People are expressing their opinions based on the facts, I don't see the problem?

Religion is a choice and if a certain religion believes it is true, then it should be open and able to take critique.
A religion unable or unwilling to be critiqued has lost the argument.
In some countries there is no choice, they are brain washed from child birth, what gets me is the yodeliing from the minarets calling the faithful to prayer, if they are so faithful why do they need calling, they should already be there.
In this country were are to a certain extent allowed minds af our own as to what religion we follow, or do no follow.

Margaret Pilkington 17-10-2013 13:02
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Muslims can be killed for converting to another religion...apostasy is punishable by death especially if the convert is a muslim male.
They can also be held prisoner until they realise the error of their ways.
Muslim women who commit apostasy are liable to be killed, enslaved or imprisoned until they recant their new fait h and revert back to Islam.
So if you are born muslim, you stay muslim, on pain of death.
Not much choice there then....but Islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance.

jaysay 17-10-2013 17:27
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079941)
Muslims can be killed for converting to another religion...apostasy is punishable by death especially if the convert is a muslim male.
They can also be held prisoner until they realise the error of their ways.
Muslim women who commit apostasy are liable to be killed, enslaved or imprisoned until they recant their new fait h and revert back to Islam.
So if you are born muslim, you stay muslim, on pain of death.
Not much choice there then....but Islam is supposed to be a religion of tolerance.
Ya and Muslims are supposed to be TT too, I emphasise supposed:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 17-10-2013 19:37
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yes John, and consuming alcohol is minor apostasy, eating forbidden food is also minor apostasy...as is adultery......don't know what the punishment is for doing these things.

jaysay 18-10-2013 18:04
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1079985)
yes John, and consuming alcohol is minor apostasy, eating forbidden food is also minor apostasy...as is adultery......don't know what the punishment is for doing these things.
Ya happy ham sandwiches :D

jelly baby 25-10-2013 14:44
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The punishment for adultery (in a Muslim country) is death if you are a woman, not sure about what happens to a man though.

Margaret Pilkington 25-10-2013 16:07
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Originally Posted by jelly baby (Post 1080997)
The punishment for adultery (in a Muslim country) is death if you are a woman, not sure about what happens to a man though.
Nothing.....it is considered to be the woman's fault......and it is the same with rape.

Eric 25-10-2013 16:52
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1079711)
I think the statement, Not all Muslims are terrorist but most terrorist are Muslim, says it all really Shurm
And you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Just read the papers and watch the news. And yet western governments and media bend over forwards to ignore the realities. One can't even debate this without being branded a rascist, even though Islam is not a race. In the west, many, including "A" list idiots, support Hamas:rolleyes: and condemn Israel ... the only real democracy in the Middle East and the West's only true ally in the region.

walkinman221 29-10-2013 19:39
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Anyway its nearly november now so maybe these lads can grow their beards for movember and the prophet now:D

jaysay 01-11-2013 17:24
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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1081580)
Anyway its nearly november now so maybe these lads can grow their beards for movember and the prophet now:D
Thought that was just a moustache Dave:rolleyes:

jack preston 10-11-2013 17:40
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you don't see poppys on burkhas!

Restless 10-11-2013 23:50
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Originally Posted by jack preston (Post 1082894)
you don't see poppys on burkhas!
Nice observation skills you have checking out all those burkhas.


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