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The Railway isn't a swamp, a swamp is almost a desert compared with what flows in there.

I wouldn't even attempt to insult folk for their cynicism, but it seems rather than answer questions honestly and clearly our M.P. would.

What a shame,I was foolish enough to have had my cynicism switch in the 'off', mode the day I voted for him, now I have put signage around it to ensure it is always 'ON'.

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I don't feel insulted.
I for one, am glad that Graham realises that we do not take the stuff the comes out of the POW at face value.
This the MP who thinks that 95% couldn't give a damn about the EU....that we haven't enough intellect to work out what is good for us in respect of the EU.
Now, that is what I find insulting.

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Why am I thinking "Slough of Despond" here ?

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I don't know. Why are you?

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Graham, following the meeting on Palestine, as you're so obviously concerned about affairs in the Middle East, will you now be organising a meeting about the mass murder now being perpetrated by ISIS in Iraq?

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i do hope so because once the political might of Hyndburn gets involved plus the voices of them that give a toss the whole middle east issue in general will be solved , possibly even world peace...

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I was darned pleased yesterday to hear that an RAF plane had left Brize Norton to drop some basic needs to refugees including the civilians who'd fled up the mountain. Having heard reports of what the religious zealots are doing to children I think if I were stranded on a mountain top I'd like the RAF to drop a supply of pills which would quickly and quietly end the life of any child I had as I wouldn't want him/her to suffer such barbaric treatment:

• £2m of emergency supplies for 75,000, including aid to be dropped to those trapped on Mount Sinjar
• The supplies include resusable filtration containers filled with clean water, solar lights that can also be used to recharge mobile phones, and tents and tarpaulins

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I wonder how much of it will end up in the wrong hands.

Of course it's essential you can recharge your mobile phone while fleeing for your life.

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#selfiontherun :D

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I wonder how much aid would be now needed if GW and Tony Blair had not embarked on their trillion dollar wrecking of Iraq.:rolleyes:

And all these goddam meetings and rallies about the conditions in Gaza ... mere horse manure which allows folks to attend, feel good, and still do nothing. Oh, and it probably allows a bunch of anti-semites to crawl out of their holes and condemn Israelis without running the risk of being heckled down as Nazis. And it gives a bunch of politicians the opportunity to make political points with the Muslim vote.

Canada, as you probably don't know, 'cause we're not a BIG power, is firm in its support for the State of Israel; but we don't forget the suffering of the innocent Palestinians. Several Ontario hospitals which have pediatric expertise (Kingston General is one; and, of course, Sick Kids Hospital in TO) have offered to treat injured children free of charge (taxpayers' expense) and to arrange their transport. Now, that appears to be much more valuable than parading with posters and yelling anti-jewish slogans. Surprisingly:rolleyes:, the wealthier Arab countries are those who contribute next to nothing. It's up to the decadent infidels in the West to pony up.

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Apparently, tens of thousands took to the streets of UK cities to protest against Israeli actions in Gaza. Not one peep of protest about the atrocities being carried out by ISIS
Funny that.

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Yes, well might that being on account of Islam being a religion of peace and compassion?

The kind of peace that allows those who practise this faith to annihilate those who follow any other religion......the kind of faith that strips women of their clothes before raping them and selling them into sexual slavery.....the kind of faith that give those who do not follow it a chance to convert to Islam or be killed.

The practices of ISIS have nothing at all to do with Islam, they have all to do with man wanting to exert power over others that are in a weaker position. God(any God) does not figure in this at all......however devout these men like to think they are....they are just murderers......but holy murderers...so that makes it all alright....doesn't it?


Are there any Muslims in this country standing up and saying'This is not the Islam that I follow?'
If there are, then they are whispering it...and the world cannot hear them.

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"Israeli actions in Gaza" ... aggressive self protection, learned the hard way after 66 years of facing Arab aggression and the threat of extermination. In my opinion, a much more considered and conservative response to that of GW following 9-11. 100s are dying in Gaza ... hundreds of thousands died in Iraq.

"[The] atrocities being carried out by ISIS": think of it as a warm up; a preparation and whetting of the appetite for the big game: the elimination of Israel, and the slaughter of every man, woman, and child in the country.

Come to think of it, Israel is a nuclear power. The scenarios are fascinating to think of, but they all include a radioactive parking lot where Mecca used to be.

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Just like Christianity is a religion of peace and compassion..

Lets ignore inquisitions, slavery and the morally corrupt religious leaders of past and present.

The kind of peace that allows those who practice the faith to annihilate those who follow any other religion...

Aztec, Mayan, Aborigine, American Indian, Polynesian, Chinese, Japanese, African etc..etc..may give a few similar arguments against christianity

The kind of faith that strips women then ties them to a stake and burns them alive, the kind of faith that give those who do not follow it a chance to convert to Christianity or be killed..crusades anyone?..however devout..just holy murderers.

Yes there are muslim leaders condemning these atrocities, unfortunately they don't make it into the redtop rag reporting that passes for English or American media.

Thing is..we are educated, we can make an informed choice between creationism, Darwinism, Atheism, Alien seeding, a stork that carries newborns in its beak and a multitude of other religious beliefs and we have learned that it aint worth killing people for. We have learned that religion isn't even worth arguing about anymore..you either believe or you don't, and good for you whatever floats your boat....a persons religious belief is less important to anyone other than themselves than the benches outside the market hall.

It's only 50 or so years since pregnant girls were shuffled off to secret convents in Ireland and treated like scum, 100 or so years since women were treated as second class citizens not allowed to speak their mind, the old testament advocates stoning for women....we've come a long way in the last century or so, thanks to education. We have to believe that the ordinary muslim will eventually get there regardless of indoctrination.

We have headlines in our local rag about a protest outside tesco..not one reporter has spoken to the muslims who are currently working behind the tills, stacking shelves and selling Israeli produce in this particular store, who are wondering what the hell the muslim version of our local Christian jihadist Kevin Logan is doing outside.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is just plain wrong...what ISIS are doing is also plain wrong..both on humanitarian grounds NOT religious!

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That sums it up very well fer me, but also this stuff is happening now only thanks to Bush@ Blair, as far as i'm concerned, whilst the previous leaders of Iraq n Libya were complete bad sods, ISIS would not be at it yon now, if those lunatics had not been deposed, simple as that to me.

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is tony blair still the peace envoy for the middle east im sure he woudl like to go see ISIS and sort this out but i dont think ISIS can afford his appearance fee lol

best send a lower ranling labour lacky out there i guess but i wonder who

ps:

if they do send a labour politition may i suggest they send him or her labour soldier style as in under protected and under equiped

pps:

when you say bush@blair it kinda sounds like they were having sex

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Not necessarily sex, but there was definitely some arse kissing going on. :(

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Guinness, we have trod the path of the historical religious failings before.
We cannot change what went before. We can only lament that that was how it was......and hope that those failings can be a lesson to us. It seems like they never are.
And it isn't me who says that Islam is a peaceful and compassionate religion.
It is those devout Muslims who hide their faces, wear the long flowing robes lest weak men are tempted. So the weak men target white girls instead.

Baroness Warsi quit her government position all over her outrage at the situation in Gaza.....does this not strike you as a bit ironic when you consider the atrocities committed by ISIS? She gives them not a mention.....does that not pose the question in your mind 'why'?

As for Muslims speaking out against those taking over the towns and cities in Iraq.....they want the world to be one huge Muslim Caliphate.....and what ISIS is doing furthers that cause......so whichever media you follow, you will see very little Muslim dissent against what they are doing.

As to your last sentence.....you will get no argument from me on that score.
It is most definitely not about religion....but about power and the exertion of force to achieve it.

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Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Gaza. Whatever your religious views its still hell on earth for the women and children caught up in it all. The beheadings and stonings going on are, simply, inhuman. Its just horrendous cruelty on a massive scale instigated by ,on the whole, uneducated bullying fanatics that wouldn't know religion if it smacked them in the face.. Its the law of the jungle prevailing. Funny how the novel Lord of the Flies keeps springing to mind.

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this is a major thread wander...only very loosely connected with the title of the thread....we are going to be getting detention if we aren't careful.

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This whole thread has been a wander, if you look back, you will notice our M.P. and his biggest fan being the main wanderers they have introduced many topics to divert from answering questions.
:)

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What Israel is doing in Gaza is just plain necessary, and it would not be happening if extremist muslims would just leave them the [deleted] alone. The Jews have learned from history that they have to take care of themselves. The allied nations knew damn well what was happening to Jews in Germany ... but would they take a bunch of them in ... no way.

The politically correct, bend-over-forward countries in the world ...the UK seems to be one of them, are calling on Israel to negotiate. What bs! How does one negotiate with enemies whose main raison d'etre is the elimination of the Jewish state ... that is their non-negotiable bottom line. What does the west envision? A series of Munichs, where the Jews compromise ... and still get it in the ass? There will be no peace in our time until militant muslims are treated like the plague they are, and not like slightly misguided fellow humans who can be coaxed into becoming members of a cozy international, multi-racial, religiously tolerant, non-sexist, non-racist, non-smoking, low trans fat community. They are toxic waste.

I still believe that there would not be such a creature as "Israel" if it hadn't been for the goddam Nazis. That would be great. Then the AK toting followers of the prophet could get their jollies killing other muslims because of some succession horse manure that happened in the seventh century. Come to think of it, that's the century that millions of muslims still live in. The men, that is. I'm sure many muslim women would love to live in th 21st century ... particularly in some place where they are actually regarded as human and are not charged with adultery for committing the crime of being gang raped.

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Very few comments about the rockets and mortars being fired from Gaza into Israel, extremely inaccurate but is it just the failings of the weapons or do the Israelis have someone watching over them?
As already mentioned, Israel is a nuclear power - the last action of the Israelis will probably be the push of a button and goodbye to all the major Arab cities, and they won't bother about any collateral damage.

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Because an Arab victory in the field would amount to a death sentence for any and all Isrealis who fall into Arab hands. Israel has only two options: victory, at any cost ... or being wiped off the face of the planet.

Fortunately, Israel has friends ... well "two" is plural:rolleyes: The only two countries (there were a couple more with names that not many recognized;)) who stood with Israel at the UN were the USA and Canada. Kinda makes me proud to be Canadian. Most other countries stand in some "middle" and strive to maintain the fiction that reason and compromise will solve the problem ... they won't. It's kinda like baseball ... the game has to go on until someone wins.

Talking of baseball, it took nineteen innings for the Jays to beat the Tigers yesterday.:alright:

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Graham Hartley surely not the intended recipient of such attention and wishes.

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The thing is that is in the past as far as the west in concerned. It's time for the Middle East to leave the middle ages and join the 21st century.

What about what Gaza is doing, indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel? Is that ok with you?

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Maybe you should read the post you selectively quote from..almost sure I said something about education being the answer, using ourselves climbing out of the morass of historical cockups as an example....you got any better ideas to get the middle east to leave the dark ages?

Nope....where did I say or intimate otherwise?

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You didn't, you just didn't mention what they are doing as being wrong like so many others who appear to not want to say the Palestinians are also in the wrong. I'm with Eric one this one, Israel is protecting itself against Gaza. Israel have the bigger stick so are getting more worldwide abuse for it.

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I think Israel have the technology to knock out the missiles before they hit their towns and cities which makes it appear that they are just blasting away at Gaza without justification. Just because Israel appears largely untouched doesn't mean that the Palestinians are not firing at them indiscriminately (which I believe they are). If they (Israel) are being attacked they are going to defend themselves.

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I doubt they can, they are not guided missiles like you may think, they are like big firework rockets with explosives in them. The set them off and the rocket goes where it wants and they have little control as to where it lands apart from where they roughly point it as you can see in this picture I posted before

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...as-rockets.jpg

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I have just changed my mind after some googling, they have a system explained on wiki here Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ANd some info about some of the Hamas rockets which explains about there use to attack civilians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

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And the Yanks .... they are not under direct attack, yet their drones have been active in Pakistan. And if there is another 9-11, just watch the ordnance fly. The Israelis respond to being attacked in a way that other democracies wish they could. No whining ... no appeals to the International Community ... just scramble the jets and take care of business.

Sure, innocents die ... Dresden ... Hiroshima ... Leningrad ... Nanking ... too many to mention. That's what happens in wars. Just about every country has blood on its hands. And it's unfair to target the Israelis for doing what every nation would do, given enough provocation. Unfortunately, anti-semitism is alive and well in the world. And the Jews have learned to depend on themselves. I'm still kinda proud that my country supports them.

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My son was over in Israel doing some filming for work in April and stopped for a while with a couple who live there. They explained how life has been over the years and, even then they could hear explosions in Syria. I don't think most of us here could possibly understand how the people who live in that part of the Middle East go about their daily lives let alone their politics but I think I'd take a lot of the newspapers reports with a large pinch of salt. The press can be very one sided.

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when 'news' like the Cliff Richard thing breaks.......I always wonder what bit of bad news we(the public) are being diverted from looking closely at.

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well its taken the public eye away from the perverts and pedos at westminster that were been talked about only a couple of weeks ago in all the papers

did all those signatures from the MPs not wanting pedophiles in westminster past or present not come to anything?

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Theres usually summat, thats fer sure.;) Perhaps its the fact pensioners are going to be screwed, despite Camerons pre election promise?:rolleyes:

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Seems like your PM is starting to take Islamic extremists seriously. And threatening preemptive military action. Wow! At least the Israelis wait until they are attacked before they retaliate.:rolleyes:

Islamic extremists will haunt Britain if not stopped: David Cameron - The Economic Times

Graham, what's your take on this?

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Well its ok, the pensioners can pay fer it.:rolleyes:

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We already have the Islamic extremists....they are subverting the young Muslim men into leaving their families and fighting on foreign soil.....believing that it is what is laid down in their religion.
These young men believe that it is their duty to behead and desecrate the bodies of those who are non believers....that they should massacre whole communities.

All this is done in the name of their religion.
It is not about religion. It is about exerting power.
It is about barbaric seventh century practices.

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And that will always be the case, unless the elders speak out fer all peaceful Muslims (Of which there are many) in a way that everyone will be aware, sadly this don't seem to be the case,Integration aint very high on the list in my view.:eek:

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Try living there and working amongst them. Then you will realise that education in a Muslim country is not as you know it.

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You are right Cashy. I have been saying that the body of the Muslim community stays largely silent.
This sends the message to non Muslims in the world, that they agree with what these young men are doing in the name of Islam.
Much of what these young men believe to be the word of the religion, is not to be found in the holy book, but in the Hadith......this was written three centuries after the death of the prophet they say they follow.....and by whom, is unclear.

These boys have been reared in a tolerant society. They have been given the freedom to follow their religion, to get an education....yet in some areas of the world this would not be the case.

The young men who have left these shores to go and fight for IS should not be allowed back into the country. They have committed war crimes....they do not follow the Geneva convention.....they kill women and children, they parade the heads of those they have slaughtered like badges of honour...they desecrate the dead. They are barbaric.

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I am sure that during the Congo wars that British mercenaries were guilty by law of committing a criminal offence. If that is so, and the law has not been removed from the statute books, then there should be no reason for the Jihadists fighting in the ME not to be prosecuted and finish up in jail. If that is the cast then there is possibly a case for their families being charged with aiding and abetting a criminal offence.

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If one took a poll of the muslim community (C'mon could organize it;)), one would find that maybe only five out of one hundred would admit to putting country before religion. Even those born there ... you know, the ones who blow up buses and subway trains. That leaves 95% ... wait a minute! I've seen that figure before, somewhere:D

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Except it isn't religious. Devout men do not slaughter women and children because they are of a different faith.
There is no call in the holy book for young men to take up arms and wage jihad.
The only time the holy book justifies taking up arms is if the home is about to be invaded.
There is no call to be an aggressor.
The Hadith however, does call for these things......and Hadith means 'tradition'.....so it is culture rather than religion.
There is nothing in the holy book which requires other faiths to be forced to convert.....or pay a tithe for not converting

Muslims know this, but still they remain silent about the barbarism being perpetrated in their name on foreign soil.

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Yes i do agree with the above, except that we had a Prime Minister not many years ago, he claims to be Christian he went against faith, morals and decency just to get his name into the history books.
The other hypocrites then made him a peace envoy!
No wonder man cannot live in peace with his fellow man.
:mad:

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Yes, well that man has to live with is conscience(if he has one - which I sincerely doubt).
He too, is a war criminal, but no-one has the cojones to bring him to justice.

And you know what they say about power...it corrupts......absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I'm sure if I have got that wrong Eric will put me right.

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Moi! I wouldn't think of it. I've been taking my anti-pedant pills; so, I'm not into correction ... unless it's a little consensual spanking.;):D

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ahh the same prime minister that told the world that he carried a copy of the quaran with him everywhere he goes when trying to reassure people that islam was a good and peacefull religeon and hoping to assure the muslim people that despite slaughtering a few thousand of them overseas he likes them really.

now im not pro christian i had that stain put upon me against my will but if i considered myself to be a christian the last book on teh planet i would be carrying around with me and bragging about owning would be the quaran.Thats like been a burnley fan and telling the world you wear the blackburn rovers strip at night when making love to your wife

i hope i outlive the dirtbag if only to see if as many people jump in joy at his death as they did thatchers

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Personally, I hope the man lives for a very long time....and reaps the fruits of his hubris.
I am unlikely to outlive him, but I do not think a death is cause for celebration....anyway......I have heard he is being buried at sea:D

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That's just in case any of you were thinking of dancing on his grave :)

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Why do you think he is a war criminal?

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Because he misrepresented the facts and took the country to a war it should never have got involved in....he just wanted to be seen as the big guy.....when in fact he was GW's poodle.
Many of the problems that have arisen in the hot spots of the world have come about because of his desire to go down in history.
He is supposed to be the Peace Envoy for the Middle East ....how hypocritical is that?
So where is he now...is he brokering diplomatic solutions, applying balm to the wounds( many of which would not have been inflicted if it had not been for him).....no, he is off somewhere sunning his bum!
Or is it just me who sees it this way ?

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Looks like we could soon be at war again against the Islamic State. This time I do hope there is an official declaration of war and anyone in this country found to be assisting or fund raising for IS is arrested for treason. Just a shame they got rid of the death sentence for high treason in 1998

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did them lads from blackburn not get done for treason when they went to fight for the taliban ?

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True enough ... but I don't think that makes him a war criminal ... jerk, asshole, scumbag, slimeball ... maybe. Hypocrite ... definitely. But he didn't act alone He "ruled" in a parliamentary democracy, not by divine right. That got the chop in 1649 I believe. And what were your intelligence services up to? Probably acting on info from CSIS and the Mounties, our then PM, Jean Chretien, told GW to stuff his war plans where the sun don't shine. Your government, no doubt, had the same info as ours. And yet .....

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There were plenty of feet on the streets here that told him that the people did not agree with his vision of how things were at that time...and since then he has slimed his greasy way out of answering questions about what really went on.....he has declined to allow communications which clarify events, to be published.
Now if he had nothing to hide why would he do that.
GW wanted a regime change in Iraq.......and this was (allegedly) decided well ahead of the WMD issues.....Tony Blair was complicit in bamboozling the people in government....he (along with others) lied to the British people.
All this for his own hedonistic desires....and he still will not admit that he was wrong.

Those in the Middle East still live by almost tribal rules......why does the west act so arrogantly in trying to get them to assume a western style democracy...when there is no such thing as democracy??

He sent British lads and lasses to fight in a conflict that should never have been....Many of these lost their lives, and those who came home came home with problems which they are still having today.
Tony Blair is responsible....period.

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Do you think we should do nothing and just let them get on with killing each other?
Do you believe that once IS take over the middle east they will start to spread across the globe?

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The so called justice system probably blamed white married middle aged men with 2.4 kids for forcing them to go and fight and gave them a new house and loads of money when they returned

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In a nutshell sucessive governments have ignored these radicals,e.g. those who preach hatred on the streets, it makes good news showing, but sod all is ever done really, The fact an innocent journalist has now been executed should be the call to get the S.A.S. involved execute all radicals,stop benefits fer the families, n tell the happy clappers who object to get stuffed,but that obviously will never happen, those who are crying fer rivers of blood will be allowed to carry on. Time in my view to fight fire wi fire, stick it right up em.:mad:

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Neil.....I really do wish I had the answer to the first question. It is something that is not as simple as we in the west think it is. There are so many subtle cultural issues involved......many of them we will never understand, probably because we are not of that culture.
As for your second question......I am in no doubt whatsoever about the answer to this.
If IS take over the Middle East then they will surely feel that they can take over the globe.

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The governments who have ignored the 'hate preachers'(for that is what they are) did so because they feared being labelled Islamophobic or racist.

Why would you come to a country which has a culture you despise?.......Except we know that the world sees us as a soft touch...money, houses and health care up for grabs at no cost to them.

I would make sure that those who left the country to fight for IS in a jihadist movement never ever got back in again....and I would make sure their families were airlifted out to where ever these young men are fighting.....after all, if we were trying to deport them to a country of their ancestors, they would cite the right to family life.
Let them put their elderly grandparents/ parents and younger siblings in peril....see if that concentrated their minds.
They are not British.......I don't care if they were born here and have a British passport...they should be banned from setting foot on our soil for the rest of their lives.

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That's a big fat yes! Violence, terror & threats are endemic in Arab & middle eastern cultures. They'll happily enslave & slaughter other tribes & clans that don't fit their ways & ever was it so amongst these peoples long before Colonialists came along conquering & dividing the lands into parcels that suited their wishes.

When this happened they then stopped killing each other to join forces & fight back against the infidel, a working successful alliance through need. Still, once its purpose was served it was back to the old routine of butchering & beating each other, that is & remains their "Culture". Leave 'em to it I say, eventually a point will be reached when they've so decimated & debilitated one another that they'll all have to come together again to survive or risk being overtaken by a stronger incoming outside power.

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Well yes, DIG, I liked your post, because the fact is...

It's correct, I didn't like the content though, it's a confusing world isn't it?

😕

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I can live with that Less, unlike others who can't live with anything apparently. :)

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Somehow neither of us have much of a choice, live with it or...

Oh what the hey, let's fight back, who fancies a trip along B'burn Rd letting the tyres down on the illegally parked cars?

Hang on though, if we let the tyres down, that will make them awkward to move when we need to form a barricade against the retaliation!
Leave me to consider this for a moment...
:confused:

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It is the norm for politicians to lie to the British public and that is not seen as an offence - however, lying to Parliament is an offence I believe. Therefore he should be brought before Parliament and tried and the document that have been denied the public should be made available.

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We will take passports off em. that'll teach em. But still give em benifits to buy false uns.:rolleyes:

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Should they be stopped from doing that?
If so at what point should they be stopped?

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Agree 110% ... spoken like a true Israeli.;)

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Aye Eric, but nobody in power will ever have the balls to do so.:(

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What would be your answer to that Neil?
Do you want your children growing up in a Muslim country?
Do you want them to be subject to sharia law?
Do you want them to be forced to follow Islamic doctrines?

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Thats only if the little infidels aint been slaughtered.:eek:

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Yes, of course.

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Shouldn't think so, the ragheads have a penchant for smally boys & girls.

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Won't a Hollands pie do?

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Agreed ... if it had been an Israeli journalist, the F-16s would have been airborne 5 minutes after the video aired.

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Nah ... a melton mowbray.;)

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Would that be a hand raised one?

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For a start this Country needs to start treating everyone here equal. No special help for non nationals. Only English written and spoken in official documents, Government buildings, hospitals etc. If you need an interpreter you bring one (That includes all Welsh road signs taking down - just stupid that).

This is still basically a Christian Country and our society is set around that with holidays etc, no extra time off for other faith school kids, they choose to live here so they follow our holidays - Why should my kids not be allowed extra days off school but a family down the street can?

Anyone speaking out in a violent or incite full way against this Country should be dealt with appropriately. Any organisations, groups, clubs, gangs etc where it happens should be dealt with not ignored. We keep hearing about young people radicalised in schools and religious buildings and it must be dealt with.

Sharia law has nothing to do with this country and should be made illegal, anyone following it or punishing people under it should be locked up.

Stupid things like you can't enter a bank or petrol station in a crash helmet should be changes to with your face covered.

Dump the EU court deciding what we can do in our own Country!

I do think organisations like IS needs stopping now, not a few air strikes doing nothing but boots on the ground total destruction. When you look at rules of engagement in some of the recent conflicts they were stupid. How can we pretend to be civilized when the west is sitting and watching people being killed for not agreeing to someone else's religion? This isn't the middle ages. Killing the oppressors might be barbaric but unfortunately there is no other way to stop people who believe it's an honour to die for your country/cause - it took 2 nukes to make the Japanese realise if they didn't surrender they would suffer total annihilation and they also believed in no surrender and death is honourable.

I could go on but I will probably already be accused of being racist by the do gooder liberal types that have caused all this to be a problem in this country.

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Well i accuse yeh of talking sense Neil, fer once.:D

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So I am NOT alone in my views. Neil I applaud you for this post....it is what I would have answered.
We have, for far too long let tolerance become almost apathy. We have let incomers walk all over us and laugh at our tolerance.....our 'let them get on with it - we mustn't interfere' stance.

I do not 'get' why anyone would migrate to a country whose culture is alien/disgusting to them.
We cannot allow migrants to dictate the rules.
If migrants do not like it here, then they are free to leave and go where the culture suits their core values.

More of us should be saying this, but we have become enslaved by political correctness....and those who would slap the label 'racist' on us.

But it is acceptable for young men of the Muslim faith who were probably born and brought up here, to go and join a terrorist organisation with barbaric views which masquerade as religious tenets.
It is alright for them to foist fascist ideals on other tribes.....and we are not supposed to notice, let alone comment.

Why is there no outpouring of scorn from Muslim communities?
They say that the actions of IS do not follow the values of ordinary Muslims.....yet I see no real dissent...only what seems to be lip service.

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On the subject of Welsh road signs Neil, I don't know about removing them, they make me feel like I'm in a different country! One where, when you visit a shop, you can stand there with an inane grin on your face in blissful ignorance to the insults directed at you. Come to think of it, a bit like a trip to the shops on Blackburn Rd in Accy. :D:D

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your definatley not alone margaret teh majority of people are fed up to the back teeth with how much this country bends over to please difiirent faiths and cultures..

the problem is we have lying polititions who make up bullcrap figures off teh top of their heads that make it appear your in a minority

lets just say a politition would say only %5 of the people are fed up like ourselves and we are in the minority where as the other ( magic figure here) are quite happy to be second class citizens in their own country

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Here's a figure that ain't "bullcrap" ... there are more British muslims serving with the jihadists than there are serving in the British Armed Forces.

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i wonder which government will have the balls to decllare them traitors and expell them from or deny them re-entry to the UK

Mind you even if there ever was a government taht was willing to do it Europe would make us take them back and give them backdated benefit money

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"Re-entry":confused: You're not telling me that they will not be arrested if they return?

You guys must have something like the Canadian "Combating Terrorism Act" ... you know, something that makes it a crime to for a Canadian to go overseas and commit acts of terrorism ... it's even illegal to plan to do so.

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Arrested??? They probably wont even deny em Benefits.:rolleyes: May upset the Human Rights Brigade.

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by deny them re-entry i mean shoot them on the runway as traitors as they exit the plane .

yeah i know we dont have teh death penalty and if that british terrorist that beheaded that journalist is caught his biggest fear is what channel to watch on sky whilst in prison

i just hope it s a yank marine that catches him they will put a bullet in his head and put him with his pal bin ladenthen give him a trial

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There's a good chance they may even get a mention in the Queens Honours List, 'for distracting the public's attention away from what our privileged classes have been up to lately'.
:rolleyes:

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is it treason if you act against the people of your country or only when you go against government ?

just asking because if its also going against teh people then a lot of MPs are guilty of treason as well

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Treason was taken off the statute books in 1998.

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They only removed the death sentence from it in 1998.

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I thought it had been removed...apologies.
I cannot imagine that there would be much of a deterrent anyway.

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Dream on ... for some reason known only to themselves, the Blair/Brown government repealed the 1945 Treason Act. The reason given was that it was an ancient law and needed to be cleared off the statute books.

P.S. I've just found this exchange of online letters:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...rime_still_exi

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does anyone in government give a straight answer ever or as a first option

its as though the art of a straight answer is removed at council level

either that or they are born withthe inability to provide a straight answer to the actual question asked

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No argument from me on that one..already stated we need to educate the masses against the radicals and hope the message gets through.....then again

Westboro Baptist Church Home Page
Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan: Knights Party

maybe the education of some Christians leaves a lot to be desired too

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Perhaps you should have been a bit more specific - these are references to "American Christians", and probably Deep South.

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They are still 'Christian's' though, extreme Christian's admittedly, but Christian's all the same.

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Don't really matter were there from Christian nutters they are simple as.