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So these turbines have been commisioned now about 14mths anyone know if Hyndburn has benefitted from them and by how much......and why dont they run all the time. Surely you cant have enough electricity can you? I'll have some if there is any going spare..love to see my bill come down.

And if they are making TOO much electricity, why did we need so many in the first place:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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EnergieKontor who own the wind farm created a community benefit fund and details about it and what can be funded and how can be found here Welcome to the Windfall page :: Prospects Foundation

I know it sounds strange but if the wind speed is to high the turbines can be damaged and they stop them from running. Like everything they have a design specifications and can only operate within these specifications. I also wonder some days when you see some are stopped and others running.

As far why so many, I would rather see the whole hill covered in them than have a nuclear or even coal fired power station in our back yard. I think they should put a lot more up there.

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Really?....if you add up the manufacturing,deliver and erection costs they'll never recoup said cost in electricity generated…..so why put "a lot more up there"??
Its a scam,money is taken us and producers of electricity and put straight back into the pockets of Liz and her tribe.

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How do you think we should make electricity? I assume you use the stuff.

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I wasn't having a go at you (well not really) ;)
You didn't really a answer my question......


...You first :p

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Tidal/wave power, as an Island nation we're surrounded by sea & as such have an endless free supply of an elemental power source which in general is far more predictable than wind.

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I`ve always had a bit of a theory about wind farms, I`ve no links or proof this is true, just my own theory.
A gust of wind blows between point A to point B at say 30mph, it passes point A at 30mph and arrives at point B at 30mph(ish), carrying with it a load of rain clouds etc.
Someone puts a load wind farms between points A & B, The wind still passes point A at 30mph but when it gets to the wind farms, by turning the turbines, the wind speed is reduced to say 10mph.
Wouldn`t this reduction in wind speeds around the country affect the weather?
Are the turbines to blame for our recent floods?

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The reduction in the butterfly population counteracts the effect ;);)

Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The phrase refers to the idea that a butterfly's wings might create tiny changes in the atmosphere that may ultimately alter the path of a tornado or delay, accelerate or even prevent the occurrence of a tornado in another location. Note that the butterfly does not power or directly create the tornado. The flap of the wings is a part of the initial conditions; one set of conditions leads to a tornado while the other set of conditions doesn't. The flapping wing represents a small change in the initial condition of the system, which causes a chain of events leading to large-scale alterations of events (compare: domino effect). Had the butterfly not flapped its wings, the trajectory of the system might have been vastly different - it's possible that the set of conditions without the butterfly flapping its wings is the set that leads to a tornado."

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My answer is to make electrickery

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After a bit of googling, it seems the reduction in wind speed theory may be correct - FYI: Do Wind Farms Make It Less Windy? | Popular Science

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So they reduce the wind speed and behind them there is 'a small but significant rise in temperature'!

So the more wind farms the more Global Warming! I knew there was a connection- Global Warming was never mentioned until they began to build wind farms!

Get rid of the inefficient monstrosities.

Apparently the subsidies increase if the turbines don't run so some of the owners are suspected to be switching them off when they could be generating.

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Pull them all down and give me back my freeview telly

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You should be ranting at whoever is responsible for the transmitter network. You pay the same licence fee as everyone else so your repeater at Haslingden should carry all the same channels as the main transmitter at Winter Hill.

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You might as well say "the fly effect"....if a fly farts does it change the atmosphere and cause global warming....doh!

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The wind wont be reduced because the turbines are turning causing.....you guessed it....wind

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OK so we are getting some projects funded in Accy, I mean, yeah you can tell its worth it by the way Accy has been revitalised and is a thriving hub of industry and commerce that attracts businesses from all over the world, but how much does the funding come to?...a thousand, ten thousand pounds...what? I see there are grants available but where are the schemes that make people who visit Accrington say "WOW look at Accrington now it fantastic", rather than "bloody hell more big name shops and pubs shutting and more pound and charity shops opening"

Someone must be getting rich and benefitting from these turbines and it certainly aint me or, I suspect, no one else in Accy. If these things are not efficient where does the money coming from?

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You think turbines cause wind? They aren`t fans. It`s called transfer of kinetic energy, take the winds energy to turn the turbines.

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my youngest had chille beans tonight and im serously considering sending him up yonder moors to power them bloomin turbines if he keeps pumping them out at the rate he is doing :eek:

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Yes!

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So, friction doesn't exist in your world?
It's all these rotating blades slowing down our orbit of the sun taking us closer, and, closer, no wonder I sweat when I get a utility bill.

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I want to smoke what you are on, don't Bogart that joint.

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Kinetic, mechanical, electrical....meh..

Fact is the sun causes the wind and we'll be ok for the next few billion years...there is as much hokum out there about wind farms screwing with ecology as there is about greenhouse gases, Elvis in the chip shop, the Illuminati and the Queen being a lizard from another planet.

I'm with Neil...rather have these things next to me than a nuclear plant

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Lesser of two evils is still evil.

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Lesser of two evils albeit unpleasant, by definition is still the best choice

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Is there only two options, nuclear or wind farms?

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The EU is making us shut down our coal fired but not sure if they will still allow us to have gas fired power stations. We have some bits of Hydro as well in the UK.

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My point was, just because it may be the best option of the two mentioned (nuclear or wind), doesn`t make it the best option overall.

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What do you think is the best method of making the stuff then?

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Every home should be made to have one of these to generate their own electricity and burn some calories at the same time !!! :D

Bicycle Generator to watch TV...and more - YouTube

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does that come with a free slave or is it an optional extra

take the saddle off to ensure no slacking on the job

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Maybe if we didn't waste so much there wouldn't be such a problem.
But then again if we use less the electric company's profits will be down,so there would be a increase in prices (use less,pay more).
The best bet might be for us to get off grid altogether (but that's very long winded) :)

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That looks ok, prefer a doggy treadmill though.

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Wind farms are just another of the "Benefits" inflicted on the Country by that beloved entity the EU! The only ones benefiting from the whole thing are the producers of the equipment & the land owners who put up the land for farms. These people rake in the subsidies while Joe Public has to stump up the money in the form of taxes & costs, it's really only ever been about generating money for those involved & not a replacement "Green renewable" power for a Nation.

The first line of the following article tells you all you need to know as to how these companies view their product.

Wind farm plans in tatters after subsidy rethink - Telegraph

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I know here are some who think they are beautiful and majestic, but I hate them!
They are inefficient and stop us looking at other ways of producing energy....they make money only for those who make them, and those whose land they stand on...for the consumer they haven't reduced the price of energy......and really that is what the customer wants.
We have used less gas and electricty overall and yet my bill has gone up. How does that work for me...the answer is it doesn't...pay more get less. it is a joke...except I'm not laughing!

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electric companies handed out energy saving bulbs etc and when they realised people wernt using as much power they doubled the price of the supply

we now use less power but companies get the same if not more proffit

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One of the biggest wasters of electricity are the producers, they supply houses at any thing between 210v & 250v, this also has sumat to do with the EU standardisation, which is a load of barnyard confetti, most of the foriegn electrical goods we buy, are designed to run on the lower EU voltages, our levels in the 230 - 240 range actually cause them to run hotter than they should, giving them a shorter working life, there are voltage regulators that can be installed in houses, but the lecky comps don't want you to know, because your bills would be lower.

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£80,000 a year :eek:
I will make £80K a year from wind turbine, says landowner - Telegraph

Land owners have contracts with these wind companies and they lease them the land for a average of 20yrs,and they as land owners receive rent from the wind farm owners ( separate from their dividend).
They rake it in and couldn't give a flying if the wind turbines produce nothing as they get a fixed income for them 20yrs.
These payments come directly from Gov subsidies so the land owners are guaranteed their payments for the contracted term. They don't even care if the energy companies go bankcrpt as we (the taxpayer) are paying them.

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In the words of a old yellow pages advert "it'll be like sitting on a razor blade" :D
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RnJk6bkjgko

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they dont like to brag about it but the only thing wind turbines are good for is making farmers and power companies money

we see sod all benefit from them apart from a few grand for comunity projects

ironic that they splash a minute amount of cash for improving local community projects yet desomate the countryside with these awfull things

dont work , never will work and we will definatley never see a reduction in our bills no matter how many of the things are put up

its also laughable that our windmills have to be shut down because of too much wind yet they manage to make windfarms that can withstand much more harsh conditions in america

then again america has lots of space for them and dosnt have a group of 20 or so they have groups of thousands of them at a time

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If the government were really serious about green energy then they would be paying people to fit Solar panels - the ones that work off light....any light to householders....any excess generated would be fed back into the national grid.

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But don't they look ugly on rooftops?

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what Frank - the solar panels?

At least they don't deface our countryside...and I think they are a damn sight more efficient than the wind turbines...but they have to be the right sort of solar panels.

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You know as well I as do it's all about money at the end of the day.
How long before being self sufficient is made illegal?
I believe in the states water from the sky is deemed state property,anyone know if it's the same here?
If it is have those effected by floods got a claim against the state?

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On the contrary, they should be charged for having all that state property they haven't paid for.

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We really will have to start saving for a rainy day if that's the case :eek:
If Cameron had his way we'd be charge on the off chance it might rain. :D

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So their concerns about energy and being green are all lies?
Well, I never!

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Here! Here!

I cant understand how using less energy is cheaper, like someone said, if we use less energy the bills would go down so the profits are less.....so they put the prices up to keep the profits up.....obvious really

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Our bills will never go down no matter what the politicians say. There is too much money to be made from what ever energy is used. Be it in grants from the Government to land owners, to companies producing solar power or fracking or whatever, the money made from the energy, is never more than the cost to produce it and the difference always comes from the tax payer and if there is money over after the energy has been sold it goes into the fat cats pockets or shareholders

Fracking for gas seems to be the new kid on the block which will be cheaper to produce and which should give us lower bills, but after the adding in the grants to companies producing it and the large rents charged by the land owners for allowing it on their land, not to mention all the money given to local authorities for letting them frack in their area we are back to large bills to pay for it all.
We will never ever win

and to quote a lovely lady on here....it is a joke...except I'm not laughing either!

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And the voids were the gas come from will fill with water and we will have more sink holes

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Or will we have better drainage so less flooding?

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Is there anyone with half a brain (so i wont bother including the far left green party in the debate) who think wind farms make any sense?

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Teletubbies? :p

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Me!

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They make sense because they are better than using radioactive elements with a half life of a thousand years, god alone knows what legacy we are handing down with all the crap we are burying or dumping in the sea.

The 'blot on the landscape argument doesn't hold water either..many who have posted on this thread with that argument have also posted on the flood plain thread arguing that 'people should just move'

It's sustainable and it's free at the point of contact.......just because energy companies continually rip us off doesn't take away from the fact that it is a relatively cheap and clean form of power.

I'd rather see a bank of turbines on a hill than a nuclear power plant any day of the week

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The energy companies get big subsidies to build them, that is not their fault, it is this and previous governments who stitched us up with energy and CO2 reduction policies that forced them to bribe companies to build them quickly.

The reason they often stand still is also not there fault but due to the way gas and coal fired power stations work. You can't just turn off a gas or coal fired (not sure about nuclear without googling). They guess what the power demand will be during the day and ramp up and down the gas/coal power stations as they guessed. If demand is lower than expected they still pay for the wind power as they are contracted to do but they don't actually need it so they stop the turbines. It does sound a little odd but thats the way the power generation works unfortunately.

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No, these monstrosities are very inefficient at providing energy. The wind doesn't always blow...and when it does it may be either too strong or too weak for the turbines to be active
They make money(they are much more efficient at doing that than they are at producing energy)...but only for those on whose land they stand and those who make the blasted things.

There are other options for green energy if the government really wanted us to be producing green energy.

Every house could be fitted with solar panals...the ones which produce energy from light....any level of light.
If the government wanted to make it easy they could give grants...or maybe even loans to be offset by the money levied from any extra energy that was produced by each home...and that went to the national grid.

We are an island with a very long coastline....tides are regular and powerful.
Energy could be produced from wave power.
I am of the opinion that those who are currently producing and selling us our power are in some sort of cahoots so that other forms of eco energy are not invested in(I know another conspiracy thing - but it would make perfect sense)or researched and resourced.

All this talk about global warming is unconvincing. Many of the edicts about how we produce energy to use come from the EU.
Isn't it a bit odd how some of our energy producers are from Europe? Wouldn't they lose out if we decided that we would not follow EU edicts about producing our own energy?

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How are you defining and calculating efficiency? If you are talking in the same way as gas/coal fired it would be energy put in compared to energy coming out of the power station. We only care about the efficiency because the fuel costs money and the exhaust waste is polluting to the atmosphere. Don't forget about how the fuel is transported to the power station - train, truck, pipeline etc all of which use energy to transport.
With wind turbines the fuel is wind and is free, clean and non polluting. Does there efficiency matter however it's calculated?
Yes they don't run all the time but when they do they are preventing coal/gas being burnt so that must be good or do you not agree that burning less fossil fuel is a good thing?

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Of course their efficiency matters.
Would you operate a car that had appalling fuel efficiency?
How are energy costs ever going to come down without having efficient ways of producing energy?

When these things were going to be erected...and there were representatives in the town centre trying to justify their being put into place. I had done a lot of research into the efficiency. I had it all written down on paper, because of this I didn't commit the figure to memory. I have just had a look for it and cannot find it. I reckon I threw it out in one of my 'flinging sessions'......or I may have thrown it in disgust when these turbines were put up. They were there, and all my research was not required anymore.
My figures certainly weren't going to get them dismantled....so Neil, I cannot quote chapter and verse, but I do remember thinking that they were not worth the effort(in terms of efficiency, that is).

I really don't care how our energy is produced, so long as it is efficient and costs can be brought down.
Remember energy costs affect everything that we buy.

Do you think China(one of the biggest polluters in the world) is concerned about green energy or global warming.
The UK produes less than 2% of global carbon emissions and we seem to be trying to compensate for those in the world who produce carbon gases willy nilly.

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This report is from the Telegraph and dates from last August.

The wind farms that generate enough power to make a few cups of tea - Telegraph

I had at least an A4 size page of references as to how inefficient wind turbines are....so the stuff is out there for anyone who wants to find it.

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They use wind as fuel which costs nothing which is why I asked what you meant by efficiency.
If they only manage to convert 10% of the wind that passes them to electricity does it matter?

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Yes, of course it matters. If they are not making energy then they are costing money to be stood doing nothing.
Who do you think is paying for that?
Have you had a look at the article from the Telegraph(the national newspaper, not the local rag)?
According to that article they are going to cost something in the region of six billion pounds in subsidies by 2020 - where is that money coming from?

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Councils waste millions on ineffective wind turbines that will take 190 years to repay - Telegraph

Here is another report from the Telegraph. This is from December 2013.

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Of course it matters, if they're only converting 10% (that's as & when they're functioning/turned on) they aren't being efficient enough to offset their cost. That being the initial production & purchase, assembly, subsidies, maintenance & as such are costing more to run that what they generate in return, ergo inefficient & most certainly not cost effective. :mad:

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Oops looked liked some Local Authorities have been ripped off which is no surprise. That story is about small turbines not the type on Ossy Moor.

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You are missing my point about efficiency and how it's calculated with regards to wind turbines. The fuel is free and non polluting so doesn't matter.
What you appear to mean is how cost effective they are, as in cost to build and run compared to amount of power produced and how long before they have payed for themselves and are making money for the owner of them.

Talking about subsidies, many comment on wind power subsidies. This 2 year ol newspaper article from The Guardian states that wind power subsidies are dwarfed by fossil fuel subsidies Wind power still gets lower public subsidies than fossil fuel tax breaks | Environment | The Guardian

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Right, see your point now, misunderstood the context. Theoretically, since the "fuel" is free it's just the technology that costs, the end product should be cheaper once the outlay has been recouped all according to the theory making for an efficient form of energy supply. Unfortunately in the real world, conditions are seldom perfect to produce the projected returns so all theory goes out the window, thereby making this method of energy production flawed & inefficient to my mind.

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Yes, I know it is about smaller turbines, but if you look at the other article, those are not small turbines...and some of them are costing money to run.

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Wave power would be free...and far more regular and predictable, light is free...so why is there not more push to maximise these more efficient types of energy....might it have something to do with subsidies.
At present, it is going to take many many years to recoup the cost of these eyesores....and without the benefit of cheaper energy.

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I'd agree with that, I've also mentioned wave/tidal previously, then there's hydro electric as another consideration, there is plenty of options out there but not the will because quite a few bodies would be missing out on their dropsies.

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Neil, look at the figures in the article again!

Gas/coal/oil received £3.63 billion but supplied 85% of our energy.
All renewables received £1.4 billion but only supplied 6%.

So each of the 1% supplied by gas/coal/oil was subsidized by £42.7 million.
Each 1% supplied by renewables was subsidized by £233.33 million!

So how can that be efficient? The fuel is free? Hardly.
If all our energy came from renewables the subsidy would be £23,333,000,000- yes, that's £23 BILLIONS.
The last one out wouldn't have to switch the lights off- we couldn't afford to switch them on!

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by unjustified removal of peoples benefits , forcing cancer sufferers to work and people with other disabilitating illness's and generaly screwing money in any way possible from the people who can least afford to be screwed..Mainly the poor

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Accyman, this money is being recouped from every single one of us who uses energy.
We pay subsidies on our bills and we pay increased cost of manufactured goods because of course, companies pass on the costs to us.
We are told to use less energy. This year we have used less energy - both electric and gas, but have paid more for the reduced amount we have used.
I feel we, the consumers, are being ripped off.

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Of course we are. We are being ripped off because the energy companies are businesses only interested in making money. Energy companies should not be privatised and the last Labour government should have sorted that out but didn't so must agree with privatisation without having the stones to admit it.

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Spot on Neil.
The energy companies run a cartel(which is illegal)....they say they aren't a cartel....but all of them put up their prices within days of each other...and in similar amounts.
To me that says Cartel.
So why does the government do nothing much about it?
They say there is going to be an investigation.......which will do nothing.
They say they will break up the big six suppliers....they won't because they don't have the gonads to do it.

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Surprisingly- in Europe out of 23 countries-
16 countries have dearer electric.
20 countries have dearer gas.
8 countries have dearer petrol.

So either we're not doing badly or most of Europe is being ripped off even more than we are.

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The fact that we pay less does not make me feel better.
It makes me think that they will hike the prices until they are in line with those who pay more.
I'd better get knitting some jumpers!

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All nations get ripped off but some are more ripped off than others
(apologies to George Orwell ;))

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How long before these turbines cause us health issues? :eek:
Wind Turbine Syndrome (WTS) is the clinical name Dr. Nina Pierpont has attributed.
Wind farms 'make people sick who live up to a mile away' - Telegraph

It would take thousands of wind turbines, spread over miles of our lovely countryside (killing tourism and wildlife) to produce as much electricity as a power station or nuclear reactor. But the power stations would still be needed as back-up for the days when these wind turbines produce little/no electricity.

Prof Michael J. Trebilcock of the University of Toronto wrote an interesting artical entitled "Wind Power is a Complete Disaster".
As he (correctly ;)) points out, wind power in other countries (Denmark, Germany) has not reduced CO2 emissions nor closed any coal powered plants.
In fact, emissions have gone up :eek:.

I'm with Margret on the "wave power" or hydro electrics, There are many famous such generating stations in the world for example, Niagara Falls and Boulder Dam. These are just a few examples of energy produced by falling water.
On the other hand, a small mill with a water wheel set in the rapids of a fast-flowing stream is also an example (on a lesser scale) of it in action.
The truth is that any steady current of flowing water from a river or other waterway can be converted to power.

"so why is there not more push to maximise these more efficient types of energy....might it have something to do with subsidies.
At present, it is going to take many many years to recoup the cost of these eyesores....and without the benefit of cheaper energy." MP.

Hope you don't mind me quoting you M,but I believe your correct :D

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You could invest in the hydro plant at Whalley if you are convinced they are so good, have a look at the project here Whalley Community Hydro | Community Renewable Energy Scheme

Unfortunately there are no suitable sites in Hyndburn

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I'll have some if there is any going spare..love to see my bill come down.

check this site out

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Ofgem are referring the big six companies to the competition watchdog...they say there has been 'collusion' over prices rises, both in timing and in the amounts of rises.
Does this not signify that there has been a cartel?
Aren't cartels illegal?
Will any of the big energy prices be prosecuted?
Not a chance!

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Cartels are illegal as far as i know, But everyone knows they exist,also everyone i'm sure, knows sod all will be done about the fact.:rolleyes:

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Build the plants and turbines where no one can see them then..middle of knowhere then everyones happy...well nearly everyone

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Your not telling me they dont know they are being ripped off...they probably dont care so long as they get their back handers and expensive freebies.

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Sounds like a good idea but the infrastructure costs would be even higher

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Neil or anyone
could you explain what subsidies are and why we need them? and whether I could get some to help pay for my fuel bills...LOL

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Small price to pay for not seeing these monstrocities

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I quite like them

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I do too. I couldn't believe the size of them when they first went up but I think they're an interesting feature to the landscape. Like a giant form of modern art.

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Well, I suppose Modern Art is one way of looking at them....but to me they are eyesores.....only marginally more appealing than pylons.

They deface large areas of natural beauty. It would not be so bad if they were doing a good job, but they aren't.

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They do say beauty is in the eye of the beholder Margaret.:o

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Have to say i dont mind the look of em at all, Thats not saying if there any use or not.

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Yes they do. I just preferred to see the Ossy moors before it was dotted with these things.
At least I have the pleasure of that picture in my memory.

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How many Wind Turbines does it take to make a Wind Turbine. My guess is they could never be economical enough just for that, let alone supplying power for every other kind of industry.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Looks like you guessed wrong. The average windfarm produces 20-25 times more energy during its operational life than was used to construct and install its turbines

Info from here Does building turbines use more energy than they produce? | Environment | theguardian.com

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anyone????

What actually are subsidies for?

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Which subsides do you mean?

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I dont know...everyone keeps mentioning subsidies which the public pay for to have the windturbines built and I was just wondering what they are and who gets them and why?

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If (and it's a big if) ALL the (true) costs of wind farms were made public, there would be a public outcry to ban the (god forbidden) things overnight (which camo's father just so happens to have a finger in.
David Cameron?s father-in-law?s £350,000 annual bung? | windfarmaction

Perhaps they should just let the things run and 'discount' that price to us mere mortal consumers for that period, instead of paying producers to turn them off :confused:
Wind farms paid £30m to shut down during high winds - Telegraph
Instead of wasting our money, use it to build a massive hydroelectricity lake etc. Storing excess in rechargeable batteries, This is an easy way to store electricity.
There are quite a few different of ways but major rechargeable batteries sound good, these batteries could then be run all over the country to where electricity is needed.
Whatever happens we need to get energy prices down and paying to switch off turbines that generate electricity is messed up (it's no wonder so many landholders and companies are so willing to build these monstrosities, despite their inefficiency in electricity production).....

It stinks of corruption IMHO :D