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A letter to the hospital resulted in a promise they would review their procedures. In that particular case, they could have done more to help someone genuinely distraught at the awful decision they had to make. Maybe the ward staff saw "elective" and assumed it was someone who couldn't keep their knees together, or someone whose career was a priority at that time. I can empathise to a degree with their less than perfect treatment of that patient when their job is to help bring new life into the world, but I've no idea if they could make their value judgements based on the notes because I don't know if the reason for termination ever gets that far. Quote:
I'd call the thread "Morality when disposing of human remains." but then that would spark the debate about when a fœtus becomes a human. I just think this is all just sensationalism on the part of the journalist. Terminations can be for a variety of reasons, and for some couples it will be a deeply distressing and possibly life-changing trauma. For others it won't bother them too much. The hospital needs to be able to deal with each appropriately and as long as they've got the assessment of the parent(s) right, I don't have a problem with them using existing facilities to cleanly dispose of human body parts or terminations. Just wait for the next one - "Amputee war heroes' limbs used to heat Camp Bastion" |
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What a heavy thread this is. I think the title could've been thought out better. I need to think about this more rather than stumble a response
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Got to admit I'm suffering just a little '****edoffitus', so here's a bit of site history for you, dthep and anyone else that thinks they are hard done by. 5 or 6 years ago, the site was troubled by people like you, the owner told us he was planning to shut the site down because he didn't think it worth keeping open for the ungrateful returns from putting his own money into the site. Mick and I worked hard to talk him out of it, he thought about it then decided with a couple of conditions:- 1/ Administrative control would be passed on to Mick. 2/ I was to use what ever talents I had to quash anyone considered a threat to the site. 3/ If either of us left he would close the site down. 4/ If either of us mentioned this on site, he would close the site down. This isn't because I or Mick are part of a clique, it is because of Mick's proven loyalty to the site and I am his relative and he wants to keep an eye on the site by the family. Well, now the secret is out, I hope what Roy said all those years ago, was an idle threat, if it isn't well tough on all of you rotten apples, I know there have been many times both I and Mick wanted to throw in the towel but carried on for the sake of the many friends we've made on here, not for the sake of idiots like you two. We will just have to wait and see what Roy's reaction will be, personally, to paraphrase Rhett Butler, Frankly my dears I no longer give a damn.' Are you two and the many others that we have weedled off the site proud of yourselves? |
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Why do you assume that someone who was having a termination of pregnancy'could not be bothered to use contraception'? Do you know this to be the case? Have you never heard of contraceptive failure...that is not failing to use it, but using it and for some reason, it fails? A termination of pregnancy has to be sanctioned by two doctors who have to sign that the woman in questions fulfils the criteria of the 1967 Abortion Act. So it isn't just by request. How did your close friends partner know what any other patient was having done...since the treatment of patients is confidential? It is not the fault of the NHS if patients wish to talk about what they are having done. Can you imagine if all patients who were having a pregnancy terminated(for whatever reason) went to one designated ward....a ward where no other treatment was performed. Very soon the community at large would dub this place 'the abortion ward'....so NO woman would be able to keep her treatment confidential.....because if she was going to this ward she could only be having one thing. When patients go into a gynaecology ward they could be next to someone who is having investigations for infertility, investigations into unexplained bleeding - in fact any number of 'women's' complaints. Only they(and of course the medical team) know what they are having done...unless they choose to discuss it, it is no-one else's business. Each patient is getting the treatment they need.......and this is being done in an appropriately sensitive manner. Now that early termination of pregnancy is done by medical means(i.e. tablets) Women who opt for this, only stay in the hosptial for a couple of hours. Many of them will abort at home....and like as not flush the products of conception down the toilet...and give this no thought at all. |
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Seems like on this issue, the the Kingdom of Uk is lagging behind the colonies. It appears that we do some things better over here ... playing hockey and shovelling snow come to mind;) Here in Kingston, all a woman has to do is show up at the Women's Clinic (open to all women; no age of consent) where she will receive all the help she needs: medical, psychological, and, if she wishes, spiritual. And then, it's up to her. That's the way it should be. |
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Eric the road to abortion was hard fought over here.
I started on the Gynae ward in October 1977...as a very new staff nurse. One of the very first ladies I saw almost die, had had a botched abortion. This despite the fact that abortion had been legal(but still not easy to obtain) for 10 years. Her religion and her shame meant that she couldn't go to her practice (a staunchly catholic doctor) and the receptionist who was known to her family. She felt that the only way out was to get someone (who thought they knew what to do) to do it for her. She almost paid with her life.......and the surgery she needed, meant that she would never ever have a child of her own. Terminating a pregnancy is never easy......and it is so easy to be judgemental, when in fact we should be saying 'there but for the grace of.....' |
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I know you mean well Margaret but sometimes I do think you are blinkered by your loyalty to your profession and think all is good with the NHS |
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