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Can somebody from our council explain to me why there was appox 30 cars parked outside the town hall today, the area is restricted to traffic yet we allow cars to park under the town hall arch without any fines being impossed on illegal parking. I understand it was an asian wedding which it would seem allows a complete and utter change of road traffic laws, equality it seems is out the window, if I park there tomorrow I would have a ticket before I locked the door.
so come on elected officers explain this please or is it simply that we dont prosecute certain members of the public. My money says I wont get a response ....

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Yeh should ask the policeforce the same question duggie, no-ones got the balls to tell yeh straight,:rolleyes::(

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My blood pressure was normal until I read your post Duggie.
As a "retired gentleman of leisure", so my business card now says, I am too polite to say what I think about inequality suffered by the original home grown on English soil, hard working members of the community, who may I add, don't refer to going home to land on distant shore even though they were born here.

Rant over, pill under tongue, nice warm drink to calm me down.

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That's if you can get through. The plod wont bother.

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Take your Horlicks

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Did you get any photos?

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I have one on my mobile but dont know how to post them on here

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what was the reason for the parking, were they using the hall for a function. that should not make any difference but it may be useful to know in case i need to park there one morning.

Horlick's taken Frank along with a treble Glayva.

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This is not a police matter. Traffic wardens are employed either by the council or a firm which operates under the bye-laws for the council.

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Traffic Wardens do not work on Sundays

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sorry bob your wrong, traffic laws are being broken, it is classed as pedestrian zone check out the road signs, it is the same as a speed limit sign yet town hall bosses have allowed this illegal act, I will be taking this up with the police and I will be writing to the town hall to get thier opinion

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Why have all traffic cops been made redundant since last year.?:rolleyes:

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i dont knwo teh rules of teh town center parking at that location but if it was an asian wedding teh chances are most cars will be taxis and i think they are allowed there

hate to sound stereotyping but lets face it the words asian , driver and taxi pretty much go together pretty well ..

yes we get a lot of chineese taxi drivers :D

the rest are pa....

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I think you're wrong accyman, if they were taxis they'd have stopped in the middle of the road.

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No it's only buses which means that HBC's own van which is often parked there is also illegal.

have a look at the signs on google streetview in the links below

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7531...JNxO2DXaWg!2e0

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7529...xB_bnBq3hA!2e0

Those signs make it a Police matter not a traffic warden issue

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although power to punish parking violations was given to councils to help take teh burden off the police i was under the impression that the police mainly traffic officers could still issue penalties and fines

if a traffic warden gets you parking on zigzags you only get a fine but if a police officer gets you then you get the 3 points as well.Its about time traffic wardens were given teh power to issue points as well because at least they will punish people for parking on zigzags where as from what i have witnesse don many occasions the police wont.

it really irks me when i see a traffic officer drive past someone parked on zigzags becaus ethem zigzags are there for a reason and thats everyones safety even more so than double yellow lines

basically once teh traffic wardens knock off at 6pm its a free for all because it seems illigal parking offences are beneath the police.I guess theres no thrill in chasing a stationary car and you dont get to put teh flashy lights on.

if only we had some sort of representitive who was willing to look into and ask why people arnt been punished for parking dangerously and jumping red lights etc .

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Anyone notice the benches surrounding the town hall in that picture?

How come they are placed all around the town hall and yet only 50 yards away it's a bench free zone outside the Market Hall?
Are our druggies and cider drinkers too lazy to stagger the distance? Or is there some other reason why they can be trusted to sit outside our Council offices?

:confused:

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Going in to Accy this morning I noticed an elderly gentleman with a worried look on his face being spoken to by a traffic warden. His car was parked near to the Calder pub on a single yellow line. I think some people are seen as easy targets, funny how you rarely see a warden up the other way past the railway bridge where cars are parked on double yellows and even on the pavement all the time. I've seen drivers park up on yellow lines and go and get their hair cut at the Asian barbers but nothing ever seems to get done about it, its so unfair.

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Yeh should know the story of the cop who booked 5 cars in the area yer on about, n got back to station n was bollocked n told to rip em up.:(:rolleyes:

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That's one way of bringing our communities together in harmony, not! I think its time WE played the R card but, there again, I don't think being English is classed as a race is it? :rolleyes:

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i can only conclude that they are trying to attract crime to the area.:D

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Is that the mayoral car in the front of the picture?

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Dunno, but it wouldn't be a big suprise.:rolleyes:

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As much as i dislike parking enforcement (stealth tax), i believe it to be a 'necessary evil' but parking restrictions should apply only to the law of obstruction and should not be a way of just making money out of folk :(.

It's unfair imo for one group of folk (outside the law of obstruction) to arbitrarily decide where and for how long a person should be allowed to park, but to have folk that are also (allegedly) exempt from these rules is a joke :eek:

If we are to have parking enforcement (stealth tax) it needs to be fair,transparent and lawful and if folk are to be ticketed for being late back and not kepping to their 'prescribed hours' or parked on double yellows then the council surely has a duty to abide by the law themselves (this is one of many instances were they seem to have failed to do that).

Parking Wardens were originally introduced to decrease the amount of cars that were blocking streets, roads and to help improve traffic flow, unfortunately, this seems to have been abused by our local Council.....

... seems you can anywhere (if your paying). :rolleyes: :(

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Fairly sure the local council don't employ traffic wardens, it's county council.

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I spend a lot of time in the blind Welfare shop on Bank Street Accrington.
There are the same cars parked on the street most of the day and no one bothers them.
Warner street next to it is patrolled a few times a day and parking tickets stuck to car windscreens which have stayed longer than the time stated on the notices.
We asked the warden why no one bothers on Bank street, some of our elderly volunteers are afraid to park for more than an hour in case they get ticketed.

He replied " We have been told not to patrol Bank Street"
When I said "OK then mate I will start to park here now instead of opposite the job centre"
He replied once more " Ah but I may get a phone call any-time to start patrolling Bank Street."

I have a very suspicious mind. No further comment.

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Another rant of mine regarding favouritism on parking offences.
There are two barbers shops near the railway arch on Blackburn road and two cars were parked outside one and one outside the opposite one.

I was going to order flowers for my wife's funeral and was in a mood ony people who have experiences such sorrow will understand.
The florist is almost next door to the barbers and I parked in front of one of the cars to go into the shop.
A warden was approaching and had a word with me about moving on. I told him to give the other cars a ticket first as I would not be a minute and the flowers would thrive through his bum fluff where I would stick them.
Expecting a ticket, more so because of my attitude, I was prepared for a battle but he just turned and walked back towards the Town centre.

Fairs fair OK, but not when it's only fair,, shut up Gremlin before you dig YOURSELF into AN EARLY GRAVE THROUGH A HEART ATTACK.
I don't know why I read this thread, I woke up from my afternoon nap in a good mood.

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Have a couple of beers and Chill, Russell

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Parking isnt the issue, the road is a pedestrian area between the roundabout and the east side of the town hall. The cars have broken traffic laws not parking laws, none of the cars pictured are taxis and none are mayors etc.
the benches had been moved so that guests could sit down outside. If you look carefully one car was parked half into the middle of the road and a bus had to reverse and go back because the road was blocked. It's about time the police take enforcement a little more serious

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Cheers Frank, I only have cold lager in my fridge so a pair has already gone down well.
Not bothered going out tonight.

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The No Entry sign says buses only. Taxi's and the Mayor car can't drive through it nor can the HBC van I saw parked outside the other day.

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You really are talking rubbish with all your stealth tax comments. It's simple, park where you are allowed and you wont have to pay a fine. Accrington must be one of the best places for free parking and yet people still park illegally. They should all get fined.

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I thought the zig zags were so you could use the cash machine at Lloyds on Union Road and bus stop is there so you can park while you shop in the village panties

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Your not shopping in my panties

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they also provide dedicated parking for the chipshop next to my pals shop

even when the designated parking spaces are completely free people still dump their cars on the zigzags because god forbid they burned off a few calories walking to get their chips

id skip the fine and go straight to towing away cars for parking on zigzags its inexcusable and pure lazyness

ps:

id rather you didnt shop in my panties as well lol

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I do my shopping commando style.

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Does that mean with a knife between your teeth Less, a grenade in one hand and an AK45 in tother?

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lets just say he dosnt have a gun but somethings cocked

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I thought the zigzag lines meant absolutely no parking regardless, so anyone stopping, let alone parking is breaking the law. :confused:

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Absolutely right. Also - no overtaking.

It isn't a stealth tax, it's a punishment for breaking the rules. What are the alternatives?

• Ignore it - then what's the point of having parking regulations?
• "Please don't do that again" - yeah, like that's going to work
• Point(s) on the licence - overstay your welcome in a timed parking bay 12 times and you lose the right to drive. I like the idea, but it's easy enough for drunks, speeders and football players to stay behind the wheel, so I can't see it being effective for serial offenders.
• Crushed car - A bit extreme
• Public flogging - actually...
• Prison - OK now you're just being ridiculous.

A fixed penalty is an effective punishment for a relatively minor offence. Nobody likes to pay money for nothing in return, and won't see the few minutes of extra parking they got that nobody else gets as the benefit of the £30 or whatever they have to pay.

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No they haven't the benches outside the town hall are always where they are. The benches outside the market hall were removed to stop drunks and beggars annoying folk, broken when removed then scrapped. So now the old and disabled have nowhere in that area to sit. It is far easier and cheaper to inconvenience, ordinary folk than to move the culprits on, I think the town hall could spare at least one bench for genuine shoppers?

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Public flogging would be my choice of punishment.
See if Allah would spare the pain.

They could draw lots to see who wanted to wield the whip.

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Put me down fer a gross of tickets please.:D

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:D

:eek: :s_sick:

Try and get PC plod to do anything about a parking issue and my guess is they really wouldn't want to know unless it's dangerous parking (I may be wrong).

Some may argue that parking fines are no bad thing and that it’s better to charge a minority who have broken a "rule" than raise the level of say council tax for everyone (god forbid they do what struggling businesses have done for years and make cuts :rolleyes:).
I just think motorists pay more than enough already to councils/gov ......

.....maybe (I'm right) it's just a "stealth tax" on those silly enough to park illegally? I've been driving for years and never had any of this "stealth tax" applied to me :D

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I would argue that you know little but assume a great deal, compared to other members.

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There`s nothing stealthy about it AccyEx, if you can drive then you should know the parking laws, break them and you run the risk of a fine.

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If you have driven for years and not had a parking ticket, then you stayed within the law and parked wisely(or perhaps you just didn't get caught).
I do not see parking fines as a stealth tax as they are avoidable by parking legally.

Yes, in many ways motorists are seen as 'fair game' in the raising of funds.....and yes motorists already pay what would seem to be a goodly amount for their wish to drive.

That is how it is.....the motorist has choices....like it or lump it....or get the bus(though this can be a bit hit and miss in the evenings, Bank Holidays and Sundays.....more miss than hit)....there is always Shanks pony....but for short distances only.

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Same here, have driven near 40 yrs never had a ticket, have occasionally parked were i shouldn't, but have got away wi it, if i get caught, pointless me bitching about it, thats life.a bigger n more valid bitch to me is speeding, have been done fer 34 MPH, in a 30 zone, now thats worth bitching about in my view, the police used to allow yeh around 6/7 mph, cos speedos aint 100% accurate, or so n ex Liverpool Cop i worked wi told me, that practice seems to have gone out the window, now thats more "Stealth" to me.

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I get that folk are responsible for their actions and yes if you park blocking emergency access,park dangerously etc that you should have the law applied....

...I guess I'll stand alone being against restrictions which see fines handed out to customers parking in our town centre area for a few minutes here and there (possibly driving down already struggling business as result) :D

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Rules on speedo accuracy have changed Cashman, that`s probably why that rule doesn`t apply anymore. Can`t find a link just yet, but they can no longer show less than what you are travelling, but can show up to 10% faster. So if your speedo is showing 30, then you might, and probably are only doing about 28, but you will not be going over 30.

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There`s plenty of free parking.

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if ya cant find anywhre to park in a ghost town like accy then you have serious eyesight problems or are extreemely lazy and cant manage the extra few yards parking leggaly requires lol

i bet theres some out there that have parked on the mini roundabout next to the yorkshire bank to nip into greggs to get a steakbake

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Don't forget all the people who park right outside argos. I I was a bus or lorry driver I would have side-swiped a few of them by now. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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My Neice has received a "fine" of a hundred pounds today for 26 minutes worth of parking on Whalley Arms car park.
The photos included shows the car twice and the time difference.
OK she should have noticed the sign but can a private company acquire her details from DVLA and how can they "fine". They are not magistrates.
The lass is seventeen and a new driver.
Who knows who these peepers are and are they the sort who would turn up at her house and peep at her there.

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im not sure but i dont think she has to pay that and i agree it is wrong that almost anyone can access the dvla database

theres been a lot of news lately about private parking fines and how in most cases you dont have to pay

personally unless a copper or a traffic warden issued teh ticket id ignore it

who has issued teh fine ?

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They can't fine her gremlin, it will worded as a parking charge. If she doesn't pay they will send nasty letters threatening court action but very unlikely they will take it that far.

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That was my initial advice gpick, but I was open for suggestions.

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Google "parking eye" lots of info out there about it.

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The girls mother just rung with the following.

ParkingEye is the company and they are the people you appeal to if you dispute it.
It is an unpaid parking charge they are claiming.

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Never had a car that showed me going slower, they are always out on the being careful side thought. At 70mph on the clock satnav thinks I am doing 67mph. Satnav is more accurate because your speedo reading can change slightly as your tyres wear. I thought they allowed 10% still

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I ASSUME if she has parked on private land and breached terms made by the owner (clearly sign posted,she will have entered into a (assumed) contract with the landowner) then the owner (or someone authorised by them) may give her a parking ticket.
This might look like an official "fixed penalty" but it's a 'notice' that the owner of the car park intends to take her to a civil court, and they will offer to let you pay the £100 to settle the case out of court. It'd be a civil matter and if she was prepared to fight it all the way there is a (slim) chance of them dropping it........I'd also assume the parking operators will have a deal with the DVLA were the DVLA sell her info to them for a fee.
All assumptions though G ;)

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I wouldn't bother with the appeal myself. I have one from soccer dome in Blackburn, I was there legitimately, been in to reception twice now and they've faxed parking eye telling them to cancel but they still haven't.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=3761697

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I thought it was 10%+2, and only a guideline so down to discretion of the officer I guess. New rules on speedo accuracy came in 2001 from what I've read today.

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Cant see what everyone is moaning about there are plenty of parking space on Blackburn Road and you wont get a ticket:rolleyes::(
and its not to far to a bus stop and shops:D

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The law enforcement has long been a total joke.:(

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I'd always challenge/appeal any tickets g (even if I know I'm in the wrong :D).
The worst thing you can do with these leeches is write to them and admit that you were parked on their land. Like I've said,it is a civil matter and private companies can't "fine" you.
I don't think you legally have to pay any fine unless it is formally issued directly by a government department (police,court , council , HMRC).

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A few years back I saw a memo issued to chief police officers saying that they shouldn't fine if a car was doing under 35 in a 30 limit, 46 in a 40 limit and so on. It was only advisory though and I think had a time limit that will have expired by now so don't know if anything else has replaced it.

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They never claim it to be a fine, it`s as you said earlier a breech of contract and they are invoicing you for losses. If you don`t pay, worst they can do is take you to small claims court.

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which will cost them court fees and legal fees thatthey cant get back so at best they would break even if they won

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They lose money taking people to court, but there was that much on the internet saying "ignore them, they never take you to court", they take that loss with the hope others will just pay.

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This thread, while being very interesting and worthwhile in terms of swapping stories and advice about parking, has actually wandered from the original point, which I don't think anyone has yet answered.

Who gave authority for cars to blatantly ignore parking restrictions outside the Town hall on Sunday?

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Well our councillor members certainly won't answer that question, n nor will the police, (Fact) cos i asked em.:rolleyes: so how can any of us answer? wandering seems to be the only option, whem certain members won't address it.

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My answer would be that nobody gave them authority to park there.
I'd say that since someone was hiring out our town hall function room etc, those that would/should enforce traffic regulations in that area turn a blind eye to parking outside due to the council making money.
I may be wrong and the front of the town hall doubles as a designated parking area when booking the function room, in that case, it would be the council that gives permission to park there.

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Have you contacted the Town Hall to ask them why they didn't do something about it at the time? Have you contacted the Police with your photo's? Or are you just expecting something to happen because you had a moan on the internet?

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Yer aint at the races today,Neil the photos Hyndburner didn't put on,twas duggie.:D

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While we're wandering :D, does anyone know if our town centre shops rent/rates have a fee incorporated for the "free parking" that our lovely town offers?

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No. I wasn't aware that was a requirement of reading and commenting on somebody else's queries raised.


:confused::confused::confused:

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No, because if the Council introduced parking charges, the rates (which are set nationally) would stay the same.

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Ride past Wheat street and Grimshaw street on Blackburn Road around 13.00 every day and see all the cars parked on the yellow lines and on the pavement...not a warden or copper in sight...you can guess why....

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The reason I posted this in the first place was to get a debate going and it seems to have worked. You may remember I challenged anyone from the town hall or council to comment but heyho it seems they are all on holiday, as we are all aware it seems that the colour of your skin means that you obey or disobey certain traffic regulations. Enough said, goodnight, by the way when was the last time you saw a young asian chap wearing a seat belt

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Most rents are private landlords and business rates are set by government.

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They aint all away on holiday, far from it, have seen 2 of those members this week.

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Are you suggesting that if your Asian you can cherry pick which laws you obey?
How very racist duggie :D

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Oh well I'll blame it on my age :D

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Same answer to you that I posted to the wrong person the other day because I am an idiot.
Have you just told us or reported to Police and made a complaint to [email protected] who will most likely try and blame Hyndburn Leisure

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blame it on cashy's hes got loads more of it :D

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But no apology!

Noted

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That's the WWW for you, learn to live with it, or whine, your choice.

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Thanks for that, Less.

Goes to show that you can surf the web daily for 20 years, and still learn something new every day!

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Only 20 years, huh, newbie!

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Well the Internet started in 1989, and you joined Accy Web in 2004, Less. Talk us through those 15 years. Must have been an exciting, pioneering time?

I got my first computer from PC World at Whitebirk in about 1994, and I think you had to warm the valves up to get it started.

Were there really internet chatrooms during that time, where people learned to live with it, or whine?

I can't wait to hear!

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We can all look up wiki, can you tell me what you know about my history with the www?
Don't come the superior, I was involved with computers in the 60's, only as a low tech' minion, but then, that would only add to your superior feeling.
Many folk just get on with it.
By the way, due to a minor glitch not worth repairing all that joined accyweb before 2004 ended up as members from then on.
Contribute or shut up.
:)

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Me too...

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i thought i was going to see some law enforcement on blackburn road today but alas the yellow copper didnt seem to have a working flash installed so i dont think it took a picture of teh guy flying past it

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One rule for some and one rule for law abiding citizens..

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Hyndburn Leisure van illegally drove through the no vehicles sign and parked outside the town hall again while I was down town the other day

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The signs state "No vehicles except Buses". Surely this also applies to Council Vehicles and delivery vehicles as well as private drivers? Perhaps they should reconsider the wording of the signs or at least install a camera, as you never see a policeman in the area, and fine everyone contravening the signs.

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The council may have permission to drive through the area and park there. Its them that approve the permission so its them that can get it easiest.

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Isn't traffic management controlled by LCC rather than the whims of the local Council?

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The sign is clear so I don't see how they can - that includes the Mayors car. There is a parking spot round the corner outside the council building entrance at the end of Broadway that is reserved for Town Hall deliveries. You can see it in this google maps image if this works https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.75...eMfg!2e0?hl=en