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Interesting that there is no discussion on this site about the Labour Leadership Contest.

What do we think? It strikes me that Jeremy Corbyn is scoring major bonus points with over simple, almost child like,70s retro comments about anti-austerity, tax and spend, no students fees, batter the rich, nationalise industry, get rid of Trident etc etc etc without having the remotest idea how to fund it all in a 2015 World Economy.(or is that it? Does he really care?)

The alternative? I'm sorry, but Andy who? Yvette who? And the other one who is supposedly a Blairite but I can't even recall her Christian name, never mind her surname. All totally charisma free.

What a completely sorry state for a major opposition party to find itself in!

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That's one of the strange things about politicians, some can be remembered (and what they said) years after they died, others cannot be remembered even when they are alive(?) and in the news.

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It will be a bad thing if the Labour Party gets pulled down and loses its attraction.
Every government needs a good, strong opposition to hold it in check, hold it to account, offer an alternative for next time.
The SNP only want one thing, the Liberals don't exist.
Without a strong Labour the extremes in the Tory Party will think they can go on the rampage.
That's not good. Extremes in any party or anything else are never good.

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well i suppose its a bit like fighting for the job of been captain of the titanic

your gonna end up on a sinking ship

the day milliband got elected as party leader was the last day government had a strong opposition

were stuck with tories for a long time regardless of what spin them red rose wearing twonks put on it

they lied to and betrayed this country too many times and it will be along time before they get forgiven by those that swung to tory

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I think people are just so overwhelmed with the excitement of politics it leaves us all speechless :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

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Whats really funny is the rest saying Corbyn will set Labour back years, pmsl they mean like Blair n Milliband already have, and thats exactly why the public in general want him.

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Do the public in general want Corbyn? It seems to me that the people who want him are leftwing socialists. The majority of the public (including me) aren't leftwing socialists, so if he does get voted in as leader, he'll have as much chance of leading Labour to victory as Michael Foot did in the 80's. Admittedly, the rest of the candidates aren't a very inspiring bunch. To my way of thinking, Alan Johnson would've made an excellent and electable Labour leader - a man who combines compassion with common sense in a way that would've caught the imagination of floating voters like me.

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I think it's a shame Chuka Umunna backed out. A bit inexperienced but more personality than those with experience. A sharp mind to make up for it. And he'd have another five years to get a lot more experience!
Still, perhaps the fact that he backed out showed he wasn't the man for the job. Or is he just biding his time?

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Dont know wyn, but many i speak to want him n i wouldn't class them as left wing socialists.

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Seems strange to me, Cashy, that people who aren't leftwing socialists would vote for a leftwing socialist leader who is going to put leftwing socialist ideas into practice. Personally I can think of lots of reasons not to vote for him, but one in particular is his refusal to condemn the atrocities of the IRA which, to my way of thinking, is an insult to the victims and their families.

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I honestly think people are voting fer him,simply cos they are pig sick of the party Blair constructed, its that simple to me. they gave it a chance at first as everyone virtually did, but they became Tories in socialist garb. imho.

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He has said what he would like to do.....but not where he will get the money to do it.
(nationalising the utilities , the railways and bringing back mining is not going to come cheap.......and this is not counting what he wants to spend on welfare.......If he thinks that raisng tax levels for the rich will do it he is sadly and badly mistaken - they will just take their assets elsewhere...not good for UK plc)
He is keen to jump into bed with the SNP with the aim of getting back into government(I think this will put a lot of English voters off).
There is no doubting his sincerity or his passion(and maybe that is what makes him seem an attractive proposition), but if he does become leader of the Labour party then I feel that this will condemn the Labour party to a long time in opposition......having said that the other candidates have all the allure of a dead hedgehog.

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Dont matter what hes said, my point is simple, the arrogance of the other candidates is immense, they are saying "ALL" the Labour members are knobheads and have NO idea at all. instead of concentrating on what they are gonna do, they call the guy. I am not a member of the Labour Party these days, and NEVER would be again, after seeing the arrogance of these clowns that have lost the last 2 elections, and have the cheek to criticize someone who wants to do different, they may treat labour members as knobheads, but not this kid.

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Jeremy Corbyn can talk all he likes.....he may be a horse of a different colour, but none of his words are worth much, none of his ideas about policies are worth anything at all because in opposition they cannot be put into action.......Cashy it is about what he says....because what he says is how he will be judged.
If what he says doesn't add up then his credibility is shot to pieces.

Yes, there is a lot of arrogance in politics. The fact that the politicians think the electorate haven't got the brains to bless themselves with.
For far too long the electorate has been treated shabbily.....the politicians seem to think they know what is good for us....without actually listening to what we want.

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Seems like from what I read that Corbyn is the only one who can lead a party offering something really different from the tories ... New Labor only offers the same make and model of crappy car, only theirs comes in red rather than blue. Cashy is right on about this.

By the way, we have an election coming up. The slimebucket tory PM called the longest campaign in history. His party has the biggest war chest. He thinks he can spend his way to victory, probably hoping if he throws out a bunch of expensive attack ads folks won't notice that his expertise in managing the economy was a mirage ... tory "prosperity" is tied to the world price of oil, and we all know in which direction that's going.

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Thats my whole point, if his credibilty gets shot to pieces it will be or should be, by the people if they vote him in, not by other candidates saying the membership is stupid.

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Corbyn,Kinnock,Foot,all losers.

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Really jack your the loser,Corbyn has never yet been the leader, though Milliband n Brown were.among a few more.:rolleyes:

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UKIP was offering something different to the Tories.....they didn't get elected.
Jeremy Corbyn might be offering something different, but he isn't convincing in how it is going to be put into practice......
And different doesn't always equate to better.
That's it from me on this one.

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What Jeremy Corbyn is offering is the same old, same old peddled by the likes of Ken Livingstone, Derek Hatton and the rest back in the day...let the state take everything over and it'll all be OK, pro-IRA, protesting about Palestine but conveniently ignoring the oppression in a "socialist paradise" like North Korea.

The electorate rejected it back then and they'll reject it again if Corbyn becomes Labour leader. And that'll leave no effective opposition against Cameron and Osborn which will prove a disaster for this country.

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Yeh mean like they rejected Blair when they saw through him?:rolleyes: and every other leader of Labour since?:rolleyes:He destroyed the Labour Party, but still it got him elected.

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Yep....socialism is dead....it died when Michael Foot (who in my opinion was the best prime minister this country never had) was considered unelectable by the newspaper barons of the day because he always appeared unkempt. The sheep listened and voted Thatcher in...

Meanwhile Thatcherism is flourishing...

Covent Garden ex-council flat sells for £1.2m - BBC News

Wonder where the thatcherites expect the guy who empties the bins, fixes the burst pipes or drives the ambulance to live.

Meanwhile the tory-lite labour party is pretty much near the knuckle advocating electoral fraud, as three candidates are telling their supporters to vote anyone but Corbyn as a second choice.

As for his nationalisation and welfare ideas, thats what they are at this stage, thoughts and ideas, they are not policies, they are not set in stone, despite what the daily mail and its ilk are claiming.

I don't see anyone asking what Burnham or Coopers 'policies' are, I only see press reports damning Corbyns none existent 'policies'

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Quite right, mate but Corbyn ain't the answer. He's no chance of winning any elections for Labour.

What makes me laugh is that the sort of stuff Corbyn comes out with ("We're all human beings on one planet. We're all there to support our fellow humanity.") is exactly the sort of stuff that Accyexplorer comes out with on a regular basis. Apparently, this makes him a bleeding heart do-gooder, but it makes Corbyn a future PM. Go figure.

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No he isn't the answer, but then again neither are the other three.

Lets be honest, the tories will get in next time too..Labour as a 'party of the people' have been royally screwed by Blair and Brown, Milliband was someone history has already forgotten. It needs someone to shake the cage, and if it has to be Corbyn then I'm all for it.

Hopefully, someone with a semblance of common sense socialism will challenge for the leadership after the next election...it's what most of us are hoping for

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What I'm hoping for is Alan Johnson - an eminently decent and sensible bloke with the common touch. I reckon he'd really capture the "man on the street" vote. Sadly, it isn't going to happen!

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One of the refreshing aspects of Jeremy Corbyn's campaign has been his refusal to go in for personal attacks on his opponents .

He deals with issues , not personalities .

But on a personal note , there has been much criticism in recent years , not least on this forum , of the shameful abuse of expenses by parliamentarians . Throughout , and I am up for correction , but I sure I am right , Jeremy Corbyn has been the lowest claimer .

As for being a "left-wing socialist".....well I always thought socialists were by definition left-wing .

The Labour Party can stay as it is , a pink version of the Conservative Party , or it can return to its traditional values , socialist values , and give the electorate a choice . If they don't like it they won't vote for it .

It is interesting to say the least , and as for the knee-jerk reaction of some , no doubt fired up by what they encounter in the media , well I have seen it all before .

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I've seen it all before too, Colin. and I've seen the likes of Michael Foot fail miserably at the ballot box, because the people of this country don't want an extreme leftwing government. However I would expect you to support him as you hold a consistent set of full-blooded socialist values, so fair play to you.

Can't understand why others on here are so fervent in their support for him, though. There's recently been a thread on here about the immigrant crisis in Calais and the general consensus was keep 'em out/send 'em back/build bigger fences/send in the military etc. I'm not saying that's necessarily a good approach, but does anyone seriously believe that Corbyn would do that?

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depends who his deputy is. i am open minded about this. a tactical vote to try and see if the snp kid on left wing slogans stand up to jeremy corbyns ideals

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To be honest i dont really give a damn, Labours burnt their bridges long ago with me,one or two of the lower M.P.s are ok, the rest just greedy overrated cheating gets. UKIP got slated wi the press before the election, but they still got more votes than expected, i think Corbyn will do the same.and i hope he does personally.

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Jeremy with his comrades...and how thoughtful of him to hold a minute's silence for the IRA members killed by our lads in 1987. Pass me the sick bucket. Jeremy Corbyn sips coffee with 'comrades' Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness in Parliament - Telegraph

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How accurate is the Telegraph , Wyn ?

The report speaks of eight IRA members killed by the SAS in an ambush in Gibraltar. Not true .

People "higher up" than Jeremy Corbyn have met Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams......

The Queen also met Martin McGuinness .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVMBC2CvNA

And Prince Charles met Gerry Adams.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYpdKWIEUO8

And the Telegraph's biography of Jeremy Corbyn in 60 seconds.....well , not worthy of comment .

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She had to as part of her job spec, tied on with Peace Agreement, he did it because he wants to...it embelishes his trendy chic radical pretensions. As for the SAS ambush and killing of the IRA, you're right, the eight were killed in Co. Antrim and three in Gibraltar the year after.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 7 | 1988: IRA gang shot dead in Gibraltar

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have japan yet apologised..?
if people are looking for an alternative
give them a real one..

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And Ian Duncan Smith continues to make his cull ….

Thousands have died after being found fit for work, DWP figures show | Society | The Guardian

by taking an amalgam of ideas from Mad Max, Mein Kampf and Nietzsche, putting them in a bag, shaking them up and employing a pay by results French company called Atos.

That targets those with terminal illnesses who are passed as fit because they can walk a few yards or raise their hands above their heads. And don’t even get me started on a bedroom tax that forces people out of their family homes.

This is someone who feels the need to distinguish himself by using his middle name to elevate himself from all the other bog standard, ordinary Ian Smiths out there. I’m not one of those people….Nyah Nyah I have a different name and I'm better!…

I’m not prone to violence but I would cheerily deck this muppet with a wheel brace and watch while he waited for an ambulance to take him to an overworked (or closed) casualty department..

Meanwhile Cameron gives an election promise to reduce peerages yet adds more during his tenure as PM than Thatcher…and to add insult to injury his latest addition includes the guy who ripped us all off by claiming a couple of grand to clean his moat….(Hands up everyone who told their kids that honesty was the best policy)

You tories do know that if they all turned up to ‘the house’, there wouldn’t be enough seats for them, then again if they do turn up and fall asleep for an hour or so for a day….they still earn around four times as much as someone on jobseekers allowance gets a week…and they can claim expenses!!

But hey..lets take the mick out of a guy who likes the idea of vulnerable women feeling safe on trains....(here's a non PC view...ask any young woman if they'd feel safe walking their dog through corporation park in Blackburn after dark)

Despite everything that is going on our MP who, was voted in under the 'labour' tag, continues to constantly bang on about fixed odds betting terminals, (which incidentally are a personal choice like smoking, taking drugs and drinking) and his only comment on the leadership election...

Graham Jones ‏@GrahamJones_MP Aug 23
Traditional Labour values are work, personal responsibility, community & a safety net. Not 1970's militant, hard left London liberalism.

Obviously someone who has absolutely no idea about the meaning of 'traditional', 'labour' and 'values'!!

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I've not been following it but I wouldn't be surprised if they picked a woman. Positive discrimination appears to be the flavour of the day in politics for the last few years

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Whilst i agree about positive discrimination, both women are useless, so unless stupidity is a factor, it wont shock me.:D

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somebody must be scared of Corbyn after being discredited in the Murdoch press.he is left of left but some of his policies are pro-British bringing back British rail and bringing the utilities back into public yes British public ownership etc people say it will be impossible but it wont be remember the east line brought £420 million in for the tax payer and the Tories rushed through the franchise last year. i would actually leave the European union if this is what it would take to get the utilities back into British government ownership. plus if this what it takes to ween voters in Scotland off the nationalists i am all for it. so its Corbyn for me.

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So presumably, all those who have expressed support for Corbyn are in favour of us scrapping our nuclear deterrent? I never realised Accyweb was such a hotbed of unilateralism!

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Isn't the Scottish Crone singing from the same hymn sheet over nuclear weapons?

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She certainly is, Barrie; the problem is that, as far as I can see, the majority of the electorate and even the majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party aren't in favour of unilaterally scrapping our nuclear deterrent at the moment, so if Comrade Corbyn is elected leader, he may have his work cut out!

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Well i agree the majority i speak with, have no wish to do away with our nuclear deterrent, but doubt very much Corbyn will try to do away wi it if elected, Thing is as i see it, too many are being brainwashed wi the media, the normal tactic used, I have no doubt at all that would have certainly been on his agenda a few years ago, but he dont strike me as stupid, though many of the public do.:D

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You don't have to be "brainwashed" to see that Corbyn is a committed unilateralist and has been for his whole political life. One thing I will say about the man is that he sticks to his principles absolutely, unlike many others in Parliament who alter their views for the sake of political expediency. To think that if he becomes leader, he will then jetison one of his most cherished beliefs - that nuclear weapons are immoral - is totally and utterly wrong, in my view.

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He will stick to his principles knowing that by doing so he will garner a substantial amount of support from everyone with CND leanings

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I shall wait and see if hes elected, I make my own mind up,not let the press do it.

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Incidentally, if he is elected leader, I can't wait until he announces his views on immigration. We'll see how his disciples on here react to them!

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And what about the other 3 *******? are they likely to win n election? I think not.:rolleyes:

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Probably not, but Corbyn isn't going to win it for 'em, just as Michael Foot didn't in the 80's! As I say, let's see if Comrade Corbyn's elected leader, what his views are on immigration, positive discrimination, law and order and all sorts of other topics. Personally, I reckon he'll launch the sort of policies that would see him castigated as a "bleeding heart liberal do-gooder" on here, but what do I know? I'm just "brainwashed" by the press! ;)

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Well i am beginning to wonder.:D

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Don' think Balls-Cooper is serious about getting the job really, especially as she's bumping her gums about the UK should take 10,000 of these "Asylum seekers" (and that'll be just for starters). Not so long back she was saying labour got it wrong on immigration & now she's crapping on the same doorstep again!

Unbelievable! Stupid woman.

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Jeremy's view on the present refugee crisis. Personally, I think he makes some fair points, but that's the bleeding heart liberal in me. I very much doubt that his fan club on here would agree.
Our leaders lack courage in this refugee crisis. We are shamed by our European neighbours - Voices - The Independent

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The article is right in the observation that our leaders lack courage, but they also lack foresight too.
As for being shamed by other European countries, how can this be so...we give more money than any of these European countries....that fact that it is not making a difference is down to how it is being used(or abused).
Refugees who think that they can storm trains, camp outside Railway stations because they do now wish to go to the countries which will take them (preferring to go to a country of their choice), show that they do not respect rules.
True refugees should claim asylum in the country where they first land...not want to make off to a country where they feel they will be more prosperous.

The picture of the little children who were drowned is tragic, but their parents put them in this position.(and the media are using these pictures to elicit an emotional response...a bit of emotional blackmail)....I do not feel in any way responsible for these people......and I am suspicious of where they come from...any one of them could in the future turn upon the country they have adopted and blow it to smithereens.

Maybe there will be those who consider this response heartless and cruel...but what we cannot give to our own needy, we cannot give to the worlds needy.
We cannot take in all the waifs and strays of the world.
Already I feel a stranger in my own land. I walked from my mothers today and along the way passed six or seven people...none of whom were speaking English.
This is not racism or xenophobia, I am just stating a non PC fact.

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Very true words Margaret.

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Thank you Frank....I was expecting lots of the red stuff.

I do not think we can afford to led by our emotions on this issue.
What really needs to be done is stabilisation of the situation by stopping these migrants before they reach other countries. There needs to be a military presence off the coasts of departure......the boats have to be turned back before anymore unfortunate children are drowned, the people who exploit these unfortunate people at the tune of 2000 euro per person need to be caught......the unsafe boats that they are using need to be holed and put right out of action.
The money that is being given by the british government(ie...our money) needs to be spent on refugee camps with better facilities....it is no paltry sum...it is 1 billion pounds.
If it had not been for lily livered politicians and the short sighted EU and the Schengen agreement, then the situation would not be what it is.
If these so called refugees cannot accept that there have to be rules, it is unlikely that they will want to abide by the rules in whatever country they end up in.......they expect the rules to be fashioned to accommodate their needs and desires, and we have seen where that leads.

Accept more refugees and more will set sail knowing that they will be taken in.......and where do you draw the line?

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Weird ain’t it….that a few days after a heart rending photograph…Cameron is now doing exactly what ‘Jeremy’ is banging on about in the piece that you quote…because, suddenly, it’s no longer ultra left wing rhetoric, it’s political expediency.

Then again Cameron is kinda screwed here, because his ‘austerity’ and ‘big society’ policies, which have seen a 40% cut in county council budgets with another 40% scheduled by 2020, (that’s £2 to spend on the aged, disabled, sick and needy where there used to be £10). Where our councils are battling with our NHS over who should fund those in need because of funding cuts and unrealistic targets. All of which has left our social infrastructure totally unable to deal with a further influx of people demanding services and jobs…

But hey..this is the Prime Minister who promotes the guy who claims for moat cleaning on his (tax payer paid) expenses to the House of Lords (on a £300 a day plus expenses wage).

For every stupid or unsavoury thing that you can dredge up damning Corbyn, I can double with Cameron and his cronies, when you ask about his policies, I can point you to lack of policy and broken pledges from this government…unfortunately I don’t have the readership of the Tory loving media

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Meanwhile our 'labour' MP takes photos of clouds on Hambledon Hill and complains about online betting sites *sigh*

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Quite right, and if Corbin is elected Labour leader, Cameron and his cronies are going to have the freedom to carry right on with their "lack of policy and broken pledges", for at least the next ten years because there's no way Labour are going to achieve power in 2020 with Corbin at the helm. By 2025, it'll probably be too late anyway, the NHS and the welfare state will have been largely dismantled and there'll be very little left to save. The Labour party really needs to wake up and smell the coffee by coming up with a potential leader who's electable. Alan Johnson would be my choice, but if doesn't want to, who knows? :(

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A poet , she was born in Kenya in 1988 to Somali parents, Warsan Shire was raised and still lives in London......this is one of her poems......

no one leaves home unless
home is the mouth of a shark
you only run for the border
when you see the whole city running as well

your neighbours running faster than you
breath bloody in their throats
the boy you went to school with
who kissed you dizzy behind the old tin factory
is holding a gun bigger than his body
you only leave home
when home won’t let you stay.

no one leaves home unless home chases you
fire under feet
hot blood in your belly
it’s not something you ever thought of doing
until the blade burnt threats into
your neck
and even then you carried the anthem under
your breath
only tearing up your passport in an airport toilets
sobbing as each mouthful of paper
made it clear that you wouldn’t be going back.

you have to understand,
that no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land
no one burns their palms
under trains
beneath carriages
no one spends days and nights in the stomach of a truck
feeding on newspaper unless the miles travelled
means something more than journey.
no one crawls under fences
no one wants to be beaten
pitied

no one chooses refugee camps
or strip searches where your
body is left aching
or prison,
because prison is safer
than a city of fire
and one prison guard
in the night
is better than a truckload
of men who look like your father
no one could take it
no one could stomach it
no one skin would be tough enough

the
go home blacks
refugees
dirty immigrants
asylum seekers
sucking our country dry
niggers with their hands out
they smell strange
savage
messed up their country and now they want
to mess ours up
how do the words
the dirty looks
roll off your backs
maybe because the blow is softer
than a limb torn off

or the words are more tender
than fourteen men between
your legs
or the insults are easier
to swallow
than rubble
than bone
than your child body
in pieces.
i want to go home,
but home is the mouth of a shark
home is the barrel of the gun
and no one would leave home
unless home chased you to the shore
unless home told you
to quicken your legs
leave your clothes behind
crawl through the desert
wade through the oceans
drown
save
be hunger
beg
forget pride
your survival is more important

no one leaves home until home is a sweaty voice in your ear
saying-
leave,
run away from me now
i dont know what i’ve become
but i know that anywhere
is safer than here

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Kenya has been independent since Dec 1963, so the wicked English can't be blamed for her "persecution" on this one. Added to that, she was raised in & around London, so how much actual experience does she have of the tribulations she's espousing?

I'm sorry mate, but my sympathy mode has been jerked around & pished about with so much, that my empathy levels are flat lining for the worlds poor, needy & desperate.

That aside, getting back to Corbyn, he may be popular with those of a certain leaning, but in the end it's same old, same old, tedious self serving politicoes looking out for themselves.

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So Jeremy Corbyn is a same old , tedious , self-serving politico looking out for himself ?

So were there ever any politicians who were not the same , old , tedious , self-serving politicoes looking out for themselves ? :confused:

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Yep i could name some n no doubt you could, few n far between,granted, but many people, including me, get to a stage were they can all get stuffed.

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I can name a few too...Ken Hargreaves, for example, whose only concern was to serve his constituents. And, yep, Jeremy Corbin, who, however wrongheaded his views, has stuck steadfastly to them and not chopped and changed to appeal to the electorate and also has the lowest expenses claims in Parliament. Gordon Bennett, I'm going to end up supporting the bearded, vest-wearing git at this rate!

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Again, something very emotive but irrelevant to the situation.
A young Syrian father was interviewed on the early morning news. He was in Hungary, he was portrayed as a refugee, but this man and his family left Syria five years ago.....it was then that he qualified as a refugee, and should have applied for asylum in the country to which he fled....he is now NOT a refugee, but an economic migrant.

I have had all my sympathy exhausted. I am not moved any more by the plight of these people.
They do not want to abide by the rules. Rules are essential to maintain some kind of order....but they have not left disorder in the country of their origin, they have brought disorder with them.....and we are expected to facilitate this.

Ask those people who are signatories to the petitions for more of these people to be admitted to our country if they want their lives ripped apart in the future by one of these young men who could be in the thrall of ISIS.
Or have their lives put at risk by one of these young men who make their home here, but then feel that our culture is not Muslim enough.....becomes radicalised and we all know what may follow that.
Every home given over to these incomers is one less available for our children.
This is the plain unvarnished truth.....no emotional pictures of drowned toddlers.....but perhaps we should revisit the pictures of 7/7 and remember those victims and who orchestrated that.

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No he isn't doing what Jeremy Corbyn was banging on about.....or maybe he is....But for totally different reasons.
He is being squeezed by populist opinion.....he is doing what he thinks will win him public approval, never a good reason to change your tack.
It is quite hard when you are up to yor neck in crocodiles to remember that you went into the swamp to drain it!

None of our current incumbents know what to do about the situation.....and the EU politicians are no better.
Reinstate borders, control borders, then at least you should have some idea of who is coming into your country.
Without these measures we are inviting potential terrorists into our countries.

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How many of the asylum seekers/refugees have gone to states that are of the same religion - Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt and some of the Stans. The religions are the same, languages are similar, and most have Sharia Law.
How many are the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Russia and many other countries taking. If it is a world problem, then let the rest of the world take their share, don't leave it all to Europe, especially not England.

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The civilized world should sort the cause, not the refugees, people should not want to flee their own country,simple as, but will never happen.

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Germany has opened the floodgates.
The mobile phones will be busy.
Listen carefully, can you hear that distant roar?

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Spot on Cashy.
This problem will not go away if countries take in these people....It will just encourage more to come.....it will just line the pockets of those criminals exploiting these people.

They need to be stopped from leaving their own lands..boats need to be turned back every time.....people disembarked and the junks holed and sent to the bottom.

I am sick of the bleating of bleeding heart liberals.
We cannot be the safe haven for the waifs and strays of the world...these children that look so pathetic now will look totally different in 18 years time when they are disaffected by not having a connection with their homeland, they will look different with an automatic rifle or a rucksack full of explosives on an underground train or a bus in one of our cities.

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Don't I know it, there's lots of talk & concern going round the "Volk", but it's not spoken out loudly by most due to the spectre of Germanys' past form, especially around the 1930's to 40's.

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So just to get back to the main thrust of the thread...Jeremy Corbyn wants us to unilaterally disarm and he wants us to accept a lot more of the current wave of asylum seekers. Now, I'm not personally casting aspersions on either of those standpoints, but can anyone seriously say that this man has a hope in hell of leading the Labour party to electoral success?

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It dont matter a jot Wyn, not ONE of em has the balls to ask fer the Cause to be tackled.

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Immaterial if it's Corbyn, Balls, Burnham, or Kendall, putting forward those kind of ideas within the current situation facing the UK & particularly England, they really can't be serious about ruling the roost.

Surely even the most dogged, dyed in the wool & rabid follower can see the idiocy of their potential "Beloved leaders" idiocy.

(Mind you, we are talking Labour supporters here, pin a red rosette on a degenerate Ape ....... Oh yeah, they did that & we ended up with 13 years of Labour ;))

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Don't agree,Dave; Corbyn is the only Labour leadership candidate supporting unilateral disarmament; the others want to retain our nuclear deterrent. As for accepting asylum seekers, the fact is that both major parties are now committed to accepting asylum seekers, but of course, no one's talking numbers.

As for the other comments about beloved leaders idiocy and pinning the red rose on an ape, you could equally direct those comments to Tory voters. How anyone can support shysters and scumbags like Cameron and Osborne and in particular the odious Duncan Smith who are running the NHS and welfare state down, while rewarding their rich mates is beyond me.

However, the point I'm making is this - a lot of people keep banging on about a return to proper full-blooded socialism of the sort advocated by Corbyn. That's fine, but you have to accept that things like unilateral disarmament and a liberal, inclusive attitude to immigration are part and parcel of the socialist package. That's a fact and it isn't going to change.

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I don't agree with much of what he said. The media has jumped on the story of the pointless death of a little boy, his brother and mother. They didn't make a big headline about the family living in Turkey safe from the war for 3 years. The family then decided they could have a better life in Europe and set off across the sea.

One picture of a dead child on a beach has caused a stir but why is the problem in Syria not enough?
Why don't the media show us pictures of what is really going on?
Why do these fit young men think it is right to run away from the trouble in their own country and come here expecting us to fix it for them. They should stay and fight like our grand fathers, fathers, brothers and sons did and still do now.

Here are some pictures taken from facebook of what is really going on over there and not just on a holiday resort beach. Don't look if you don't want to see dead children and destroyed cities and homes. Why are these pictures not on the front page of the newspapers?

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Because if they had told us that it would be plain that these are economic migrants - NOT refugees.
Refugees will make a home in the first safe place, because they are out of danger.
Refugees do not demonstrate and demand that they be allowed to travel to a country of their choice..Incidentally a non Muslim country where the culture is entirely different.
Wouldn't they be happier in Turkey, a Muslim country that is part of NATO, therefore declared free and democratic.....no of course not, they want to be part of a better economic country.
So we did not kill the mother and her two boys, the parents and the criminal traffickers are totally responsible for their deaths.
And as for all these people who want to hug a refugee...Are they doing it to feel morally superior....are they going to be responsible for feeding them, clothing them, paying for their education and their health care needs??

We should not be accepting any of these people. They do not want to be registered so that we know who they are or where they come from, they do not want to abide by the rules......and as sure as God made little apples they will want US to conform to their ideas of how society should be....More veiled women in black, more disaffected young men with the potential to do harm.

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Sorry Margaret but Turkey is not a Muslim country it is secular and has been since modern Turkey was founded by Kemal Attaturk - therefore no religious antagonism and I have witnessed how Turks of different religions get along with each other. In one way you are correct, Islam is the major religion and so all these refugees - or at least the majority of them, could live in a country where their religion is the majority, unlike Western Europe where it is still a minority religion - for now.

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thank you Barrie......You can always learn something on here.
It is much more of their culture than Germany is.
It is difficult to know how many of the people making the journey to Europe are real refugees, and how many are economic migrants.
Yesterday morning Sky TV interviewed a young father who we were told was a refugee, but he had left Syria some five years ago.....so he was not a refugee either.

I sometimes wonder if the governments of the countries of Europe want to populate their countries with a huge influx of Muslims in order to fulfil the dream of a federated Europe.....to do away with nationalistic ideas and ideals. Muslims seem to see themselves as Muslims rather than any nationality.
It would be far easier to get this in place if the majority of the population was Muslim.
It will not be long before we are the minority...Muslims are outbreeding us.

I know that these views are not politically correct, and we have all been brainwashed into thinking that we are not allowed to,have these thoughts, but for me they won't easily be stifled

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Indubitably Steve, be they Tory, Lib-Dem, U kippers or in the main Labour you'll always find the sheeple who'll follow blindly because they won't consider anything other than what their fathers & their fathers fathers have followed & voted because "That's what we are my Lad!"

Other things I keep seeing when reading comments sections on various articles from numerous tabloids is an amazing level of divorce between a parties line & percentages on any given subject to that of the actual people posting & their views.

And another one that keeps cropping up is the "Coudenhove-Kalegri plan" (warning !!!! conspiracy theorists will be loving this un!") I've had a browse through & the long & short of it is summed up in this extract:-

The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan becomes evident in 1925 when he writes in Practical Idealism (Praktischer Idealismus): “The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.”

» Report: EU Intentionally Collapsing European Countries With Illegals Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Now, make what you will of the veracity of this but it does seem to tick the boxes of What's happening in Europe right now. Added to that, the seeming determination of our leaders past present & (reading between the lines) future seem determined upon taking us ever deeper into the yawning cesspit of multiculti nothingness!

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Gordon Bennett, Dave, that's a conspiracy theory and a half! I think I'll just stay in Lima and support Stanley from afar! :D

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Well, I knew nothing of the CK plan , but heck isn't that along the lines of what I put in a previous post of mine?(post 79)
I am not a bit in favour of conspiracy theories and felt a bit like a pale version of MargaretR (not casting aspersions Margaret) when I posted it.
I was thinking 'those out there will be marking my card NUTTER'.
Just goes to show doesn't it?

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I think that is very sensible...staying in Lima would be my choice too.

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How many more votes will the incumbent governing parties gain from creating all these new citizens in their countries - a further extension of the Blair philosophy?

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Well Labour Party members and "supporters" have elected Jeremy Corbyn as the new leader of the Labour Party , and Tom Watson as the new deputy leader........should usher in an interesting time for those interested in politics . ;)

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The best result that could have been in my view 2 decent people elected fer once, Whilst i certainly do not agree wi some of Corbyns views, in the main they are much better than the other candidates, Trouble was some people were blinded, by the Pompous Barstewards that are Labour so called big guns, plus a baised media big time,Labour needs to change and these 2 lads are the best bet imho.

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I am pleased that Labour Party members have gone against the grain and elected a senior citizen .

I am not keen on the cult of youth stuff .

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Thing is though, those that have resigned were "Never" real socialists in my view, Corbyn was elected by the people who are members, it is their wish, NOT elected by MPs and select committees and the like, the fact they resigned is insulting to ordinary members, cos they are saying the members are stupid and i know better. these resigned should in my view be kicked out of the Labour party. and go join Cameron as they are nearer to him, he dont give a stuff about ordinary people either.:rolleyes:

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i suppose the hardest choice a labour MP has at the moment is whos arse they prefer to kiss

im sure those that puckered up to milliband still have a nasty taste in their mouths and nothing to show for it

Labour may remain strong around here but they are dead in the water for a long time nationally thanks to milliband and the muppets that chose him as leader

i do laugh when i hear people say the UKIP voters caused a tory government

nope a weak leader and weak MPs cost labour the election even the lib dems couldnt bear to do a coalition with them so that shows how bad things are with labour when a lib dem would choose to go with tory over labour

dont like tory but labour are a complete farce and have been for a long time

think ime wrong

let me assure you that in the town of XXXX %95 of people agree

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Have to disagree mate Milliband had no chance wi the damage Blair did to socialism.

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He was weak and he looked weak

in days when image is a vital part of a successful election campaign he was constantly made to look like a clumsy bafoon and only got around to tackling the problem a matter of weeks before the last election

all that time as a leader and he will be remembered as the guy who couldnt even manage to eat a bacon butty without looking like it was gong to kill him

blair blew our money and dragged us into an illegal war

many many reasons why labour are screwed and no one trusts them

im beginning to sound like dear old jaysay but without the tory love lol

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Not disputing he wasn't great by any stretch, but no-one could have improved much on Blairs destruction imho. dont forget the media are tory.;)

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aye but they were labour for along time

well hang on

the media owned both major parties or should i say murdoch did so he pretty much decided who won and who didnt

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Jaysay would be having a field day on here today . ;)

Perhaps a return to traditional Labour values will encourage some voters , like me , who didn't vote in the last election to start voting Labour again .

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that to me is labours biggest problem

they arnt labour any more

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Was thinking just the same meself.;)

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What; just like Michael Foot did?

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yer beginning to sound like a closet tory to me mate.:D

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I was thinking more of Clement Attlee , Wyn .

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Personally, I'd say Nye Bevan was a better comparison, Colin. And if I was a closet Tory, I'd have done what the other closet Tories have done, paid me three quid, joined the Labour party and voted for Corbyn as it's a sure way to keep the Tories in power for the next ten years!

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I think yeh may just be surprised wyn.;) the public are a strange animal.

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The reason that this man has been elected as leader of the Labour party is not because he is good, but that he is the best of a very poor bunch.......which doesn't auger well for how the party will fare in the future.
It worries me that he thinks that Britain can do without any real form of defence and that he sees no reason why those men who went abroad to fight with ISIS against us needed taking out.......and that he has made remarks(according to the newspapers) which could be interpreted as support for terrorist groups.

I don't think he has done the Labour party any real favours. I don't think he has made them more electable
Being passionate is fine if you are passionate about the right things......and I am not sure that he is!
Yes the public are a strange breed...they can love you one week and hate you the next.
Let's wait and see shall we ?

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Socialism cannot come overnight, as the product of a week-end revolution.