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So you assumed, then when I put forward a legitimate question ie extra layer of politics you have no answer? I don't really expect you to have an answer, I asked this question 10 years ago when my house was compulsorily purchased and the white representative said he would contact the community leaders.
I asked him then I only have a councillor not a community leader what do I do?

His reply after looking at me pitifully, was 'any more questions?'.

You, hesitate, you, put forward nothing, you could almost be Graham Jones!
No, forgive me nobody could be that bad.
Could it just be that this is an unfair layer that ordinary creamy coloured folk have no power over?

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What does the 3rd runway at Heathrow have to do with the residents of Hyndburn, another runway at Gatwick, Stanstead or anywhere else around London would provide just as much benefit for the North of England - so why stick your noses into something that does not have any bearing whatsoever on our community.
Probably just another opportunity for a bit of positive publicity for GJ - he fails to realise what many locals feel about him.
Hopefully one of his stooges - sorry, acolytes, will be reporting back to him how nasty we are being, unless he has chosen to surround himself by sycophants

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Nothing whatsoever,
What does an Asian community group that I haven't voted for have to do with me?
Come on, you want freedom of speech one man one vote, so do I, please, be brave be proper labour, agree that no subsection no matter how they could be a vote winner for any party should be given priority over any other citizen?

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The other thought is, back about 1962 ish the first of these immigrants came into the Country, around where I Live there are plenty, and yet, they still class themselves as a minority!
No you ain't you've had three generations to integrate and yet you still feel hard done by.

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Well I'm certainly not Graham Jones less. In fact the reason I asked the question about the delegation here is I'm trying to keep abreast of what he's up to and try as I might, apart from that tweet with the picture, I can find no further reference as to what this delegation was about. I assumed it was counsellors but looking at the picture a second time more closely I saw that the majority of them were Asian men. So I asked because I'm looking for an answer myself.

https://twitter.com/GrahamJones_MP This is his time-line, scroll down to the 12th and see for yourself.

Also of interest, to me at least is a tweet on the 16th.

‏@GrahamJones_MP Jul 16
Delighted @HyndburnCouncil signed letter from 34 Council Leaders to Sec State for Transport to expand Heathrow.

I wondered why 34 council leaders in Hynburn are bothered about the third runway at Heathrow particularly as so many people directly affected by such a thing are dead set against it.

I'm thinking maybe it makes for easier and cheaper flights to Pakistan although it doesn't really explain the delegation.

So that was the extent of my interest less.

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Your interest should extend and cover us all.
I do agree, 34 people shouldn't be given a jolly holiday when they could no doubt vote online.
But what the hey, whomsoever covered the price of that trip, won't have done it from their own pocket.
Somehow you and I will have paid for it.

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NOooo that isn't the extent of your interest,

I understand you want to put forward the views of your hero, (can't blame you I lean a touch that way), however, you were asked an aside how good have you been so far?

You seem to need to get permission from somewhere,

Go on without asking anyone else, what are your views on having an extra political layer called, Asian Community Leaders?

Good for democracy or fatal for ordinary folk?:o

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Do me a favour, I've been reading your posts since about May, You haven't posted in anything but this so far as I can see, not good for AccyWeb, maybe good for your party?

Here comes the favour, prove to me you can post interestingly about other subjects, not just your boss.

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Well I think your projecting something onto me there. Yes I support JC. Yes I'm a member of the Labour Party. No I'm not in touch with anyone else whose giving me instructions. I'm just an ordinary bod with an interest in whats going down in the area where I live and in the country as a whole. I'm not very social so I dont post much. I dont like Graham Jones and his mates in the PLP, I think they are busy stabbing us all in the back.

For what its worth i've been pondering the significance of the deligation. IMO he's taken them down to westminster where promises have made to secure the asian communities vote for himself no matter if he remains in the LP or if he ends up joining a new party that results from a split. He's consolidated his position as your MP because with the none asian vote split between the LP, tories and maybe the greens the demographic of Hyndburn guarantees he'll be returned as the MP.

Well thats my thoughts on it.

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Well I would like to think you are now telling the truth, unfortunately it took you a while to answer (who did you have to get in touch with for your answer?).
Yes, Jones is probably trying for any backup sucking up to 95% of us looks likely.

Meanwhile, how do you feel about the extra political layer called Asian Community Leaders?
Go on its not a hard question, you either think it a good or a bad thing, just don't hesitate, give an honest reply (of your own, (no crib sheets)).

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Less truly I am not an consulting anyone, i just took the time out to think about it. As for your quesion about the asian layer its not different than union block voting. BTW i'm not a union member either.

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BULLSHINE, no different to unions? Of course it is, I could join a union, become a leader put the country on one track or the other.
I could not however become an Asian Community Leader, no one would vote for me I'm the wrong race, however that wouldn't come into play, they aren't voted in like union bosses.

That to me is what's wrong, your kind bleat on about what is democratic but won't honestly answer a question about race and people taking advantage which is just as wrong as racialism.

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Well there's the nub isn't it. You believe you've been taken advantage of by the Asian community. I don't know you, I don't know your history, all I can tell you is that if its true its not because of anything they did but because they have something that we, the indigenous folk, for want of a way of putting it, threw away.

Community cohesion, that's what they still have that we don't. They attend their mosques and communal centres and they listen to the imam, they mingle in the street and visit each others houses and talk to one another just as we once did but no longer do. So unlike us they can come to a consensus as a community. So when some MP or councillor wants their votes they see the imam and offer something in return for the support they need. And if they don't deliver they are held to account.

We on the other hand get a leaflet through the door full of promises that we wont hold them accountable for because come the next election most of us will have forgotten any promises made and broken if we even bothered to read it. Because we are isolated, insular, don't attend our churches, no longer have our unions, don't even know our neighbours.

Its probably not what you want to hear Less but that's the dynamic that's been at play for decades. So its no good blaming them for succeeding. Its not them that's taken anything away from us. Its our own apathy and political complacency that's done that.

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No, no, no......it isn't that at all.
The political complacency is a symptom of the fact that the electorate have been (in the main) used for their votes and then let down. That is the cause of political apathy.
Why vote if it does not bring about the change promised by the selected representative.

As to the Asian community voting how it is directed to vote by the religious leaders....in my mind that is not democracy. It is a brand of tribalism, where the head man directs what is going to be done...It is a form of autocracy, but in local pockets.

The community cohesion you speak of was fractured when whole families stopped living in the same street. When people had to move away either to,find work or to better themselves.
Working practices also broke up the indigent communities and also the fact that people no longer go to church or attend community social events(they are far fewer nowadays)
When you talk of community cohesion the Asians are a part of the reason why there isn't much of it.(well except in their communities).
The asians( in the main) do not integrate. Much of this is due to language difficulties in the older end of the community....But the younger Asians prefer to keep to their own people.

I worked in the NHS for almost 30 years and saw men and women from the Asian community who had been here in excess of twenty years and still did not speak English and required interpreters.
The fact that politicians tap into the Asian community is why the Labour open door policy was instigated. Tony Blair saw it as an infallible plan to hold onto political power, because these people could be relied upon to vote how they were told to vote.

We, on the other hand, think for ourselves, we critically appraise, we reason......well most of us do.....some will still just follow the colours of the flag the representative travels under.

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I have to agree with Margaret, Political Complaceny Has come about cos NONE of the parties take heed of the people who elect em, simple as, The exact same reason has put Trump in line in the USA, a dangerous way to go imho, But i always say yeh get what you deserve.

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In reply to Margaret I don't see where we differ. You have just garnished what I have said to Less with more detail. I never said I agreed with way the Asian community arrive at a vote, I just described it. I like the pocket of autocracy idea which seems quite accurate and insightful. As for the apathy both yourself and cashman sum up some of the causes, to which can be added many more. I haven't read a post to this thread by anyone that doesn't show an understanding how we have been manipulated but the fact this discussion is taking place at all, over the garden wall of the internet, is some sign the apathy has been broken.

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How we differ is in how you say we have 'given away'....no sorry. You didn't say that...you said we threw away our communities.
I am old enough to remember when relatives lived in one street...or at least very close by.....they were deifinite communities, they looked after each others children, they helped out when families were in need of help...if you kicked one they all limped.
So how can you say we threw that away?
We did no such thing. Life evolved, prices went up...it meant that people had to move to where the jobs were.......it meant that women who had previously stayed at home nurturing the family had to go out and get a job.
People wanted things they had not had before....homes with furniture that all matched...wall to wall carpet, a car and a foreign holiday. In short expectations rose.

People stopped going to Jumble sales( they wanted better than that and felt they deserved it) they stopped going to Bring and Buy sales for the same reason.
Churches fell out of favour because people found that for this new life style they had to work unsocial hours......also if you worked all week then Saturday and Sunday were the only days that you could do the stuff that is required to maintain a household.....vacuuming the carpets took precedence over going to Sunday morning church.

In Asian communities, the mosque holds sway over the thoughts, ideals and the basic tenets of daily life.....many married Asian women devote their time to looking after their family because that is their tradition.

They do not integrate with women outside of their own culture, they probably do not understand that they can choose to vote for someone other than who their imam or their husband tells them to....it is unthinkable to them to do that....so for them there is NO democracy...they are childlike in their subservience and compliance.

And if Less is in a community that is mainly Muslim and he is not included because of his race, or his religious preference, or colour then that is racism and exclusion...and were the tables turned and we were promoting such a system, then we would be heckled and castigated for it.

Community leaders can only lead if they can be respected by ALL members of their community...if the represent ALL aspects of the community life......ALL aspects of community need...and clearly these leaders do not,
They only represent the Muslim point of view.

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If I can use Liverpool in the sixties as an example you will see that we threw away nothing our communities were deliberately destroyed by politics.
I had relatives about four families all lived in or around Lowther St. Liverpool8 they were as Margaret described in each others pockets (typical scousers).

When the Council of the day decided to clear the Victorian houses and put the people into high rise flats, they deliberately split up the community, moving relatives sometimes as much as 3 miles away from each other, neighbours were also split apart, elderly relatives suddenly found themselves surrounded by strangers and with no-one to look after their day to day needs. There was no appeal system you couldn't be moved into the same block of flats as brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, aunts or uncles you went were you were put because no doubt 95% of you don't know what's good for you, so shut up and do as you are told.


This didn't just happen in Liverpool it happened nationwide wherever there was slum clearance. Our communities weren't thrown away they were stolen by uncaring misguided politicians.

Re: Labour Party
 

Ok I give up. Your so so right. Now what do you propose to do about it?

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You see you are now being separatist, that should read:-


;)

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By the way, I had a day in Liverpool last Monday it is a beautiful City.

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Good observation Less. What should WE do about it?

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Well, the really sensible thing would be to make sure that politics and politicians reflected the people and their views....took their needs and concerns into consideration. There has not been an awful lot of that happening.
The Asian community does not need to follow the imam and his influence should be in some way constrained......but how you could overcome that ...well I don't think it is possible.

Politics need to be transparent(except, of course, where such a policy would compromise national security)...it needs to find some way to ignite the interest of people.

The referendum has caused a lot of interest...made politics a talking point..but that is not enough.
If I had a magic want I would take party politics out of the local picture...and we would elect people to the council based on their ability to do the best job for the local community.

Politics needs to be less adversarial, less nasty, with fewer dirty tricks..now how you would do that....well, I think it would defy the wisdom of Job.

Re: Labour Party
 

Less that reflects my Grandma's situation almost exactly. she lived in a one up and one down in Sheffield. There were about 8 other similar houses all attached to a communal courtyard with a wash house and toilets. Those families all looked out for each other. When my gran was going away she used to go and tell someone so they knew she was not at home..if they did not see her for more than a day...they used to go round to check she was alright.
This courtyard was knocked down to make way for a new road system...Gran was moved into a block of flats....not a ground floor flat, but six floors up. She knew no-one and no-one was there to check up on her.
Without her friends she just sort of faded away.
So yes, politicians did negatively impact the communities that they were supposed to be reperesenting.

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The ultimate impact on communities in most areas was the influx of immigrants brought about by Blair/Brown. That way they got so many people into the country that had been given the opportunity to come and live in a civilised country, with law, health care, benefits, sanitation, schooling et al - and they would then vote for the people that gave them the opportunity. Of course that has been made worse by allowing immigrants to bring in their "families".

Re: Labour Party
 

So...the official policy of the Labour Party is the retention and renewal of our nuclear deterrent. So how the hell can you have a party leader who is all for scrapping our nuclear deterrent? Hardly makes for electoral credibility, does it?

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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It's all in fighting, if they can't get rid of their leader by fair means they need a last option.

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Well, actually, no they can't. They are just as manipulated as the rest of us...the difference is they abdicate their responsibility by relying on what their religious leader tells them....they allow him to make their decisions for them.

Maybe it is easier to buy the allegiance of one man than the allegiance of many.
Maybe these people have let this happen for so many centuries that they are unable to break away from tradition...after all thinking for yourself, making decisions takes some ability to analyse what the situation is all about.

Women do not have any sway in the mosques...their opinions and ideas are (in the main) irrelevant....and so their disengagement from politics means that they do not get a good deal out of it...as it is the men who make the decisions...and men will always make a different choice to women.

It is not democracy...it might have the appearance of democracy, but it is a beast of a different colour altogether.

As for being in a union and being told how to vote...well I have been in unions, I cannot recall ever being told which way I should vote......and had I been told which way I should vote...then I can tell you that I would have voted in the way that my conscience dictated regardless of the instruction.

Re: Labour Party
 

Doubtless it is, but is not the boot on the other foot here? The MPs, no matter how nefarious their motives, are simply supporting official Labour Party policy. Surely it's Corbyn who is being disloyal in this instance? Apart from that, is he also contriving to make his party less electable by supporting the policy of CND?

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I think the only way any member of the labour party can definately be said to be working together here is to guarantee to make labour unelectable.

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It is one of the biggest shames, how labour have forgotten their roots, they used to fight for the working man, now they fight for themselves, a tragedy that anyone that remembers or even reads about it's history, will shake their heads in shame about.

There no longer is a labour party that cares about it's members or it's supporters, there is only the example put forward by our elected M.P. and that has been bad from beginning to (I hope) his end at the next election!

I wish he had lived up to all he seemed to be last time I voted, like cashy I won't ever vote labour again unless they get back to grass roots.

(I'm dismayed I have to say that).
:(

Re: Labour Party
 

Better dismayed, Less, than taken for granted.

Re: Labour Party
 

A good example of being taken for granted is what was being thought of the British people, before Brexit we had all the experts preaching whoa, whoa and thrice whoa!

Now it would appear they were wrong, imagine that, all those highly paid predictors and...


...we seem to have got it right! (Don't worry a spanner will be put in the works to bring us back to our tighten the belt syndrome)

Not because we are cleverer than the rest of the EU, but because they share our feelings about the nameless wonders that keep guiding us from Iceberg to iceberg without turning on the Radar.

How many other Countries would now like a referendum?

Re: Labour Party
 

Quite a few...that's what the likes of Juncker, Merkel and Hollande are terrified of.

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Aye and this new Labour welsh faggot would like a second referendum, i heard him say twice, funny no media focusing on this,well much as i dislike J.C. hes much preferable to that fellow.

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As usual Less simplistic views, Yes, other Countries would like a referendum but as you have said somewhere else, you can check out but you can't leave,

Our latestest handbag holder proves this, Brexit means brexit she cried from the rooftops, but what now?

Our Country needs to go forward, with better wages, better jobs, extra bullshine, she said, and then, well I'm going to do nothing without sucking up to the leader of the EU.(not this year anyway).

Yes I know that German bitch shouldn't be the leader, but she and we know whom we need to creep up to.

Re: Labour Party
 

Graham Jones is holding an open meeting at Accrington football club tonight at 7pm in order to promote his leadership nomination of Owen Smith.

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95% of me doesn't want to be in the same room as him anymore (the other 5% was unavailable for comment).

:help:

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I have great hopes for Mrs May, people who love this country, and want it back voted to come out of the EU. One of the problems the Government have is that we do not have enough Negotiators to do any deals, the EU has done this for us for the last 40 years, that is why we are in the mess that we are in today. I am hopeful that the Government will act, in our interest as soon as it possibly can. They had better not hang around. Rule Britannia

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Tonight's meeting called by Graham Jones has just been cancelled.

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good

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Why? Have 95% decided not to turn to?

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Didn't even know about it until Post 238 - not that I would be interested in more hypocrisy.

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It says it all about our M.P. - supporting a bloke that wants a second referendum, Absolutely Pathetic, does not represent me or many i would say.

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Was a reason given for its cancellation ?

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Health & Safety issues, there was a fear of people being crushed in the stampede if they both tried to leave at the same time.

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The reason given was there was a problem with the venue.

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Could he not get the 5% of hecklers in?

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Yes, well a cancellation would mean that.
What problem are we talking about.
Did he have a hissy fit?
Did he realise he's been wrong all along?
Did he decide he should mend his ways and in future will put his constituents before his party?
We need to know.

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Contacts
Email [email protected]
Facebook Graham Jones
Twitter @grahamjones_mp
Website Graham Jones

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those contacts aint much use unless yeh e-mail.

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Yes, you have to think radically!

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No they aint..

It appears our elitist excuse for an MP has decided that he will continue to post biased, unrepresentative and Daily Mail style diatribe on twitter and facebook but…will no longer monitor ANY responses to these braindead musings.

He asks that any response is sent to his email…where, no doubt, his unpaid interns will respond to HIS electorate from xxxx, guided by Mandleson/Campbell or various other associated lickspittle goons.

Even more evidence that Jones cannot think on his feet, has no opinions of his own and is totally guided by the mandarins of the PLP.

Go boil your head Jones, YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ME!

Re: Labour Party
 

Who is really bothered whether you sent your message by "SM-T710 Tapatalk or a Ford Sierra XR 4x4 or even a 1958 Austin 7.

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Ain't his/her fault, it's how the Tapatalk app works, kinda like the old postage stamp on your letters had a postmark hand stamped by a guy with an inkpad..

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Guinness I was going to post this exact same thought earlier......but my internet connection dropped out (I was on a bus).
By the time I got back home to a reliable connection...you had posted my exact thoughts.
Great minds and all that.

He does not represent me either...even though(mad fool that I am) I voted for him.
It won't be happening twice i tell you that for nowt!

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Oh come on, how much patience do we have to show you?

You put forward nothing of value, you and your ilk are asked questions and you act exactly like our non representative, giving us nothing worthwhile.

Will you actually put forward something worth reading?

Ignore the labour party, actually think, what could you do if you acted as an individual not just a member of the party?

You are still putting forward party views instead of anything we can use in any form of practical life.

Re: Labour Party
 

I don't quite follow you Less. You asked a question and I gave you the means to answer it. You seem to think I'm some sort of party activist trying to push some party line on you when truth is I'm just an ordinary party member. I'm afraid that whatever burning questions the answer to which you feel "we need to know" would be best addressed by you actually putting in the effort to discover it yourself. With respect if you put 10% of the effort you put into moaning and groaning on here into actually telling your MP what you think you may actually find you do have a voice that can be heard and your boundless energy might even contribute to something positive in people's lives.

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Thanks for that, I stand corrected,(alway's willing to learn). Your's, Taddy.

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Er, reading of past experiences on here, I do believe you'll be more likely to end up with wet kecks! ;)

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Whenever it'd be convenient you pretend not to follow, plain fact is those links are useless I've had them and know they are never going to help in answering any questions on life, the Universe or anything. Though the above post shows you to be just like Jones, if you don't have a statistic to hand what's wrong with inventing one?
I call into question your 10% of my moaning, allow me to enlighten you, if like you I only read and posted in this thread then perhaps 10% could be accurate however I'm not a one trick pony, unlike you I moan on a great deal more threads on site! So if I was to invent a statistic that meant by cutting down on my moaning and sending a message that is guaranteed to be ignored by our representitive I would in actual fact have to reduce my amount most dramatically possibly by as much as 95%!
Until Jonesy actually represents his constituents instead of his failing party I for one will continue to moan, it is allowed both in politics and across the whole of AccyWeb.[emoji41]

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On top of this bit of bull, (after all I've practiced for quite some time and recognise the smell) when are you and your party going to genuinely put forward something for the common man? Your party lost the plot years ago, you represent that loss, you think your above grass roots and try your best to put we the unedificated down, shame on you, labour is all about education, education, education. Yet you don't want to educate, you want to dominate in the worst possible way.[emoji15]

Anytime you and your party take it upon yourselves to apologise for 20 or 30 years of losing your way, let me know.

Re: Labour Party
 

You have from now until the next General Election to convince me and others yours, is the party to vote for, let's be honest that doesn't give you much time, Maybe ditching Jonesy would help? (Just a suggestion).

:)

Re: Labour Party
 

Results of Graham Jones poll.

Recent survey results

Re: Labour Party
 

Why does Mr Jones bother ?

He has a habit of ignoring what people say .

Let's face it . He's a third-rate politician , and the people of Hyndburn deserve better .

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I liked your post, but I do have doubts about Jones being third rate, according to that poll he is reckoned to be far below that and what's needed to win the next election.
I hope this will prove to be true, because I agree we all deserve better.
Thank you Laatab for putting this on site, his poll is surrounded by allsorts, but the most important factor is how well is he doing, not well at all if this is a true poll.

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How many people bothered to take part in his surveys? Probably less than 5% of the electorate as 95% of us don't know our arse from our elbows - and those figures came from the horse's mouth.
I thought that being a local man - a man of the people, he was the obvious choice to represent us, the electorate, and so I voted for him.
I have been wrong a few times in my life, but this was without doubt my worst mistake ever. I have been fortunate in that I have been able to recognise my mistakes - I have certainly learnt from that one so at the next election - or re-selection, which I believe will happen before too long after the boundary changes, it will be Tory or UKIP.

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It seems that less than 220 respondents took part in this survey.....that is less than 0.3% of the current population of the borough.(80,700 though I can't say how many of these constitute the electorate....But it is looking like it would be a small amount)
But then as our representative observed in the past that 95% haven't got the brains to bless ourselves with....or something along those lines.......I don't think it comes close to the 5% who are brainy enough to understand politics or the ins and outs of the EU.
So this survey is hardly representative of the opinion of the majority of people who live here.

As for voting for him again...I think I might just doodle on my ballot paper.

Re: Labour Party
 

Although this was an open poll it's really only him testing his support amongst the local members and the small number of participants (some around 220) is a reflection of that. He's seeking support for Owen Smith which I don't think he'll get. Personally I'm hoping he'll be deselected at some point as he's well entangled with the mutinous PLP.



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Maybe he thought that he would have more respondents.
I might have completed the poll, but I could not see why he wanted to know how we had voted in the referendum......Hyndburn's result in that vote was something like two thirds of the votes cast....so not really a close run thing.
He totally misjudged the voters.
In much the same way that we the voters misjudged his ability to represent this town.

Re: Labour Party
 

Did we misjudge?

Or were we misled?

:(

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Whatever it was Less....the outcome was the same.
A representative who is not fit for purpose....that is to represent his constituents. Unless I am woefully mistaken, he hasn't done that...has he?

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I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, there were a few days last year where I wasn't in touch with the world due to man flu and other illnesses, maybe he did something then and I missed it?
:pain30:

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I've just had a text from Hyndburn Labour Party. I'm not a member by the way.
The text arrived on my mobile phone of course.
The message. Asking for my mobile number for their records.

Re: Labour Party
 

They have possibly bought some telephone listings and want to confirm your number - maybe GJ wants to speak to you personally (you should be so lucky).

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i hope i get a text from em, they will certainly get one back and it wont be me number.:D

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Just shows that Hyndburn Labour Party have no brains

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I can't copy the text because it was deleted almost immediately.

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It's known as forward planning, they know someone will cock up in the office and lose all their records so they are collecting duplicate information before some unpaid junior presses delete out of youthful curiosity.
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Must be from Jones then...he's been deleting his tweets pretty quick too..after they have been shown to be hypocritic and/or absolute garbage. Which is strange since he claimed that he never read the responses....oh wait...that tweet is gone too :bingobang

Re: Labour Party
 

Did he delete it? Or do they employ someone that has full access to his accounts following him to remove anything that may show him to be just a useless tweeter?

Re: Labour Party
 

Did you get the spelling correct?

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Of course I did, or maybe not? What the heck if I was wrong the mods would remove anything untoward, a bit like Graham and his tweet police.

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I meant to say "I deleted it immediately ", sorry for any confusion.

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For those of you without twitter, Jones does very little on there apart from retweeting (which, back in the day would be called plagiarising) other peoples thoughts. In the main these are anti-Corbyn.

When he does use his own thoughts and words he is shown to be an utter moron and soundly hammered. He talks about ‘kinder politics’ and then states that Corbyn is a ‘horrible man’ and bangs on about Corbyn supporters being thugs and rapists, and states that there has been ‘no coup’ *sigh*

Just a soupcon of responses to our own village idiot…

‘Please delete your account’
‘Please say one thing positive, go on try..just once’
‘a shining example of the labour party?..I think not’
‘this fellas timeline is all attacks on Corbyn, does he ever do anything for his constituents?’
‘no wonder so many of us support JC when we have you as an MP’
‘maybe you should put more effort into doing what you are paid to do’
‘I expect better from serving MP’s than to use playground jibes’
‘are you suffering from sunstroke?’
‘your understanding of this is painfully thin’

..and these are just a few in the last 24 hours…

Meanwhile Owen whatshisface, who Jones is giving ‘YOUR’ mandate to,..claimed an average of £25k expenses as opposed to Corbyns average £182..believes in PFI, is not averse to privatising the NHS, wants another referendum until we vote the way he wants, votes to cover up Blairs actions in Iraq, wants to hide lobbyists, goes to arms fairs instead of peace talks..jeez just do a google search on this guy.

Jones is currently accusing Cameron of being responsible for the closure of libraries in the area…I know he didn’t attend the budget meeting of LCC where this was discussed...because I watched a labour led LCC refuse a Tory plan to save these libraries in the short term in the hope that money could be raised to save them long term…..refused because of party politics, voting in line with the whip (that Jones thinks is socialism) and sod the people that need this service.

I’ll say it again…go boil your head Jones! You DO NOT represent me!

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To get ahead in ones chosen career a long term plan is essential, our M.P. had two choices:-
1/ Dedicate all his efforts into doing the maximum good for his constituents.
2/ Dedicate all his efforts into doing the maximum good for his career by back stabbing other members of his party in the hopes that he will be thought a good egg by the powers that be.

He seems to have failed whichever of these paths he has chosen.

He's failed in 1/ obviously, because he spends over 95% of his time chasing 2/ and he's failed in 2/ because, well the main reason is because a defrosted lettuce after a sudden summer chill would be a firmer option to use for stabbing folk in the back than he could ever be.
I would rather have him praising Corbyn if I was hoping to undermine the guy than have Jones in alliance with any of my plans.

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Mr Jones is a politician not to be taken seriously .

He has no depth in his thinking , and displays a total lack of political wisdom as he parades around with his local cronies bragging that he is "working class".

The only trouble is , he's probably my MP for the next four years .:mad:

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The penny will never drop i fear with Graham Jones,All the people on here that are posting, i do not know or have encountered a couple but still hardly know them, in fact i have encountered Graham far more than any other member thats posting, All seem to be saying the virtual same, "I will not vote Labour again" at least whilst he is representing them? Having worked as a peoples Rep,most of me working life, i would certainly be asking meself questions,??if i was him, yet he seems to have abandoned life on accyweb, perhaps cos the truth is too painful?:rolleyes:I honestly think,come next election Graham Jones will be consigned to oblivion.

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Cashy, isn't that the best palce for him?
Can he do any harm there? Will he have to go back to getting his hands dirty for a living?(probably not he will have made lucrative contacts while he has been down in the POW...but maybe even they will see him for what he is....'not fit for purpose')

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An interesting situation could develop after the election of the Labour Party leader, followed next year (I think), by the Boundary changes.
If JC gets re-elected and GJ has been so virulent in his opposition to him, all that GJ can hope for is a breakaway party. If that is the case would the Hyndburn electorate support him or the official Labour Party candidate?

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If that was the case Barrie, i would return to Labour instantly, and say Good Riddance.

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I think it would very much depend on the proposed candidate......I do not follow any party political ideology...and only voted for GJ because he was local and knew the needs of his constituency.
Little did I think that he would completely abandon the needs of the area for his own career aspirations.
I mistook him for a more honest man than that.
Anyway won't make that mistake again.

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Well yes i suppose it would depend if it was another snake.;)

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How would you be able to tell Cashy...It seems they tell US what they think we want to hear and then they change and do what THEY think is best for us..because you know well enough we seem not to be considered wise enough to decide for ourselves what our destiny should be.

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That was an appalling situation. Which is why party politics should be removed from local government.
But that GJ can point the finger at the Tory party when they tried to find a short term solution to this situation.....a solution that would benefit the community that G j is supposed to be supporting just shows how politically inept he is.

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Are you trying to tell us Paul Cook is going to be Hyndburn's next parliamentary candidate for the Labour Party?:rolleyes:

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Nah even the snake aint that bad.;)

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Of anyone is interested in the labour husting you can watch live here Leadership Debates 2016 ? The Labour Party at 7pm

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if anyone is interested, i will be amazed, they shot there bolt wi me at least.