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Woke up this morning to another tragedy.19 dead and others injured,my thoughts go out to the family and friends of those effected.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/40007886

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Not a pleasant headline to wake to, as yet there's no concrete confirmation of the cause but the indicators & the press are all pointing the same way! Should things pan out that this is terrorist in nature I really hope the government actually do take some decisive & brutal action & not spout the usual pish poor spineless platitudes.

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With nuts and bolts being strewn all over the place, I doubt it can be anything else other than a terrorist\suicide attack.

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It seems from reports, that this was a suicide bomber.
my thoughts go out to all those affected by this atrocity.
Young people(some of them only children) enjoying a pop concert, taken out of their life by a selfish Islamic terrorist.

Manchester has been the subject of terror in the past...it did not stop the good people from getting on with their lives.
Islamists will not stop the tough Mancunians.
It is time for the moderate Muslims to monitor their own people...but my guess is that they won't

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Another tragedy Its time for the Police @ Government to be given more powers,cos all suspects its impossible to watch as we all know,so the POWER to remove ALL these sympathisers must be given, it certainly will not stop it,but it sure must reduce the odds of these things occurring.

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There are messages praising this atrocity on various social media.
These people should be tracked down and dealt with.
This person had friends, family, colleagues...someone must have known his/ her leanings and should have reported him.
Until moderate Muslims monitor their own communities,report those who have malicious intent, there will be continued suspicion.
Islam a religion of peace!

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Donald Trump, making a speech today in Palestine called these people who commit these bombings as LOSERS, and that is exactly what they are LOSERS.

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Aye i listened to him, Trump the man who the media vilify, has more sense than the dicks that slag him off imho.

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Totally agree, the man is a breath of fresh air.

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Our condolences to the families who have suffered death or injury, also to the people who were fortunate to escape injury but were there and probably will be for the rest of their lives. Haven't seen any claims for the atrocity, but no doubt that will be forthcoming soon.

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The so called Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the atrocity. A 23 yr old man has been arrested in South Manchester apparently in connection with it. The bomber was known to the authorities . A lot of people at the concert say the security was very lax and bags were not searched . ofcourse checking every person's bag etc would cause queues going into a venue but surely it would be worth it to feel more safe. I have felt sick all day as my daughter and her friend were due to go this coming Saturday to see Take That in the arena and the thought of it happening then instead of yesterday turns my blood cold. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the dead and injured.

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This bomber was in the foyer, a place where bags are not checked. You can go into the foyer to buy tickets...is is not under the same scrutiny as the other entrances.
He may never have actually been in the arena. Bags are searched before you go into the venue..and ues queues do build up(I have been to the Manchester Arena a few times and bag checks when I was there were thorough(though I accept it may have changed now).
The bomber may not have had the explosive device in his bag, it may have been under his clothes, so would not have been picked up on a bag check.


Islamic state are going to claim it as one of theirs...it was(as far as they are concerned) a successful 'hit'.

I am just so sad for the parents who have lost children. (your children remain so no matter how old they are)

I am very angry that yet again a person of British nationality has perpetrated an act of hostility and terror.
He is NOT British...even if he was born here, raised here and holds a British passport. He obviously did not identify with the nation, he preferred to align himself to a barbaric seventh century creed.

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Thats just the trouble the clowns will say HE IS British.:mad:

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The clowns are wrong Cashy...they are calling him British to try to defuse racial tension...but if he is British then I don't want to be anymore.

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People who commit these despicable acts have renounced their citizenship to any civilized nation. From my perspective they have also renounced their membership of the human race.

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The murderer has been named as 22year old Salman Abedi(that is a very good British name).
The police visited his address and carried out a controlled explosion....make of that what you will.

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What I make of it is, innocent lives have been wasted, I've seen appeals from worried parents and friends of missing people, children and adults that were out there to enjoy themselves, they had no reason or cause to fight, but they have been taken away by sad and nasty members of intolerant 'religions', may all those members of such societies hang their heads in shame if they knowingly did nothing to prevent this shameful act.

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Been to m.e.n twice. Both times I was searched going in

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This murderer must have felt very brave...killing little girls.
Shame on him and those who knew about his malicious thoughts and still shielded him.

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It said on the 6-00 news that this murdering scum,lived in an area of Manchester that has been known to house extremists for quite a few years, My question is WHY THE HELL have the authorities allowed this to happen? no wonder theres murdering scumbags when they are allowed to live like this.

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I would like to hear what the family of the 'loser' thinks of him now? would they still love him or be like me 'Disgusted 'at what they have spawned!

Rest in peace
Needless attack on children!!!

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I echo your disgust Not just a needless attack on children, a needless attack against all that perished.

What do they hope to gain? We don't need this senseless slaughter if it does anything it wears away the tolerance of the British people of all races and religions.

A countrywide purge by all right thinking people needs to be administered, I don't mean lock away the innocent just because of race or colour, I mean a gathering of all races and creeds to stop such stupidity, to do that, when they restart their canvassing for the election it should be the main topic of all our politicians.

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It should be the main topic less, but they put votes before public safety.:mad:

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Born in Britain to Libyan parents, so not really British at all, just because a Dogs born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.

Watching the news coverage I see the usual suspects are being paraded to spout their standard she-ite! The creature was known to the police & was being watched ... why? Far simpler to pay him a visit, explain the facts of life to it & suggest it goes away, far, far, away never to return & so live happily ever after in a place where they share similar views & attitudes.

failing that, unfortunate accidents seem to happen quite frequently in these modern & dangerous times.

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Due to our do-gooding society I doubt that there are enough people practised in 'sorry governor, he sort of slipped and fell down the steps' that would free us from this and future attacks on the innocent.

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Sad but true, makes you yearn for bygone times well within living memory. When plod was a hard nosed copper unhindered by sensibilities & touchy feely equality, a "You're nicked sunshine!" & a size 10 crushing your neck while your arm was being dislocated as it was shoved up your back.

Judges & judiciary gave sentences that were sentences & time in a nick was not like a Butlins break, you wanted out & were damned sure you didn't want to be back inside ever.

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Libyan eh?
Bundle every one of his family on a plane and send them back from whence they came.
They would only need to do this a few times before the message got through to communities that harbour and nurture these murderers.

Don't call him British, don't call him a terrorist, don't call him a jihadi.
Tell it like it is. Call him a cowardly murderer of children.
Dispose of any remains in a pit full of pig entrails...and for those out there that think this is inhumane and offers him no dignity.
What humanity did he show to the children he slaughtered...what dignity did they receive at his hands??

As I type this there are children having nuts and bolts rsurgically removed from their bodies...and others recovering from such surgery.
Girls who like as not will be disfigured for life. They will cary this incident with them and be forced to look at it every day of their lives.
I can think of words to describe this creature...but I cannot post them here for the sake of decency.

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Are you the one that bought that copy of my biography? Must admit I didn't think you'd read it!

Just a test, on which page did I (in a muffled voice due to my teeth being forced down my throat) utter the words, 'it's a fair cop I did it'.

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I am not a fan of Trump but he was right this week when he said in the Middle East that their countries need to stand side by side with West to show solidarity against these terrorists. In this country the Imams should be openly condemning them too more forthrightly than they have done up to now.

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The thing is, even when fellow Muslims condemn these acts, the condemnation seems mealy mouthed and insincere.
It would mean far more if they rooted out the maggots from their communities.
While they shield them and nurture them by not reporting them, their words of condemnation are just words...lip service, nothing more.

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As far as i'm concerned Donald Trump is a breath of fresh air, vilified by the media and the politicos that have no intention of trying to sort the terrorist problem, its a great pity to me, that the senate snooker him.

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if this had happened in America somewhere in sysria or some other isis hang out would be leveled by now and they wouldnt have got a warning that america was on their way either

sod europe we need to work with someone who is prepared to act and our government shoudl be working with america and doing a lot more than we do already to wipe isis out

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As a Manc, born & bred, until at the age of 19 (over 50 yrs ago) I came to live & stay in Accrington, I have shed many tears today.... just as I did over twenty years ago, when I witnessed the destruction caused by Corbyn's associates, the bloody IRA, to the buildings of my beloved city... only then, it was 'only' concrete & glass, no lives, fortunately, were lost.

Today, we have witnessed much, much more, the successors of those bloody terrorists from across the Irish Sea, have used, what I believe, to be the intelligence & bomb manufacturing so successfully applied by the IRA from the seventies onwards.

To implement such devices learned from the IRA, to use them against the innocents, young children & their friends & family, is beyond despicable. I doubt the IRA, despite their bombings & killing of children, as with Timothy Parry, would have stooped so low.

But then I forget the Birmingham bombings, Horse Guards Parade, & probably others that don't yet come to mind.

Perhaps what, in my grief for my beloved city, I am trying to say, is, that the last 24 hours is nothing new, despite however tragic..... I have been to the MEN scores of times over the years, cannot remember ever having more than a precursary search, & can only say:

'There but for the grace of God....'

RIP to such young lives lost, & my sincere condolences to their families & loved ones.

Hoping the 59 hospitalised make as full a recovery from their injuries as possible, although, I fear, their mental issues may take much longer.

With much sadness
Gerard

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Sad news, hopefully the 59 injured can make a full recovery

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Too late to edit, but what I intended to say, after 'however tragic', was
'only the names of the perpertrators have changed, for IRA, now read ISIS'

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the second isis claimed it our jets shoudl have been taking off

screw collateral damage they are targeting our children now specifically

its time the gloves came off i dont want moral high ground i want these feckers wiping out

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British or not the person(s) who carried this out or even were involved should be dealt with the full force of the law. And their relatives should be expelled from the country or if they are on welfare all payments should cease. The do-gooders will complain but who cares, send them as well.

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Sadly so have the responses, in 84/85 in NI one of our lads was designated as driver for the ATO, called to a scene in a graveyard were the IRA had stockpiled arms, ammunition & explosives he got to see how our "Specialist anti terror units"(SAS) used to deal with terrorist filth. Scattered around the site four bodies (a known terrorist cell) all stitched with bullet holes & 1 neatly drilled through the forehead!

That is how terrorists/radical extremists & their sympathisers require dealing with.

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Exactly it wasn't advertised just done end of, thats the only way to deal with barbaric scum.

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problem is these days when one of our lads kills a terrorist scum bag the government allows them to be put on trial and put in prison

as long as they cease to breathe air jobs a good un

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A surprising fact just announced on Sky news, within a 3 mile radius of the perps home in Fallowfield, 16 men have been found to be ISIS sympathisers, or have actually found to have been to Syria & back.
Maybe it's an area that should be on 'lockdown' until all suspects are rounded up.

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The special forces should be told to do what they did in the 80s with the IRA. as far as i'm concerned.never mind rounding em up.

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Read a book recently called Soldier Spy, interesting try it.

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All military bodycams should develop unrepairable faults with immediate effect.

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they shoudl only be used to assist in a mission and never be used to drag a soldier up on charges for doing his or her job

it is ridiculous that we train young people to kill , drop them off in a place where if captured they will be beheaded after been tortured and expectthem to play by rules these scumbags probably dont even know exist

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It is very likely that many of these injured will have life changing injuries and those who have not lost limbs have disfiguring injuries that they will see every day and be reminded that all they wanted to do was have a lovely night out watching a pop singer.

On another note, the father of the bomber says his son was innocent.
How does he work that one out?

I have been to Bury today and it was busier than usual. I spoke to a stall holder and she told me that many of their customers had said that they would not 'risk' shopping in Manchester.

Me? I have lost my unconditional positive regard.
Today I looked at the Asian men with rucksacks and wondered if they were A's or B's...Abusers, or bombers.
That may seem unfair, but I do not apologise for being suspicious, for not trusting anyone who looks (from their clothes or their appearance) to be Muslim.

It is no surprise that mosques are reporting an increase in what they consider to be racial incidents, verbal abuse and criminal damage.( I do not condone any of these things)
There was a spokesperson outside the Manchester Islamic centre who spoke eloquently of not supporting extremist members of the community...they said their centre was for all people...any colour creed or faith.
He said all the right things....all the things that he supposes we want to hear, but until these communities follow up these words with actions, then I am not convinced they mean anything.

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I heard the Father has been arrested also the bombers brother in Libya,so looks like he may have been indoctrinated by daddy.?

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All well & good, but as long as these people subscribe & follow the tenets of Mad Moes big bumper grimoire of fun for Koranderthals the hatred will continue. It's all written down & as good Mohammedans they are bound to follow its doctrine & that includes lying through your teeth (taquiyya) to kafirs & infidels as that's part & parcel of the code.

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Yes, as I said I distrust weasel words.
It is actions that count.

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Terrible what has happened. They cannot even be called human, because they're definitely not. They are just pure monsters. It's heartbreaking. There is a vigil tomorrow evening in the grounds of St James church, Accrington at 7.30. Hope it is well attended, because all the vigils that are happening around the country shows the monsters that we as humans stand together.

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I understand that it's well intentioned, but how does it actually benefit anyone? The attendees will more than likely be those who espouse liberal, non confrontational attitudes, the mind set that we can all get on together as long as the indigenous allow the "newcomers" to carry on with their ethnic ways & everything will be just peachy!

It's those ways that have destroyed their original homes & lands & turned them into the lawless inhospitable cesspits they now are! Appeasement & tolerance of their backward culture has brought us to the situation we find ourselves living with now. One Country, one set of laws & rules, we were here first, this is our way, you chose to come here, don't like it, don't come knocking on our door, it really is that simple.

The sooner the sjw's, snowflakes & bed wetting , hand wringing liberals eventually "Get it", the sooner we can return to being a united happy little Island of Britishers again!

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Well, or should that be all well and good? We suffer innocent people being murdered by fanatics of any colour or creed, innocent people just going about their lives and you and your kind can only come up with a vigil?

We need to get everyone behind us, (and by us I mean mankind working for our future not just the future of one race) to dismiss as abhorrent any such actions anyone that isn't for peaceful co-existence, I hate the killing of any person but there has to be a limit, it is time that if caught, we send these folk to enjoy their 74 virgins as soon as possible.

Why should we put up with children being slaughtered?

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This LOSER spent 3 weeks in Libya?
How many crack intelligence bureaucrats missed that glaring clue?
Perhaps upon his return he should have been fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet complete with bells and required to wear a sign around his neck clearly marked "Unclean Stupid Loser" ...."Possibly Dangerous".
If they want to return to the middle ages let's provide them with some of the accoutrements.

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Less, when these murderers are dispatched to their version of paradise and they get their 74 virgins...all these virgins are 74!

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I know that it has been said that internment of such murderers would not work...and to some degree I think that is true,but it could be a solution of sorts.
Especially if these terrorists were housed on some remote, bleak and cold Scottish island.
Somewhere that is a damn good swim away from the mainland(say 10 miles), somewhere with no phone or Internet signal and only heather to fall out with.
Drop them off with just enough supplies to make a bivouac and then drop beans and rice on a monthly basis.
It would be a cheapest option as no one would be needed to supervise their lives.
So what is wrong with this...well, of course it does not meet with the criteria of the EHCR.

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List of Islamic Terror Attacks
Have a look at this.
Islam, the Religion of Peace??

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So many surprised that they targeted children, they must be unaware of the terrible acts Muslims inflict on one another- unaware of such attacks as like the Peshawar School massacre

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I think we are aware of what Muslims do to one another...barbarity is a mediaeval thing.
This religion and culture has not moved from the Middle Ages.
This creatures parents fled from Libya. They were given sanctuary in a country noted for its ability to take in the waifs and strays...a country that is tolerant of the customs and cultures of others.
We may not want to avail ourselves of these customs and cultures, but we do not mind incomers keeping hold of theirs.
This creature was schooled here, had freedoms here(freedoms which he despised so much)he was given health care,he was housed.
This is how we are paid for our hospitality.
If this person hated these freedoms so much why did he not just go back to live in Libya?
He and his family were obviously in no danger or disadvantaged, since his parents and a younger brother live there...he visited for months at a time.

What a brave jihadi he was(heavy on the sarcasm)...killing girls and women.
If he wanted to fight (and die in Martyrdom) he could have gone to any of the places where conflict is taking place and fought real men...but no, he preferred to murder little girls.

I have found over the last days I have been angered beyond belief, that I distrust those who are or appear to be of this peaceful faith...Muslims.

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A Scottish island is too close!

Can we not send them to somewhere more distant?
Like.... ummmmm... Australia? As our forefathers did not so many generations ago?

Oh, sorry, the aussies are more enlightened than us, they have strict immigration controls nowadays!!

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One of those very remote, cold craggy ones would be OK. There would be no phone signal, no internet and maybe only sheep for company.
Why would we pollute a country like Oz with such rubbish

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Why bother Topping em would be much cheaper, after all its the age of austerity. though Corbyn would just talk to em no doubt.:rolleyes:

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I suspect Corbyn would apologise to them.

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The man is a hypocrite.
He voted against anti terror measures throughout his political career.
He was a supporter of and and apologist for the IRA and their violence.
He is trying to say that the terrorism is our fault for getting involved in a variety of conflicts.
It is not OUR fault, it is not the fault of the ordinary joe/Jill...it is the fault of successive governments whose policies were to commit troops to conflict...and the terrorism pre dates many of these anyway.

Cashy my comment was about the 3000 or so jihadists that are known about.
We cannot 'top' them all...it would create more of these so called martyrs.
But we could house them in remote, inhospitable places.
It should be possible to intern them, but not in their homes, not where there is even a remote chance that they can be contacted by other Islamic men who have malicious intent.

The other thing I would do if I were in power would be to round up every last member of the murderers family, (and there appears to be a few of these currently being investigated) I would load them onto a plane and they would be taken back to the country of origin..in this case Libya.
They would forfeit any goods or property that they owned here.
This would be sold and the proceeds would go to the fund for the families who were harmed.

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So what, 3000 Martyrs is fine by me,if they support I.S. then history as far as i'm concerned.

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If, as Comrade Korbyn suggests, Islamofascist terrorist attacks are a response to 'western' military intervention, how would he explain the recent atrocity carried out in Sweden, a long-established neutral state?

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This man Corbyn is even more dangerous than Blair ever was,and i detested Blair. I just heard Corbyn say discussion is better, how can anyone with 5 brain cells reckon you can discuss with these people?

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comrade korbyn conveniently forgets these terror attacks by Muslim groups were happening long before the iraq conflict etc

Corbyn wanted medals for IRA soldiers i dread to think who he would put up for a medal if he got in to power

it was said last night that he intended to use these poor victims of manchester as a political tool to close the gap on the tory party in a veiled way the disgusting little traitor

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I think he is despicable using this terrorist attack to promote his political ends.
How low can he sink?

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well he seems to have hooked a lot of people with his multiple promises of free stuff and saving the NHS all of which he has provided no explanation as to how he is going to pay for it other than tax the better off


now a man who has sided with IRA scum and islamic extremists is now claiming he can protect our country and should be in charge of our brave troops who he has no respect or love for proven by his own actions and the company he keeps

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He hasn't hooked me.
I can see through these empty promises.
What is the promise of an IRA apologist and sympathiser worth?
Absolutely nothing.

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Corbyn? - terrorist action in countries that are not involved in Libya, Syria, Iraq which destroys his argument that actions in those countries result in terrorist attacks. There is also Egypt, a bus full of Coptic Christians - the very same people that gave Shelter to Mohammed when he fled Arabia, was bombed in Cairo yesterday - mostly school children on a school outing. Probably more killed than in Manchester.
Corbyn only says what he believes will hoodwink enough people to vote Labour.

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Labour can spin it however they want to but the bottom line is jeremy corbyn thinks we were asking to get bombed

i wonder what he thought sweeden the most neutral country in the world did to deserve been attacked ?

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The thought that Jeremy Corbyn could be elected to lead this country scares me.
He would sell us out to the EU, he would let terrorists into the country...in fact he would encourage the poor darlings to come here. Figuring that a socialist(communist) environment would cure them of their desire to annihilate us.
He doesn't 'get' that the only thing extremist Muslims want is to make the whole world a Muslim caliphate.
I do not trust him at all...I would vote for a donkey before I would vote for Labour.

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What Corbyn has said is nothing but a cheap shot to try to gain votes,as accyman said Sweden is the most Neutral country,what excuse has he for them being attacked, anyone voting for him has rocks in their heads.:rolleyes: I dislike the Torys intensely, but would vote them before him any day.

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Corbyn had a car crash yesterday with the Andrew Neil interview. You would have to be as thick as mince to vote Labour

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There are still some very blinkered Labour supporters out there.
Those that would vote for a monkey as long as it was travelling under the Labour banner...those who know no other way to vote...those who vote without thinking about what their vote actually means.

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So who are you voting for? You cannot possibly be voting Tory. UKIP then , they have achieved their aim of getting us out of Europe . Liberal? You've got to be joking!! So it brings us back to who are you voting for? For an old timer like me , with a long memory, I would chop off my arm than vote Tory. With all his faults, mostly lies by the Tory press, I am left with Corbyn. So it's Labour for me like it was at my first election in the 1950s

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All my life i have voted Labour, I want out of Europe more than anything for the sake of my grandkids, I certainly WILL NOT vote Labour this time, The Leader wants to discuss with terrorists @ Barbarians, i certainly think thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, you vote for him if yeh wish i would vote tory much as i despise them, Soft on Terrorists, soft on Europe, not for me.

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Been reading the Daily Mail again Cashy?Think for yourself!!!

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I dont read the daily mail i dont need silly sods to tell me to think for myself either.:rolleyes:also i wouldn't vote for a pig if it had red rosette on either.

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I totally agree with Cashman.
I'm almost ashamed to say I will vote Conservative for the first time in my life.
Once Corbyn has been ousted I may return to being a faithful labourite.
Anyway it's too late to change my mind in this election period.
My vote for the Tory has been already posted.

And I don't read the Daily Mail.

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Well Jim, even a vote for one of those other parties may put Jeremy Corbyn into power...so it cannot be one of those.
I can think for myself and I can also work out that Jeremy Corbyn is playing to those who want Utopia(his version of it) but want others to pay for it.
We would get into that cycle of borrowing by Labour to fund their ideologies(unlimited welfare for everyone regardless of whther you have paid in or not)...then they would lose power and the nasty, tough, tories would impose austerity budgets to try and get us back into some sort of financial shape(and before anyone tells me that we are NOT in sound financial state due to government borrowing...I know this.)

I have never stuck to party ideologies. I have voted for the party whose policies make the best fist of it(at that time)...sometimes I have spoiled my paper because I have not liked any of them....but this time I am going to vote for Theresa May.
She seems less like a tory. She has integrity, and is willing to listen to the electorate.
I think she has guts and I think she will take no crap from those who would shaft us in the EU.
I really believe she would walk away from the table rather than accept a deal which is not beneficial to the UK.
I know Jeremy Corbyn would not.
He is not a leader...he is manipulated by others in the party Like John Mc Donnell.
He is a terrorist sympathiser(despite what he says...he has voted 17 times against anti terror legislation since 1983...this is not from the Mail..it is from Hansard) and an IRA apologist.
So how on earth you can vote Labour Jim, is beyond me. But we all have one vote and you can cast it in whatever way you choose.
Labour will not be getting mine

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I would eat my own eyeballs before I would vote for Labour right now.

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Both parties have said that they will get tough on terrorists.
Neither of them have said how this will be effected.
What we need is a branch of the Border force with special powers.
They should be given the resources to investigate all 23,000 people who are currently designated by MI5 and MI6 as 'of interest'.
They should also go around the country to all the takeaways and businesses that employ foreign labour and check if these worker are legal or not.
They do this in Australia and if people are found who have no right to be in the country they are sent back to where they came from.

We have had terribly lax border security for too many years and the upshot is we do not know who is here and should not be. It is time to sort that out.

If anyone knocks on my door asking for my vote I will be asking them some very pointed question. This one about security will be top of my list.

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I cannot believe what I have just read, did my eyes fail me, so I read it a 2nd time, still the same. I think I am of a similar age to Jim Proctor, and I cannot agree with anything he has written. There has never been a Labour Government in my lifetime, nearly seventy years that has been any good. Every one has left us with financial difficulties. The pipe smoking Harold Wilson actually preferred Cigars, in private of course. Tony Blair the architect of all the immigration problems this Country has to suffer. His war on Iraq was a Lie. Numerous other comments I could make, but the list is to long.

I must have lived a very sheltered life, after the tragedy that happened in Manchester, I was watching Sky News, they went into a Market, it was live viewing, I thought it was somewhere in the Middle East......it was MANCHESTER, my god what happened, how did we walk into this. We are so lucky in Scotland, immigration is low.

My vote will be a CONSERVATIVE VOTE I want to come out of this Corrupt EU, my country given back to us, and at this point in time Theresa May is the only person I would trust.

Like I have said in a previous post, you would have to be as THICK AS MINCE, TO VOTE LABOUR WITH JEREMY CORBYN AS THE LEADER.

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I wish I could double like that post Bea...I think you must be inside my head.
I will be at my biblical sell by date next month so I am not wet behind the ears.
I am also able to read, research and make my own mind up about things I see in my daily life.
I can also reason that a vote for Labour would not help us in any way shape or form because the current manifesto policies are pie in the sky...and they were meant to be, because you can promise ANYTHING you like if you KNOW you are never going to be asked to deliver.
A Labour government would see those whom Labour consider to be rich, fleeced for taxes(I doubt that the big multinational companies would be targetted because they would just up and leave...as would those who were paying for idle burgers to sit about the house and watch Jeremy Kyle).
And before people tell me that not all those on benefits are like that.....enough of them are.
It should NEVER be more lucrative to live on handouts than it is to go out to work.
There are some on benefits right now who are getting more tax free money than a couple who both work and claim only tax credits. That cannot be fair or just.

People cannot expect to be kept by the state.
Rights come with responsibility.

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I am heartened by your comments, I will try a few more. Oh! just a thought I cannot be of a similar age to J Proctor if he voted in 1950, that would make him in his 90's, no where near that.

Tonight at 6.00 pm on the BBC, Andrew Neil is interviewing Her Majesty, Queen of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, If anyone on the Website is interested, please watch and post your comments on here. I will be posting

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I suspect that most of you are really Labour at heart.Its Corbyn that's the problem isn't it?And from what I have read on this site the Hyndburn M P is not well liked. Well I have a Labour M P who is first class, who is always looking after her constituents, a bit like the late Jo Cox That's why I am voting Labour.

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Not just him, was on Andrew Marr that silly bitch Dianne Abbott and all the terror groups she refused to vote to ban,no-one with a grain of sense should put people like this in power.:rolleyes: They are a danger to the public in my view.

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I have never voted Labour. Voted UKIP and would vote for this party again, voted for my sins (cannot believe I am telling you this, don't even want to type it) SNP I must have had a bad turn in 1987, I voted for them as a protest vote against the carnage that was happening in the shipbuilding industry on the Tyne and Clyde Rivers. Never voted for them since and could never vote for them again. There only aim in life is to break up the United Kingdom, no thanks. So I am no Labour voter, but what I hope I am is an intelligent voter, who has taken an interest in politics all my Adult Life, so sorry Jim Proctor, I could not give my vote to Labour, not with Brexit, there in not one of Corbyns Cabinet capable of doing a proper job.

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No, I am not naturally aligned to any political party.
I choose to give my vote to who ever I feel is best set to represent my core values.
If there is no one, then I walk down to the polling station and draw on my ballot paper, or write none of the above.
I have never missed doing the walk. I would hate anyone to think that I couldn't be bothered.
I suppose that given my background(large family, poverty, illness in the family) it would be easy to assume that Labour would be my choice...but I vote only after very careful consideration of what the person asking for my vote is actually worth.
Our current representative leaves a lot to be desired. It appears that his political career is more important that the wishes of the people he is supposed to.represent.

It is academic really, even if we had a superb representative, I would not vote for them because the Labour Party has really lost its way.

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Jim, I think it is more than a little patronising to assume that we cannot make rational and reasoned decisions about who to vote for.
Suggesting that we are influenced by a particular newspaper is a bit of a cheap shot.
Not something I had you down for.
I have always considered your posts to be considered and moderate.
I respect your right to choose and the reasons for your choice.
At the same time I hope the Labour Party lose,then they might find someone more capable of leadership in opposition...and they might (given time) find their way back to being a party you could consider voting for.

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It was a very cheap shot, though it dont surprise me,off one who seems to consider himself brighter than us oiks, it dont wash with me at all.:rolleyes:

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I nearly pressed Like there Margaret.

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That would have been alright Jim.
Sometimes I have to 'LIKE' what I feel is true, but I don't actually like very much.

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not just corbyn thats the problem our MP is so out of touch with the people of hyndburn as well

bet he wouldnt get elected if he went independent thats for sure

its a good job this area votes labour no matter what or he would be out of a job

its very sad that people who voted leave will vote for a man who would gladly pull us back in to the EU given half a chance

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I voted Leave, My vote which was posted yesterday was certainly not for Jones, I even told him so when he knocked on my door. From reading other posts on here there are others who think like me.

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fingers crossed theres enough to get the job done

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So...it happens again,but this time in London?
Three young Islamic men...THREE, and no one in their communities knew anything about it.
(At least they have been dispatched.)

There will be much hand wringing. Their will be flowers laid, candles lit, vigils observed.
There will be lip service from the Muslim community about how 'this is not the Islam they know'
Maybe in another two weeks Birmingham will be the target...and again the cycle will be repeated.
AND NOTHING WILL HAVE BEEN DONE. NOTHING WILL HAVE CHANGED.

It is time that the unthinkable was considered, and the problems addressed.

I am fed up with walking around seeing men of a certain ethnic background and wondering if they are an A or a B(an abuser or a bomber).
Before anyone slings that racist slur at me...what am I supposed to feel and think?
If the Muslim community were to do something more than issue placatory sound bites, and stop shielding these men, I might just feel a little better about them. I might be able to suspend my suspicion of ALL of them.