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I nearly died choking on my Weetabix this morning. The cause of this event? An article on the radio stating that HM Government, not satisfied with reducing the Royal Navy to a size somewhat smaller than the Swiss Fleet, have now decided that in order to bolster it's recruitment numbers, it is to enlist the assistance of an organisation by the name of "Stonewall".

I'd never heard of this particular outfit before, and thinking it was just another Google Page Ranking/Advertising agency, I was gobsmacked to find that it is a lobby group for the dykes and puffters. Amongst their term of reference is that of ensuring that warships (if indeed we do have any left) have quarters which are "Gay and Lesbian" friendly.

Well, personally I prefer a warship to be a warship, and well there may truth in the old adage of the Royal Navy being about "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" I do not think that putting the emphasis on the sodomy is going to do us very much good to the perception of our fighting capabilities by our potential enemies. Quite honestly, they must be p***ing their pants with laughter by now. I can just see Brunos Aires dusting off their Malvinas maps and the Iranians ready to lift some more "Jolly Tars" in the Gulf.

What a madhouse our navy is becoming.

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Good to see how far man has advanced when it comes to be open minded and all......

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it could be worse the could be relying on accy and ozzy !

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lol we can send ships of homos to iraq and bum the buggers into submission

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We'd probably get a message, asking for more to be sent over!!!

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Well, it's more your Pick Grin set now...............:rolleyes: Bottoms up boys.

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Hmmm was my irony lost there ?

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True, but most saying that gay people cant fight and represent their country is discriminatory and can be personal.

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I understand what your saying and I agree that there is open discrimination, my feelings on the matter is that people should just be what they are and get on with their lives. There is acceptance of lesbian and gay communities and has been for years, unfortunately some go too far and want to be recognised for the fact that they are different and openly seek confrontation. Live and let live should be the bench mark here, people, gay or otherwise should just get on with it and enjoy their lives.

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the navy could fire the bum boys at the enemy, one or two DIRECT HITS could mean surrender

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hey i agree they have just as much right to die for their country as much as the next man

i just wish they wouldnt take so long doing their hair before going out to fight :(

anyway i think the iraqis will enjoy somthing different than cammel :D

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i was refering to cammel cigrettes

honest ;)

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jimmy sumerville ( lead singer of the comunards for those too young to know) goes so far with the gay pride crap he actual has been quoted as saying if your not gay then your the abnormal one

oh by the way i will riddicule any race , gender or unfortunate i see fit to make a joke about as its the british thing to do but it dosnt mean i hate these people infact the people who bleet on about gay rights arnt usualy gay, the gay people couldnt care less they just want to live their lives

ime not gay but ime begining to suspect my boyfriend maybe :eek:

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if they go ahead and make our entire fleet a paradise for gays this could be what ends up defending our shores :eek:

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As Lord Onslow once said on Have I Got News For You. "The Church of England used to be pro fox-hunting and anti buggery. Now it's pro buggery and anti fox-hunting".

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next year they will be pro buggering foxes

lets see how the hunt sabatours handle that one lmao

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I have a problem with the making quarters gay 'friendly' places. What the hell does that mean? Naval vessels are warships for crying out loud. Everybody working on a warship must work as a team and be treated alike regardless of sexual orientation, colour, religion etc.

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i think thats what they are trying to do lettie, making somewhere gay friendly doesnt mean turning it into a gay 'zone'. It just means that if someone is gay then they can go there without being discriminated or made fun of. Just like places should be for all sex, race and religion. Im not saying people should be treated differently because they are gay or whatever. I just mean we should be actively encouraging people of all walks of life into what is predominantly seen as a straight, male environment. Im sure if the government was actively seeking more females for this campaign people wouldnt be in quite as much uproar.

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Gay people can fight but sadly it's usually amongst themselves as to who is the biggest b*tch and consists of pulling hair and nipping can't see were this will benefit the fleet can you?

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Things like this although funny are also what stops people seeing beyond stereotypes and prejudices

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It is also what turns our Forces into a laughing stock!!!

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Only if you are narrowminded enough to think that way. Personally if someone is bearing down on me with a gun about to blow my head off, I dont really care if they are black, white, gay, straight or blue with 2 heads.

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gays i hear are excellent shoppers so maybe they can get us good deals on missiles etc

personaly i have no like or dislike for gays i just choose to leave buggery for the dogs as they dont know any better

anyay how can you expect people not to take the mick when channel 4 sticks people like marco on tv acting like a right fool

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There would be no need for guns, the enemy would only need to mention the British Forces are on there way, it wouldn't be fear it provoked anymore it would be hysterical laughter!

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Its good to see that people can still have good in-depth debates

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Have you ever stopped to consider where most of the "gay stereo-typing" comes from? Gay commedians. Don't blame heterosexuals for having a dig at them when there are enough homosexual commedians out there making fun of themselves and other gays.

And what about shows like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"? They overplay the "puffter" image intentionally.

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one thing that has always puzzeled me is why do some gays start talking in a high pitched camp voice when they come out of the closet

are they the female role ( taker) in a gay relation ship

sounds stupid but it happens i know of one guy who had a voice deeper than barry white but as soon as he came out he sounded like jimmy sumerville

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I have no objections as long as everyone is treated fairly and equally. The gay image I have to agree with Willow. Actors singers and people in the public eye often play the gay role as effeminate which isn't necessarily the case. I know plenty of gay men who are as masculine looking as you can get. The gay image is not helped by the 'camp as a row of tents' personas that some of these actors (bloke off corrie, John Inman etc) singers (Jimmy Somerville) portray.

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Think we kinda got off topic here

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I wasn't blaming anyone, straight or gay. I was just stating that to actively recruit any sort of group of people is always a good thing and should not be shot down due to prejudice and ridicule.

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So we'll tell the other countries Forces that they aren't allowed to laugh at us and they must take us seriously even if we do have a minceing front line!!

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Whats the point in trying to respond to someone who obviously hasn't got anything constructive to say.

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If we are lucky we might be able to get the UN to sanction no mickey taking of the British 'gay' Forces!!!

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Well i'll shut up shall i before you take your handbag to me!!

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So lets say the police announce there is a severe lack of women in the british police force and they want to recruit a greater number. Would you say that is wrong?

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Well said.

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Actually Doug you are probably right there, damn government. But what riles me up is when people blatantly abuse and make fun of things at the expense of other people and their lifestyles as some people have done in this thread.

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OK, G78...who's done that? Name Name's, please.

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>> Have you ever stopped to consider where most of the "gay stereo-typing" comes from? Gay commedians.<<

Hmmm, Maybe. But most of the opinions voiced thus far are identical to what was doing the rounds when I was at primary school. Plus ca change ,Plus la meme chose.
Has it ever ocurred to anyone that in portraying themselves as stereotypes, gay comedians might actually be taking the p*ss out of their audience's predjudices.

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Tealeaf just look back over the past few pages. To you they may not be offensive but to a gay person they can be. What most people think is funny and light hearted can hurt the people they aim it at, and can sometimes just be a disguise for plain old prejudice.

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Quite right, A-B. Me and you are the same age, and as I recall the only puffter we would see on telly when we were kids was Liberace, and even he denied it. A queer was a queer and the law duefully recognised that by making the act of bum-bashing a criminal act, and even when that was recinded in 1967 you'd be fully grown-up and composmentis before indulging in these obnoxious capers. These days, of course, thanks to "Gay-Friendly" New Labour, we have a paedophiles charter, and dirty old men diving in the sack with young lads at 16 years of age (2 years before they can legally have a pint)

Neverthelss,we knew a bandit when we saw one and we did'nt need any "Gay Awareness" school lesson to tell us such. The only motto was "keep the buggars at bay" and if they came to close , then sort 'em out. I can tell you, the world was a far happier place then.

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And on this note can I just say that WE ARE WHAT WE ARE!! let it be BLACK,WHITE CHINESE,INDIAN ,GAY, STRAIGHT, A BIT OF BOTH or anything for that matter.
Dare to be different i say, gay people can't help what they feel or they would be straight and live a ''normal life'' whatever that might be.
Don't get me wrong 'some' of them can annoy the chuffing life out of me (specially like what was mentioned the over camp one's' but some of them are genuin nice people , but hey that is same with everything, some white people I can't stand, and some white people I can, some asian people I can't stand, some I can!!! you get the picture.
What really annoys me is people that say they can't stand people (lets say for instance asians), then talk to them. TWO FACED I think they call it.

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I think you just outed yourself there Tealeaf. Well done.

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I thought this post was for peoples opinion on gay people in The Navy not a 'gay appreciation' post. If you want to start a 'pro gay' thread g78 i will gladly contribute with nice things to say, i have gay friends and they are absolute stars, but in The Navy, no!!!

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Quote"I think you just outed yourself there Tealeaf. Well done." Unquote
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Bollocks. !00% Lean, Mean, English Heterosexual Machine.

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Gay men and women are as capable of fighting for their country as any other section of society. Indeed, a great many gave their lives for their country through two world wars. To suggest that the simple fact of recognition will bring the Navy into disrepute is not only fatuous but is an insult to the memory of the many who served faithfully and died for their country.

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I was thinking more of sad, old hateful man. But delusions can be fun too.

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[QUOTE=g78]I was thinking more of sad, old hateful man. But delusions can be fun too.[/QUOTE

Unlike you, G78, I don't have delusions...you may wish a better world built by homo's, ethnics, vegans, vegies, animal lovers, cross-dressers, marxist's, anarchists and all the other assorted riff-raff on this planet, but I can assure you that the rest of the world does'nt.

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What bothers me is why being gay is such a bigger part of who you are than being heterosexual. Surely a person's sexuality is only one part of their psychological make-up - unfortunately too many gay people make it into an issue where it was never one before. The old joke about the Navy used to be that "On land, it's wine, women and song, aboard ship it's rum, bum and concertina" - a joke made by sailors themselves. I do resent the attitude "I am gay, that is the most important thing about me, and you must respect me for it, even to an exaggerated extent".

Do what you want, make your own choices, and shut up about it.

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Whoops..............

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well said pendy, I mean I am straight, but what me thinks is REALLY funny is when heterosexual sexual people say things like '' ow no look a gay has just come in the pub!! if they come near me!!) I mean come on guys EVEN GAYS ARE CHOOSY!! now think about that one you lot.

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is this what is meant when someone comes out of the closet...?

http://archives.thedaily.washington....rrc.closet.jpg

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Don't know ask tealeaf he knows sooooooooooooo much about the subject that he wants to inflict it on others

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hang on that cant be a fags closet theres hardly any clothes in it and theres a coat hanger left lying on the floor

he must just be hiding from one then ;)

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yes

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I absolutely agree willow, people should not be judged as a gay person, but sadly a lot are. From school through to the work place and in society many are ridiculed and made to feel less of a person, so as a way of standing up to the bullies they feel they have to make an issue of their sexuality and celebrate it. I'm not saying its necessarily a good or bad thing but if you think it through it is understandable. When people in general are repressed and bullied they will eventually shout back.

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Did you hear about the homosexual wizard ?

He vanished with a pooooooof.

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the army as always been full of gays- all male [until recently,] dressing up, short hair, boots, mucky games with crackers etc, lol

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just rang a gay plasterer he says he will pop round wedesday to take a look at my crack in the bedroom

hope he can fill it as its in a place i cant reach myself :D


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i know us normal people take the mick but look at it this way

for tollerating a few jokes about sexual orientation you get...

special clinics and councilors just for you

near enough unsackable from any job you are in

better chances of adopting a baby than a straight couple

more hand outs from the national lottery than disabled children

many more things all setup just for gay people the system wont be happy unless your asian , gay and out of work its just too much hassle been english, straight and in a job you get nothing in return

the truth is a lot of gays do keep quiet and dont expect special treatment but just like the old storys of the few asians who cried " its because ime black" a minority of the gay population will say "its because ime gay " and it will get into the media and then before you know it theres a group of gays with billboards screaming we want this gays want that and totaly give gays a bad image

take the last big brother for instance there were 2 gays in there daniel and marco were there names i think

daniel was laid back and only spoke about his sexuality when ASKED about it where as marco couldnt wait to prove to everyone how gay he was and how horrible the straight guys were yet they had done nothing or said nothing to him

dont you think its understandable that you get a few jokes made about gays when the majority of people dont meet gays and form opinions by what they see and read in the papers or on tv which are usualy demanding somekind of extra right that no one else is entitled to but they think they should be just because they are gay

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when i said most people dont meet gays i am aware that a lot of people do but dont realise it and to me that is how it shuold be , a persons sexuality is their own buisness so no one needs to know about it from a meggaphone or by waving banners announcing it

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yes i have cracked a few jokes regarding gays but thats because it was a thread about gays , if it had been about asians, chineese,polish,mentaly ill i would have cracked a few jokes there as well , its nothing personal its fun and if you cant laugh at your self then boohoo for you ive seen people with real problems like disfiguring illnesses and make jokes about themselves and people like themselves

i have a friend who has 4 tumours in his brain and 5 tumours in his spine and in a few weeks will loose the use of his lower body after surgery on his spine all at the age of 29 and he can still smile and crack a wheelchair joke allthough he is going to spend the rest of his life in one. there not cancer tumours its a rare disease but non the less hes in worse shape than a gay with hurt feelings

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make sure he doesn 't take a deposit before he fills your crack.

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standard buisness practice..

the customer always comes first ;)

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Quite agree, humour depends on how its meant not the content. Despite whats written in the right wing press ,there is still discrimination legally towards gays. Gay couples don 't have the same rights re: inherintance tax, and income tax in general, even if they' ve been together years. The gay rights lobbies did help change the law re: equal age of consent, & help to decriminalize homosexuality [for men only, over 21,] in 1967- It was never illegal for a woman to want to drive a bus! [joke!] Also gay visibility is good because every one presumes every one is straight unless they are screamingly camp, so most people don' t know they know a gay person, when in fact their hairdresser may in fact be gay!

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In an attempt to get back on thread, how about a bit of positive discrimination in favour of disabled sailors? The warships can hardly be called wheel-chair friendly & those 4.5 inch guns they have should be designed to give some-one in a seated position easier access for loading the shells into the breech block. What about these hatches we hear the Navy having to batten down? Get them fitted with easy action clips so that an amputee can operate them without too much effort. Lets stop discriminating against the physically handicapped before we get all hot & bothered about a few puffs!

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Quite right Willow. I should have thought that we could at least be grateful that anyone should wish to serve in the armed forces and put their lives on the line for all our sakes. I know I am. What they do in their private lives is a matter between them and their conscience and should be nothing to do with anyone else.

God knows, there is enough hate in the world as it is, without wishing to create more by getting sniffy about what people do in bed. Come on people, it's part of life, deal with it and lets move on!

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no lets take the p*ss its more fun.

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lol, the hairdresser quip was a joke [stereo-types & all that.] lts just as likely ur dustman is gay/ bi/ trisexual...... does it really matter? There are so few horses to be frightened nowadays anway does it really matter?

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unless ur a gay horse of course!

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well said i agree you get sick of people always saying you should be politically correct you have to have a laugh now and again.imagine a world where you are perminently watching Ps & Qs

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Having a laugh at other people's expense is one thing, taking the p'''ss and being hurtful just for the sake of it is another.
No-one is perfect we all have different strengths and weaknesses, unfortunately the people that ridicule others for a bit of a laugh don't think there is anything wrong with themselves obviously.

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Could someone please explain the logic in this remark? Or is it because it's written by a woman and as such there is no inherent logic?

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Naughty Tea' having a dig at the weaker sex!:nono8:
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What ever tea leaf!!!:thefinger

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What ever what?

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Just noticed your signature Tealeaf.... hidden subtext there?

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good one never noticed that LOL

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LMAO g78 NICE ONE

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Now, now, tea' don't ask such difficult questions.

By the way I think it fair game to extract the urine from willy woofters (it's got to be prefered to pushing their sh*t back in) it keeps the pressure off us vampires do you realise how many stake & garlic jokes I have to put up with every day?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...tid=2943&stc=1

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LOL I knw the feeling with all the stick I get cause of a footy team i follow,its just not politically correct.PMSL

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If the Navy can't find enough recruits from the general poulation, then they haven't much chance of getting any substantial number from the gays. In any case,the navy has always had a bit of a reputation for nancies ever since I can remember, whether the inference was ever true or not.
As for gays themselves. Well you will always get enough people saying" Oh yes I know some gays, they are very nice people" Which reminds me, I met a necrophiliac once. Yes a very nice guy if ever I met one. Then there were these rapists I came across. Yes very nice guys. Then If I remember correctly, I had occasion to come in contact with three paedophiles. Couldn't ask for nicer people. Then there was this chap I remember who was a beastialty merchant. Gee whiz. A very nice bloke too. Unfortunately, (or whatever adv. you wish to use) they all had one thing in common. Their sexuality was all stuffed up. But very nice people just the same. And surprise suprise , they all felt quite normal. Which is only to be expected otherwise they wouldn't be indulging in their respective philias. It's us hetrosexuals who ought to be thankful for having the sexuality that nature intended in the first place. Do I feel sorry for the others? Yes I do. They all have to cop a lot of s**t. Do I crack jokes about such people? Of course I do. They are just going to have to cope with it just like everybody else has to cope with life the way it is. Does anyone ever invite a gay home for tea because he's a gay or because of the person they are? Think about it.

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Under the new legislation that comes into force later this year, people who enter into gay partnership agreements will have virtually the same rights as married couples, so far as Inheritance Tax, pension provision, etc.

This is more than heterosexual couples living in "common-law marriages" have. In fact, in law, there is no such thing as a common law marriage despite what is generally thought.

This does give gays more rights than the "normal" heterosexual population, who have to get married to get the same rights.

This brings us back to the question of choice. It has always been the case that if you make some life choices, others are barred to you. If you become a nun, you can't get married and have a family. It is your choice. However, the situation now is that people want to make a lifestyle choice which excludes other options, but they want those options as well - homosexual couples want children and equal rights with married couples. The baseline seems to be that they want homosexuality accepted as normality. It isn't. It should be seen as equal but different, and the difference is that there are some things you can't have - like marriage and all its advantages. There is nothing wrong with equal but different, so long as everyone accepts that.

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Yes but a woman can choose to leave a nunnery. Unless you read The Daily Mail, being gay isn't a life style choice, its the same as being born ginger,[joke- ginger beer.] lt is unfair hetro couples aren't to have the same legal rights as gay couples- perhaps they should have an effective political lobby like Stonewall etc.. All discrimination should be fought for & changed.l m just off to light a joss stick now.

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This is a difficult one, whether homosexuality is nature or nurture. There was some talk of a gene for it, but no-one of standing has identified it. There are all sorts of chromosomal abnormalities, like Fragile X Syndrome, but in those cases a person's sexual preference is the smallest part of their problem.

I don't believe that a person is necessarily straight or gay, a lot depends on their experiences and the influences exerted on them at susceptible times - after all, almost everyone has a crush on a same-sex teacher or prefect at school, it's a normal part of sexual development.

And before you ask, yes, I do have a degree in Psychology!

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You are born gay. Simple as. You don't wake up one day and decide to be gay, its just something thats inbuilt in you. There is only one choice to make, you either accept it and live with it or you hide it and live a life of lies.

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I just noticed Tealeaf has now gone and changed his signature. :D

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Whether it is nature or nurture, it does not matter (although I believe its mainly the latter), modern science can deal with it. Half a dozen hourly sessions with these characters tied to a chair watching Homo Porno while at the same time having 10,000 volts discharged via an electrode up their you-know-what will some cure 'em of these tendencies. Done on the NHS, it'll work out cheaper for us all as we'll soon have no need to fork out 10 grand a year in AIDS medication for each and every one of 'em.

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I do not accept that a person is born gay. If that was the case, there would be a definite genetic basis, and there isn't. However, you come back to the point, if you accept it, you must live with it and all its consequences.

The life of lies sometimes seems to mean to have the best of both worlds - there are several well-known cases of men having a wife and a family and then coming out - their choice, but other people's lives are wrecked totally. In any event, if you are truly homosexual, how do you manage to have a family? - if you have no physical desire for the opposite sex, then that would be virtually impossible, but it happens.

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NATURE OR NATURE, its back to what papers you read. lt always makes me laugh that hetrosexuals never admit to choosing their sexuality, its genetic trust me. Except for exceptional circumstances, such as same sex environments, [ such as prisons, boarding schools] where hetrosexuals may seek comfort they wouldn t normally. Just as a gay man may form a sexual relationship if he was banged up in a female prison- same but different.

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In Ancient Greece, it was normal for men to form homosexual relationships before marriage, and then go on to live a normal life. I have heard from male friends that their public schools were hotbeds of homosexuality, but they go on to a normal sex life afterwards. Prisons, the same. If there's nothing else, people (usually men) settle for what they can get. Hence, going back to the original point of the thread "Rum, bum and concertina" in the Navy.

Interesting thought, how a gay man would get banged up in a female prison - most transvestite homosexuals I have seen are not that convincing!

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Garinda you are so right. I mean is there a point where a heterosexual suddenly becomes 'heterosexual'? Nope its considered to be the way they are born, but for a gay person its a 'choice'. Just because theres no genetic proof doesn't mean squat. For years man thought the earth was flat and they were proved wrong. Maybe we just dont know what to look for yet genetic wise. If you are gay you are gay and if you are straight you are straight, it is not a choice. People would not chose to be ridiculed and abused if they didn't have too.

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Hang on, here, ridiculed and abused? - only if you look for it and push your sexuality as the most important thing about you. Yes there are jokes about gay people. There are even more jokes about straight sex - and try Jewish jokes or Irish jokes.

Besides which, genome mapping is very well developed. We are hardly at the flat earth stage on this one.

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Ok so when i was beaten for walking quietly down a street, or when at school i was spat on and verbally abused every day for just being quiet and keeping my head down, that was pushing my sexuality? I never looked for abuse, i was quiet and low key yet my life was made hell..... guess I brought and deserved all that eh?