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A MUSLIM schoolgirl today won her battle to wear her traditional head-to-toe dress in the classroom.The Court of Appeal ruled that her school had acted unlawfully in barring her from wearing the outfit.Shabina Begum, 15, accused teachers and governors of Denbigh High School in Luton of denying her the "right to education and to manifest her religious beliefs".
Lord Justice Brooke called on the Department of Education to give schools more guidance on how to comply with their obligations under the Human Rights Act.
Miss Begum was represented at the appeal court by the Prime Minister's wife Cherie Booth QC.Ms Booth told judges at a hearing last December that the case involved "fundamental issues" about the nature and interpretation of Miss Begum's rights to education and freedom to practice her religion.Last June, High Court judge Mr Justice Bennett dismissed the girl’s
application for judicial review, ruling she had failed to show that the "highly successful" 1,000-pupil school, with 79 per cent of its students Muslims, had excluded her or breached her human rights.
Miss Booth said Mr Justice Bennett was saying that the school, which sent her home after she refused to wear authorised school uniform, was entitled to "pick and choose" which religious beliefs it accepted.After the judgment, Shabina, now 16 and attending a school where the jilbab is allowed, said: "Today’s decision is a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry."

Would we be allowed to send our kids to school with this getup on?

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Political correctness gone mad!
In whatever country your in, you should try & integrate.
50 years time this country could be like Bosnia.

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What do mean in 50 years time.its like that now.

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Just don't get started on this. It's getting to be ******* ridicules in this Country. Who the hell are these people. Go to Iran, Iraq or Syria and try and argue about your religious rights. We’re ****** in this country and if the government doesn’t start to wake up it will end up with a civil war on its hands one day.

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The politicans don't do themseives any favours. lt'll be like Germany in the 30's, people will get fed up, it's happening in Holland. What was traditionally a liberal country is turning to the right.

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When in the Uk they should do as we do, behind closed doors they can do as they like.
If I should ever want to go in a mosque they would want me to take off my shoes, would they let me in if I refused?

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This country is going so downhill. Crap like this makes people vote BNP, and BNP are TOO politicaly incorrect :p

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in france muslims are told to dress in the correct uniform or dont bother turning up an thats how it should be

the idea of a school uniform is so not to seperate people from one another

why is it they are so reluctant to follow standard procedures and cry about religeon and their skin colour when somthing dosnt go their way when other muslims respect the rules and get on with it

if there is a do not walk on the grass sighn these kind of people will deliberatly wwalk on the grass just because it says dont do it

i dare say these people knew the school rules and uniform policies before they sent their child there so they had a choice right there if they wanted to follow the rules they go ahead and if they didnt like the rules they could have looked elswhere

it also says aged 15 so when exactly did she decide the school was been racist , shouldnt there have been somthing said say " in the 1st year " for example

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>> the "right to education and to manifest her religious beliefs".<<

Hey, I have no problem with people manifesting their religious beliefs. But apparently quite a few people in this country do. I am thinking of those upright and oh so politically correct members of our community who deny us the right to "manifest" symbols of the religious traditions of this country, for fear of offending adherents of foreign cults. It is not so long ago that we were discussing the banning of traditional Christmas displays in schools and public areas. I am sure that with Easter fast approaching our PC censors will be sharpening their ideological scissors in eager anticipation of what else they can cut from our culture to sooth the outraged sensibilities of some ethnic minority or other.

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Well said Bob!
Every single festival in the religious calendar seems to offend someone else;my child has no idea why we make a fuss over Halloween but she can draw you a perfect Muslim prayer mat!

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Additionally, one wonders whether this girl actually initiated the court case herself. How many 15 year olds do you know who would have the presence of mind or maturity to take a local education authority all the way to the high court - and win?

It strikes me that she has been used (and financed) to test the law, by people whose aims actually have very little to do with securing her freedom to "manifest her religious beliefs"

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I may be wrong as I don't know the school in question (although I have a feeling that Busman does) but if it's like most schools then the uniform already caters for the muslim standard of body coverage. They are not supposed after a certain age to show bare legs or arms. Well the arms are covered by the blouses and jumpers. In many cases muslim and non-muslim girls wear trousers rather than skirts. This has been the case for quite a few years. Girls have a choice of skirt or trousers and a lot opt for trousers especially in the winter because they are warmer. My daughters wear trousers not due to religious beliefs but because they are more comfortable in them. They are school uniform so there's no problem. So are we simply talking about the headscarf? At some schools the headscarf is accepted and at others it isn't and like you say the family would have been aware of the school's policy on this when they made their choice of school. If they weren't then it was up to them to ask if it mattered so much to them. Hundreds of muslim schoolgirls don't wear the headscarf and don't regard it as an affront to their religion not to do so.

There's got to be some give and take here and I think it's about time those of us who wish to celebrate Christmas and Easter stood up for ourselves and insist that we be treated as equals. The stupid thing is that it isn't muslims or anyone of other religious persuasions who object - it's the narrow minded PC brigade with their "do-gooders" hats on again and they are too blind to see that they are doing more harm than good because they are offending far more people by banning these things than they imagine they would do by permitting them.

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It is interesting that you mentioned your daughter's choice of school uniform, Willow. I agree, trousers are much more practical, decent and warmer. I think that the thing most people miss in this argument is that we are lucky enough to live in a sophisticated western society in the twenty first century. Not in some third world country that is still struggling to move out of the seventh century.

Yet again the question occurs, what is the point in coming to live here if you wish to maintain the standards and modes of behaviour of a pre-industrial society? I don't understand.

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Think you hit the nail on the head there A-B;what's the point of becoming "westernised" to all intents and purposes and yet still clinging to the out dated traditions? How on earth can Muslim girls in the full get-up be expected to fully participate in school life?I am not just talking about sport and the inherent risks in chemistry labs but the integration amongst their peers.I find the full jihab intimidating and and would imagine it is awkward and claustrophobic.

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If it was about Religious Freedom then the girl should be going to an all muslim school as they do in the middle east, she should never be allowed out without her brother, father or uncle and she should never look at a man. As for TV complete no no, as are video games and other forms of stimulation. I noticed on the news (CNN) That she was carring a handbag definate NO NO as she wouldnt need one, no makeup or purse as she cant spend money without permission. Seems like a farce or maybe just another muslim con job.

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if we ever become the minority does anyone here actualy believe they would show us the same consideration

i think not

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Justed watched this story on the news, biggest pile of sh*te i've heard in years, I for one will not go down without a fight than let us become the minority, now i've got that off my chest I feel better.
And for the record the BNP have just got one more vote.

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I lived for a while in Saudi Arabia in the 80s. In the compound where we lived I could wear what I liked. When I went outside the compound I had to cover my arms and legs and to visit the souk I had to wear an abeyah, the long black cloak. I did not have any choice in the matter, it was the Law.

Saudi Arabia professes to respect all religions but, although cards and decorations were on sale at Christmas, the cards only said Happy Holiday because the word Christmas was forbidden, as was Easter and anything else connected with Christianity. I knew a lot of Christian Lebanese. They had an "underground" priest (an engineer in his day job) who said mass illicitly in private homes. Had he been discovered he would have been deported.

I have respect for all Faiths and I would not like my country to treat other religions in that way but I am angered by the way other Faiths are promoted way beyond our traditional Christianity. I believe any schoolgirl, schoolboy, worker or whatever should have to conform to British dress standards for the sake of Health and Safety at the very least. There are occasions when flowing garments are an impediment. I also believe that the promotion of separateness, as typified by traditional modes of dress, is creating a divided nation. This girl would be no less a good Muslim if she wore a school uniform; faith is contained in the heart and mind, not in what we wear.

Just for the record, I don't speak as a biased Christian, Jew or Hindu. I have no religious affinity of my own.

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I'm not to sure about the BNP; I think there is a deferent lack of back bone in all the main line party’s, and there is certainly no democratic choice between them or in Britain other than the likes of the BNP or that idiot that come from UKIP, another national disappointment. I was heartened in my resolve today when following this diabolical the British Government injected another s*** load of tax payers money into Afghanistan, I accept they’ve done it to try and combat the poppy trade but I’m almost certain that the last lot of cash paid for the seed in the first place. I so pleased that the children of the British Serviceman that lost their lives over there are seeing what they actually paid for. An increase in narcotics on British Streets including our own. I hope those Muslims who have gone to the trouble of integrating themselves into our society aren’t offended by what they read in this thread, I’m sure that’s not our intention, but you are out there please understand we are a proud people who have suffered many years of very inapt leadership. There’s no longer any respect for the British in my opinion thanks to the ****s that represent us and our county. Thank God with can trust in those who serve in the armed forces to defend us.

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just seen the footage on the tv of her coming out of court

smug little bitch needs to worry about her lessons and not about what she is allowed to wear.

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There's a slight danger here of going from one extreme to another.

I see no reason why a girl or woman shouldn't be allowed to cover the parts of her body which modesty and her religion dictate should be covered. In our church we have a particular dress standard which means that our girls don't wear short skirts, backless dresses or off the shoulder numbers. What they do wear however doesn't make them stand out glaringly obviously in a crowd, it just has a little more material in it than what some other people have. That doesn't mean we have any objection to other people dressing as they wish either.

I can't see why a muslim girl shouldn't be able to cover the parts of her body she wishes to cover (which is a bit more than our girls as it's all the legs and arms) without it having to be flowing material which may endanger them in certain situations. (Isadora Duncan suddenly came to mind then.)

If I went to a country where the usual form of dress included a bare midriff for instance I wouldn't want to adopt that dress style because it wouldn't comply with my own standards so I can quite understand the wish not to adopt the usual style of western dress with short sleeves and short skirts, but I think I would try to find some kind of happy medium which didn't compromise my dress standards. Does that make sense?

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A cleaner in a school in London took her employer to court recently, because there were nude life drawings displayed in the Art room she was expected to clean. As a Muslim she was offended by this. Happily this time she didn't win.
Incidently she would have been offended by a clothed figure, as you can't show any living thing in Muslim art. They used to draw birds on tiles but if you look closely their throats are cut!

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How can it be right to maintain that a school has a right to impose a uniform code while at the same time maintaining that pupils have a right to disregard it. It makes not one jot of sense.

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Like other people have said, modern school uniforms,[ inc. her school,] allows her to fulfil her religous beleifs.
Don't know if she was backed, and by whom, but spoke quite eloquently after she won. A great advert for a British education!

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NICE POINT

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And while we are at it, how come France get's away with banning muslim girls from wearing headscarves in school? They signed up to exactly the same Human Rights legislation as we did.

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probably got less do goOders in france A-B.

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I think thats true Slinky. They are much more protective of their national identity. For instance they only allow a small amount of American films to be released to protect their film industry.

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And having witnessed a fair amount of French Cinema I can only say it needs all the protection it can get!

But to be fair I really think that the French are right to restrict American cultural imports. I find the prevelance of Amercanisms in everyday speech among the young deeply depressing, though having said that I am probably as guilty of using them as the next person

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Like many people have said before, we would be expected to follow the laws of the lands that we visit or live within, so the same should be expected of the people that come to the UK.

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

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This government is totally one sided it, i for one will not be voting Labour in the next general election. If that makes me racist then i'm sure i'm not on my own.The government is driving us that way.

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Yup,this is only the thin end of the wedge.P.C.was a good idea on paper(so was communism) but now we are going too far to accommodate the outer fringes of our already multi cultural society.
The history of the UK has shown that we have always taken in immigrants to our country,the key factor was always their willingness to embrace our culture(whilst retaining some of their own traditions!)
Italians,Hungarians,Poles have all arrived in this country,some fleeing persecution,they have added to our tapestry of life.
Yet there is an undercurrent of ill will now forming against those who seek to completly change our laws,traditions and general way of life.
When you consider that Cherie Blair was involved in this last fiasco then I think its time to give up.
She as the Prime Minister's wife is supposed to uphold the traditions of our country,not seek to undermine them.(At a cost of £70,000 to the taxpayer)
Let us remember an ethnic minority is just that a minority,let us concentrate on the mainstream and improve all of our lots not just the self seeking,publicity hungry loonies amongst us!!
Rant over....for now.

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Ditto. I won't be voting Labour at all. The Tories are even starting to look appealing.

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Remember the Hippys in the late sixtys early seventies...... there the ones running the country now.

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aparrently this is childish name calling and i was deducted karma ( suprisingly no name left)

i was of course refering to how happy she looked at wasting thousands of tax payers money on legal fees , probably loving the attention and time off school

if you see the footage of her on the courts doorsteps and he big happy smile at what she has achieved the perfect desription of her would be a smug little bitch

shes made a mokery of our legal system and used it to yet again make us look like racists when infact she was asked nothing more of what any other kid was asked to do and wear a damn uniform to school

its funny how slective some muslims are as to which part of their faith they follow it seems the only time they becaome devout muslims is when it can be used to benefit them in some way or other

its just the same as a child wanting to wear jeans at school and finding an excuse to justify why they need to just so that they get their own way

if my religeon was to drink 10 pints of beer a day should i be allowed to drive when drunk because my religeion says i must drink 10 pints of beer a day

the answer is no of course not as everyone else has to drive sober

our govenment provides all muslim schoold for these people but instead of going to them they choose to stay in normal schools and cause as much trouble as possible

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i think goth kids should start turning up at school looking like the adams family and see where they can take that

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if we had long hair that went below the colloar of our blazers we were sent home and told to get a haircut and that was in the 80s

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i got done for wearing a roundneck jumper instead of a v neck in '88. nowadays i'd go to school dressed like a ninja cos you can get away with that.

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and thats a health issue which is more important than any so called claim to religeous beleif

what if she had fainted due to the heat and banged her head

yeah i know its extreme situation and the worst out come but regardless it could still have hapened

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save this thread. kill bliar and all do gooders.

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they should have expelled her for been distruptive to class

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From the pictures of what they are allowed to wear and what she has wasted all this money on fighting to be able to wear, the two don't look that much different.

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I'm sure some people just become teachers for the power trip!

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Thats right pixie. The school had adopted a style of uniform that was totally acceptable to the muslim community and for two years this girl and her parents complied without a problem and I am sure that outside influences are to blame.

Tony Blair must be green with envy, he has tried so hard to lose voters but has been upstaged by his wife who could eventually be the cause of Labour losing the next general election. I will not be tempted to vote for a radical party but will definately give my vote to another party this next term.

After the court case, the school was left with a legal bill for, I believe £30.000-00 I know this school as it is in the area I moved from a while back and like most schools and education authorities, it is a bill they can ill afford.

I am sure cherie blair is so proud of herself tonight but the rest of the country feels gutted!

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is it just me or does anyone else see that muslims dont like the idea of segregation yet some do as much as they possibly can to segregate themselves from us

ime not saying they shouldnt be muslims i dont give a damn what god they worship but if you come into a country or are born in a country you should live by that countries ways or get the hell out

there must be plenty of room in pakistan for them to go as we have been taking them in for years

not saying they should all go but if they are having so much trouble fitting in and cant respect our ways why dont they go where their ways are the norm and live in peace with themselves and stop whining and crying about living under such cruel and harsh conditions we set out here in the uk

what would happen if i had a doughter and sent her to an all muslim school in a short skirt and earings etc , would i win a court case or would i be seen as a trouble maker

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True, you don't get many muslims emmigrating to Saudia Arabia. lt's a massive country, and the birthplace of Mohamed is there. Strange why they should choose here, and excpect us to addapt to them! Nothing to do with Welfare State, l suppose?

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inians are muslims too but they dont seem to kick up half the fuss pakistanis do yet they share the same faith

i dont know if this girl is a pakistani or indian but my moneys on pakistani because in general indians appear to be more willing to just get on with their lives and accept that our ways are different

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I don't know how true this is, but I heard rumours that they have handbooks in places like India and Pakistan on how to claim UK State Benefits.

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I think that the biggest difference between Muslims and the western world is that in the U.K, religion is mostly a private matter for the individual whereas Muslims style their life on their beliefs so it affects almost everything they do on a daily basis.


I agree with chav on the segregation issue but also consider that when Brits emigrate, they tend to look for a "British Quarter" to settle down in, much like the Jewish, Irish and Afro-Carrabean population in this country so it is not surprising to find that Asians also group together within their own community.

As for them coming here, THAT is down to our ancesters!! We were the so-called civilised race that decided to take over India and Pakistan in the first place, perhaps they are merely doing now to us what we done to them in the past.

Perhaps a reminder about now might be in order in that many if not most Asians in this country are here legally and are doing their best to intigrate. We are (or should be) talking about the few hard line Muslims that are doing their best to change the countries fundimental principles to their own benefit by taking advantage of idiots like Blairs wife:(

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CAT AMONGST THE PIGEONS!
Did anybody see the Channel 4 documentary last year where Asian men in Yorkshire, groomed young white girls for prostitution? lt was originally delayed from airing, so as not to upset the local elections.

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In the late 60's, a law was brought in for compulsory wearing of crash helmets on motorbikes. At the time, I rode a bike and resented being forced to wear a helmet.
An Indian took on the government after being stopped on a bike wearing a turban...he won the case on religious grounds.

This is the earliest case that I can remember that infuriated me and made me aware of the racial differences and what seemed like "priveleges" given out to a minority.

(...and no, they don't share the same faith)

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i put myself down as jedi knight under religeon at the last census

should my child be allowed to go to school dressed in jedi robes and yeild a plastic lightsaber and have £30,000 of tax payers money spent to defend his right to do so

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Well the census recognises your faith so I suppose that it might be possible to insist on it. but think of the ribbing your child will get while at school.

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But to come back to the point at issue for a moment, I still cannot see why we are pandering to this particular minority to such an extent when we have not done so with any other minority at any other time. What makes them so special that it is considered necessary to change the law to accomodate all their fads and fancies?

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then the european courts can award my cild a large amount of cash for the schools failour to protect my child and acomadate his beliefs :D

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It would be interesting to see the law tested in this area. Go on then Chav, I dare you!

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4 years until scool age unfortunatly :(

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What about Nursery?

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Although judging by the way things are going, by the time that your child gets to school Islam will be the state religion and you will have to wrap it from head to toe anyway.

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because labour want to keep the muslim vote

jack straw for instance will take any opportunity he can to be photed with a muslim their comunity love him and all the help he gets them in blackburn infact i think he would turn up to open a tin of beans as long as a muslim owned the tin of beans in question

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l think the majority of people have no problem with recent, legal immigrants,[or their need for a social ghetto- Brits do it in Spain, or wherever, with line dancing,& domino clubs.] After all, we as a nation are a bastardized mix of many nationalities. lt's the fact the Government bends over backwards, [yes for votes,] ignoring the fact that the majority of people like our heritage, and would like to keep it intact as possible.

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I noted today the news that the girl in question has family connections with the extreme organisation HIZB UT TAHRIR who's aim is to create a world wide Islamic state.
This group is banned in many countries and its leader militant cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed is currently under investigation for urging British Muslims to become suicide bombers.
We as a nation really are a soft touch,we pay to undermine our own traditions and principles,what other country does this?
Certainly none of the Muslim countries do.
The time will surely come when the present silent majority will say enough and seek to re establish a truely fair minded society,not one that is running scared of the threat of being declared Racist!

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I thought at the outset that she was being used.

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That's a bit of egg on the face for the Blairs, isn't it?!

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I shouldn't think that it bothers them at all. They have enough money to live where they choose and do not need to have to live with the consequences of their actions.

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Hopefully they will when it comes to election day

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please refrain from exorcising your right of freedom of speech

its teh labour thing to do :rolleyes:

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well if you had all joined in my revolution yesterday. see the thread about the royals. we'd be in downing street now having tea and biscuits and making life changing and irrelavant descisions.

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thursday is not a good day for me but ime free a week on tuesday :)

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[QUOTE]thursday is not a good day for me but ime free a week on tuesday

good a week on tuesday it is then. vive la revolution.........

right where's that pitchfork again

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Hehehe...Busman .. I remember a friend of mine in the late 80's regularly going along with us for long motorbike rides round manchester/cheshire with a darkened face and a large towel wrapped round his head, and no helmet. on a GS1000.......:)

Was he racist????

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Aren't Pakistan and India separate countries because they have different religions?

It's also a mistake to assume that all muslims in this country are from Pakistan, or that the only countries in that part of the world are India and Pakistan. It just illustrates how naive we can be, often assuming that all speak the same language too.

But to get back to the theme of this thread. I was told that the Headmistress of the school is herself a muslim. Obviously she has no problem with the uniform specifications.

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ime pretty sure india is a muslim state i will ask my indian friends when we next speak

religeon and faith never come up when we talk because our friendship dosnt revolve around it and i have never felt the need to ask what their faith is

usual talk about pcs , xbox etc

the important stuff :D

was the scools head mistress in court as the best defece would have been another muslim saying that there was no problem and the child should obey the rules like the majority of muslims do

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Chav,
you're a plonker, mate. The main religion in India is Hindu; then there are the Sikhs, and then smaller minorities of Muslims and Christians. Not many jews,as far as I'm aware.

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well i stand corrected lol

but i do maintain my belief that indians intergrate more willingly and dont cause half the trouble pakistanis seem to

that observation was made fro what i see personaly and what i read and see on the news not because i am a racist although i will admit i am sick to the back teeth on how far govenment will go to pacify a so called minority

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I think what you are observing is the fact that hinduism or the followers thereof are not particularly forceful and some muslims are in putting over the tenets of their religion and are quite willing to tolerate as equal any other religion that happens to be alongside of them, including what is nominally the main religion of the host country. This may account for the fact that you aren't even aware that they are hindus. Do the women wear a sari? No muslim woman would wear a sari.

Some, and I emphasise some not all, muslims are more of the belief that they alone are right and that consequently everyone else is wrong and that we should either follow their religion or at the very least comply with the standards it sets. (Not that a lot of their standards wouldn't probably do some people the world of good)

It's not a racial thing and it's not a national identity thing. It's more of a die-hard fundamentalist thing.

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>>Chav,
you're a plonker, mate. <<

I would like to echo Tealeafs sentiments in this matter. At the end of the second world war when the Attlee Government (Labour's 1st.) decided that we no longer needed an Empire, India was to be given it's independence first. But because the majority Hindu inhabitants could not stomach the idea of sharing their country with muslims and the muslims would not contemplate the idea of sharing power with Hindu's the country had to be partitioned. And thus the separate state of Pakistan was created. The loss of life in the rioting that followed partion was horrific! Today, India and Pakistan are still at Daggers Drawn over the disputed Indian state of Kashmir. You may have heard mention of this in the news last summer when the two were about to go to war over it. Which is worrying for the entire region since both states posess nuclear weapons. Typically, they cannot feed everyone but they can afford nuclear weapons.

Part of the reason why we are inundated with immigrants from the asian sub-continent is that the Attlee Government, to stifle objections to the end of British rule in India, decided to offer passports to whoever wanted them, along with right of residence here in the UK. They hoped that most of those passports would never be used since travel halfway across the world was pretty expensive in 1947. They also hoped that the lower life expectancy in India would mean that by the time travel became cheaper most of the passport holders would either be too old to travel or dead. How wrong they were.

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well written but i said that in my opinion indians seem to intergrate into our society better than pakistanis

granted i got indias faith wrong but what they did over there with each other or whatever problems they have with each other was not brought in question at least by me anyway

hey dont take it the wrong way i dont mind when people correct me or prove me wrong but call me a plonker for somthing i said at least lol

i honestly thought they were a muslim nation and pakistan and india hated each other because of different opinions on the readings of the muslim faith

turns out i was wrong about that :o

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By way of information, if anyone wishes to read a pack of lies on the root causes of the Asian influx in the 1950's and 60's then they need go no further than the Blackburn cotton town site. Here, I'll make it easy:

http://www.cottontown.org/page.cfm?L...ng&pageID=1675

This site cost a cool quarter of a million, and for that amount of dosh one would expect a reasonable attempt at historical accuracy. Instead, we have a complete rewriting (I do not think the word whitewash is appropriate) of the facts. Judge for yourself.

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younger people who read that will believe it though as they wernt around to experience it happening

good job we still got some oldies ( excuse the terminioligy) that can set the record right but eventualy the white wash will end up been the common beleif of trueness as time moves on and theres no one left who can say hold on thats not right

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I may be digressing but can anyone explain the growing trend for British citizens to be buried in Pakistan ? It seems to be becoming evermore common to read in the local newspapers of people born in England choosing interment in this distant middle eastern country.
I can imagine the article on page four of the Accrington Observer.
Mr. T. Leaf died last Wednesday in Church. His bodied was flown to Pakistan for burial in Rawalpindi.

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No - send him north to Gilgit!

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This girl is now suing for 'lost educational opportunities'....excuse me, but was'nt she transferred to another school. And wasn't Cherie Blairs legal group partly responsible for this girl being facilitated to bring this case?????

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum!

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Enoch was right......not racist!

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When they come for us Margaret. We'll stand together.

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Well said Margaret, I am a racist and I hate muslims, I just wish a few more of the people posting on this thread would be as honest.

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I’m not a racist Bagpuss. I’m happy to embrace anyone of any colour, religion or culture, but when these people come to this country they should respect our pre goody, goody lets be gay, multi cultural bull**** political correctness laws. Respect our 1800 year old Christian Culture. Our People, and traditions and Heritage. Enoch Powell was out of step and before is time. Where is he now and who in British Anglo Saxon politics has the balls to stand up and lead where he left off.

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Well said Doug.

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Sorry bagpuss, but I for one will not stand with you on this one although I respect your views and your bravery for saying them.

I am still of an opinion that it is a very small minority of muslims that are causing the unrest along with the P.C.Brigade. We are on the first step towards anarchy, civil war or some other disaster that will destroy homes and families. I hope not to be around by then but my children will:(

This minority are causing massive unrest while the pc brigade are causing frustration...It can only get worse!....and those who will suffer most are the Christian and Muslim families that just want to get on with their lives.

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when the media shows so many negative things done by muslims is it realy any wonder people paint them with the same brush

every time you turn on the news theres storys like these ..

muslim extremists slaughter U.S citizens in the street and set fire to them whilst been dragged by a car then hung on a bridge with hundreds of people cheering in the streets at it

muslim extremists behead uk citizen

muslim gets X - amount of pounds for feeling picked on

muslim leader preeches in uk streets to kill all christians/infadils

UK muslim go to help fight for aquiad

yes i agree not all muslims are evil but you realy cant blame people for developing a strong resentment towards muslims when we are bombarded with stories like these in the news papers and T.V on a reglar basis

the muslim faith isnt the problem , the problem is those that use religeon to justify their actions or use it to meet their own gains

dont be too hard on bagpuss my guess is like many of us hes fed up of all the preference given to people just because of their religeion or colour of their skin and exploded

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quick question.

how did an ordinary school girl get cheri blair as her solicitor if that was what her role in this was , my guess is it was a P.R opportunity that has backfired on the labour party big time

unless of course she comes from a wealthy family as ime sure i wouldnt get her on legal aid if i ever needed a solicitor

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people get so caught up in the outrage of the trial that whos responsible for it usualy gets overlooked

that question only popped in my mind as i was typing that reply when realy it should have been asked right from the start

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No one is being hard on bagpuss, he is stating the facts as he sees it..... I notice that you used the word "extremist" a few times in your last comment, that is good! It shows that at the back of your mind, you understand that the majority of Muslims are not to blame. (I hope)

A few decades ago, there was an outfit called the Klu Klux Klan in the U.S.A. that were a MINORITY but managed to raise issues in congress regarding blacks living as "freemen" and done their best to persuade the nation to "kill" negroes as and when!!!!

THESE WERE "WHITE" MEN!!!! (O.K, Caucasian) that persecuted blacks...

We ("great?) Britain overtook Asian Countries and DEMANDED that they conform to the western way of life,

What the EXTREMIST Muslims are doing is wrong BUT! it is no different to what we were doing 100/200 years ago!

We have an enemy in our camp...and it is NOT the Muslims, IT IS THE P.C. Brigade!!!!!! If a party was formed that would put a stop to right wing attitudes and give a raised finger to european rights, I would vote for them every time!

I do not want to see the Asian element excluded from our democracy...but I DO want to see court decisions made with regard to the English way of life rather than pandering to a minority group that is backed by European law............

Which brings me back to left-wing idiots, The French have got it right, they have a large Black/Asian population but insist that "they are welcome...but!" Forget "human rights" they insist (quite rightly) that ALL immigrants conform to the French way of living or else are deported over the channel!!

I have a suggestion, Why don't we send Cherie Blair over to France to fight for the right of immigrants to stay in France??....except she would tell everyone that England is so much better:o

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wow

what a thread... i honestly didnt think this topic wud take off in such a way on accy web but its cool :)

time for my two cents if thats ok with y'all...

Firstly i think its pathetic that this case was even able to reach the courts. shocking. the school was more than willing to accomadate her and her needs. you would be surprised how many muslims think this case is a joke.

a few background details i think accy web wud b very interested to know about

the blairs were hoping this would be a good Google Page Ranking to attract back the asian vote after the iraq debacle shud the public opinion swing the right way - alas it did not.

the girl herself isnt a member of that extremeist group but has ppl close to her who do. y the blairs allowed them to get attatched to this case is still beyond me. i would've thought they would've done their homework before accepting this case. esp where the extremist group was quite active.

as for the courts - they are a joke. the head teacher of the school - a muslim - the meals at lunch from a muslim company - they were one of the first schools in the uk to allow asian clothing - they were one of the first to consult wiht the muslim uk council as to dress code and get their stamp of approval that the food was suitable for muslims. they were one of the first non-muslim schools to allow prayer times for students. why didnt the courts take this into consideration??

i smell something burning and it just isnt the school meals...

india btw has about as many muslims as pakistan - the rank in numbers is hindu, muslims then quite a way back sikhs and christians. i dont think judaism is a religion that took off there..

her post-court speech was just immensly humourous to me - where the hell she was tryin to make links i do not know - but that shows that she was a tool for ppl behind the scenes to bring those issues up. and it wudnt b that hard wiht a girl as such. 15 yr old, very impressionable (we all know how peer pressure can affect ANY 15 yr old), she's an orphan - no parents to guide her (there wud b no chance in hell she wud b able to do half the things she has done otherwise) along comes a religious group that makes her feel comfortable with and convinces her its the right thing.

for the ppl who are worked up by this - i dont blame u - it is british PC gone drastically wrong. the only ppl who wud've made a hoo haa if this hadnt gone this way wud've been the ppl backing her.

i wish i was 14 and a jedi rite now...

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ooooooh one point i forgot to say...

i regulary visit an asian website that aimed for the brit asian. and i'm just going to cut and paste a few comments from there.

I don't agree with the decision - i share gezzer's views.
Her access to education was not denied and nor was she discriminated against for her religious beliefs.
We're becoming too PC :| And her statement is just latching onto a bandwagon as well.

denbigh high skool is an award winning skool for their multiculturism..
it jus seems sum ppl aint eva happy with what they have got

Why is that every other pupil in the school (muslim) didnt make a fuss and were able to continue with their religous obligation in other forms of muslim dress? This blatant 'look at me look at me Im being discriminated because of 9-11' attitude is no good for muslim/non muslim relations.
Talk about mountain a mountain out of a f*cking sand grain.

if she didnt like the rules of a particular school, she should have just chosen one where they comply to her wishes.. I.E. THE ONE SHE IS AT NOW !!!
that way, she would have got an education instead of wasting her time fighting a pointless battle.. ok, she won the right to wear her jilbab.. but will that bring back THE MOST IMPORTANT YEARS OF HER EDUCATIOMAL LIFE ?! NO!!!
lolol, do u think anyone would want to hire a troublemaker, who cries islam at everything.. not really.. what a fool ..
its like going to a party where everyone is being served jelly and DEMANDING that you get cake instead.. its not the done thing.. in fact, its rude..
its also like the whingy ppl who complain when they get rejected for a job outright and scream racism..
so bloody what ?!.. there are other schools out there...the world is a tough place and sometimes you have to make sacrifices to get what you want..
in her place, she should have chosen the other school to begin with..


"if a white person had gone to saudi and done the same thing but in reverse - wore a skirt - wud they have shown hte same tolerence in court"
Good point!! In Saudi she probably would have had her legs chopped off before now. See with these people it's always a one way street, whatever suits their purpose.
Miss Begum is a hypocrite as well as all of the racist d*ckheads at HUT.
Unfortunately parts of the anglo public will start to label all asians based upon her actions. Thinking we can get away with anything in their country.






all those comments were taken from a website i've been on for about 3-4 years now and i know the ppl personally who said them and they're all muslim. which shows that frustration at this case isnt just from one side...