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should it be legal to name and shame convicted child abusers and put up posters naming and shaming them

i ask this in the light of the jackson case because if his trial can be reported on in great detail whats the difference between watching reports on his trial and naming and shaming a convicted child molester

i wish there was a website where you could name and same these people

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Yes they should be named mainly for the safety of children when the pervert is released after a cpl of years and gets out on good behaviour . Plus which ever poor child has been assaulted will be scarred mentally for life so why should the pervert be able to walk free and start a new life ?
Michael Jackson should never have been allowed to pay that kid off back in 92 i think it was . If anything it made it look like he d bought his innocense

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the law is pathetic as it stands i could end up in jail longer than a man who raped a child if i named and shamed him

meanwhile he would be free to walk past schools and scout his next victim

they say child rapists arnt allowed near schools but as we are not allowed to put warning posters up etc how do we know when one is hanging around school yards

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l don't know what the answer is. A coupe of years ago The News of the World, printed photos of child abusers. The only trouble was that innocent people who fitted the photos, & descriptions were attacked by mobs in some parts of the country.
The polce always say that they, the abusers, would go underground, if the sex register was available ot the general public, and children would be at more risk.
Stanley Cook was convicted of abusing and killing a child yet was released after 9 years, this l find totally, and utterly ludicrous. Ronnie Biggs, robs a train and is still imprisoned now as he dies! Justice?

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That should be definately!!!!

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As the victim of abuse at the hands of parents and friends of the family I'd like to stick my two pennorth in here. But before I begin let me say that I don't want anyone's sympathy, I have no use for it.


I am sorry to have to say this but your pathetically ineffectual macho posturing is almost as offensive and hurtful as the original assaults. I am sick to the back teeth with all the hysteria surrounding this subject, whipped up by the tabloid media and perpetuated by people who are unable to think for themselves. I can fully appreciate that parents may be anxious about the safety of their children, especially when one considers what might happen, but the remedy for such fears is simple; take greater care of them! Know were they are and who they are with - at all times! Give up some of your precious time and effort to monitor who they are communicating with. Children are not playthings or fashion accessories to be dumped in front of the electronic nanny when they get tiresome, or didn’t your parents teach you that?

There can be no argument that it is not wrong for an adult to use a child for sexual gratification, just as there can be no argument that such individuals should not suffer the full penalty of the law on conviction. Living as we do, in a Country which according to the census describes itself as 70% Christian, places ethical obligations upon us. Firstly, we are required to forgive the transgressor, Secondly we are required to permit the transgressor to get on with his life once he has shown remorse and made some form of restitution or recompense. And that should be an end of it!

But it seems that there are sections of our society who take a perverse pleasure in wallowing in the misery of others. Just as there appears to be a section of society who are determined to be victims, even in the absence of any crime.

As for the walking wounded, the vast majority of us would much prefer to be left in peace, to try and forget and to get on with our lives. It helps no one to have this sort of reminder stuffed in your face day after day.

If you are determined to root out this modern scourge, perhaps it would be helpful to bear in mind that most child abuse happens in the home or at the hands of family friends. Perhaps that would be a better place to begin your purge rather than congregating at school gates threatening to lynch anyone of even a vaguely male gender.

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Very well said, most abuse happens in the home, by people who are supposed to love and care, and no one ever sees it. Hysteria doesn't save any child from suffering.

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Stanley Cook was convicted of abusing and killing a child yet was released after 9 years, this l find totally, and utterly ludicrous. Ronnie Biggs, robs a train and is still imprisoned now as he dies! Justice?[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, but MONEY was involved in the latter. And we all ( ? ) know that the Financial Mafias rule the world.

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Igot a better idea then, to stop mistaken identity. TATTOO IT ON THE PERVES HEAD, then we can say to our kids '' you see that man with the words 'dirty b'''''rd ' tattooed on his head? stop away from him!!

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Would you like to explain just how would it have helped me to have had my parents tattooed in such a way?

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The only problem with that one Slinky is that sometimes people are later proved innocent and then they would have been branded for life.

I know that most child abuse is carried out by someone known to the family or a member of the family but that doesn't stop people worrying about "the weird guy down the road who invites young girls into his house"

I hear what you're saying A-b about keeping an eye on your children and knowing where they are at all times but I've got one at Springhill and one at Moorhead and I can't be at both places when they each come out of school. I have to trust that they can make their way safely home. They have enough sense not to speak to or accept lifts from anyone they don't know, or for that matter to accept sweets or anything else (which could be drugs). We can't wrap our children in cotton wool all the time. They have to live in the real world and they have to learn to be independent when they grow up.

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No offence, but the abuser wouldn't have lived long enough to harm another child. What about poor jessica and holly? they were on the way to her grandmothers house, their parents were told where they were going! and thought everything was fine, how wrong. Then you get the goverment making sure that MAXINE CARR'S identity is as sealed as a ducks a"". No it's wrong, she will get to live in peace now...............what about the girls?? what about the family?? will they ever live in peace??.

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Hang on a minute. Maxine Carr wasn't convicted of child abuse. She was just dim enough to think her boyfriend was innocent. Yes she did wrong in giving him an alibi but she has paid the price for that and should now be able to make a new start. The fact that a load of money has been spent on protecting her identity is because of the things people would like to do to her because they can't do it to him.

Would attacking her actually ease the suffering of the children's families? Would it actually do any good?

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Do a poll on this one and see?? because I bet i'm not in a minority on this one. And as for would it do any good beating her up or would people feel better, Can't answer that, but would be able to if I ever come face to face with her.

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But then again probably not a good idea to name and shame in this country, it would cost too much. Because they would name and shame them then put them into hiding too, because do gooders are more hell bent on protecting the pedophiles and leaving the kids to fend for themselves.

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>> what about the girls?? what about the family?? will they ever live in peace??<<

Clearly not, as long as there are people like you who insist on compounding their misery by incessantly harping on about it.

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Oh BOB it's happened in my family too............it's happened in nearly every family, and if there was more people like ME!! I think the numbers would dwindle because I am not affraid to voice my opinion on the matter and will always stand up for what I believe in. So yeah lets brush it all under the carpet and pretend it never happened in my family too eh? no I don't think so people have to realise this happens more times than people realise but ''people don't want to talk about it''.

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While I agree with some of the points you have made, I cannot agree with the part I have used here.

If I found out that anyone had done anything to my children, there would be no forgiveness. How can you forgive anyone who would do something like that to your children? They are not in a position to refuse, and even if they did, an adult's strength is far more than that of a child.

I understand that a lot of victims want to forget and get on with their lives, but for the sake of the safety of our children, we can't just sweep things like this under the carpet.

However painful it may be, people need to know that these things happen, and a spell in prison won't change someone's sexual appetite (for want of a better word).

How many times have you heard about sex offenders who serve time and go and do the same thing again?

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Ahhh, that's more like it! Now that we have dispensed with the tabloid phraseology we can perhaps have a reasoned and sensible discussion.

Nobody is suggesting that that we should all pretend it doesn't happen or that it should be brushed under the carpet. it is far too serious a problem for that. But I do think that a lot of abuse take place because of the way that we order our society. One of the things that you find rarely discussed when this matter comes up is what are the motivating factors in abuse, particularly in that committed by family members.

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Would attacking her actually ease the suffering of the children's families? Would it actually do any good?[/QUOTE]
If it was your child then im sure you d be after her blood and anyone else who had the slightest involvement . I personally think them bulger killers should never have been released . They might have been young at the time but they have to be mentally unstable in the first place and now they are free to live a new life and put it behind them pity jamie bulgers parents will never be able to . I d hunt them down for the rest of my life

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Agreed!! I have no Idea why this happens A-B, I would say I wish I knew why it happens, but then I would have the mind of a pervert would'nt I?
Is it power/ control freaks I don't know to be honest why they do it and what sick kicks they get out of it, it disgustes me no end and makes me feel sick thinking about it. Children are such inocent little things, who gives anyone the right to tamper with this. SICK!!

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If it was your child then im sure you d be after her blood and anyone else who had the slightest involvement . I personally think them bulger killers should never have been released . They might have been young at the time but they have to be mentally unstable in the first place and now they are free to live a new life and put it behind them pity jamie bulgers parents will never be able to . I d hunt them down for the rest of my life [/QUOTE]
Rabbit speaking as a mother.......DAMN RIGHT. It is a mothers instinct to protect her kids no matter how much.. right til the end, it isn't something we can control, it is just there. Nature intended us to have it, and if anyone EVER hurt one of my children, Damn right for the rest of my living days I would be after blood!!

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But, like it or not, that is what Christianity insists that we must do, the prime example being Christ's own words on the cross.

Because none of us are perfect, we are all capable of making mistakes. Most of us are able to regonise our actions as wrong and are willing to express remorse and a determination not to make the same mistake again. In such cases I really do not see a problem with offering the offender a second chance and the opportunity to take part in society again.

The major problem, as I see it, is in dealing with people who go beyond the pale and express no remorse for their actions or who do not recognise the need to express remorse, and in this respect the case of Sydney Cooper has been raised.

If the test of whether a person is fit to rejoin society or not is the sincere expression of remorse, then Cooper would still be locked up.

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As I hear what you are saying A-B, my own feelings are very much different to Gods and thats why I am not god. If someone hurt or ever abused one of my children, I could not forget, I could not forgive, and yes given the chance I would kill them and happily do time for it. Even if they applogised ever hour of every day it still does not hide the fact that the thoughts were in the persons head in the first place. You cannot change who you are so how can they find children appealing one day (that sickens me to actually type that) and not the next, what changes?? Persoanlly I think it is always their!! LURKING in the back of the mind how ever much they say they are sorry and would never do it again!! til one day they have the urge again.

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Not being a parent myself it is not easy to answer this one, but I would generally agree that a simple prison sentence would not suffice, no matter how long it was. But then as an agrieved parent I can see that my judgement on the matter might be skewed.
This by no means would permit the rest of society to indulge in a witch hunt on my behalf, nor would it justify it. Indeed I would expect society to act as a brake on any natural impulse for vengeance, not to take the misfortune as a cue to gather in the streets baying for blood.

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Christianity can insist what it likes.

Remorse after the event is all very well, but the offender can carry on with his/her life as normal. The victim has to live with the consequences, and may never fully recover.

The safety and wellbeing of my children matters more to me than life itself, and I am sure that a lot of parents would feel the same way.

If someone harmed my children in any way, they would do well to stay well away from me

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Make that a room full of parents Rabbit and I will agree with you.

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I'm not arguing for Christianity, Vorlon. Merely attempting to point out the basic hypocracy of a society which calls itself Christian and yet cannot apply the religion's most fundamental tennet. Speaking as a victim, at the time I was not interested in retribution legal or otherwise - I just wanted it not to have happened and was vaguely worried that I might have been somehow responsible for it in the first place.

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The bible says an eye for an eye, so to me it's saying seek out revenge. Which all parents would do, i don't have children but if someone was to harm my sisters children or grandchildren then i would be right there with her doing what i could.

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YES I agree, my own children come before anyone, absolutly anyone even myself. But if someone were to touch any of my nieces or nephews damn right I would want blood for that too. Think the old saying goes ''you mess with one you mess with us all'' and my family have always stood by this, you look after each other because no-one will do it for you.

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I don't know of anyone, Christian or otherwise, who would forgive the person who did something like that to their kids. I also feel that there would be something wrong with them if they did.

Maybe it's just as well I am not a Christian.

Which is why this should not be swept under the carpet. There are people all over the world who feel the same as you did, and making things like this public may give some children the impetus to speak out, where they may not normally have the courage to do so.

They need to be educated to speak out if someone does something to them that makes them feel uncomfortable, and making them aware that there are other people who have suffered in the same way that they have will (I believe) make them feel less isolated

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Right from being very little I have always made it very clear to my kids that if they are ever worried about ANYTHING,ANYTHING AT ALL then they should come straight to me and tell me, I will never be mad at them or angry but they should tell me. I have taught my kids to be very open about there feelings anyway and never to hide things, they also know mum is a friend aswell as mum and we talk on friendly levels aswell because sometimes it's not as embarrasing to talk to a friend figure as a mum figure

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not sure in one way yes but in the other no

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what was that the reply to??

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ok A-B you have a different prespective than us because you have been a victim of your parents and although they did horrible things they are your parents and you love them no matter what they did the same way a parent would love their child no matter what they did and no matter how much dissapointment and heartbreak they caused

but heres an example for you to think about

a baby sitter trusted by the family and with recomendations from other people he has baby sitted for molests and rapes a 2 year old and a 5 year old

the pervert gets 5 years but serves only 2.5 years

by the time he is released the children move away to start a new life but he is now free to walk the streets and prey on other children

should he be allowed to walk freely amongst us and our children as we all know that over 90% of child molestors re offend

at the very least they should be castrated

anyone that has the capacity to rape a child is a mennace to society and we should be allowed to know who is a danger to our children

i would hate to turn up to school to pick my child up to find he had been dragged off in a car by a pervert just realeased from jail

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Glad someone else agree's that these b''''''s should be hurt BADLY.

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i would like to point out that i agree that victims identitys shoudl be protected and their feelings considered but somthing realy does need to be done so that the public is aware of who has done what and what kind of danger they pose

i did not make this post as somone paranoid or caught up in the hype of the media i wrote it as a concerned parent as to how many of these people freely walk down our streets where our children play etc

many times these people get released back into their home towns so imagine how a child would feel when suddenly finding themselves face to face with their attacker in the street

as a parent i want the right to know if these people are near my children and i dont see why my childs safety should be put at risk just to prevent a pervert from getting a good kicking which he or she truely deserves

perhaps if we hung them instead of jailing them there would be no need to worry about what they do after been released

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I totally agree with you Slinky, if anybody harmed any of my nearest and dearest, l'd do the same as you. Which is sad really, because doing that won't take away whats happened to them, and just when they need us most, we'd be banged up.

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there are too many rights for the guilty and not enough for the victims and the innocent

a pervert has more rights when released than his victim

how would you explain to a 5 year old that daddy cant make the nasty man go away

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Yes but how would you explain to a child their Daddy has been executed/castrared only to find out years later he was innocent?

Doesn't happen? British justice?

Ask the Birmingham 5.

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usualy theres forensic evidence these days so in the cases where semen was found in a young childs parts then ime all for public execution

the birmingham 5 were suspected bombers and had chemicals found in explosives on them so they wer eunfortunate at the time

semen and other body fluids , fibers etc are uniqe to one individual so theres no way there can be a mix up there

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Child abuse doesn't always include semen, lots of abuse could still yeild no DNA, therefore innocent people will be found guilty as well as the guilty.


Bit strange to say 'sex pest' in thread title, belittles a very sereious issue.

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not realy i dont see anyone making light heart or jokes about it i could just have easily put nonces , pedos and many other names used to describe these scum

i used sex pest because its what i call them nothing more nothing less

i dont think the thread title is a bad one as it obviously attracted much attention and many serious points have been put across and a good mannered debate has taken place

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But that always happens in society.

If capital punishment was still carried out in this country, there would be a lot less crime; wouldn't the potential loss of a favourite body part deter you from doing something?

Prison doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent; maybe more drastic measures are needed

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In my humble opinion child abuse affects all families at one point or another and too different degrees. Innocent people being found guilty? More guilty people 'get away' with this crime on a technicality than innocent people being found guilty, shouldn't that be our main concern!

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that is very true god point.

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Wouldn't castration cause further problems though. Think of the resentment the castratee would feel towards the cause of his predicament. I think you would end up with many more murdered children than is now the case.

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But the cause of his predicament is his own making.

If he had left the kid alone in the first place it wouldn't have happened

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Peado's are predators so it doesn't matter if you know were they are and who they are speaking with every second of their waking day, if a peado wants to get at your child the chances are they probably will will

In family situations they make themselves a trusted friend of the family and has Slinky has stated our family was affected by this type of 'friend' and believe me they are very convincing.

A parent can never be excused for for this crime against their child,.

Yes people should be named as this is the only way parents can be aware of who is around their children.

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But people don't think like that, do they. If you knew the likely consequence would be castration or hanging if you were caught wouldn't you be more likley to top your victim to stop them telling anyone?

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How can you say it affects all families? That's a very sweeping statement. It hasn't affected my family.

Of course I am very pro my own children and if anyone did anything to hurt them it would hurt me. When my daughter was accidentally injured I felt anger towards the car driver. (more so when she claimed she was only doing 20mph and that my daughter ran in front of her but that's a thread wander) and no doubt if either of them were raped words wouldn't begin to describe how I would feel. If the attacker then only received a short prison sentence and was released back into the neighbourhood I'd not be at all pleased and I would certainly make sure everyone knew who he was and what he'd done.

I don't believe that would give me the right to do anything to him in retaliation however. That would put me in the wrong and what would be gained by that? My children wouldn't be helped by it and as someone else said, I'd probably end up in prison and so deprive them of the person they most needed. Where is the sense in that?

Initially I was referring to the attitude shown by some towards Maxine Carr because she didn't actually harm a child herself and to be baying for her blood is just not acceptable to me. She was stupid and naive yes, but she wasn't a child molestor or killer. That was her boyfriend and I believe he is paying the price.

If the school had been aware that he'd had previous tendencies would it have changed anything? Would he have found another way of preying on children? There are two different sorts of problem. Abuse within the family which is not likely to affect anyone outside of the family, and serial paedophiles who will repeatedly seek out young children to sexually abuse. Somehow we need to safeguard our children against the latter when they are released back into society because what is going to stop them doing it again? How do we protect children in family cases? I have no idea.

Have you seen the news item today where a convicted paedophile has £5,500 damages for stress caused by the length of time it took for the caase to come to trial? To add insult to injury most of those delays he caused himself! I am totally convinced that the world has gone mad.

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It would never happen but the punishment should be left to the parents. I find them disgusting anyone who is aroused by little children is just plain sick.

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Willow if you are one of the very lucky people that haven't been affected by it, or no-one in your family has, whether it be cousins, Aunties, Brothers, Siters then I think you are the first person i have met.

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I wonder if some of you would be interested in this site:

http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?act=idx

Personally, I think the 'naming and shaming ' method is the wrong way. Either keep these characters locked up, transport them to an Island where there are no kids (i.e. South Georgia) or arrange castration, chemical or otherwise. For the authorities to let these people "back into the community" is plain daft, whether or not they are fromally "outed". You can be sure that should the former option occur the cops will have insufficient recources to keep an eye on 'em all the time & should it be the latter, and if the mob do succeed in identifing the right person to lynch then he'll probably only end up running as a fugitive in some place where he's not known, only to begin his dastardly deeds all over again.

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Precisely you may be unaware, when you scratch the surface of people you know, you may be surprised it's a taboo subject that people don't usually discuss over dinner.

The point i was getting at saying it affects most families is that it is often unreported to either Police, parents or others then these abusers are left to go on to their next victim because nobody knows about them

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This is such a contentious issue but the fact remains that most child sex abusers are somebody that the child knows and trusts. They are either family members, friends of the family, somebody who works at their school, nursery or youth club etc or neighbours. This is not a new problem but a problem that seems to be spiralling out of control due to media hype and the fact that this form of abuse is more likely to be reported these days when the actual figures are probably no higher now than they were 50 years ago.

Naming and shaming would probably not achieve very much. I do know someone who had allegations made against him in a local paper several years ago. He endured over 12 months of verbal and physical abuse from neighbours and members of the public before being found innocent. It was also found that the child in question had lied. I met this man during the course of my work, he has since moved out of the area because he said that even though the paper printed the full story and apology after his 12 month ordeal, he was still on the receiving end of threats, name-calling and general distrust, the child in question got off scott free. Now I know that this is not a one off case because it is currently happening to a colleagues brother, who has also just been found to be innocent of any wrong doing and the 14 year old girl making the allegations has finally admitted to fabricating her story based on a teenage crush. These 2 cases that I know of have ruined innocent peoples lives and have shown that you really are guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the media. Neither of these cases ever went to court but because these people were named by the media their lives have been made hell when neither of them had done anything wrong.
I like to think that I have the good sense not to believe anything that the newspapers print and try to keep in the back of my mind that they are there to sensationalise mundane stories in order to sell papers. As for Maxine Carr, the only thing she did wrong was to fall in love with an evil man. He not only got her to give him an alibi but managed to slip through the net of the police and education authorities. Even the sharpest tool in the box can be taken in by aimiable persuasive people with hidden agendas.

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i asked my friend in america if they named and shamed where he lived and heres his reply.

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Yep, they have to register as a sex offender. Anyone can go on the web and look them up. At least they can in Florida anyway.

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now if it works for them why should we not be able to look up their pictures and details as they have guns ontop of everything else and not many get shot ;)

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Apparently it doesn't work. The sicko's have gone underground. Children are still being abused. Megan's Law, as it is called was a vote winner for Clinton, it made people feel safer, but there has been no drop in reported abuse where it is enforced.

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We do have a register in this country too, but at the moment it is confidential (ish)

Let me give you an example of how somebody can inadvertantly end up on this register.

An 18 year old boy has sex with a 14 year old girl. She has told him that she is 17 and he has no reason to doubt that. She becomes pregnant and her parents find out, they subsequently complain to the police in retaliation as he is shirking his responsibilities. Although he thought that this was consensual sex it cannot be considered consensual when one party is under 16. He is subsequently charged with having sex with a minor. His name is entered on the register. His life is ruined, he turns 30, gets married and his wife gets pregnant. Social services become involved because he is a known sex offender, there are case conferences and meetings, he is not allowed to be left alone with his own child.

This example is not far fetched, I have seen very similar happen. I'm not saying that genuine offenders should not be named, but people must realise that not everybody on that register is an actual offender. There are circumstances similar to the above where people have ended up on that register due to a mistake made when young. I will pose a question to all of our members here. How many of you had sex under the age of 16 or with someone under the age of 16 when you were teenagers? Do you think that you deserve to be on the register?

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Lettie- the voice of reason.
Well said.

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Good point Lettie it's certainly made me think !!

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vey good lottie. and what about the numptys in southhampton who burnt down a fellas house because he was a paedeotrician. and the though that meant somthing sinister

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well i dont know about you guys but i have come to the conclusion that the only good peodophile is a dead peodophile

they commit horrific acts and get more support than the victims

if i was on a jury in a case involving a father who got his hands on his childs attacker i would vote not guilty regardless of what evidence was presented and urge the rest of the jury to do the same

i know vigilantism is frowned upon but in the cases of convicted child abusers the law is inadiqate and ime all for the parents seeking retribution if only as a means to take out frustation and angish giving their childs attacker a good kicking would probably do them more good than sitting with a councilor and talking about it

all i can say is god have mercy on anyone who seeks to harm any of my children because i will show none and witnesses tend not to be as keen to come forward to support pedophiles

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OMG... Never heard of this one, although I'm not surprised...:rolleyes:

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i know its not funny but at least their hearts were in the right place :rolleyes:

dyslexic vigilantis it would seem


i probably didnt spell that correctly even though i have 2 friends who are dyslexic i doubt they would make that mistake lol

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Their hearts were in the right place? They kick the crap out of a children's doctor, and it's ok because the mob were too thick to read!

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they set out with good intentions ie: kick crap out of a pervert

like you said its unfortunate they were too thick to know the difference between a peodphile and a paedeotrician

hence the use of the :rolleyes: smiley when i posted what i did

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it's true that story. does anyone else remember the much publisised witch hunts in portsmouth and southampton a couple of years ago? vigilantism can give way to mob rule and we all end up knackered then.
i do agree with chav about the death penalty for convicted paedophiles though.

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i know there are cases where children have lied but ime refering the death penalty be implimented for the more horiffic cases like rape of a 1 year old or a 6 month old baby

they cant tell lies so these people who do these acts should be executed in my opinion

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hear, hear chav

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Yeah l remember Stan, it was after the NOTW published photos on its front page, after 2 weeks they had to stop.
Hope none of your kids grow up to be pedicurists! Well, it's close enough for a kicking.

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that's the one garinda. just a lesson to us all.

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Bit of a swing in the poll since this morning.

96.35 - Guilty.
3.7%- lnnocent.

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I don't really agree with the death penalty. First of all as stated above its an easy way out for the person who comitted the crime and is over too quickly. Secondly I just feel that as a punishment to someone who has killed someone is to then go and kill them, makes us no better than they are. I know people say eye for an eye and all but I can't see how killing someone for killing someone else is really a good thing to do.

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Would prevent prisons from filling up for a start.

The main problem is that there is no real deterrent for crimes now. Prison is not a deterrent - some inmates probably prefer being in there than outside - they get fed and pretty much everything else they need or want, and they don't have to pay for it.

If some sort of capital punishment was introduced, I bet you would see a reduction in crime. How many people would risk losing various parts of their anatomy if they were to get caught?

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Why was I replying to this old thread?
How did i even end up reading it?
I think more than one person in my house has lost some brain cells :D

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NO i don,t think they should be named and shamed! they should never be released to be in that position. end of story.

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shoot the fekin lot of them along with the stanley monkey!

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i think that the convicted persons should be named and shamed but maybe,they should be put in a computer bank for any worried people to go and have a look at as and when needed.
i dont like the idea of names and pictures plastered on every billboard think of the victims,,trying to get on with there life

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I would want to know if one was moved into a house near me. I have a young child & two young grand children. They need to be protected.

A few years ago my daughter was morris dancing in a sports hall in Bolton along with about 300 other girls. A man and his girlfriend (not connected to dancing) tried to take a 4 year old to the shop luckily she was wise enough to tell an adult & not go. When the pair were challenged by one of the Dads the man brought the police in saying he had been threatened! The Police tried to arrest the Dad for threatening behaviour but thought better of it when 50 odd Mums told them they had threatened him also & if they arrested 1 they had to arrest all. The Police answer was to allow the man & his girlfriend to leave and lock 350+ people in the sports hall until it was time to go home. My daughter who was 7 at the time refused to morris dance ever again as she didn't want people seeing her knickers!

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course these animals should be named and shamed, they have ruined lives. like with holly n jessica, it has ruined they familys lives forever. And the worst thing about stories like this hw long do they get put away for it??? cuple of years or less. the law is far to soft by sentencing. These type of people make me sick. they shud b left to rot for all i care. same as murderers.

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If these people are allowed back into the community then I think we have a right to know who they are, I certainly wouldn't want to be living close by, I have a 3 year old daughter and her safety is paramount to me.

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very well said, but being the mother of three young children i would want to know if there was a paedophile living in my area. Even if they had got it wrong and he was compleley innocent i would still want to know that there was a potential risk there.

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Child abusers going underground? What a good idea. Put them all underground - in a coffin.

Ah garinda! But Ronnie Biggs & Co robbed a Royal Mail Train and a crime against the monarchy is severely punished. If he and his gang had robbed a bank of several million they would have only got about ten, maybe twelve years. Commit a crime against the monarchy and they throw the book at you. Commit a crime against the aristocracy and they take a couple of pages out first. Commit a crime against the elite and a few more pages get torn out. Commit a crime against the general public and they can’t find the book.

The law as many people have said many times – is an absolute ass. The government thinks that just because it passes a law we will all jump on the shovel. A law is only as strong as the desire and ability to enforce it and dish out suitable punishment.

For my money any paedophile convicted of an abuse against a minor should be locked up and the key thrown away. Harsh maybe and once in a while it might just catch out an innocent person but in today’s scientific age with DNA evidence the case is cut and dried.

If paedophiles KNEW that they would end up in prison for their rest of their natural lives it would surely deter most of them.

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I severely doubt that. People of sound minds might be put off by the threat of their life in jail, but people of sound mines don't become paedophiles do they?

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Capital punishment is not an answer to anything. Recently in Canada a man convicted in a 1969 sex slaying was released after serving 23 years for a crime he did not commit. Another, Guy Paul Morin, serving time for the rape and murder of a six year old girl was released after about six years, again the circumstantial evidence on which he was convicted was undermined by new evidence proving his innocence. One of the problems this causes is that the real perps are still walking the streets.

In Kingston, because of historical circumstances not relevant to this discussion, we have seven major prisons, including 3 maximum security institutions. This means that sex offenders are often released into our community. Kingston Police regularly release photos and bios of released sex offenders. The info also appears on the KPD website. Some offenders are held on Govenor General's warrant ... they will get out only in a box. Offenders who are due for parole, and are a high risk for repeating can voluntarily undergo chemical castration. The system seems to work well enough.

However, crimes still occurr, and I do agree with those who see the main problem not in the deviants, but in the authority figures who take advantage of children: parents, teachers, priests, even a superior court judge in British Columbia. But what the answer is, apart from increased parental vigilance, (and of course this is meaningless where the parents are the offenders) I don't know. But I somehow think that revenge is not the best way for society to dealy with the problem, however appropriate it may be for the idividual.

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As a PS: According to our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in the first section in fact, the rights of the individual (even the convicted sex offender) are guaranteed. But there is provision for exceptions if the common good outwieghs the rights of the individual. On this issue the Supreme Court (an independent judicial body unlike the political Supreme Court in the US) must rule on every instance, though its decisions can be applied to similar cases. In other words, the rights of a sex offender can be overridden if the Court considers that the rights of the general community are more important.

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it should be like megans law in america, but it will never happen over ere.

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I've absloutely no issues with convicted sex offender's names/photographs being made available to the public, my only worry is that it may lead to a false sense of security, because these scum do have cars etc., and therefore there is no such thing as a 'safe' area.

Much better, without freaking children out too much, and limiting their freedoms and chance to enjoy exploring their environment, is to teach them about the dangers some people pose.

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Did anyone see the news clip about a place in America, where released child sex offenders were tagged and could not live within an area of 400 yards of where children where, this meant they could only sleep under a freeway bridge, they are suprvised by probation workers who do nightly checks on them etc?

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So 405 yards away would be a safe place for a child to live/play?

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At least they knew where to perverts were.

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And this helps how?
They were not allowed to commit the sex offences in the first place so I can't see how not being allowed to be near children will stop them.