Britains crocodile tears about Chinese execution - Page 4

andrewb · 30-12-2009, 20:30

If our country is against the death penalty, then why do we extradite to the USA which has the penalty?

It just stinks of hypocrisy. We send our citizens to America to face their legal system and penalties, under the excuse that the crime was committed on their computers and therefore their territory in the case of the computer hacker. Then when it suits we demand that the Chinese don't use their penal system, and hand him back, despite being caught with large quantities of illegal drugs on Chinese soil. Which is it gonna be?

Wynonie Harris · 30-12-2009, 20:39

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Originally Posted by andrewb

If our country is against the death penalty, then why do we extradite to the USA which has the penalty?

Because when the yanks say "Jump", Gordon says "How high?"

Margaret Pilkington · 30-12-2009, 20:43

'and how long do you want me to stay up there?'

steeljack · 30-12-2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by andrewb

If our country is against the death penalty, then why do we extradite to the USA which has the penalty?

It just stinks of hypocrisy. We send our citizens to America to face their legal system and penalties, under the excuse that the crime was committed on their computers and therefore their territory in the case of the computer hacker. Then when it suits we demand that the Chinese don't use their penal system, and hand him back, despite being caught with large quantities of illegal drugs on Chinese soil. Which is it gonna be?

The UK does not allow the extradition its citizens or anyone elses to the US if they are facing charges which carry the Death Penalty , the UK requires a guarantee from the State doing the trial (each State has its own legal system) . Think there is a trial going on now in Massachusetts involving a Brit on trial for killing his wife and child , he fled to the UK but was sent back when Massachusetts promised not to execute him, also I think Massachusetts being one of those commie liberal pinko States doesn't even have the Death Penalty.
This is the arguement being used by the one eyed hook handed terrorist you have in jail , he is facing Federal charges which I think if found guilty could involve the DP . Personally I think the US could be persuded to quietly ease up on the computer hacker if the UK speeded things up with the one eyed hook handed guy .

Eric · 30-12-2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by steeljack

The UK does not allow the extradition its citizens or anyone elses to the US if they are facing charges which carry the Death Penalty , the UK requires a guarantee from the State doing the trial (each State has its own legal system) . Think there is a trial going on now in Massachusetts involving a Brit on trial for killing his wife and child , he fled to the UK but was sent back when Massachusetts promised not to execute him, also I think Massachusetts being one of those commie liberal pinko States doesn't even have the Death Penalty.
This is the arguement being used by the one eyed hook handed terrorist you have in jail , he is facing Federal charges which I think if found guilty could involve the DP . Personally I think the US could be persuded to quietly ease up on the computer hacker if the UK speeded things up with the one eyed hook handed guy .

Personally I think the US could be persuaded to quietly ease up on the computer hacker if someone in the UK grew a pair and told them to go take a flying you-know-what at a rolling donut

garinda · 30-12-2009, 23:24

Abu Hamza is due to be extradited to the U.S. as soon as he's served his seven year sentence in a British jail. His extradition was only agreed if he wouldn't be facing a death sentence.

The most difficult part for him will be trying to get through all the new increased security checks at the airport, because of 25/12, and the exploding underpants.

cashman · 30-12-2009, 23:32

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Originally Posted by garinda

Abu Hamza is due to be extradited to the U.S. as soon as he's served his seven year sentence in a British jail. His extradition was only agreed if he wouldn't be facing a death sentence.

The most difficult part for him will be trying to get through all the new increased security checks at the airport, because of 25/12, and the exploding underpants.

so wheres the sense in us keeping him in a british nick, that being the case?

why not get him off our hands now?

garinda · 30-12-2009, 23:55

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so wheres the sense in us keeping him in a british nick, that being the case?

why not get him off our hands now?

The TaxPayers' Alliance estimates father-of-eight Hamza has so far cost Britain £2.75million in welfare payments, council housing, NHS and prison bills, trials and legal appeals.

garinda · 30-12-2009, 23:58

...and that's not mentioning that he shouldn't really have been allowed to be resident here in the first place, as his first wife, from whom he claimed the right to stay, wasn't divorced from her first husband when she married Captain Hook, thus voiding his claim to live here.

cashman · 30-12-2009, 23:58

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The TaxPayers' Alliance estimates father-of-eight Hamza has so far cost Britain £2.75million in welfare payments, council housing, NHS and prison bills, trials and legal appeals.

ah that explains it, there gonna round it up to a cool 3 million.

steeljack · 30-12-2009, 23:59

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Originally Posted by garinda

Abu Hamza is due to be extradited to the U.S. as soon as he's served his seven year sentence in a British jail. His extradition was only agreed if he wouldn't be facing a death sentence.

The most difficult part for him will be trying to get through all the new increased security checks at the airport, because of 25/12, and the exploding underpants.

Seems he should be a plane fairly soon (time off for good behaviour etc. ) Think the super-max federal jail in Colorado has room waiting for him , its on the 4th level (below ground level) 24 hr solitary , lights on 24/7 , be intersting to see if the US Govt. will issue entry visas to his family for British Govt. social security paid for visits .

garinda · 31-12-2009, 00:00

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ah that explains it, there gonna round it up to a cool 3 million.

On 28 May 2009, three of his sons were jailed at Southwark Crown Court for a two-year fraud involving stolen cars. Hamza Kamel, aged 22 and Mohamed Mostafa, aged 27 ran the operation with Abu Hamza's stepson Mohssin Ghailam, aged 28. Four other men were jailed on related charges.

An industrious family.

They'll probably name a wing after them at Belmarsh.

cashman · 31-12-2009, 00:03

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Seems he should be a plane fairly soon (time off for good behaviour etc. ) Think the super-max federal jail in Colorado has room waiting for him , its on the 4th level (below ground level) 24 hr solitary , lights on 24/7 , be intersting to see if the US Govt. will issue entry visas to his family for British Govt. social security paid for visits .

heard Calipatria in yer neck o the woods is pretty tasty fer prisoners.

garinda · 31-12-2009, 00:05

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its on the 4th level (below ground level)

That's inhuman.

He won't be able to pick up a television signal on his hook, unless there's cable.

steeljack · 31-12-2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by garinda

The TaxPayers' Alliance estimates father-of-eight Hamza has so far cost Britain £2.75million in welfare payments, council housing, NHS and prison bills, trials and legal appeals.

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Originally Posted by garinda

...and that's not mentioning that he shouldn't really have been allowed to be resident here in the first place, as his first wife, from whom he claimed the right to stay, wasn't divorced from her first husband when she married Captain Hook, thus voiding his claim to live here.

kind of makes the HBC Labour Councillors complaints about the cost of calenders seem a bit petty ,