Detention without charge poll - Page 3

Gayle · 14-07-2008, 20:22

I will vote - if you can explain to me WHY so many innocent people are being detained.

Your figure of 50% indicates that 50% of people are innocent when in fact, that is not necessarily true, they are released but does that actually mean they are innocent?

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:23

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Originally Posted by andrewb

No, I don't want to lock innocent people up and destroy their lives for no increased safety.

Ok, what about if Myra Hindley was still alive?

She'd served her lawful sentence, would you and Dickie Davis be pleading for her freedom?

Or is some freedom different from other freedoms?

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:26

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Originally Posted by andrewb

No, I don't want to lock innocent people up and destroy their lives for no increased safety.

Vote support,
if even one innocent life might be saved from terrorist murderers.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

You complain when I call you patronising, but you prove yourself worthy of that word time and time again. People are not as stupid as you think - they do actually undrstand that a "terrorist suspect" is just that, without any prompting from you.

Why did a huge amount of people change their mind once we had a public debate in the last month?

lancsdave · 14-07-2008, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Tend to agree with Jammybutty. The question has not been impartially presented and confirms my suspicion that Cyfr tries to get people to agree with him by asking loaded questions - he's obviously got a great career in politics ahead of him!

I would think he would make a better defence lawyer for terrorists. He's gullible enough to fight their corner and beleive everything they tell him.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:41

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Originally Posted by garinda

Vote support,
if even one innocent life might be saved from terrorist murderers.

Which it wont so please stop the childish propaganda gary!

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:42

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Originally Posted by garinda

Ok, what about if Myra Hindley was still alive?

She'd served her lawful sentence, would you and Dickie Davis be pleading for her freedom?

Or is some freedom different from other freedoms?

Absolute rubbish Gary. This is why I got ****ed off in the original thread. You know very well theres a difference between innocent people and guilty people. Stop being so silly.

accyman · 14-07-2008, 20:43

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

I would think he would make a better defence lawyer for terrorists. He's gullible enough to fight their corner and beleive everything they tell him.

if a fanatical tory thinks its a bad idea to investigate fully any individual suspected of been a terrorist should i be assuming that tories dont want terrorists caught ?

i bet you any amount of money if cameron suggested 1 year detention without charge he would be right behind the idea

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:43

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Which it wont so please stop the childish propaganda gary!

That's soooooooooo rich, coming from you.

Loz · 14-07-2008, 20:44

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Which it wont so please stop the childish propaganda gary!

Tell that to the victims and families of the victims of 7/7 and 9/11.
If it prevented things like this happening then im all for it.

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:46

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Absolute rubbish Gary. This is why I got ****ed off in the original thread. You know very well theres a difference between innocent people and guilty people. Stop being so silly.

Not silly.

A fair question.

In law she had more than served the sentence for the crimes she committed.

Would you be campaiging for her release, because her freedom was important?

garinda · 14-07-2008, 20:47

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Originally Posted by andrewb

This is why I got ****ed off in the original thread.

I do so pity people without stamina.

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Loz

Tell that to the victims and families of the victims of 7/7 and 9/11.
If it prevented things like this happening then im all for it.

I talked to Rachel North, 7/7 survivor. She said 42 days would not help because it was not needed. She said doing what we've done increasing the detention is doing the terrorists job for them. All they want to do is take our freedom and they're suceeding unfortunately.

accyman · 14-07-2008, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Loz

Tell that to the victims and families of the victims of 7/7 and 9/11.
If it prevented things like this happening then im all for it.

wasnt a girl from accrington killed on 7/7 ?

for a young tory who i assume is hoping to enter accrington polotics i do hope that it gets remembered that he is all for less been done to catch people who do things like this

andrewb · 14-07-2008, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Gayle

I will vote - if you can explain to me WHY so many innocent people are being detained.

Your figure of 50% indicates that 50% of people are innocent when in fact, that is not necessarily true, they are released but does that actually mean they are innocent?

Quite simply because the legislation allows anyone to be detained without any evidence at all. They can be detained for the whole period 'just incase' some eviendence were to come to light. I don't think its right to do this to innocent people, it should just be terrorists punished.

They're as innocent as anybody else who is arrested and then let go.