Full Council Meeting - 14th September - Page 7

JCB · 14-09-2010, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Neil

I disagree but I do agree that a minutes silence would be respectful.

Yes that would be appropriate also . Maybe John Griffiths was one who would say that life goes on , so carry on with the work .

What would be inappropriate would be to use the demise of Councillor John Griffiths for party political ends .

I am not saying that this is the case , and I hope it never will be .

Bernard Dawson · 14-09-2010, 17:19

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Originally Posted by JCB

Yes that would be appropriate also . Maybe John Griffiths was one who would say that life goes on , so carry on with the work .

What would be inappropriate would be to use the demise of Councillor John Griffiths for party political ends .

I am not saying that this is the case , and I hope it never will be .

We were happy for the Council Meeting to be cancelled tonight in respect of John. But we feel one could have been arranged in the next two or three weeks. But as we have seen its not going to held now until December. Yet a Cabinet meeting is still going ahead this Thursday.

garinda · 14-09-2010, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

...a Cabinet meeting is still going ahead this Thursday.

That, unlike the meeting that was scheduled for today, is the one the public can attend...but can't air their views at?

Sounds about right.

claytonender · 14-09-2010, 17:58

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Originally Posted by garinda

That, unlike the meeting that was scheduled for today, is the one the public can attend...but can't air their views at?

Sounds about right.

It is not only the public who can not air their views, it is entirely up to the chair of the meeting (our illustrious Leader of the Council) who apart from Cabinet Members can speak. If opposition councillors are allowed to speak only one can comment on any item (and then it is usually only if they are agreeing with the controlling group). When Graham Jones attempted to speak twice on an issue (about the planting of trees on the Coppice - on which he knew the answer to Peter's question) he was told (in no uncertain terms) that he had spoken once (so was not allowed to speak again)so Marlene Haworth would find out the answer. Graham said but I know the answer but Peter just adjourned the meeting for 10 minutes because of Graham's bad behaviour. I honestly think Peter thinks he can control the Cabinet meeting in the same fashion he controlled a class, when he was teacher.

If you want to see how democracy does not work in Hyndburn, please come on Thursday at 11 am to witness the farce, which is a meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council's Cabinet meeting.

garinda · 14-09-2010, 18:04

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Originally Posted by claytonender

It is not only the public who can not air their views, it is entirely up to the chair of the meeting (our illustrious Leader of the Council) who apart from Cabinet Members can speak. If opposition councillors are allowed to speak only one can comment on any item (and then it is usually only if they are agreeing with the controlling group). When Graham Jones attempted to speak twice on an issue (about the planting of trees on the Coppice - on which he knew the answer to Peter's question) he was told (in no uncertain terms) that he had spoken once (so was not allowed to speak again)so Marlene Haworth would find out the answer. Graham said but I know the answer but Peter just adjourned the meeting for 10 minutes because of Graham's bad behaviour. I honestly think Peter thinks he can control the Cabinet meeting in the same fashion he controlled a class, when he was teacher.

If you want to see how democracy does not work in Hyndburn, please come on Thursday at 11 am to witness the farce, which is a meeting of Hyndburn Borough Council's Cabinet meeting.

He has special needs.

Ooops.

Special needs teacher training.

jaysay · 14-09-2010, 18:16

Its just like a mirror image of the Labour Council under Brother George, when ALL decisions were made behind closed doors and full council was just a rubber stamping exercises

garinda · 14-09-2010, 18:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Its just like a mirror image of the Labour Council under Brother George, when ALL decisions were made behind closed doors and full council was just a rubber stamping exercises

So, two wrongs make a right, in your book?

We're living in the here, and now.

Ken Moss · 14-09-2010, 18:25

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Originally Posted by gynn

So it's not just Peter you are up against!

Because next week is not possible, the meeting is held over for 3 months. What about the week after next or the week after that?

The Mayor must be a very busy man!

Not strictly speaking.

The Mayor is actually doing a good job of trying to maintain a level of dignity within the council despite one particular councillor exerting undue pressure on him to conform to his way of vot...er, thinking.

Cancelling the full council as a mark of respect wasn't objectionable but the Leader's refusal to reschedule it during September when the fate of the Market Hall hangs in the balance and almost certain defeat loomed in the air smacks of what Miles would call 'jerrymandering'.

The Chief Executive is also doing a good job holding the tatters of Hyndburn Council together whilst being duty bound to execute the controlling group's wishes. Hyndburn would have long ago passed the point of collapse if it weren't for his influence.

We all know the real reason for cancelling the full council and that would be the likely demise of the Area Management calendars. Think of all those lovely lovely votes from people just panting for Britcliffe's face to burst through their door every Christmas.

Just like The Shining....

jaysay · 14-09-2010, 18:36

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Originally Posted by garinda

So, two wrongs make a right, in your book?

We're living in the here, and now.

And some times you lot are living in cloud cuckoo land

anyway thought you were at a meeting tonight

Ken Moss · 14-09-2010, 18:44

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Originally Posted by jaysay

And some times you lot are living in cloud cuckoo land

anyway thought you were at a meeting tonight

We would have been, John. Gladly and with massive bells on, only Brother Peter has used an extremely sad event for political gain.

I'm going to be tactful, but there's no easy way to break it to you what Cllrs Britcliffe and Haworth are doing:

THE MARKET HALL IS GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF THE HYNDBURN CONSERVATIVES

The olive branch was offered, we really really wanted to work with them and get it right, but no. They are playing with people's lives and killing off a 120 year old Hyndburn resident due to insatiable megalomania.

This goes way beyond silly party differences, the borough has a problem.

JCB · 14-09-2010, 18:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Its just like a mirror image of the Labour Council under Brother George, when ALL decisions were made behind closed doors and full council was just a rubber stamping exercises

For quite a while now I have doubted the need for party politics in local government .
I am pleased we have 4 Independents , and I hope they remain independent and increase in number .

It's true about the mirror image , which is a result of the party political system .

In its turn the mirror image is a mirror image of Westminster . Both Labour and Conservative Prime Ministers are more and more presidential.

I miss the likes of George Brown , Enoch Powell , Aneurin Bevan , and Michael Heseltine . I might not have agreed with them , but they stood out as their own men , and brought colour to politics .

garinda · 14-09-2010, 18:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay

And some times you lot are living in cloud cuckoo land

anyway thought you were at a meeting tonight

'You lot'?

'Uber-liberal Tory toy boys'?

JCB · 14-09-2010, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

We would have been, John. Gladly and with massive bells on, only Brother Peter has used an extremely sad event for political gain.

That is a serious thing to say in the circumstances .

What has Peter Britcliffe said and done to justify your words ?

I am in no way doubting your integrity , but for the sake of the Joe Publics like me would you flesh it out a bit ?
We have a right to be put in the picture .

Ken Moss · 14-09-2010, 18:59

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Originally Posted by JCB

We have a right to be put in the picture .

Read the thread, old boy.

Cancel tonight's meeting as a mark of respect, no one has a problem with that.

Refuse to rearrange a replacement until December, after the by-election and when the motions at tonight's meeting (most likely ending in defeat for the Conservatives) will be redundant?

Defend that.

JCB · 14-09-2010, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Read the thread, old boy.

Cancel tonight's meeting as a mark of respect, no one has a problem with that.

Refuse to rearrange a replacement until December, after the by-election and when the motions at tonight's meeting (most likely ending in defeat for the Conservatives) will be redundant?

Defend that.

I have no need to defend it . I was not criticising you , just seeking clarification .

If what I read in the thread is true , this is a sad day for Hyndburn .