If This Happened To A Non-Immigrant English Person..

[mani]

they cant recover anything as most likely half the stuff wasnt in his name. thats where the govt gets caught out and these criminals get away wtih it... its the whole having a fwe accounts in different names of ppl u trust who are legit

[Loz]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Thats why they're students loz, well some of them. and we don't shoot her down in flames, its just in a blaze

LOL
Having never been a student myself (college or uni) i have never understood the know it all attitude they give off constantly!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Loz

LOL
Having never been a student myself (college or uni) i have never understood the know it all attitude they give off constantly!

Niether have I los, but at 61 I'm big enough and ugly enough to say I don't know it all, and at my age I'm still learning. When I first started work there was one thing you never said to your elders and that was "I KNOW" because they'd never tell you anything again if you did

[derekgas]

I once got this response from an immigrant who was in the pub drinking his benefit money, and I asked why he claimed benefits and house etc when he worked, he said 'because I can, because your system allows it' enough said, and enough blaming the benefit cheats, it is the system that nees to change, if we could get away with it, how many would'nt?

[MikeSz]

Originally Posted by derekgas

I once got this response from an immigrant who was in the pub drinking his benefit money, and I asked why he claimed benefits and house etc when he worked, he said 'because I can, because your system allows it' enough said, and enough blaming the benefit cheats, it is the system that nees to change, if we could get away with it, how many would'nt?

I think some would say there are already too many people doing it - but this is a very hot topic indeed. Its the old welfareism vs going out and getting a job and there are already plenty of threads that relate to it on here. I heard someone say only this weekend that there is now a fourth class of people (as opposed to upper, middle and working) which is the welfare class - those who have no intention of going to work and will quite happily consume daytime TV all day. I dont however think that anyone is going to be able to solve that one anytime soon.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by MikeSz

I think some would say there are already too many people doing it - but this is a very hot topic indeed. Its the old welfareism vs going out and getting a job and there are already plenty of threads that relate to it on here. I heard someone say only this weekend that there is now a fourth class of people (as opposed to upper, middle and working) which is the welfare class - those who have no intention of going to work and will quite happily consume daytime TV all day. I dont however think that anyone is going to be able to solve that one anytime soon.

Think the real problem is MikeSz nobody has the political guts to solve this problem, same as the immigration one, Enoch Powell once took the bull by the horns and was DESTROYED politically for doing so. theres too many of the P.C. brigade nowadays, sad but true.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Think the real problem is MikeSz nobody has the political guts to solve this problem, same as the immigration one, Enoch Powell once took the bull by the horns and was DESTROYED politically for doing so. theres too many of the P.C. brigade nowadays, sad but true.

Cashy its not even sad its a disgrace

[motherhubbard]

I have been tols that anyone coming to work in England from the EU can claim child allowance even if the children are still living in the country where they came from. Have we gone mad.
We in my opinion would not get the same treatment abroad and are expected to adopt their lifestyle and culture. We seem to liedown, and roll over for every one to walk over.
I was working in London last week (which I do a lot) and the area I was in was totally restructured to a different lifestyle than English.
I have forms that have to be completed for Ethnicity every ethnic origin is on there, but not English.
I have got very worried over the last twelve months that we may be swallowed up and taken over before people realise what has happened.
Am I being paranoid???

[cashman]

yer not paranoid mother hubbard,yer correct, its a national disgrace,as jaysay puts it. n the blame cannot be put at the door of any party, they are all as bad,as history has proved.

[LancYorkYankee]

What a sad state of affairs. Rulings like this will just encourage even more piking off the system. We have many of these same problems like this over here but at least those caught suffer the consequences.

IMO, the US' reform of the welfare system during the Reagan years has done a great job at getting able body people back into the work force. It is my understanding that many of these people, though very reluctant at first, have become good workers. This has helped them to break a long cycle of families stuck in the American welfare trap.

It has also made them valued tax payers! Hence the government has even more money to waste of their pet projects or expensive call girls!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

What a sad state of affairs. Rulings like this will just encourage even more piking off the system. We have many of these same problems like this over here but at least those caught suffer the consequences.

IMO, the US' reform of the welfare system during the Reagan years has done a great job at getting able body people back into the work force. It is my understanding that many of these people, though very reluctant at first, have become good workers. This has helped them to break a long cycle of families stuck in the American welfare trap.

It has also made them valued tax payers! Hence the government has even more money to waste of their pet projects or expensive call girls!

well the yanks may not be perfect,but at least they did summat about it,more than i can say for our "Gutless" lot.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

IMO, the US' reform of the welfare system during the Reagan years has done a great job at getting able body people back into the work force. It is my understanding that many of these people, though very reluctant at first, have become good workers. This has helped them to break a long cycle of families stuck in the American welfare trap.

Brian, sorry to burst your Republican bubble but the US welfare reform act was introduced and passed during the 1st Clinton term in 1996, yep, the bad ole nasty Democrats did it

Welfare Reform Turns Ten: Evidence Shows Reduced Dependence, Poverty
by Christine Kim and Robert Rector
WebMemo #1183

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) replaced the failed social program Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant program, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). The reform legislation had three goals: 1) to reduce welfare dependence and increase employment; 2) to reduce child poverty; and 3) to reduce out-of-wedlock childbearing and strengthen marriage. In the ten years since its enactment, welfare reform has succeeded in each of these areas.