Jack Straw, Racist or Correct? - Page 2

Margaret Pilkington · 08-01-2011, 15:25

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret

They ARE easy meat,,,,,some girls dress like tarts ,and it gives out I AM EASY signals,,,

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I don't think that is quite true.
They dress to what they see as 'fashionable'.....and remember they are under pressure from their peers to 'conform'........and just because you wear high heels and a short skirt doesn't mean that you can be raped......and raped by men(plural....more than one) who see you as sub human.

These men are depicable....they have families, children, but yet they cannot empathise or share the feelings of humanity....they have to debase young white girls(often needing to get the girls off their heads on drink or drugs first) to get sexual gratification. Scum is too good a word for them.

It is not racist to tell the truth.......how would it be if the situation were reversed and it was white men 'grooming' young Asian girls?

garinda · 08-01-2011, 15:36

Fashions, and what people wear, are subjective.

The Bobby socksers of the 50's, long skirts and net underskirts, seem very demure by today's standards, but probably shocked the older generations then. Who'd be brought up to think a glimpse of an ankle, or a piano leg, was shocking.

Less · 08-01-2011, 16:11

Children of either sex and of any racial origin no matter what they wear, are just that, children, anyone of any race or religion that subjects any child to Abuse deserves to be treated with the maximum severity of the law.
Wherever this crime occurs.

walkinman221 · 08-01-2011, 16:33

I agree with less, and Jack Straw was telling it as he sees it or in this case how it was, it does not matter what ethnic background they are from if they are abusers they are scum.It just so happens that the majority of these groups seem to be of an asian background.If this problem of them seeing white girls as "easy" is deep rooted, it is up to community leaders and local leaders to put them straight from an early age, to stop this getting even more out of hand.

Margaret Pilkington · 08-01-2011, 16:43

I think many of the Asian leaders are in denial about this situation.

They see Jack Straw as being in the position of stereotyping males of Pakistani origin.

This would be an acceptable stance from the Asian leaders if we were hearing of gangs of white men behaving in the same way, but we aren't....and it has been happening for a good many years and the community leaders have preferred to ignore it

walkinman221 · 08-01-2011, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think many of the Asian leaders are in denial about this situation.

They see Jack Straw as being in the position of stereotyping males of Pakistani origin.

This would be an acceptable stance if we were hearing of gangs of white men behaving in the same way, but we aren't....and it has been happening for a good many years and the community leaders have preferred to ignore it

It makes it even more credible in a way, coming from Jack Straw because many of the voters who elected him in Blackburn were likely to be Asians

Less · 08-01-2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think many of the Asian leaders are in denial about this situation.

As perhaps are people, (Priests), of 'Christian', religions?

Girls & women are vulnerable this is proved when they turn up dead!

Perhaps it's time instead of demanding equality, (we know that doesn't work, you lasses are too clever),
That an escort home from friend or family should again become normal?

steeljack · 08-01-2011, 18:10

not making any excuses for the abuse , but has anyone done a study to find if there is a common factor amongst the girls who are being targeted .....how many come from "homes" with no proper family structure . The mention that Asian girls aren't being targeted could be that their parents/families don't allow them to get into situations where "bad" things could happen. ......... bit like the (US) TV ad.... "It's 10 o clock , do you know where your kids are"

Retlaw · 08-01-2011, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Neil

Sorry but that is bang out of order.

It does not matter what a girl is wearing no one has the right to touch her without her wanting to be touched.

Why are they advertising it then, and don't claim its fashion, girls can be fashionable without flaunting it.
Retlaw

garinda · 08-01-2011, 18:21

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Originally Posted by steeljack

not making any excuses for the abuse , but has anyone done a study to find if there is a common factor amongst the girls who are being targeted .....how many come from "homes" with no proper family structure . The mention that Asian girls aren't being targeted could be that their parents/families don't allow them to get into situations where "bad" things could happen. ......... bit like the (US) TV ad.... "It's 10 o clock , do you know where your kids are"

Some, though not all the victims, could be described as being vunerable, in that they are in care.

You're right about one thing though. It is no excuse.

garinda · 08-01-2011, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Why are they advertising it then, and don't claim its fashion, girls can be fashionable without flaunting it.
Retlaw

You're right.

The dirty little slags are asking for it, and deserve everything they get.

Girls should be modest, and cover themselves, if they don't want gang raping.

garinda · 08-01-2011, 19:08

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Originally Posted by garinda

Fashions, and what people wear, are subjective.

The Bobby socksers of the 50's, long skirts and net underskirts, seem very demure by today's standards, but probably shocked the older generations then. Who'd be brought up to think a glimpse of an ankle, or a piano leg, was shocking.

Fashion from 1945.

There were probably some, brought up under Victorian prudery, who labelled such young women as 'immoral'.

Sadder still, there were probably a minority, who on hearing such a girl had been attacked, would say someone exhibiting bare arms and legs was asking to be raped.

Sad really, when victims of child abuse have their home backgrounds questioned, and what they happened to be wearing, instead of what is much more important. That being the fact that these men see these children as being worthless human beings, deserving of vile gang rape.

Neil · 08-01-2011, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Why are they advertising it then, and don't claim its fashion, girls can be fashionable without flaunting it.
Retlaw

Always thought you were an intelligent man until I read that rubbish.
Why do you think they were advertising and what were they wearing when attacked?

DaveinGermany · 08-01-2011, 20:36

I think we may be getting a little sidetracked by the dress aspect here, the root of the problem is the fact that these girls have been enticed into a very dangerous & sinister situation that has been ongoing prior to Police intervention in Dec 2008. Since the inception of "Operation Retriever" it transpires the abusers are from a Pakistani background & that is a fact, no amount of mitigation can change that so there is no racial question to answer it is purely crime & punishment.

‘Operation Retriever’ busts Sex Gang for abusing vulnerable girls | Newsnet 14

Retlaw · 08-01-2011, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Neil

Always thought you were an intelligent man until I read that rubbish.
Why do you think they were advertising and what were they wearing when attacked?

Please yourself, why do you think they dress like that, to attract other girls, No to show their sex appeal, that they have more umph, than the others. I still say there is no need for them to be strutting around 1/2 naked, and not expecting a result.
None of my daugters were allowed out dressed like that, and they were banned from entering pubs & clubs.
Retlaw.