Madelaine McCann

[entwisi]

there are at least 3 sides to every tale, in this case, the police, McCanns and the truth....

I do seem to recall that they proved that the children had been regularly sedated though which doesn;t put teh parents in a great light, I do agree in the losing a child though, I couldn;t possibly appreciate what that must feel like

[Neil]

mmm interesting reading and I have only read a bit so far.

[accyman]

i cant for the life of me find the clip of an interview they did where they re appealed and held an interview on a tv morning show all teary eyed and glum for them only not to not realise the camera was still on them to switch instantly to smiles and laughter with the interviewer as the program delayed switching to a different host (the news i think it was)

i personally thought it very odd behavior for both parents to instantly go to smiles and laughter after just pouring their hearts out about their lost daughter on live tv reliving what has occurred.

never mind the Portuguese police a full enquirery should be held into them and even if they didn't murder their own child they hold a huge portion of responsibility for her death.

there was more outrage at them been arrested by the Portuguese in the papers than what there was about their neglect but as we know the press like to take a pop at johnny foreigner whenever they can.

not a conspiracy nutter i just think the parents or at least one of them killed her and through police errors and press interference they have got away with it

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by accyman

i personally thought it very odd behavior for both parents to instantly go to smiles and laughter after just pouring their hearts out about their lost daughter on live tv reliving what has occurred.

Shock and grief can/does make people act irrationally. Crying one minute and laughing the next.
The demeanor of Madelines mother has not altered in the four years which have passed....she still has the haunted look of a grieving mother......and one who beats herself everyday with the 'what ifs'.

Lindy Chamberlain was jailed for the murder of her daughter Azaria, it was later discovered that a Dingo had stolen this child.

While the cases are vastly different in the manner of disappearance of the two children, the vilification of the family, paticularly the mother in both cases presents similarities.

Kate Mc Cann courted the media. It was her belief that the media, and constant media attention would lead to her daughter being found.

If she could go back and change things then we would never ever have heard of her or her family...and I'm very, very sure, she wishes that this was possible.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Hints, do not constitute evidence though.
Had there been evidence then I am sure it would have been acted upon.
The Portugese Authorities would have loved to see the case with a satisfactory resolution.

An ex-friend of the McCanns did make a statement to the police -
The Gasper`s statement
extract -

“One night, when all the adults, that is, from those couples I have mentioned above, were all sitting around on a patio outside the house where we were all staying. We had been eating and drinking ‘Berbers’.
I was sitting between Gerry and Dave and I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but they seemed to be discussing a particular scenario. I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’.

“While he mentioned the word ‘this’, Dave was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple, with a circular movement around his clothes. This was done in a provocative way. There seemed to be an explicit insinuation about what he was saying and doing. I remember being shocked by that. I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions.


“I looked around as if saying: “Did someone else hear that, or was it just me?”. The conversations stopped for a moment, then we all began conversing again. Moreover, I remember Dave doing the same thing on another occasion. In saying this, I want to mention once again that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary scenario, although I’m not sure. He again stuck one of his fingers in and out of his mouth and with the other hand he once again drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual way. I think he was referring to the way she, that is, his daughter Lily, would behave or what she would do. I think he did this later during this same holiday, but I’m not sure."

[Margaret Pilkington]

I stand by my earlier post and say, that if there were concrete evidence then the portugese police would have used it to bring the case to resolution....something that they failed to do.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

....The demeanor of Madelines mother has not altered in the four years which have passed....she still has the haunted look of a grieving mother......and one who beats herself everyday with the 'what ifs'.

Which could be explained if it was a covered up accident due to the children being left alone.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

Which could be explained if it was a covered up accident due to the children being left alone.

That may have something to do with it. After all, if you believed that you were responsible for the loss of your child by something you failed to do...or for that matter, something you did that you should not have done, then of course you are going to punish yourself........and far more than any court in the land could ever do.

I can only speak from my own perspective here, but if I had been repsonsible for the accidental death of my child, I do not think I could carry that burden for four days, let alone 4 years, without admitting it.

[MargaretR]

I offer this a possible reason why the original investigation did not expose the truth and why the McCanns had the backing of Gordon Brown

'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?' | www.tpuc.org
extract -
While British Prime Minister Tony Blair is under criminal suspicion in the "honours-for-cash" scandal that has rocked his Labour government, we have been told that there is an even more explosive scandal that Blair, up to now, has managed to hide behind the draconian British policy of issuing "D-Notices," government orders that prohibit the British media from reporting on certain "national security" cases.
In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and paedophiles run by Britain's National Criminal Intelligence Service, code named Operation Ore, resulted in 7,250 suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone. Some 1850 people were criminally charged in the case and there were 1451 convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed "under caution" by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair's government.
However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).
Tony Blair: stifling investigations of paedophiles in his Labour government.

...and scroll down to read the list
'Assorted Party Political Perverts for your attention'



There is no end to the depth of 'the rabbit hole'.
The political corruption appears to be more than 'financial'
......and that is why he truth will continue to be supressed using 'D notices'

[Margaret Pilkington]

I feel that this thread is going to go round and round in ever decreasing circles, like the last one did. For that reason, I will post no further comments to the thread.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I feel that this thread is going to go round and round in ever decreasing circles, like the last one did. For that reason, I will post no further comments to the thread.

I agree - last comment by me too.

I have said too much - awaiting visit from 'men in black

[kestrelx]

Anyone remember the Belgium Paedophile case from several years back -
Marc Dutroux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
there was a Policeman involved in that which allowed two girls to be abducted and murdered etc - he deliberatly stopped a search of a house where the girls were hidden!

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I stand by my earlier post and say, that if there were concrete evidence then the portugese police would have used it to bring the case to resolution....something that they failed to do.

perhaps they could have got the job done if they weren't constantly been harrassed by the then british government to get the maccans home in an attempt to cash in on some good Google Page Ranking after the newspapers stirred up the public into thinking these parents were victims and not suspects in a murder enquirey?

[lindsay ormerod]

I can't help thinking that if the parents have done something terrible and Maddy is no longer alive then the last thing they would want to do is to keep re-focussing media attention on the case?? Wouldn't they want it all to just go quiet and hope that was the end of it?

[jaysay]

Well I think in every situation in life where this type of thing is involved there are two sides to every store and somewhere in the middle lies the truth