Mosque at Ground Zero

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

If I stomped over to Iraq or Afghanistan and started demanding things like bacon and eggs as a minority right then I would not expect a very warm welcome and quite rightly so.

No Ken they'd throw you in jail, then deport you, double quick

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

If I stomped over to Iraq or Afghanistan

We already have stomped over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Your beloved Tony made sure of that when he was trotting meekly along behind good ole George.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

Clearly, however, there are some on this site who would disagree, going by the comments here. Even from the moderators, for God's sake.

Something else about being English, we are allowed to have a sense of humour.

Please refrain from using God's name without respect.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

I work with Muslims. Each one of them was horrified by 9/11. None of them wear the burqa (full length garment with head covering) or niqab (full face veil).

All of them see themselves as British.

Clearly, however, there are some on this site who would disagree, going by the comments here. Even from the moderators, for God's sake.

Have you ever wondered if sometimes the way we treat others makes them behave in a particular way and that this is what causes the "problem"?

Didn't think so.

'Think tank finds evidence of moderate Muslims being radicalised and Jewish students intimidated.'

Read more: University urged to take action against Islamic extremists | Mail Online

Perhaps it's time the moderates became a little more vocal, and started condemning those who seek to destroy our democracy.

(Although this seems a typical Mail story, I read Quilliam's report in the Sunday Times, but you can't now link that paper's web site.)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps it's time the moderates became a little more vocal, and started condemning those who seek to destroy our democracy.

I think that's the problem, although the moderates seem to go through the motions of decrying extremism in Islam, its only lip service and actually stands for nothing

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

Have you ever wondered if sometimes the way we treat others makes them behave in a particular way and that this is what causes the "problem"

Just to add to one of your earlier points Hiddle, I've just read this, wondered how you feel about it ? I mean, how about the way they treat their own ? Makes you ponder doesn't it ?

UAE rules wife 'discipline' cannot leave marks - Middle East, World - The Independent

[garinda]

A man with close links to Islamic fundamentalism and the backing of prominent racists could this week be elected as the executive mayor of a council, with almost total control over its £1 billion budget.

PICS AND PUBLISH Tower Hamlets extremist vote poses Ed's first big election test - Telegraph

I think we'd be pretty stupid to ignore religious fundamentalists, who are openly sexist, homophobic, racist, and intolerant of other faiths. Especially ones who take advantage of our country's liberalism, and welfare state, but whose stated intention is to see Sharia law replace British laws.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

We already have stomped over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Your beloved Tony made sure of that when he was trotting meekly along behind good ole George.

You're assuming that I agree with everything that Tony Blair did. Bad move.

He was doing reasonably well until getting into bed with Dubya, after which the country seemed to lose faith in him....

I'm in the 'against' camp as far as the Iraq war is concerned and even the Russians couldn't control Afghanistan, which should have been a hint.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

You're assuming that I agree with everything that Tony Blair did. Bad move.

He was doing reasonably well until getting into bed with Dubya, after which the country seemed to lose faith in him....

I'm in the 'against' camp as far as the Iraq war is concerned and even the Russians couldn't control Afghanistan, which should have been a hint.

Stop agreeing with me, Ken...you're making me nervous!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Stop agreeing with me, Ken...you're making me nervous!

Your next task is to get Barrie to do the same

[Hiddlebit]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I think that's the problem, although the moderates seem to go through the motions of decrying extremism in Islam, its only lip service and actually stands for nothing

Of course you can provide evidence?

Didn't think so. Try talking to people from all walks of life. You'll learn a lot more than you will from the Daily Mail, Express, or for that matter Accyweb.

I cannot believe the level of ignorance I've seen in discussing race here, including from people who would lead us. You should hang your heads in shame. Instead, the racist clique has lost another member.

I know I won't be missed, but I can at least reciprocate with a clear conscience. I even know what one is.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

Of course you can provide evidence?

Didn't think so. Try talking to people from all walks of life. You'll learn a lot more than you will from the Daily Mail, Express, or for that matter Accyweb.

I cannot believe the level of ignorance I've seen in discussing race here, including from people who would lead us. You should hang your heads in shame. Instead, the racist clique has lost another member.

I know I won't be missed, but I can at least reciprocate with a clear conscience. I even know what one is.

So why don't you stay and argue your point of view?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

I cannot believe the level of ignorance I've seen in discussing race here, including from people who would lead us. You should hang your heads in shame. Instead, the racist clique has lost another member.

Talking of blind, ignorance, who besides yourself, has mentioned race?

Islam is a religion. Practiced like many other religions throughout the world, by people of many different races.

Before we all hang our heads in collective shame, we'll take a few moments to ponder your ignorant stupidity.

Before you foolishly try and play the racism card again, don't return to the playing table until you have a little more knowledge, regarding this subject.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So why don't you stay and argue your point of view?

They'll be too busy now, researching for information that might reveal the shocking fact that Islam isn't an actual race of people, to bother posing on here.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by garinda

to bother posing on here.

Was that a typo or deliberate? Hit the nail on the head, anyway!