Thatchers eighties are back - London Riots

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Agreed - whether you think they did depends on whether you consider all politicians altruistic

There are no altruistic politicians...they are in it to feather their own nest.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The site calls itself The Official Social Engineering Framework...but what does the 'official' bit mean...does it mean it is official in that it comes from government sources.

It doesn't read like it is from a government body.

'official' in this context is the same as the Fan clubs for 3rd rate celebs and other such beings.

After all I might want to be a member of Ken Dodds fan club, but I would far rather be a member of Ken Dodds 'official' fan club.

Originally Posted by garinda

'...even the government could'

Should we be reading 'could', as a sign that this indeed is actual fact, and not just supposition?

We should be reading could as, nothing after this point can be proved through any official channels and should therefore be ignored.

How come all these sites only predict evil intent from 'officialdom' & secret societies?

Surely there must be another body somewhere in the world that like a knight in shining armour, is prepared to do battle against such evildoers on our behalf?

I really hope so.


P.S. I don't reallythink Ken Dodd is a 3rd rate celeb, he's actually top notch.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Agreed - whether you think they did depends on whether you consider all politicians altruistic

When I think I tend not to generalise.

Hell, I'm so fair minded I wouldn't even label all conspiracy theorists as nutters, who wouldn't know an independent thought if it ran into their trailer park...and bit them on the ass.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am still not convinced Margaret...you can find stuff like this all over the internet if you are prepared to spend time looking.

The site calls itself The Official Social Engineering Framework...but what does the 'official' bit mean...does it mean it is official in that it comes from government sources.

It doesn't read like it is from a government body.

Margaret, I am not disrespecting/ridiculing your views or beliefs........I would not do that. It is just that I can't(at the moment) subscribe to them.

When considering the result of their social 'engineering' no government is likely to admit it, nor have advisors employed officially.

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

A section of a generation has been subjected to social engineering to make them the feral scum that they are.
The police have been purposely hidebound with regulation to render them ineffective.
It only needed a flashpoint excuse to provide those feral scum with the opportunity to go on the rampage.

Coincidence? - no - decades of planning to get to 'eruption' point

Purpose? - increase in population control by -
...martial law - the ideal outcome
...increased police powers - which looks very likely, and the best outcome in the circumstances.
Neither option is desirable, but there are no others.

I dont really understand how martial law controls population or increased police powers for that matterSo why go to the trouble of all this "social engineering"

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

I dont really understand how martial law controls population or increased police powers for that matterSo why go to the trouble of all this "social engineering"

This is a copy of one of my posts on another thread

"For those of you who are saying 'bring in the army', I would like you to realise that doing that is invoking an existing act of parliament

Civil Contingencies Act 2004

It sounds like a solution until you see the strings attached -

(b)provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);
(c)provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);
(d)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;
(e)require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;
(f)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, assemblies of specified kinds, at specified places or at specified times;
(g)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, travel at specified times;
(h)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, other specified activities;
(i)create an offence of—
(i)failing to comply with a provision of the regulations;
(ii)failing to comply with a direction or order given or made under the regulations;
(iii)obstructing a person in the performance of a function under or by virtue of the regulations;
(l)enable the Defence Council to authorise the deployment of Her Majesty’s armed forces;
(m)make provision (which may include conferring powers in relation to property) for facilitating any deployment of Her Majesty’s armed forces;
(n)confer jurisdiction on a court or tribunal (which may include a tribunal established by the regulations);



That sounds too much like Martial Law to me"

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

When considering the result of their social 'engineering' no government is likely to admit it, nor have advisors employed officially.

Then who leaked the details, that what's happening was all planned?

What's their name?

How did they access the information that there's a secret plan?

What evidence did they have to back-up their claim?

Questions, questions.

Yet very few factual answers...so far.

Happily I'm very patient, and will wait until I'm answered.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Less

Surely there must be another body somewhere in the world that like a knight in shining armour, is prepared to do battle against such evildoers on our behalf?

I really hope so.

Could the person below be this man?

I know I could never have his patience, I always want to know now.

Originally Posted by garinda

Questions, questions.

Yet very few factual answers...so far.

Happily I'm very patient, and will wait until I'm answered.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Harriet Harman says one of the causes of the riots was the Govt.s cut in student grants/allowances .......does anyone actually think that 99% of those involved have ever opened a book or can actually read

Hapless bloody Harriet public school girl number one, enough said

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

A prime example being dear Harriet, who last night tried to make political capital out of the fact that Nick Clegg and Boris Johnson had been booed on walkabouts and Ed Milliband hadn't.

Thats because nobody knew who he was

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am still not convinced Margaret...you can find stuff like this all over the internet if you are prepared to spend time looking.

The site calls itself The Official Social Engineering Framework...but what does the 'official' bit mean...does it mean it is official in that it comes from government sources.

It doesn't read like it is from a government body.

Margaret, I am not disrespecting/ridiculing your views or beliefs........I would not do that. It is just that I can't(at the moment) subscribe to them.

I've only one thing to say about social engineering, it doesn't bloody work, full stop

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by garinda

Then who leaked the details, that what's happening was all planned?

What's their name?

How did they access the information that there's a secret plan?

What evidence did they have to back-up their claim?

Questions, questions.

Yet very few factual answers...so far.

Happily I'm very patient, and will wait until I'm answered.

Population control is not a new topic.
All governments need to excercise it to some extent.
How governments do it varies according to the type of government.
As population figures spiral out of control, a need for greater control arises.

In 'democratic' societies methods have to be more subtle and take longer.

If you want to know 'who' - it is no longer a matter of 'follow the money', because money is a finite resource, and some have more than they could ever use, so seek other 'stimuli' - power.

The need for 'power over the masses' is the ultimate goal of a few.
Politicians are their puppets at the dirty end of the control, and politicians' reasons for complying are varied, wealth accumulation and self aggrandisement are but two.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

When considering the result of their social 'engineering' no government is likely to admit it, nor have advisors employed officially.

I didn't really think it was from government Margaret...it was my (unsuccessful) attempt at irony.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Population control is not a new topic.
All governments need to excercise it to some extent.
.

Seems to me population control (abortion, contraception etc. is only used/directed at the 'Christian' indigenous population of the UK and northern Europe don't think it applies to any other ethnic groups

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Seems to me population control (abortion, contraception etc. is only used/directed at the 'Christian' indigenous population of the UK and northern Europe don't think it applies to any other ethnic groups

I meant control literally as in 'directing conduct and activity'.
Curbing population growth (is different) by contraception is encouraged where social norms make it acceptable.