This isn't racist? - Page 4

Neil · 10-03-2011, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Again, thank you for that. It's just a shame that we are now associated with it in this way via this thread.

All publicity is good publicity and you have fully answered and explained the Centres view on the subject which I think has made it a useful discussion.

garinda · 10-03-2011, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Again, thank you for that. It's just a shame that we are now associated with it in this way via this thread.

That's certainly not down to me.

The Civic Arts Centre is promoting Hurried Steps. Which the poster says is 'presented by the Lancashire-wide Network for Ethnic Minority Women'.

A group that openly practices and promotes racism, because it excludes people from their events because of ethnicity.

That is wrong, and cannot be defended.

suedarbo · 10-03-2011, 15:51

If it's any help I knew straight away that Garinda meant the womens group and not the Civic centre. If I picked it up everyone will cos I'm gormless most of the time

Eric · 10-03-2011, 18:43

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Originally Posted by suedarbo

If it's any help I knew straight away that Garinda meant the womens group and not the Civic centre. If I picked it up everyone will cos I'm gormless most of the time

Gormless

That means you are from the top end, eh

suedarbo · 10-03-2011, 18:45

If above the canal bridge is top end then yes I am

Eric · 10-03-2011, 19:01

I think you folks are overly sensitive on the racism thing. Black, minority, and ethnic women face different problems than white women; and poor white women face problems not shared by middle class women. One can't lump all women together merely because they share the same gender, just as one can't lump together all white males, or all whites for that matter. However, I can see how such groups can be seen as divisive, and I do not believe that they should receive public funding as their rights are not at risk from government bias, or from any public institution. What they are at risk from is not government action, but from their own ethnic groups and, in the case of some muslim women, from their husbands and families.

As an aside,I am not anti French Canadian; however, I object to Federal Government money being given to the Bloc Quebecois, a political party dedicated to the break up of Canada and the formation of an independent Quebec state.

walkinman221 · 10-03-2011, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Eric

I think you folks are overly sensitive on the racism thing. Black, minority, and ethnic women face different problems than white women; and poor white women face problems not shared by middle class women. One can't lump all women together merely because they share the same gender, just as one can't lump together all white males, or all whites for that matter. However, I can see how such groups can be seen as divisive, and I do not believe that they should receive public funding as their rights are not at risk from government bias, or from any public institution. What they are at risk from is not government action, but from their own ethnic groups and, in the case of some muslim women, from their husbands and families.

As an aside,I am not anti French Canadian; however, I object to Federal Government money being given to the Bloc Quebecois, a political party dedicated to the break up of Canada and the formation of an independent Quebec state.

The problem over here is that the racism card only seems to work one way, thats what gets peoples backs up, positive discrimination seems to be loaded towards the minorities and if the majority speaks against it they are deemed racist? Go figure

suedarbo · 10-03-2011, 19:12

I don't mind them having groups specifically for black and ethnic minority women as long as I am allowed to do the same and have a group for a specific type of person. (ie: white women, say from abusive relationships for example) Unfortunately I'm not allowed. I am allowed a group for women from abusive relationships but I have to include all women and in some cases men, regardless of colour so I can't see how this group is allowed to exclude white people

garinda · 10-03-2011, 19:27

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Originally Posted by Eric

Black, minority, and ethnic women face different problems than white women...What they are at risk from is not government action, but from their own ethnic groups and, in the case of some muslim women, from their husbands and families.

If that is the case, keeping such women in groups that are openly separatist, along racial lines, will only add to, and further their isolation from society at large.

Positive discrimination never solves anything, in the long-term.

Most times it just masks real problems.

Yes, we all face different difficulties in life.

But ultimately we are all the same, at least in this country, and should always be treated as equals.

garinda · 10-03-2011, 19:29

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Originally Posted by suedarbo

I can't see how this group is allowed to exclude white people

As British law stands, which makes racial discrimination unlawful in this country, neither do I.

Tealeaf · 10-03-2011, 19:37

What would be the reaction if someone set up an English Native Aboriginal Womens Cultural group? I wonder what the BBC and the Guardian would make of it?

walkinman221 · 10-03-2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by garinda

If that is the case, keeping such women in groups that are openly separatist, along racial lines, will only add to, and further their isolation from society at large.

Positive discrimination never solves anything, in the long-term.

Most times it just masks real problems.

Yes, we all face different difficulties in life.

But ultimately we are all the same, at least in this country, and should always be treated as equals.

The problem is some are more equal than others

garinda · 10-03-2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

The problem is some are more equal than others

Sadly that appears to be the case.

This group, advertising events that only black, or ethnic minority women can attend, is no different from those boarding houses in the fifties, which had signs in their windows saying 'No blacks or Irish'.

Racism is wrong.

Regardless of who the target happens to be.

accyman · 10-03-2011, 19:53

wasnt there a pub on blackburn road converted into a muslim girls only school a few years back?

I think its gone now with the new houses but it used to be near the church traffic lights

to me that is also wrong because christian schools are not allowed to refuse muslims and there would be hell to pay if they did

walkinman221 · 10-03-2011, 19:57

Totally agree , but it seems to me that its hard for the powers that be to balance the racism scales so thats its equal and fair to all black,white ,yellow whatever.Its a delicate business the race thing but as i have said at the moment it seems to be loaded towards discrimination against the good old white anglo saxon male/female.