Watch where your taking photo's round here! - Page 11

jaysay · 19-03-2010, 14:54

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Originally Posted by garinda

I think democracy will be the loser, with local politicans being less accountable for their actions, because the fewer journalists we have won't have the time to devote to important issues.

You can't halt progress.

People now expect their news to be delivered almost immediately, and not wait for it to be printed, and posted through their letterbox.

Not everybody thinks it progress though Rindi

garinda · 19-03-2010, 15:01

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Not everybody thinks it progress though Rindi

It isn't going to change.

People expect everything delivered immediately, from groceries, to their news.

Neil · 19-03-2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by garinda

With the rise of people accessing the news on the internet, and falling circulations for printed newspapers

How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

katex · 19-03-2010, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Neil

How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

Not long Neil .. moves going on now ... don't think the Observer have too much to worry about though ... only gave us the basic stories, which good on 'em.

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Have been told the same thing, when trying to get photographs of the local Parkinson's support group in the paper. Happily they were published, when we sent them in.

Same with most events now .. as in our AmDrams ... send in a rehearsal photo, crit (by independent), and we will consider and publish if we have room. Not much different really to what they did in the past. Can see the sense of all this ... cuts costs and most people now have access to digital, e-mails and at least an opportunity to get names correct and a flattering photograph.

Let's face it .. we are a much richer society that can afford more social events ... hen/stag parties/anniversary parties/christening parties/graduation balls, etc., etc., etc. We are a spoilt society no matter how much you grumble.

steeljack · 19-03-2010, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Neil

How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

Murdoch is trying it with a couple of his US papers, but I think its too late now , the quality of most newspapers has dropped too much over the last few years that even if paid subscriptions become the future most of the 'laid-off' journalists who were any good have moved onto other things.
I don't believe any monies raised by subscription will be passed on to improving the quality of the product but will end up being used to either pay dividends or erase red ink .

garinda · 19-03-2010, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Neil

How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

Again, like Katex said, not long.

That's certainly the plan for many newagencies, and some have already started.

The only trouble is most people won't pay, and I think there'll always be someone willing to publish the news free on the internet, and fill the gap.

You'll miss out on columnists and editorial opinion, but it'll be easy for others to print basic news stories, at no cost to the reader.

Neil · 19-03-2010, 21:39

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Originally Posted by garinda

The only trouble is most people won't pay, and I think there'll always be someone willing to publish the news free on the internet, and fill the gap.

Should the BBC News web site was shut down as it destroys competition for news companies?

garinda · 19-03-2010, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Neil

Should the BBC News web site was shut down as it destroys competition for news companies?

That is highly unlikely to happen, being funded as it is, and subsidised by the licence fee. It doesn't have to compete in the market place, in the same way as wholly commercial companies.

We live in a free market economy, and the newagencies who want to protect their companies, may try and charge viewers who wish to read their news.

However, as stated earlier, I think the vast majority of people, who so far have not had to pay to do this, will use other sources, who will carry the news for free.

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Most newspapers, and many other printed periodicals, are suffering greatly reduced circulation figures. This has resulted in loss of revenue from advertisers, which makes up a great percentage of the income for the printed media industry, just as it does for commercial television, who are experiencing similarly heavy losses of revenue for advertising sales. Companies are diverting their budgets to other avenues, including online ones, which have ever increasing traffic.

Personally I love reading newspapers.

Sunday morning without them spread all over the floor, would not be the same without them.

I think they will continue for quite some time, but not in the numbers we once knew.

We live in rapidly changing times. Some of it good, some not so good.

There's really no way to halt progress, as the Luddites eventually found out to their cost.

shillelagh · 19-03-2010, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Neil

Should the BBC News web site was shut down as it destroys competition for news companies?

According to the bbc review the bbc website is being cut back ..

BBC News - At a glance: 'Leaked' BBC review

WEBSITE
The BBC's website will be halved by 2013 and have its staff and budget reduced by 25 per cent, if measures included in the alleged review are acted upon.
Links to rival companies' websites will become a feature of every page in an attempt to lessen the BBC's impact on commercial alternatives.
Torin Douglas writes: Critics say the BBC website has "grown like Topsy" without a clear overall strategy, damaging the online prospects of commercial broadcasters and publishers.
By cutting it back, the BBC hopes to focus more clearly on priority areas such as the BBC News site.

garinda · 19-03-2010, 23:24

'Profits at Trinity Mirror sank 41% last year as the severe economic downturn hit advertising revenues.'
BBC News - Trinity Mirror profits hit by advertising downturn

The Trinity Mirror group own the Accrington Observer.

Mancie · 19-03-2010, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Neil

How long do you think it will be until most if not all online newspapers will not be free?

all news is just heresay until it is proved.. newspapers are at least 8 hours ago news..the worry is that all the "news" we get from t'internet can be made up.. but then the press have been doing the same thing for years.

Neil · 20-03-2010, 06:59

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Originally Posted by garinda

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Most newspapers, and many other printed periodicals, are suffering greatly reduced circulation figures. This has resulted in loss of revenue from advertisers......

The reason some newspapers are struggling is because the economic down turn caused advertisers to reduce what they were spending on advertisements.

I would say almost all the profit in many newspapers is from advertisers.

This page talks about circulation figures.

garinda · 20-03-2010, 07:41

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Originally Posted by Neil

The reason some newspapers are struggling is because the economic down turn caused advertisers to reduce what they were spending on advertisements.

I would say almost all the profit in many newspapers is from advertisers.

This page talks about circulation figures.

Nationally the circulation of UK newpapers is downwards, as seen in the graph showing ten year sales.

Looking at longer term figures, from when sales peaked in the fifties and sixties, the decline in sales is even steeper.

UK daily newspaper circulation and recent Barb TV figures | RAAK

garinda · 20-03-2010, 08:01

'The latest newspaper circulation figures are in. While the Daily Mail continues its unstoppable march through middle England (with a small year-on-year rise in sales in December), the daily and Sunday editions of the Star are the only other national newspapers who are growing their audience.
Even the Sun, which threw a 20p cover price into the mix, was down 1.25% on December 2008, while the Mirror took a -9.01% smack in the chops.
The 'quality' dailies - the Times, Guardian, Telegraph and Financial Times - saw sales fall by 13.22%, 12.38%, 9.37% and 6.46% respectively. It's clear that Britons of all backgrounds just aren't buying as many newspapers.
Which means the old business model of highly sought-after advertising slots being sold at a premium is creaking.
People are consuming their news online, on TV and, increasingly, on handheld devices, but the mud in the eye isn't the news consumption, it's the ad consumption. Local papers have lost their classified advertisers to eBay and national newspapers are now competing with almost every digital device.'
Is the writing on the wall for newspapers? - Â*Markets - MSN Money UK

I'm not celebrating the fact that people are obviously buying less newspapers, but the evidence is fairly clear and factual, especially when circulation figures are viewed over a number of decades, rather than months.

Thirty years ago nearly everyone I knew in the area had the daily Lancashire Evening Telegraph delivered six nights a week. I only know one person who has it delivered today.

jaysay · 20-03-2010, 09:29

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Originally Posted by Mancie

all news is just heresay until it is proved.. newspapers are at least 8 hours ago news..the worry is that all the "news" we get from t'internet can be made up.. but then the press have been doing the same thing for years.

The only thing is Newspapers are governed by quite strict libel laws Mancie, the internet is not, yet