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blame margaret for this lol she's got me reminising again. i remember going to the jazz club on friday nights ( in peel park) the old stanley ground had some brilliant nights in that little hut,it was situated behind the new stand(the white elephant)made me wonder who actually owned it? think accrington council owned the ground? did they also own the jazz club? was some great jazz/folk/blues acts appeared in that little place, anyone any info/memories?:) also who remembers what year it closed? it was going after the sad demise of stanley.

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Its official title was "The Accrington Stanley Sportmen's Club". Don't know who owned it after Stanley folded, but it closed sometime in the early 70's. I had some great nights up there, fantastic atmosphere, they weren't too fussy about whether you looked 18 or not and some really enjoyable music. The Riverside Jazzmen banging out all that classic trad jazz and some memorable visiting acts...I once saw top American bluesman, Champion Jack Dupree who was living in Halifax at the time. Then, of course, you could take your girl for a walk in the moonlight amidst the decaying grandeur of the Huncoat End.

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can't remember the names of the artists was out of my tree most of the time but our paths must have crossed at some stage wyn? was it as late as early 70s? gordon bennet:D my memory aint what it was.lol

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I reckon it closed in 71/72. I seem to recall there was some sort of police raid and lots of anomalies were uncovered - non-members who shouldn't have been there, under-age drinkers etc - and that was the end of that. I can't recall many of the performers who were on...I must have been on the same stuff as you! There is a rumour that Paul Simon played there when he was touring the folk clubs in the early 60's. Perhaps someone can confirm thsi?

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i heard same rumour? martin carthy definatly played at the jazz club i remember that cos i was ejected that night.:D

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You weren't barracking him, were you, Mr.C? ;)

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I remember it well. My mate and I used to go there on a Friday night and, more often than not, would meet a couple of blokes to treat us to Saturday night at Burnley Mecca!

Little tinkers, weren't we?!

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You did'nt think you'd get away without me haveing my tupence worth did you lads. Well my brother Kevin confirms that he saw Paul Simon at the Jazz Club, it was just befor he wrote Homeward Bound on a railway station in Manchester, so his biography says. I saw Kenny Ball, Chris Barber, The Taveners 5, The Spinners, ( no not the ones from Detroit ) Champion Jack Dupree, ( we were pobably up there the same night Wyn ). Yes it certainly was a great place, Im pretty sure that Sonny Terry & Brownie McGee played there two, I wonder who booked all these artists, there must be someone still around, who has some information, They moved the stage around to, sometimes in the middle, then sometimes up the far end, Kevin & his wife worked behind the bar, for a while. Used to be a lot travel from Burnley to go there. Ill ask Kevin , see if he can remember who the manager or Steward was.

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Al, it'll be interesting to see what your brother has to say about it. Out of all the places I went to as a teenager, this holds the fondest memories for me. I learnt a lot about music (and a lot about drinking!) in that old shack.

Funny isn't it? The five of us who've contributed to this thread so far were probably there at the same time, although we didn't know each other. Little did we realise we'd be chatting to each other about it thirty-odd years down the line!

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Surreal isn't it?:)

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definately not wyn lol it was a dispute over a pint that finished up on me. lol in defence= my pint- he knocked it- thought it was funny when i asked him to relace it. big mistake.:D

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Junetta , your wrong .....it was a Saturday night when you and your mate used to go there , thats where we met the first time.
Saturday night was traditional jazz type music , Wednesday was Folk night , caught some good acts , Eddie and Finbar Fury, Roy Harper , quite few Irish folk bands played there and the rebel songs used to go down no problem ,this would be around 67/68 before the troubles started in Northern Ireland
It was also a good place to meet a "better" type of girl .
john

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Sorry, John, you are right, it was the traditional jazz night so it must have been Saturday not Friday. My memories are all of a muddle! I did think we met at the Blue Dahlia though.

Friday must have been 'The Bridge' night when I used to spray a silver streak in my hair, thinking I looked the business!! Sad sick puppy!

It was 67/68, Northern Ireland started the year after and I liked the 'better girl' comment!

You were always a good mate x

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[QUOTE=Wynonie harris

Funny isn't it? The five of us who've contributed to this thread so far were probably there at the same time, although we didn't know each other. Little did we realise we'd be chatting to each other about it thirty-odd years down the line![/QUOTE]
yeh its dead strange to me, i keep wondering if i know or would recognise anybody? i'm sure some of us must have knew at least by sight but thirty odd years later the sites have changed.:D mine has loll

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I suppose it all depended on which crowd you belonged to at the time. Having been a member here for over a year now and reading most of the posts, I realise that I went to all the same places as most of us 'older ones'........Accy Con, Blackburn and Burnley Meccas and the Jazz Club to name a few.

I went to St Andrews, then to Ossy Tech, the first year girls were admitted, but the only person I know on here is Steeljack.

A strange sort of world.

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hey i was at ossy tech the first year girls were admitted that was the year they amalgamated with rhydings but you wern't in my class junetta your only a youngster.:)

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I went to Rhyddings in 1962, the year they joined up with the Tech, first year was spent at Moor End, then one year at the main building and in 1964 my class was moved to the Tech. The first time girls had been taught there.

I have a lovely pic of us outside the main entrance, unfortunately it's in England.

Don't tell me you were the one who used to put paint on my hair during art class!

And.........we're wandering off the thread, we'll get in bother.

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Mine to Cash, Im as Bowd as Buddha now, nobody I used to know in Accy would recognise me now. Used to have my hair styled, sharp suits, the lot. I havent had a suit in 30 years. But the memories are still clear of the Jazz Club, I can stll smell it, smoke, beer, women, great music, hot pies, in the warmer and a great atmosphere, what more could you ask for, for a fiver and change left to buy fish & Chips on the way home.

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sorry bit of a digression from topic ..."hair styled, sharp suits, the lot." ..........I bet most lads got their first suits at Burtons on weekly a payment plan , think my first one cost about 7 pound , navy pin stripe , three button , center vent . dark blue silk lining in the jacket . must have been about 17 at the time . Following year had one handmade at a tailors shop on Blackburn rd. near the railway viaduct , hand stitching around the lapels etc. Think it cost around a tenner a lot of money for a 4 pound a week apprentice .....but as Alan Gilmartin said in previous post ......smart .......only chance I get to wear a suit these days is for funerals .............

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I remember going in the 60's with me mates, we used to sneak over the fence, because we were all underage. Having a couple of drinks and getting plastered and playing the slot machine. Oh happy days!

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You're thinking of Ernie McNoes, Steeljack. A real craftsman. Had a couple of beautiful mohair numbers made there in the late 60s. Al Gilmartin will testify to this gentleman's talents!

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Certainly do Wyn, he was a true craftsman, and a nice man as well, did'nt matter who you were, he treated everybody the same, do you remember the other Tailor's , John Colliers, ( John Collier, John Collier, The Window to watch ) Alexanders, Sometimes you can't help digressing because its all realitive, I was earning 3 pound ten a week then, I was working at Brockhall. Only one thing wrong with Ernie he had really bad breath.

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Had a couple of suits made by a little old tailor in a backstreet in Lima a few weeks ago. He reminded me a lot of Ernie - the same professionalism, attention to detail and quiet pride in a job well-done. The suits were the business, too - a dark blue with a faint pinstripe and a light grey number for summer wear. Increasing girth means I can't carry off the "bumfreezer" jacket styles anymore. These were double-breasted jobs. Cost the equivalent of £100 each - you'd pay at least five times more for suits of that quality in the UK.

Sorry for the thread wander, folks!

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One thing about the jazz club - I never remember there being any punch ups there - unlike the Con and most other dance halls in the area. Must not have been there on the night Cashman had his little bit of bother! ;)

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I agree with you about the punch ups Wyn, I think the people who went up there were a bit more cultured. Just on another note Wynonie, can you tell me anything about Dee Dee Warwick, ( Dionne's sister ) I read she made, Your no good, a year befor Betty Everett and Alfie befor Dionne??.

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thats cos your a bit younger than me wyn i was there one friday night when a guy glassed another guy,made a real mess of his forehead,the upshot was he got gaoled for it, hes still knocking about today.this would probably be 63/64 ish could be a bit dodgy then.:cool:

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He'd probably just get community service for it these days! By the time I got there, it had all calmed down and perhaps as Al says, the clientele had changed a bit (ie none of the fiercesome rockers who used to prowl the dancefloor of the Con!).

Al, have emailed you with a bit of info on Dee Dee Warwick.

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Can't remember going up on a Friday night Cash what did they have on, music wise/.

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I used to go to both the Jazz and Folk club, I first went up there about 1967. I can remember seeing lots of famous folk artists there, in fact we still have several of the Taverners LP's, but can't play the records now because we don't have a record player.
The Jazz and Folk clubs were run by Ralph Smith - whose day job was in the office at Huncoat Power Station.
The resident folk group were Pendle Folk - whose signature tune was 'Old Pendle'.
I sometimes also went to the other folk clubs in Burnley and Blackburn, and often saw the same group 3 times in the same week.
The folk club moved to Bold Street Club in about 1969 or 1970, but the atmosphere wasn't as good.
I still love folk music and like to play the rebel songs.
I always tell people I spent my misspent youth in folk clubs.

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mainly jazz/blues if i remember corrctly al.but that was 63/65 ish.

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seem to remember that one of the songs which allways recieved a good reception and still pulls at the heartstrings was "Dirty Old Town"
..............heard recently Rod (the Mod)Stewarts version ....crap

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The Lakeland Lounge! Forgotten all about that, Willow. Folk night on Wednesdays, rock night on Sundays. Don't recall Harewood Magna, but I remember a boy/girl duo. The girl was Sheila Holt who I went to primary school with and the lad was Dylan Jones whose dad taught me chemistry at AGS.

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Me too The Lakeland Lounge, I think Champion Jack played there as well, Wyn, the spinners used to sing Dirty Old Town as well, and the other what was the title?, Working on the Railway ( Philamehoorihay something like that) By the way anybody know Pete Watson.

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Anybody remember what brand of beers were on tap, Bet Cashman does .

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Not Dylan Owen?

He was/is also a folk singer, and his Dad Winky/Blinky Owen also taught at Accy Grammar School.

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That's the feller! Why did I say Jones? Cheers, Gary.

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Dylan's Mum Nell died recently, she was a wonderful woman, a Christian and socialist and also a teacher like her late husband. Dylan sang at her funeral and is still going strong.

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Sorry to hear that. Winky was a kindly sort of bloke (unlike some others at AGS!). He was "enthusiastic and enjoyed his subject", according to Professor Bill Clegg, one of the UK's leading experts in Crystallography. And he was too, but, sadly, not much of his enthusiasm rubbed off on me (which was my fault, not his).

Sorry for the thread wander (again!).

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I worked emptying Ossy bins with him in the summer of '72 (I had just done my 'O' levels at the time, so it was a student job); three years later, I was in Amsterdam, on a very wet August evening, sheltering from the elements in a shop which sold items of an adult nature, when in he walked, also taking shelter from the vicious downpour. It turned out he was working in a folk club round the corner, as artist in residence...yep, many of glasses of frothy Amstel were supped in the following week or so.

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I don't remember Harewod Magna either. I know we probably didn't appreciate it at the time but some of the top folk ad jazz musicians of the 60's game to Accrington.
I also remember going to see Ewan MaColl at Ossy Town Hall - I think that was in about 1971.

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I knew some of this lot as well. Me and "Yerself" were in the same year as them at school. One of 'em managed to kill himself falling off a roof and the rest disbanded, although by the early '80's one of the others was in a boy/girl band, which I think, had a top selling single. I won't give any real names away.

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I remember the jazz club with many fond memories.does anyone remember Tom Robinson and a guy called Rufus?They formed a blues group for a while. A french sounding name, something like Le Faulves.Diz Dizly was another great turn.

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tom robinson was he a tall guy with black hair? if so remember vagly.

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very tall guy with blonde hair.Used to hang out in the dahlia at times.

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Wasn't Tom Robinson in a band called the Francis T. Construction? Kev "Florrie" Florentine was the drummer, too, if I remember rightly.

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It's been great reading of all your great memories. Does anyone believe there is room in Accringtons nightlife for a good quality Jazz & Blues night? I have the venue and ive been thinking of a Jazz / Blues night for a while. Maybe fortnightly on a Wednesday night. Any comments ?

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Yeah, go for it....although friday/saturday would be better.

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splendid idea, but agree with T, fri/sat/ even sun,would be much better recieved i think.

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Came across these reminiscences about the Jazz club on a jazz-related site which I thought might be of interest to some of you who frequented the old place.

Accrington Jazz Club

Dear Fred,

It's been a while since I contributed, but a recent item on the news page jogged my memory cells (more of that later). This must be of interest to you as a native Accringtonian.

As a teenager in the late 60s, I lived in Blackburn and was made aware that there was a club in Accrington where we daring 17 year olds could safely go to be served alcohol with no questions asked. This turned out to be Accrington Jazz Club, which operated on Saturday and Sunday evenings at the old Accrington Stanley Club at Peel Park.

The resident band on Saturday was usually the Silver Bell Jazz Band, which then was a full 7-piece and included John Rothwell on drums and sometimes bass. I was later to play regularly with John in Southport in the early 80s. The only other members I remember clearly were Keith Moore on clarinet and the late Frank Caunce on trombone. This was my first introduction to New Orleans jazz as opposed to the traddy stuff we were all exposed to on the radio at that time, good as a lot of it was. However, the live music I first heard at Peel Park was a revelation from which I never looked back.

Apart from the music, the club had a great atmosphere of its own. The crowd was a young adult rather than a teenage one, and time may have coloured my judgement, but all the girls were beautiful! The guy who ran the club must have been at least 40, and smoked a huge curved pipe. He used to jive with 2 girls at a time with the pipe in his mouth and I wondered what his secret was. I started smoking a pipe as well but it did not work for me!

The admission cost half a crown, and Duttons Trophy retailed at 1s-9d a pint. At the interval they served pie and peas for a shilling.

On Sunday evenings there was usually a guest band from further afield. However, our A-Level studies, as well as limited finances generally prevented our going there on Sunday as well. I recall two Sunday sessions when I saw Alan Elsdon, and a band from Manchester which included Derek Galloway on trombone.

The one session I truly regret missing was announced as follows:- "Next Sunday, we are presenting a blues pianist and singer from Halifax, called Champion Jack Dupree." We all said, "Never heard of him" and decided to give him a miss. What we did not know was that while he lived in Halifax, he was in fact from New Orleans and was one of the original barrelhouse/boogie style pianists. A year later, when at college I became caught up in the electric blues wave which was current at the time, and heard Champion Jack's sessions with Peter Green's (original) Fleetwood Mac, I realised what I had missed.

Finally, a band from Liverpool appeared once, called the Savoy Jazz Band, and the trombone player was Bart Poole. Twenty years years later, I joined the Mathew St Ragtime Jazz Band of which Bart was (and still is) a member. We reminisced about Accrington Jazz Club, and the main thing Bart remembered were the pies! We both agreed they were in a class of their own. Only one other pie came close. On leaving school, (and Blackburn) I studied at St Martins College in Lancaster, and used to frequent a pub which served an excellent pint of Guinness and a superb pie to go with it. This pub was the Fox and Goose which I see on the News Page is likely to become a jazz venue. So it seems that what goes around comes around in all sorts of ways, and my advice to Les Bull is --make sure they still serve the pies!!

Phil Yates. Yarrow River Jazz Band.
07/12/04


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I used to play at the Accrington Jazz Club at the Accrington Stanley Football Social Club with The Zenith Six. I cannot remember anything about the music but the Steak & Kidney Pudding with Mushy peas were something else. They were homemade by a lady who always saved 6 portions for the band. I think the lady who made the puddings should have been given an OBE.

Mart Rodger
08/12/04


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I feel its high time a mention is made of the Rainy City Jazzband and particularly regards Accrington Jazz Club, R.C.J.B. played there many times in the 60s the line up Bruce Bakewell reeds; myself trumpet; Pete Haslam or Tom Peder trom; Ian McCann banjo; Dave Parr bass and Barry Wilkinson drums. Even though I say it myself this was a "Hot " band. This venue had a terrific atmosphere the crowd fantastic even as I write it conjures up vivid memories. I seem to recall the chap who ran it was named Wilf and at the end of some sessions he invited us back for supper which was a new fangled dish called Currie (new in the 60s anyway) The R.C.J.B. played all over the Northwest and beyond throughout the 60s does anyone out there have memories to share? Also does anyone know the whereabouts of Barry Wilkinson and Pete Haslam? I think Pete is in the West of England .

Harold Roberts

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so lots of early greats at the jazz club
actually saw jack dupree and was told at the
time he had been a boxer hence the name Champion
talking of the boxer also saw paul simon
i seem to recall the riverside jazzmen from accy at the time

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Yep, I saw Champion Jack too. He was brilliant. The reason he was living in Halifax, was because he had married a lady from that town. In his earlier profession he contested 107 bouts in the lightweight division but after a title defeat in 1939/40, he decided to concentrate on pounding the ivories.

Don't remember these bands that they're on about, but I do remember the Riverside Jazzmen. Was never really into trad jazz, but it was great music for getting ratarsed to. "I scream, you scream, everybody loves ice cream..." Happy days! :D

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I also have great memories of Saturday nights at the Jazz Club. Didn't David Lloyd's wife used to work behind the bar.

I remember seeing Kenny Ball and Acker Bilk and didn't Jon Anderson play in a band there for a time?

I lived in Darwen at the time and often used to end up walking home!

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jon anderson was in the warriors saw them many times, but can,t remember now if at the Jazz club, was usually Rat-Arsed in those days, or summat else.;)

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can remember em playing Mary Mags, but where else i cannot think.:)

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Pretty sure they didnt play the Jazz Club. The Arcs, yes and the Con.

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tend to agree with Al, wouldn,t put money on it though.;)

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seem to remember seeing them play at the 'big' pub at the Clayton end of Dill Hall rd. .the Greyhound ?

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yep thats the one. sam smiths house always a crap pint in those days,same as Big Crown in accy.;)

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Yep Paul Simon played there before he became famous. I played guitar with a local group called the Dalesiders and we were on the same bill. We used to play some Irish Rebel songs which was before the troubles.

Frank Cottier
Canada

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interesting ya cant remember the year frank? can ya?

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I reckon it was 1965, because that's the year that Paul wrote "Homeward Bound" on Widnes railway station, while he was touring the folk clubs of the North-West, but that's an educated guess, I'm sure Frank will be able to give us the real answer!

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With regards to the Warriors, I remember when they first started before Jon and Tony Anderson the original line was singer Tony Alveston, Lead Guitar John Hill, Rytham Guitar, Ian Alveston, Bass Guitar Dave Foster, and Drummer Derek Thornhill. They practiced at the old Springhill Car Clud place not far from Holy Family (Mt. Carmel) they played local working mens clubs, but had to get special permision to play as thy were all still at school, I would say round about 61 or 62

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dave foster is still making records
was the lead guitarist not rod hill ?

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Think you've got that wrong beechy, Fossy was the bass guitar when the group was first formed and the lead was not Rod Hill it was a lad called John Hill he live in a little shop on Higher Antley Street, Rod Hill was always a Lead Guitar, he used to live on Hornby Street Ossy he might still be there, I know he used to give lessons as well. The reason Im so sur on these facts was that I was at all thei practice sessions and all their gigs in the early years. Tony and Ian Alveston were my mates, I went right through school with Tony rom St. Mary' Ossy when we were 5 year old until we left Holy Family at sixteen, in this time we were in the same class apart from 3 months at Holy Family

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The Warriors' line-up was Jon and Tony Anderson on vocals, Mick Brereton on lead guitar, Rod Hill on rhythm guitar, Dave Foster on bass and Ian Wallace on drums.




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That was the line up when they went full time pro, but when they first started the line up I put in an earlier post was ho they started because there was a falling out between Tony and Ians Father and Fossy and Derek Thornhill's Fathers and thats when Rod Hill came in and Jon and Tony. Tony and Ian and John Hill then formed a group called Tony and the Tea Leaves, there first gig was at Spring Hill dance hall one saturday night and the week after at the ambulance drill hall on Bull Bridge

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when they went pro, recorded "You Came Along" on Decca,didn,t do much cos it was crap,mate has the single.:)

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A new member named Tony Alveston has joined today --I wonder if it is he.

PS he isn't on the member list but I swear blind I saw him on 'who is on line'

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Your spot on Magrgaret I've just had a look at people who have visited in he last 24 hours and Tony's name this there

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Well then why the mystery, Will the real Tony Alveston stand up.

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just watched a TV program and it featured one of the sons of either Eddie or Finbar Fury (an Irish folk act from the 60s) and it got me wondering if there is a list/record/diary anywhere of the acts that performed at the jazz club over the years , only folks who I could imagine having one is the owners/managers ...or a local booking agent .........are any of these folks still around or do any users of Accy web know who these folks are , and are able to ask them if they have any paperwork rat-holed away somewhere .
I'm trying to remember if they (the jazz club management) ran any weekly ads in the Observer and if old back copies are available for viewing , just an idea , it would be nice to know who had and when they appeared, just for owd sentimental reasons
thanks

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Thats a fantastic idea Steely, Like I said on another thread, there must be hundreds of folks out there who have there own stories to share from the 60s, just like us.

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wow - a coming of age it was at the jazz club! first introduced to cherry vodka (vishieuska or something) by stew hartley. riverside jazzband (fred and his brother melvyn), impressing the girls from the catholic grammar in ossy with a packet of disque bleu which used to last a month. once walking back home stopped by cops who asked (ever been in trouble before?"..."before what?" I asked cheekily which didn;t go down too well. still had the disque bleu fags when saw wayne fontana.mindbenders at con club-fab!

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Her is a momento,

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That is a blast from the past Alan, haven't seen them for yonks, remember smoking them on holiday abroad

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Alan G I use to smoke Disque Bleu, brought loads back from various caving holidays in France. I also saw Paul Simon at the Wednesday night Folk Club I can't quite remember the name of the LP he was selling, but it was just before he teamed up with Garfunkel(not sure if I've spelt that right?) Any one remember the Oldham Tinkers?

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See messages #63 to #65.

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Cheers Flashman, Paul Simon also asked if we'd mind if he did a few songs with one of his mates, I'd like to think it was Garfunkel but maybe that's just wishful thinking. Anyone out there remember who the other guy was? This was also around the time Accrington Caving Club was going, they use to meet in the Black Abby, most of the local cavers and climbers generally turned up at the Folk Club on Wednesday night. On our coach trips up into the Dales the we use to sing Irish Rebel songs until the troubles, that and rude rugby songs.

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Had my first (underage )pint there!!

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Never ealised there was anyboby over age up yon in them days:D

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long time after earlier posts, but i remember the accy jazz club with great affection. where else could you go aged 17 and get served a vodka vybrova (?) cherry vodka which my great friend stewart hartley turned me onto. music from the trad lads - melvyn and his bro on drums and chance of a snog after!
I'd love to know where my love of that time patricia of rishton is now.

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probably a Granny (or these days being a Rishtoner even a great Granny) with varicose veins using a Bus pass to go collect her pension ....... nowt stays the same , it's gone , past history .. no looking back ;) :D

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probably correct, but still great to reminisce, i met one i hadn't seen fer oer 40 yrs about 12 months or so ago, had a great time laughing n remembering.:) was good to hear how she had got on ect.

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:eek::eek::eek: phew I hope Mozzy don't read this post, sure he said only beautiful people live in Grand Duchy of Rishton:D:D

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Stewart Hartley, now thats a chap I ain't seen for many a long year, although he still lives in Ossy, I think:rolleyes:

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I was also at Accy Jazz club that night. I remember it being packed.
Such memories.

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After reading Steeljacks old post maybe he got sick of all us old farts reminiscing,

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Well it is the nostalgia forum and long may it continue!

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hear hear

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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I just miss Steeljacks contributions.

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I was just wondering, when did the Jazz Club start? Does anybody know?

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Round about 1960 Wyn, I started going around 62 soon after leaving school, and heard about it when I worked near the ground

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That's sbout right, John. I started going in the early sixties as well... we may have crossed paths!

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Right, cheers for that. 1960...that figures...when trad jazz was all the rage and Acker Bilk, Kenny Ball etc were topping the charts!

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Ya they both appeared at the club Wyn

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We must have crossed paths Sue, it was such a small place really,:) I used to knock about with lots of lads and lasses who went to the Girls High School and lads from Accy Grammar